 hello hello what's up everybody how's everybody doing sorry my my voice is completely shot actually I just got back from PAX East but we're here we're here with tips we're here with Stay Saved we're here with our friend Quissy she is our guest for today hopefully hopefully my you guys aren't too put off by my my voice being all jacked up but we're glad to be here with you guys there's been a lot of exciting news over the course the last month one you guys are echoing by the way I'm not sure who but yeah so there's been a lot of exciting news over the course the last month last few weeks we we've talked about it a little bit in the last episode we wanted to do an episode last week but I got sick and then Stay Saved got sick and then I went to PAX and it was a whole thing and actually Quissy was there as well I got to see Quissy as PAX so that was a lot of fun that was really cool so for those of you guys who don't know who Quissy is Quissy is a very long-time wild player she's been playing since just about the beginning since since launch time also a Paladin Paladin and actually you know what Quissy why don't you tell everybody your story your your kind of how you guys started playing well yeah sure first of all thanks for having me on I started well my first MMO was Ragnarok online I don't know if you guys have ever heard of that it was a Korean MMO and it was based on Norse mythology and yeah I was really young when I started playing that but I somehow got into a really good guild I probably because I just played it non-stop and yeah the we got to a really good guild the guild became like the top guild on the server we had this alliance going with the other guilds so we were pretty dominant and then around 2004 when wow was starting to come out my guild master was super interested in it and she well I think it was a girl I don't know it was a she apparently she convinced us all to port over to wow so like 90% of the guild ported from Ragnarok online to World of Warcraft and we were on the Archimonde server which was a PvP server not our PvP but um yeah I the first character that I made was a Paladin I leveled as Prott to level 60 because I had no idea what I was doing and I remember how long it took me probably probably like a month and a half maybe and then that's not a bad I mean consider like back then I played a lot so I get to 60 I'm like super excited I'm like all right molten core I'm gonna raid and everything and then find out that prop palis aren't wanted so I I made I rolled a class that could definitely not get denied in a raid which was a dwarf priest because of fearward obviously so yeah I mean I I was ugly as sin but you know sometimes you gotta you gotta bite the bullet and yeah so I got into a raid group and we cleared molten core we cleared BWL on Ixia ZG and by the time a queue came out we broke up so that's kind of where I stopped raiding in vanilla um yeah and then after a little bit of time I rolled horde played an undead priest and yeah the rest is history I guess you know it's kind of crazy to me is is the fact that like you guys were able to get like a whole guild together pretty much and to swap games like that whatever wow came out yeah because I know one of her whenever I was playing Dayock like everybody was I mean people were just kind of like doing their own thing and I remember people were talking about wow potentially coming in and killing day I can I was one of the people that said probably wasn't gonna happen but here we are right so now I think it's a I think it's just really cool to see that like how how somebody was able to go through and like you know what hey we're gonna pick up the whole guild and go I was like okay let's do it so it works out yeah it's kind of like a chain reaction because like the guild leader was super excited about it and I remember I was hesitant at first and then I think like as people slowly started going over it's kind of like come the game is amazing yeah yeah I mean even in 2004 people couldn't resist the fresh right yeah well even like you look at the you look at the sub chart right where it's the subs are on me the subs were always good if you think about like the launch like that they had a good amount of subs but it wasn't like this colossal game until like I guess burning crusade and throughout vanilla just you could see that the thing just was even burning crusade was going up like that but and then before it before it leveled off in in wrath so I don't know just bringing people in from other games and from other communities and wow really opened the doors for people who were outside of MMORPGs like a lot of people who played Starcraft and Warcraft to get into MMOs that's like a lot of people their their introduction to wow was through like Warcraft 3 or Warcraft 2 or something like that so yeah I think on top that a lot of people like their introduction just to online games in general was World of Warcraft vanilla wow a lot of like a lot of like fond memories that people have with that game is being there like their first online experience so so guys like I said there has been a lot of news there's been a lot of news over the course last few weeks and a lot of it's been really good but real quick one thing that it's kind of like flown on the radar I guess there hasn't been too much talk about it recently is a post from Ian Hazakosis and let me go ahead and pull this up right quick see does this work it does okay so there's a post here from Ian Hazakosis is it showing up good it's showing up yeah excellent great production value yeah production value there it is so so somebody tweeted at Ian Hazakosis Ian huge fan please please make a classic wow RP PVP server at launch at least in one NA region please there will be interest I promise he promises very good okay I trust him look at surveys if there isn't a few on the first server can be merged later please so what Ian Hazakosis says is to be clear with that being said no to be clear we have no philosophical opposition to setting up a classic RP PVP server then I have a philosophical opposition to it but our priority is making sure servers have long-term healthy populations so we'll start with lean realm lists and expand as needed just as the 2004 launch did yeah so so here's the thing with like the no philosophical opposition to setting up classic RPP for RP PVP servers these servers these server types RP PVP were added in patch 1.8 so they were there in vanilla wow at some point actually technically for the majority of vanilla wow's lifespan so it's weird that they chose to exclude them I think with the initial announcement it's kind of mind-boggling to me that they wouldn't at least have a couple of them I really don't understand why yeah I think it's I think it's kind of weird as well I mean you're already starting with 1.12 right so I think it's kind of weird to not just come out and have it on launch as it is right so one of the things that he says that really catches my eye right catch my ear we'll start with lean realm list and expand as needed just as 2004 launch did this is something that to me is actually a big concern it's something that you know people who've been a part of the private server community definitely have seen and you know even stays if you reference it a little bit earlier is people can't resist fresh right so if they're gonna go and this did happen in retail vanilla but it was a totally different environment and maybe maybe people are gonna be different on a larger scale as opposed to just in the private server scene but if people go for six months a year whatever right a year a Q patch hits you know I'm assuming right I think that's reasonable you know after a year or so the a Q patch hits you've got the the the war effort going on this is happening everything's everything's you know hustling and bustling and then they start releasing fresh servers because the game population may happen like the population of people playing the game overall might be going up so then they are making new servers if they make those fresh servers are those fresh servers gonna come in and kill off servers that already exist I don't know I I think that those friends let's say they add new servers for classic wow I think those servers will have less appeal than like a fresh private server because fresh private servers start with the bare minimum so molten cornix yeah and then it's progressive content releases what private servers do where they if they add like the good point if they add new servers like let's say at the time the acues out like DW well zg aq will be out with when there's others new servers it's a really good point there will be less of a draw the other thing is dude I actually looked into how many servers were there at launch like day one vanilla wow only North America only North America by the way but there was like around 75 servers at launch North America that's a lot of servers yeah yeah okay 84 there you go that's a lot of servers and so we have to ask ourselves this question are there going to be more people playing day one classic wow then there were people playing day one vanilla wow I think I think probably right don't you think so I have five times as much yeah good whatever it is like either more servers or higher population caps it's gonna be crazy yeah absolutely and like the troubling thing about that tweet for me and it was I guess it kind of just shows their overall philosophy for the launch and it's kind of counter I mean it's kind of the opposite of what JLM Brak said back at the classic announcement he specifically said back in BlizzCon 2017 he said we're trying to recreate the authentic vanilla experience not the authentic launch experience which is interesting to see Ian said that they're trying to kind of replicate how they release servers and how they launched back in 2004 so I'm not sure if there's a paradigm shift there or whatever it may be definitely when it comes to classics launch I think we can all agree that launch is gonna be the biggest stage of classic ever oh yeah maybe at some point it grows goes up down whatever but but the launch is gonna be the biggest phase so you need to have the maximum capacity at launch and if you end up with a situation where you launch with like 80 servers it either means one of two things either a you're going to have to shard extensively to be able to handle the population like a ridiculous amount or B you're gonna have insanely long queue times and I don't think anybody wants that either so I'm not sure what their line of thinking is I really don't know but but yeah I would expect or I would hope that they launch more servers than then you know they would need down the line well I think one thing one thing that they're very one thing that they're right on is talking about how they want to they want to make their priority to make their priority is to make sure that the servers have long-term healthy populations I think that that's I think they're right for that I think that's a big concern right kind of like you said what if what if they start servers come out everybody's playing on launch you have the big hype and then it starts to it starts to taper off a little bit which a lot of people have talked about I think a lot of people think that's a reasonable expectation so if that ends up being the case then their thought process is to try and counteract that with long-term healthy populations like they don't want to make too many servers and then all of a sudden like okay now every server is dead and then they have to merge so that that's just another thing that's come up right that's just another thing that there's to another obstacle they have to overcome go ahead say let me ask let me ask you guys this like let's say you just have a random server that hits population cap on launch day or the first couple launch days but there's no like pre-existing community going into that server be it like a couple good guilds that collectively decide to play on the server there's no streamer community it's just a it's just a like a server full of like random players that are just in classical right six months down the road what percent of those initial player population there they capped out by the way on day one how many of those people are still playing like what what die-off rate do you think is going to happen I think it's so hard to say it's so hard to say right because like I don't know I don't know what metric you could look at to even try and predict that number right because you could just throw you could throw something out there right it'd be hard but as far as making like a truly like calculated like proper estimation like I don't know that that's something that's like really hard to talk about the closest thing we have I think is the nostalgia post-mortem I think it was something like 800,000 accounts were created or something like that and only 150,000 were active by you know by the end of the shutdown or something like that so that's around a 20 percent retention rate and let's assume that of those 800,000 let's say 400,000 of those are double accounts so let's say it's 150,000 out of 400,000 actual people that's still like a 40 percent or 38 percent retention rate or something like that yeah and even then oh go ahead I figured on well so it's it's a pretty significant drop-off a lot of people are going to quit I mean even and this is this is private server people this is people that play vanilla a lot of them played it for many years beforehand so it's a little bit skewed towards being over-representative so uh yeah you could totally see 30 percent of people staying 25 percent of people staying after the first six months which is pretty big drop-off but even like even with that there's like a lot of different variables that aren't taking an account so like because it's private server I mean people talk about this all the time whenever something easy come easy go right if you can just like make an account not have to pay for anything make up some fake email information boom you're in just as easy as that guy came in it's just as easy for that guy to quit and stop playing so I think it is very different like it's it's like yeah that's probably the closest thing that we have but yeah the fact that it's included in the battle in your wow subscription too a lot of people are probably going to try it out just because it's included they don't have to pay extra so that's going to skew the numbers too I think absolutely tips I think you're right about that being the closest but another thing to keep in mind like you're totally right one of the biggest reasons I hear people say like why they stopped playing private servers or why they got burned down it's because they felt like whatever progress they're making it didn't matter like they were worried that at any point you know their progress could be gone the server goes down etc etc and so I think I think that just one one there's a $15 a month or dollar value attached to you playing on classic wow on top of that you have an assurance that your content that your progress will be saved and it won't just be deleted or the server goes down at some point right so I think I think that like those two factors will lead to a higher retention rate than we see on private servers probably I would speculate yeah that's true I think yeah I think I think all that's fair um but yeah it's just it's just very interesting to kind of look at all this stuff and we've talked about this before right like the classic team and everything they're doing to make their decisions like it's it's easy for us to like sit here and talk about it right but then whenever you actually get down to the nitty-gritty and like look at the pros and cons of everything and how if you make this one decision here how this affects everything else on that end it's it's really really interesting and and you can really see how uh why there probably hasn't been a whole lot of news until recently you know um speaking of news that we've gotten recently we want to kind of highlight some of the stuff that we've been talking about or that we've been hearing about excuse me um like I said we wanted to do a classic ass last week but I was really sick and then Stay Safe was really sick um one of the first things that I think a lot of people were very excited about was hearing about an answer for loot trading and uh it was really a compromise right given how the the Blizzard does their customer support given how Blizzard basically handles all their stuff now with with wow they don't really have a big robust GM team to go handle all the tickets and all the issues uh there's like a lot of stuff that's automated they thought that if they you know just had loot trading in the game and they wouldn't have to worry about like mislooting and this and that then you know if they didn't have to worry about it on their end that the players handle it then that'd be all good but the problem is and we've talked about this extensively players are going to take advantage of that there's going to be some players that are that are going to go in take advantage of that and essentially do like a group ninja looting situation not to go too far into that and they go deep too deep into that but for example if you were to go into a group and with a small group of friends let's say three people and you're with two other random people then you could roll need on everything all of you could roll need on everything for one person and trade to them and uh I feel like I feel like we've talked about the example so much that I really shouldn't go so much into it but um they their answer to that was basically going with the Converise which um very similar to what we had said I had said in a master looting situation in a raid environment uh they what they ended up deciding on is that if you are in a raid environment and it's linked to raid lockouts specifically to raid lockouts this was said by kyvax and and kyvax confirmed it because ubrs came into question if it's linked to a raid lockout meaning a nixia mountain core uh zg b w l a q 40 a q 20 naks then in that instance you will have loot trading enabled so whether you're doing group loot or master loot or whatever it's going to have loot trading enabled in my personal opinion you know what if they shouldn't have loot trading at all if you screw up you screw up boom just let it go um but I think this is a very good compromise and in 99% of the situations you're going to be master looting in a raid anyway the only thing the only like subset of people that this really affects negatively I would say is people who are like plugging raids um maybe there's there's a room for a little bit of like exploitive behavior there but overall I think it's a really good compromise and much better than what we were getting initially what do you guys think no absolutely um yeah like you said I think the only negative interaction would be if you are a pug in a guild raid and you're joining another guild for a raid and let's say an item drops um and they want to roll on it or whatever loot rules that are for that raid uh there's a chance that somebody could roll on it they could put on a different piece of gear they could roll on it and uh they could take that item then trade it to their other guild member um in order to screw over the pug but that's like that's a pretty rare scenario like relatively speaking that's a pretty rare scenario and I'd say about like 95 plus not I'd say like 99 plus of the abuse with loot trading is pretty much been neutralized but I think more than just just the feature itself it's just the fact that they listened the fact that they listened and made this change and this is a change that's this is going to result in money out of their pocket like they are going to have to go through more tickets as a result of this most likely um so the fact that they did this they took the financial hit to doing it I mean that was like the big takeaway for me personally yeah I I think I think it was a reasonable compromise you know I was sort of more like black and white you know all or nothing you know like I I didn't want it in any regard but I think having it in raid is pretty reasonable I think it's probably what's best for like the longevity and general health of classic wow now the question is like let's say you're in a pug raid and I think I'm echoing let's say you're in a pug raid and um you know there were some people conspiring to steal all loot right like the what is the player response like you would you okay if someone needs something you ask them to equip it if they don't equip it then you know blacklisted you know go and trade chat tell their guildmaster yo this guy did this like spam and trade chat you know he's a ninja leader or these guys are working together like so that's that's like the player response to that which has always been the player response to ninja lures in classic west that's what people will have to do about that and uh yeah no absolutely well I was gonna say real quick like just to follow up on that one thing that I would say as a point of advice and stay safe kind of hit on it is equipping the piece of gear because if you equip gear in whenever loot trading is going on if you equip gear then it's bound to you and they can't trade it anymore so if they get the item equip the gear and then it's like okay good it's there it's they can't trade it uh somebody else I saw I saw this on the forums actually on the reddit somebody brought up the scenario okay let's say let's say I'm a hunter and I go in with my other hunter buddy okay and I've got full tier one I've got full tier two I got full whatever and then my hunter buddy doesn't have anything and we both roll on everything and then I trade him everything that I get and then I just equip my own gear whenever the gear drops it's kind of a crazy scenario but the one thing that you would have to watch out for in that situation is look at the guy's enchants right because anybody is in that situation has has good gear like that you're probably going to have your stuff enchanted and and that's just something that I would say to watch for I mean if they put something on and it's enchanted unless they enchanted it there on the spot which is probably not likely I mean you can right I mean like if you're in a higher end rating guild you probably show up to raid with enchant consumes and you can or enchant materials and you can enchant your stuff but that's probably not going to happen on a pug raid so if they put on their dragon stalker chess piece and it doesn't have or it has like plus four stats on it right away whenever you told them to uh whenever whenever you told them to equip it then they're probably lying you know that's just something to watch out for well yeah I mean let's let's say like wissy's a loot ninja she comes my raid with her hunter friend and like she's playing a warrior and she's gonna like you know after like after one or two pieces of gear she acquires like she she wins the role like I'm gonna be like okay I'm gonna look at your gear I'm gonna see what you're wearing and like I'm gonna like take a little bit more care to see what's going on yeah exactly it's I think it definitely contributes to the community aspect of the game as well just like leaving the door leaving the window open for the ability for somebody to ninja loot am I echoing no okay all right um yeah because people kind of create their own destiny that way like if they decide to become a ninja looter uh yeah that like safe safe said they get blacklisted on the server um they kind of pave their own path make their own destiny if you will uh so yeah I think it it has a lot to do with community as well like the the ability um to uh like taking taking loot trading out of five mans and everything yeah yeah I think that makes sense I think no I think you're right uh I think you're absolutely right and and people people are gonna be able to police it so you'll know I mean there's people's names who I remember I haven't played right yeah from like from like two years ago right there's people's names I remember I was like oh that guy's a bastard I hate that guy it's just like you know you don't forget right there's people from back in vanilla that you remember I mean if people talk about like the whole aq 40 the the ringing of the gong on illidan right with with z extreme and all that stuff so um I mean these things these are things that people remember right I mean the game the game is a game where you're so heavily invested into it that you end up making these relationships and you end up making these memories that are just like embedded in you forever right um yeah well yeah like some some people you know we've talked about this I think that loot trading is bad or sorry I think that ninja looting is bad but I think the capacity for players to ninja loot is good and this is exactly what quiz you said like some people just want to be the bad guy like they want to some people it's fun for them to have everyone hate them and anytime they talk in trade chat everyone calls them out and they can't get an invite to a guild and make their own little troll guild for the other like ninja looters like they just want to be the bad boy and you need you need to give people the capacity to be the bad guy I think that's very important yeah I think so absolutely yeah yeah like there's no room for that in uh retail wow and uh it's kind of like that that mentality like everybody gets a trophy you know like in in retail like oh yeah if you oh your your item dropped okay well let me trade it to you but like in in vanilla is kind of like tough shit like if it if it didn't drop for you just run it again or if somebody took it from you like too bad yeah just go again and again and again over and over and over again yeah exactly yeah I remember I remember just like how many times I ran Strathun dead with uh actually was snide stay safe like snide like that was one of the first times like I just kind of know snide and make friends this night and he was just like okay whatever and we just like I don't know just bed run Strathun dead just like boom just pop him off and he's like no like I'll run it until you need it and I don't know how many times we ran it but that's just how it goes right and it's like it can be a grind sure but it ends up being fun and you end up making friends through that it's really cool yeah and enemies and enemies so exactly um the next piece the the next piece of news that we got well this isn't an order necessarily but the next thing that we're going to talk about as far as news goes and this is something that's a little bit more controversial is the Alterac Valley news Alterac Valley wasn't something like I was expecting them to talk about specifically without talking about like the rest of PvP or um you know we'll get to that in a little bit I guess but they basically came out and said they wanted to come out with the later version of Vanilla WoW it's not retail AV it's still Vanilla WoW's Alterac Valley uh they just don't want to have the initial launch version and uh in my opinion I'm gonna be completely honest and I know a lot of other like PvPers and stuff feel this way AV especially early AV was very much like a PvE battleground and you can talk about how oh like you know it's way faster it doesn't last for days like no it's not that much faster like I've done it on private server too and private server has at least tried to emulate the original version with the mines and with everything else they don't know the exact location of the mines they're they're guessing where the mines but even then like people are doing like good AV pre-mades of like 10 minutes you know they're just popping them off all the time so it's not every AV doesn't last days or hours or weeks or whatever right um it happens sometimes people can turtle and if you try and turtle you have getting flamed for it usually because a lot of times people do it when they want to grind on it and like I think the long AVs are a lot of fun like I remember it's still on my channel like AV had just launched and it's my my ret white and blue stream I think we did AV we did like a four or five hour AV or whatever like that stuff is fun um but just because they're like don't have the mines and uh they don't have the exact like original AV as opposed to like the the later vanilla AV doesn't mean that it's not going to be able to last forever or that it's going to be really fast and just just to clarify when when people are talking about the mines and AV they're not talking about the mines that you go into like like the tunnels or the caves they're talking about in early alt-track value or mine that were off the path that prevented you from going off the path and if you ran over them they would blow you up and you would die like they did a ton of damage so it's sort of bottlenecks you into certain uh paths that you had to take anyway absolutely and beyond the actual gameplay I think the biggest the biggest thing about it is the the honor gains and like the way it's set up uh basically the early versions of AV were so lucrative honor wise that you basically have to spam them over and over again regardless of what other BG weekend you're on because that's the most efficient honor and so you take away player choice you take away player agency and being able to pick whatever BG they want to rank with and instead you funnel everyone into AV over and over again time after time and as we know you know forcing someone to do the same thing over and over and over and over again especially with something as grindy as the rank grind itself it's just it's just not good for the game so the 112 AV it allows players to play whatever BG they want for the most part and you know if it's AV weekend play AV if it's you know worse if it's worse on golf it's AB play the other BGs but it gives you choice and allows you to play the game how you want to play it instead of feeling forced to play one version of one of the BGs yeah I definitely agree I agree with what S1 said I think the 112 AV is probably the best and most reasonable option that they had as far as like altruc valley goes what you said about early altruc valley being like much more so of a pve battleground it was very very true like like they said in the blue post there are a lot of high health NPCs that like especially the core active blood rager guy that they actually mentioned by name in the blue post like if you're running through the field of strife in the middle and you aggro that guy you're just gonna die like it and it takes like your entire raid to stop and kill him actually before you can progress through safely so there and there were other NPCs as well that sort of serve the same purpose um I definitely think that 112 AV is the best option for classic wow the core act I am particular though that was like that was one of the things that was kind of sad to see you go because it's always fun yeah it's always fun to find especially when like he's the original quest objective for like the blues the baby blue quest like it's fun to fight over him but then it also means longer games because you only spawned at the two hour mark in av only spawned once so if you you know queue up into an av and it's a fresh av usually people intentionally turtle till he spawns so you have a bare minimum two hour av games where nobody's doing anything just so they can try to kill him do the quest and then he comes up both the horde and the alliance can tag him whichever faction gets him gets him and then a lot of people end up leaving the game and re queuing so it's like it definitely has negative gameplay effects too for sure and and just to mention real quick those of you guys who don't know like the the significance of core act there's a quest right there's a quest to to kill him and you can get good item like ice barbsphere for example which is a really good two-handed pole arm and you also get the the I think it's just called like rune of recall I don't know the exact name of it I can't remember but you get a a recall rune to go to the uh basically it's like it's like a hearthstone to go back to the to your base area if you want to go back and defend um I believe I believe I could be wrong on this but I believe that whenever they got rid of that you could do the quest to just win an av and you can get an ibs so are you getting ice barbsphere and you don't get ibs that's that's something else yeah you get an ice barbsphere or whatever else whatever whatever other quest or word that you want um but I don't remember you having the rune uh I don't remember you having the rune uh or the the the little av hearthstone for the quest uh I think it was just like a use thing with charges so I can't remember but yeah yeah but I just think it's I just think it's interesting how they want to do that um yeah not your not irritable bowel syndrome ice barbsphere just to just to clarify so quizzie speaking of pve battlegrounds and stuff you you got your prop palette on level 60 um did you play like at all to to the point whenever like battlegrounds and stuff were coming out before you switched to your priest did you even try or did you just like go priest main the whole time a little bit because it was really hard for me to give up on that character especially because I spent so much time on it um so yeah I did I tried some battlegrounds I I there's a lot of world pvp too because I was on a pvp server and I did level solo for most of it which is also why it took a while um but I remember uh I remember like this one instance in particular I think I was in feralis in a cave and these two rogues come up to me and they try to gank me and they ended up just like killing themselves basically like I really didn't do anything yeah holy shield red aura consecration um yeah it was I think I had reckoning so right yeah it was insane but uh especially with like the early talents too like paladins were insane just uh like sword and shield everything like paladins were really good in pvp early talents like yeah against uh against melee it was it was pretty hard to kill me so what are you going to be playing in classic rather hopefully not a prop palette oh damn it all right no I uh well yeah it's funny because I made a priest in vanilla um but then as the years went on I kind of went back to playing a paladin and um through through all the expansions up until legion I kind of switched between prot and ret um especially like in bc prot was amazing so that was so much fun um and then in legion I switched to holy for the first time um and I had so much fun with it that I just kind of kept with it like uh holy was pretty op in legion and even in bfa like it's not bad um so I'm gonna try holy pali in vanilla oh yeah uh it's funny because I never played a holy pali uh end game in vanilla so it's gonna be fun but uh you know they were pretty damn good healers you know endless mana not a crazy rotation so I think I'll be all right yeah no holy palins are awesome like you you shouldn't play anything other than holy if you're gonna play paladin right no they're awesome good choice yeah very good choice rating as a priest was so fun too so that'll probably be my alt whenever I get around to it that's good that's awesome I don't know about a dwarf though we'll see yeah so yeah I think um dwarves dwarves are actually like whenever it comes to paladin so it's funny because I play human but I think if you're not doing ret and pve then you should probably go dwarf just in my opinion but I mean people can just do whatever like as far as like oh yeah you know if you're trying to go for min max and pvp and you want to have stone form to get rid of a blind or whatever or even an aq 40 right you could soak for a little bit with that but uh anyway just just moving on from that uh the last piece of news uh and this is something that a lot of people were really excited about especially dualists right not not just pvpers but dualists and I think these are two different types of people the dualists and the pvpers like like so you have okay you have pvpers right these are pvpers and then subcategories of pvpers you got rankers and then you have dualists and they're two different types of people um who just like want to play the game a different way so I would say more than anything like the dualists uh this is something that they were probably really excited about with spell batching all pvpers but particularly the dualists uh what spell batching is is it's essentially a latency buffer okay so it's a latency buffer for one of your caster spells and uh how the server reads them as far as tick rates goes so essentially if two people would hit the same button at the same time or about the same time their spells would go off at the same time so the most common occurrence of this would be if you had two people casting instant cast spells running into each other and as soon as they get into range they're let's say let's say it's two uh paladins right spamming hammer of justice and dual they stun each other at the same time let's say it's two warriors and they're running into range and they're in charge range boom they both charge each other at the same time that's probably the most common case of seeing spell batching come into play but another time when you can see spell batching come into play is if you're getting cc'd or something and then you cc another guy while you're getting cc'd so then you can basically burn off some of the cc and the longer cc prevails and if they have like a long cooldown or whatever it ends up being really good an example of this would be uh as a paladin let's say if you're fighting a rogue he cheap shots you and he's loading up his combo points on you and if he lets cheap shot drop for a second and he kidney shots you right after that and you're spamming your hammer of justice out of a cheap out of a cheap shot you hammer at the same time he kidneys so in that scenario even though your stuns are about the same your stun lasts a minute baseline and his stun lasts 20 seconds baseline so this ends up being really really good for the rogue because he has a chance to basically go out and reset without you having a stun or anything like that um spell batching is something that a lot of times whatever it comes into play a lot of people feel like it's kind of buggy but it is how the game feels and it is how the game plays um it's it's important to getting like that sort of vanilla feel to the game and it does have gameplay implications right i know a lot of times if i'm fighting a rogue i won't spam hammer of justice out of a cheap shot because i don't want that to happen so i'll wait for him to kidney me and i'll shrink it and then hammer or i'll shrink it the cheap shot and then i'll hammer him right away for example um i think this is something that a lot of people are i think a lot of people thought that it wasn't going to happen uh like i totally thought it was not going to happen i mean but dude just just the fact that they like they really this is a this is a thing uh this spell batching issue is an issue that so few people or even aware of or could even articulate very well if they if they didn't include in classic wow very few people would have actually noticed so the fact that they went like i really think with this issue they went above and beyond i think so it's really to really keep the game as authentic as they possibly could it's a very very good sign that they did this like for real yeah agreed yeah i agree i agree and just just that they're listening yeah i think that it's good i think that it's really good i i know like you know we had heard from you the sins uh a while back like i don't just like getting the chance to like talk to you the sins and we've had you if this isn't on classic azer sikor now if you guys uh have been falling along with sikor uh since he left blizzard um and just haven't talked to him about a lot of this stuff he mentioned that you know it was something that was potentially on the table like you know the you know even though like he couldn't say anything specific it was like okay like i you know you know okay i i get what you're saying like it's like okay this is something that at least had been brought up or at least they were aware of of the situation but to uh to actually see it happen was like pretty cool uh wasn't you know it wasn't completely out of left field but it just like it had been kind of such like a quiet issue for so long and then all of a sudden they're like oh hey by the way we're going to do this i was like what that was pretty cool this pretty cool one thing with the spellbatching post it was so interesting to me was that or surprising me was that spellbatching is actually still in the game but that latency window is 10 times smaller than it was approximately in in vanilla wow so yeah stuff like that that you know uh like same time cc stuff like that that can still happen to retail wow but the chance of it happening is is so much smaller than it is in vanilla wow i actually didn't know that yeah i didn't know that either i was really surprised to hear that yeah that's all i heard it was actually pretty easy to reimplement the spellbatching and i heard it was just it was a matter of like changing just like one very small thing in the code to like it loops around like a few times somebody explained it to me the other day but uh i think this is a great example like i also was one of the people that thought they probably wouldn't do this because you know intuitively you think about it like that sounds like a very technical issue that's probably a really complicated thing to do and like our ignorance and the technical side of things like let us like a faulty conclusion but um but no it's it's good that they did it and uh you know again like it's it's an extra step nobody really expected it of them and hopefully that you know that that can only mean good things moving forward that can only mean that they're working on a lot of other things as well that hopefully we didn't expect them to uh we can hope right like let's hope um yeah i think uh i i think something else um something else was spellbashing that uh i'm a little bit concerned about right not not it's not a huge concern but i'll go ahead and mention it um because of the feeling that spellbashing whenever it comes into play kind of feels buggy at times uh i'm worried about them implementing it and almost going a little bit overboard with it and then it's just like okay this is happening all the time and it's not supposed to um make sure it like happens every now and then or like you can kind of predict it right like it what what it ends up doing whenever it's in the game and whenever you as a player are trying to like take advantage of it it makes you it changes your gameplay uh to be a little bit more proactive right because you think like okay for example i'm running at stay safe stay safe and i are dueling right and he's he's no more lock i'm a human rep paladin and if i'm in range of him for a hammer of justice and i'm like i have it up and i just guess like okay i think he's gonna death coil now right and then i hit it and i stun him right as soon as he death coils i might be able to stun his death coil and i like waste his longer cooldown on it on a on a death coil with my hammer that's just like an example of like when it comes into play and um well you know that's probably going to happen very often because everyone knows that red palins are actually a hard counter for warlocks so yeah that sort of stuff happened i'm not sure about that one no yeah i think i think that's something that um my my point with that is that uh if they if they make the window too big right but surely they're going to be able to go on they're going to tweak it maybe in like you know a beta or something maybe in some sort of a testing period uh they can go through and they can make sure that kind of stuff feels right and that's one of the big things that we're really hoping to see going forward speaking of which there's actually a number of things that uh you know there's still still things left on the table that we want to see going forward and with as big of a month as march was i think that there's a pretty good chance that april and april and may end up being pretty big as well um especially for some of the least coming around the corner tips i know you've a lot of info on this or you know exactly how many i think it's like four or five or whatever but how many blue posts were there in march like it was a lot they really picked up the pace dude in total if you don't if you count like if you don't count the inconsequential ones it's six major blue posts in march which is pretty big like that's that's triple that's triple the amount we got prior to blizz gun so it's like uh it's great and i know some people were saying that uh we didn't get one today or yesterday or something like that that's because blues don't care anymore they gave up on the court it's over it's over classic as dude uh well i mean the last one i think was on thursday so we still have some time i mean i wouldn't expect one till the end of this week personally and to be honest i'm quite happy there wasn't one yesterday for sure i think a lot of us were spared some some agonizing and crippling anxiety so uh yeah it's it's good uh you know i think we'll get one by the end of this week for sure one one thing it's really interesting about these blue posts in march like they sort of changed their format of blue posts where prior they they had these very in-depth very like analytical very detailed like water cooler uh talks um they were like very very detailed now these are more like brief like philosophical design ideas right and whereas before the dev water core talks probably took a ton of time um to get on paper these like maybe you can have like a cm stand behind the classic dev as he's working on classical and you can sort of just like verbally dictate this stuff you know it's probably much easier for them to put this out than it was for the water core talks which is probably why like maybe they made that realization that this is an approach they want to take and that's probably resulted in why we see these so much more often now with with higher frequency mm-hmm i think uh i think one of the big things is at least from like a community perspective right i think that bfa has hit a point where people are you know kind of bored with it i would just say as a whole people gave it a try and and i know i i had my fun with it with like you know the long i thought i i'll say like i thought launch was fun i was surprised actually i thought pre-pash was especially fun pre-pash was really fun but then like after rum blizzcon time was just kind of like died like i just i didn't have it in me anymore like i just i was like this isn't really fun for me and um that's why i've been doing like you know we all have we've all been doing like all kinds of different stuff since then so i think uh i think that people are getting a little bit antsy people are getting excited people people are getting anxious for classic and especially knowing that it's going to come out this summer and not knowing when this summer i think i think them coming out with more classic news is just good like it's it's good for us because that's what we want but it's also good for blizzard and it's good for wow as a whole so i think they're going to keep doing it and i think i think it's going to be really good um of the things that are left of the things that are remaining to hear there's a number of things left i think one of the big things is there's still not really an answer for sharding and sharding is something that i think it's still like a really hot button topic um because you know the the big thing was whenever we went into the classic demo and i personally didn't experience it's pierces a blizzcon i didn't experience until i got home because it was different on the blizzcon floor than it was on the live servers but uh or on the on the demo servers but uh ever there's something that consensus everybody was pretty like what the hell like what's going on right and they said like i literally i i got off my streaming spot at blizzcon and i saw quizsy i think quizsy came on right after that so i said hey quizsy and then i and i walked over to uh i walked over to yithersons and i was like what's going on like what's spell batch or not spell batching what's uh what's going on with sharding and it was basically that sharding was like a temporary solution for the sake of the demo like it's something that was already in the game they were like okay well let's just leave it like this at least for the demo because if you're going to have a server's worth of people in the barons and westfall then we probably need to have it just so that people can play the demo and get to get to mess around in it so that's what that's what that was at the time now with that being said that's also something they've talked about and they said like this could be something that ends up legitimately being what they feel like is the best solution um a lot of people don't like sharding just inherently i know i don't like it i think most people don't like it inherently but uh i've said it before i think that i i wouldn't be surprised if they went with sharding at least for launch i don't think they should do it overall because there's there's all kinds of other implications all kinds of other issues with it but if they went for launch like in the starting zones they had sharding and uh you know just in like elwyn dunmarow uh duratar whatever right and uh they they they just kept it to that not don't put it anywhere else don't put it at the aq 40 event that's that's one example that always comes up and the problem specifically with the aq 40 event the reason why that example comes up is one it's that's notoriously a big large-scale event where a lot of people on the server are probably going to be there um and two if it's if they're sharding then that's going to make more instances of the gong so there's more gongs to ring so how are they going to approach that so it's it's got gameplay implications and just community aspect all that stuff so i don't know that's that's how i feel if it's in there at the very beginning just for the sake of like being able to play the game for the first 10 levels and then after that like you you basically extend the bottleneck you move the bottleneck back and then you have like player speed kind of come into factor there and then now the bottleneck is still going to be there there's always going to be a bottleneck whenever you end the sharding but it's going to be a lot less like because what's the other solution right dynamic response and that's got all its own problems here's here's here's like the deal with dynamic response versus sharding when the player when when the classical community has dynamic response in their brain they're thinking of private server dynamic response and what we've seen on private servers with dynamic response is terrible like i'm going to be honest it's atrocious like you can't go in caves you can't go on wrecked ships off the coast you're killing things in the open world just randomly in the in the freaking forest like a wolf and by the time you kill it loot it drink up like you're still trying to recover and then it responds back on top of you and it's very like it makes it very easy to die like things can respond so fast you just cannot survive against them in certain scenarios caves are just like i said you just can't go inside of them it's it's i think i think if they have private server style dynamic response in classical that will turn a lot of people off so if it's if it's if it's a debate between dynamic response in the in the vein of what we've seen on private servers versus sharding in the one to ten or one to fifteen level range i'm gonna i'm honestly going to say that i would prefer sharding in that level range as opposed to what we see on private servers with dynamic response that dynamic response system on private servers is is terrible now i'll say this um i fully believe i fully believe that blizzard is probably able to implement dynamic response in a better way than private service like i have full faith in blizzard to to have a better dynamic response system than scuffed private servers that we see like that's how i feel so um maybe maybe blizzard has has a solution that isn't sharding that is dynamic response that would be better than private servers yeah i'm curious what quissy thinks about this this is probably we've talked about a lot what do you think quissy like from a launch perspective like what do you think is the best solution i mean i just made me think back to it earlier on in our conversation we're we're kind of debating how many servers we think they're going to have at launch um i remember vanilla launch uh the the queues were super long um servers went down for like day here and there uh i remember being rewarded game time just because of all the server issues that they they had in the beginning um as for as for like leveling i i mean god i can't even remember like how crowded the server was in the beginning um but honestly like uh sharding um i'd hate to see it just because again like my main thing is going back to the community aspect and um you just want to like be able to see everybody i guess like in the demo you know when people are phasing in and out it was kind of weird um yeah i i don't i don't know i'm kind of torn because yeah we want the servers to run smoothly on the other hand yeah i think that uh i mean back in the day there was no sharding there was no dynamic response there's no nothing there was long queues and i think that's a big concern is nowadays people just they want to log in instantly and they won't have to wait on a queue and i think that's something that blizzard is is looking at and saying like is this something we want to deal with um um looking at that and kind of leveraging that versus like what should the population cap be uh this is a big concern for streamers uh not not not i mean even us but not to the extent of like somebody who's really big like uh you know asman or soda poppin or one of those guys right because if they have like 20 30 40 50 000 people watching them maybe even more and they want to play on whatever server and then they have a bunch of people watching them who also want to play on their server it's like how are all those people going to get in um they're not that's the short answer but the the method of how many of those people are going to get in uh that's that's what really comes into question and if they want to just put like a big fat queue on it whether they want to increase the population cap and uh use sharding to artificially like increase the the front end of it um i don't know like i said like it's something that's it's such a big deal and i think that the best way that they can really do like legitimate research and find out a good solution is to have a stress testing period or a beta testing period where they come out and they say okay guys we're doing a launch test and what we're going to do with the launch test today is we're going to have one server that's going to be let's i'm throwing a number out there totally random 5000 people right you have 5000 people and we are going to log in no dynamic response no sharding no nothing we're going to try and log in and we're going to see what happens right what's going to happen with 5000 people coming in and basically going into uh what is it three different starting zones or sorry six different starting zones so what's gonna happen if we take if we take all these people split them between six different starting zones and just let them roam free no sharding no nothing i think they need to do that i think they need to do that and then i think they also they need to do their due diligence and they need to test it with sharding as well and they really need to go and they need to get legitimate testing legitimate evidence of of their findings like okay this is this is what's going on but not only that and this is one of the most important things with it is if you're part of the community and if you're in that test then you can see it with your own eyes oh this is what's going on right you can see if it's good you can see if it's bad get the community involved with the testing i think i think that's great i think that's really good yeah like i in my opinion i think having let's say let's say they decide on a 4000 population cap server server cap and there's login queues on top of that if people want to play on those more desirable servers no sharding no dynamic response you just have to fight for what you have like yeah in my opinion that's that's the that's that's my desired solution to the problem yeah there's nothing just no no uh i mean in a perfect world in a perfect world that would work just yeah just let it run like i mean it'd be ideal right well yeah i don't know if they can do that that paves the way for alternative gameplay so maybe you're skipping the first couple quests where you have to loot wolf meat like maybe you're going to random mobs often off in the middle nowhere and you're grinding those for a couple levels or like an hour or so maybe you're trying exploration xp routes maybe you just have to wait and struggle for tags like yeah there's there's no here's here's the reality of the long situation like the long situation the first 24 48 hours level one to 15 or whatever it's going to be there is no solution they can come up with that will make everyone happy like there will be people that are angry about about whatever they come up with so that they have to they have to do the thing that just like makes the makes the game the most playable well that has to be their concern you you touched on it right you're talking about alternative gameplay um sometimes you just have to be creative i mean like there's people who they go and they get the first few levels exploring actually didn't you do a video on that stay safe a long time like a long time ago you did a video on this i'm pretty sure yeah i remember and and here's the thing with vanilla wow like it's all about being creative like like vanilla wow is not about hand holding so if if you have to think outside the box book okay i've been trying to kill this wool for 10 minutes this quest is not going to happen i'm going to go do something else now like that's that's not unreasonable to expected players you know what i mean yeah yeah i mean i think it'd be great if they if they just did nothing for the launch just because i think that would help reduce the the population very quickly it should be um but uh like you said they're gonna they're going to do whatever they feel is best and i think from their perspective right now it is sharding um who knows i mean i i i still would prefer maybe slightly larger caps with some dynamic spawns and again like stay safe said like instant spawning mobs like you saw on saturday is is not like that's not dynamic that's just one version of dynamic spawns there's a broad spectrum whether whether mob spawns after one second or 10 seconds or 30 seconds has very different implications depending on which of those scenarios it is so yeah i just want to add something sorry like this is this is the thought i had the thought process i had after saturday what would turn more people away from classic wow dynamic response exactly like we saw on saturday or sharding 1 to 10 and i i i actually genuinely think that what we saw on saturday that that sort of dynamic response system would turn more people away from classic wow than sharding 1 to 10 i genuinely think that dude i mean yeah i agree you and you tweeted about this stay safe i i remembered i read your tweet and i just like oh dude i remember whenever i first started playing on uh and this is i hadn't been part of the private server scene really at the time but i remember one of our first sort of playing and i couldn't kill anything in elwyn so i left uh i left and i went to dunmer roe on my paladin and i started doing the quest in dunmer roe to level up and get exploration xp on the way i was like i can't kill anything this is dumb i'm just gonna go so i i go and i you know explore to go uh get to dunmer roe and i go to the uh the yeti caves and i kill like two yeti's in and i'm like just kind of working my way in and it's like by the time that i pulled the third yeti the yeti that i just killed respawned behind me and i just died and i spent like 30 minutes trying to get out this cave like because i was i was stupid and i was like trying to do the quest and i was like trying to get in i like couldn't lay it it was this whole thing right and and i think somebody who is uh i think somebody who's new to the game is definitely going to see that and like sure like that's what experience is and that's what happens like people who play the game longer are going to be better at the game because they're going to have those experiences to call and be like you know what i probably shouldn't do this um now the the real question comes in is like was that part of the intended gameplay and the intended experience of vanilla like probably not right actually definitely not um and i i just want to add one more thing real quick i'm going to say this again i think as far as dynamic respawns go i think that blizzard like i have to believe that blizzard could implement dynamic respawns better than anything we've seen on the private server so if if they chose to go the dynamic respawn route i think it would be better than what we've seen on private service like maybe if it was like adaptive or more um like it was flying to very specific zones or areas or you know what i mean it wouldn't i mean it wouldn't be impossible right it wouldn't be impossible i think that uh i mean i i think that i mean that this is a whole separate discussion right how much better could dynamic could blizzards dynamic response be then uh something that a volunteer private server team made like sure like they put a lot of effort into and all that but one of you have like a you know football team and like okay like let's look at this maybe maybe mob's respawn at this rate you have uh you know the different nodes and stuff respawn at this rate maybe you have this quest like what's what's the quest in um so there's a quest outside of red ridge uh where you have to go into the hold into the into the keep with the orcs and there's a quest at the top with like a five minute respawn and there's just always a massive farrell zoom or whatever yeah and it's like okay like don't do this quest why are you guys doing this quest like just go do something else it's a huge waste of time but it's a big it's a big bottleneck because people go in and they're just like okay let's go do this quest and just because they see it on their list and they want to go do everything completionist mentality and that's fine like anybody should be able to play wow the way that they want in that regard like if you want to go through into all the quests like the last time i level to 60 it took me five weeks and i tweaked i tweaked for a week at level 59 like because i didn't think that i was going to keep playing like i was just like whatever um and and yeah like some people just take forever because they want to take forever and they want to pvp and they want to do old dungeons and this and that other people want to just boom they want to hit it as fast as possible um and yeah so i don't know what you think it's funny earlier earlier today we watched the video of it was actually asmigold's mom from vanilla wow she hit level 16 it took her 50 days slash yeah okay that was on my recommended two i don't know why that was on my recommended i always see that one too and it was it was a good comfy video like that there's no holes like that it's just wholesome video yeah how come youtube never recommends my videos the hell well that's the thing about vanilla like back in original vanilla i never felt compelled to get to the max level like it was never it was never a thing it was like yeah there's rating there there's something out there but like like you could just battleground you could do anything you class level world pvp guru bossy arena i mean all of this stuff was just there and whether you experienced it at level 50 or at 60 or at 40 or at 30 it didn't really make a difference and and you never really felt compelled you know it was about the journey literally but i'm sorry quiz i think i cut you off oh no no i was preparing my next thought no i was thinking about uh going back to ragnarok online and i'm sure many old school uh mmo's are like this but there's no quests in the game so you basically just choose an area to grind in for a certain number of levels and uh and that's it when you're done you find a group and uh you just go there kill mobs for hours and then move on to a different zone so yeah going back to wow like some people prefer to just grind off mobs level that way um a lot of people who uh moved over from my guild in aro uh preferred that method like wasn't it jones stats during our class castle a while ago that said that they originally they were thinking of not even having quests in in wow and it was like an afterthought yeah it was new to me doing quests too i can't i can't remember i i remember in dark age of camelot it was the same thing there was no quests like like the whole entire questing system and all this stuff like pve was in general just a thousand times better than anything i'd ever experienced yeah i i came from runescape you know like there were there were a couple like a handful of quests in like 2004 2005 but you it was it was a grinding game that's what games were you just grinded and you in runescape you chopped trees for 18 hours a day and that's what it was uh you didn't like yeah it wasn't it wasn't like a super quest progression system so kind of moving on from the starting talk i mean i i think like i said that's something everybody's kind of confused about and everybody just kind of hopes they make the best decision i mean in a perfect world like they're going to find a solution without any sharding whatsoever but uh are they going to be able to do that we'll see uh to move on from that we uh we talked a little bit about uh beta stress test all this stuff a lot of a lot of people thought there might be an announcement soon we might be you know i think we're due for an announcement of a release date but before you get an announcement of a release date hearing about a beta or a stress testing period or something i i think is probably a lot more important right i mean at least a lot more reasonable um to hear about that first before you hear about the release date so i don't know i think this is something that we could realistically be getting here in the next couple of weeks i i just we're due that's how i feel let me ask you guys this do you think we're going to have an alpha or a beta or do you think we're just going to have maybe one or two stress tests or just nothing at all just a release at this point like just just looking at the time frame now i don't know anymore i mean the terminology i don't know like the technical side of terminology but it certainly won't be a blizzard style beta not the world of warcraft beta it's not the six month long betas or alpha beta combination that we've been seeing recently it's not going to be that that's for sure um i i think that i think that there's there's got to be something they're like they're making a huge just massive mistake if there's not something right because there's two ways to look at this right and and there's something that's really important and i think that blizzard should should definitely take into account is if you can get people who care so much about this game to go in and play the game and this is something they definitely did after the demo we know for a fact you know firsthand that they did this after the demo um if you have people playing the game and they notice oh hey you didn't fix this yet hey you didn't fix this yet hey you didn't fix this yet and you're able to give feedback right whether it's on the forums whether it's on reddit whether it's people making videos you know direct feedback whatever then it kind of allows them to go through and double check everything because it's not so much that they don't know it's that there's a lot of stuff to fix and they might have missed something right so if you throw everybody in there go ahead i was going to say to go with that like here's my thought and i don't know the technical term so i'm going to sound like an idiot trying to articulate this but i don't know how easy it is for like they've said they have the 112 client internally that they're that they can ref the reference client right um i don't know how seamlessly they can just copy everything like all the quest information and values i don't know if they can just very easily copy that over to classic wow yeah i wonder if it's like a manual thing no like like you could i don't know like maybe they can just you don't copy paste it over and you go no problem just fits in perfectly i don't know um if they can that would explain like why they might feel confident in not having a beta or an alpha right um they they they legitimately might feel like they don't need to have one i also think it's probably legitimate concern i was talking to my stream the last couple days about this um like it's probably a concern of theirs that having an alpha or beta would kill the hype like i know if i was a twitch viewer and i had and i was watching streamers stream classic wow for two or three weeks they level to 60 they might do upper black or expire maybe go regular us on the beta like that would probably kill my height that would that would make that would make classic launch feel less epic for me so they're probably worried about that i i do think you're right as when i think we need to have like a stress test where they test like maybe sharding and dynamic stuff and stuff like that just just to see what's up or how many players kind of kind of unaltered vanilla world with just the normal static response accommodate how many players can that world accommodate reasonably back in the day it was two and a half thousand kind of do three thousand three and a half four or five um i think that stress tests are probably important where they're testing those variables but like i i wouldn't understand why they wouldn't do an alpha or beta even though i selfless we want one i want one yeah exactly here's the go ahead cousin go ahead oh no i agree with say safe um i was just thinking about like last year at this time i think i was playing the bfa alpha and bfa came out in august so if we're looking at like the latest in august release date for classic um i i don't see any kind of alpha coming out for it um a beta two yeah i think it would kill the hype too um even for people who maybe aren't streamers and they get beta access and they just want to try it out that could be a hype killer too like they try it out and they're like a shit i didn't get to play the demo but i'm playing the beta and i don't think this is for me or just like kind of pop and burst in the bubble a bit um so yeah yeah maybe like stress test or something uh i definitely agree with that like that's the capacity some sort of the stress testing or like phase testing right where it's like okay like we're gonna do this and you have premade characters or something right you have premade characters and it like really make it almost boring testing right don't make it to where like you have the full blown game because if you if you're trying to not kill the hype right i don't here's the thing i don't think you're particularly going to kill the hype per se because look at it this way look at the bfa uh look at the bfa beta bfa alpha that didn't i mean that didn't kill the bfa hype right oh it did i did well i mean there's still still top of twitch for you know what i mean like people people thought it was going to be bad but that's that's how i met us fan right i think so yeah alpha or the beta i think it was i think it was early yeah it was like the alpha i don't know yeah it was something like that yeah um i think so here's another thing uh the classic demo that we saw during and after blizzcon was essentially a stress test of sorts right you know it was 15 and 19 it was in it was in west fall and the barons like who knows how many variables they tested amongst their like 20 different servers who knows what they tested that we don't know they tested right each server could have had a little bit of different variables or caps or you know what i mean like who knows or or degrees to which there was sharding or thresholds for you know what i mean so i'm sure they tested a lot during that demo phase that we don't even know about i think they know yeah all kinds of back information that we're unaware of yeah yeah all kinds of backhand analytics absolutely i think the testing has already happened maybe yeah no i think um yeah i think it'd be really good i think it'd be really good to do that but i mean there's people who have like streamed private servers and like hasn't been on a large scale right but like stay safe you and i've been there you know in the past right before the announcement and then you know with the band and whatnot um so it's like people have done it before but uh like i think i thought i cut my hand for a second i'm gonna put this down um yeah i don't play with knives uh okay so yeah i mean i don't know like it's it's definitely there like if people really wanted to see it then it would be out there i think it's there's something special about it being real you know what i mean um i think i think it could definitely affect the hype shore but uh i don't think it would all outright kill it or anything um some sort of stress testing focus like testing phases where it's like okay guys we're gonna look at the dungeons like go through and run dungeons uh go through and run raids something like that just boom boom boom like like let them run the raids no lockouts something like that like it'd be cool right i mean i i don't know maybe that'll affect the hype negatively but uh i think if you made it almost boring then uh because part of what part of what doing the raids is about is like getting together with your guild and you you know people in your raid never just get it getting together and you're getting your pre raid this and you're getting your consumes and buffs and there's like there's so much more to it like i remember when i would get up it was raid day okay and and i played sports right i played football and anybody else who who played sports or competed in anything right whenever it's game day whenever it's time to turn it on like you wake up that day and it's like okay i'm ready like i spend all day like preparing to raid like i go i make sure i got all my consumes ready i make sure okay let's go get my world buffs i mean this is right this is right this is right and you're almost getting like mentally prepared to go raid it's it's the weirdest thing because i i hadn't experienced that since i like had stopped playing football and it was just like what the hell like this is the strangest thing like i don't know it's that's that's a feeling that i would get every raid day and it felt good it felt exciting um what sort of football consumes do you have like gatorade and stuff gatorade uh you know make sure you get your vitamins uh it's just what it is eat your vegetables it's all good dude yeah a little bit of dragon breath chili so you don't want to get you don't want to get hit too hard after eating dragon breath chili because it'll come out the wrong end that's not good especially when you're tackling someone yeah not good not good so uh no yeah i think i think it's good i think it's uh it's just like a special experience that makes it a little bit different so that's my that's my opinion yeah i mean i i hope that they're also aware you know so when the demo launched for the first day or two you know there were some inconsistencies with the demo in classic way you know there was like there was like crit rating on gear and the auto attack range and regen rates and there was the slash lfr thing and people really flipped out dude the lfr thing was so funny people really lost their minds and of course you know it was unreasonable it was a demo like it was an update but i i think they also have to be aware that if they launch classic wow after not having an alpha or a beta and there are big inconsistencies people are going to be like yo like we told you to have an alpha and a beta like yeah exactly if you would if you would let us test this we could have given feedback so i i hope if they choose not to have an alpha or beta that they feel very confident in that decision yeah yeah even something internal something closed not to the public or anything like that just to get some kind of feedback better than nothing you know with you know that wouldn't hurt and maybe they maybe they have like an nda like an unstreamable i i know i would do that like i mean think about it like there's there's a lot of like i mean i've given up stuff before right like i think if it was like hey you know you can you can help make a positive impact but you can't stream it you're under nda like hell yeah like of course i would do that you know yeah but maybe even if it was like a a like special nda where you could like talk about it it's not like a full nda but like you can talk about it but you just can't like record it or stream it or whatever or at least not until uh maybe not until after after the fact or something like that maybe you could like record but you can't publish it or whatever um yeah sorry my guys again for those of you guys who don't know my i was at pax uh i was at pax this last weekend and i was like irl streaming like every day and whenever irl i talk loudly and we're in a loud convention and yeah that's that's why my voice is gone and actually quissy was there as well uh which is pretty cool we got to we got to go to that wow panel and stuff um but yeah it's cool very fun very fun there's a guy who passed out in the bag and they thought he was dead um oh god that was so scary i thought it was fun well the guy okay so we're doing this wow panel there's this little side note and we get up and everybody leaves and there's a guy in the back just and everyone's like what's what's going on they end up like they bring the paramedics in and it's like like like what are they doing they go up to him and they try and like hey hey and he just looks like what's going on like the dude's fine he just passed out he was just tired so it's like it happens you know so i don't know i thought it was funny just like they like scared us to think he was dead or something like everybody has to leave now yeah yeah exactly everybody get out so so yeah oh there's a clip ricksy ricksy has the clip there it is so yeah but let me ask you guys this so summer ends technically in late september it's like september 23rd late september is the point um let's let's assume it's coming out literally the last day of summer september whatever um when would we get when do you expect your release date what do you think about that um i think it'll be between july and august i mean there's the whole like tinfoil hat conspiracy july 16th thing but i think given everything that we have so far i do think it could be between july and august like a good end of happening the release the release yeah yeah do you mean the release announcement stacy or do you mean i mean when when are they going to give us a release date yeah oh give us a release date if the game is releasing late september like how much how how many weeks or months in advance will they give us a date to prepare what do you think month half yeah isn't it usually isn't it usually like a month for wild expansions i don't know well i think i think i think like a month and a half from now it's a couple months usually it's several months yeah i think i think we will get a date before june we wouldn't have to right i think i think we're going to have a date probably this month yeah i think i think probably this month on and more than likely before june and it's weird that that july oscante the 16th thing is like pretty you know tinfoil hat but it's just funny at this point that's the time frame i expect to see the game yeah just regardless yeah just regardless there was the blue post where they were talking about i think bug fixes since the classic demo when they ended it by saying thank you and get ready for a classic summer and like i don't want to look into it too much but to me that indicates like we'll be playing it during summer rather than like in the last day of summer right so right a classic summer so i i think probably mid july that's what i would expect for a full release but who knows dude who knows july 4th freedom freedom from the tyranny of private servers dude july 4th of tuesday that's a third day july second there's a hat of course i i'm gonna get some time in august just because um i mean sooner the better don't get me wrong but um i'm thinking about bfa as well and how they want to space out the content so 8.2 i don't even know is there a release date for 8.2 yet but that's the next big patch coming out and um it's like june i thought it was june maybe maybe i'm wrong and then may early june i think is 8.2 i think yeah okay so 8.2 i'm just kidding sorry i've just been selling at bfa we're talking about bfa patch and like how they would like line up the the releases and stuff is is what quiz he's talking about yeah oh yeah i'm basically just saying like i don't think they would put them so close together um i don't know if there's any crossover like is the classic team completely separate or are there is there some crossover between like the retail guys and the classic guys in terms of development and stuff like that so um from from my understanding is they've got like the wow team them they got the wow team there's like an umbrella right and this is like retail wow and then there's like a little subset which is the the classic wow team which is like brian and omar and and so on like we don't know everybody on the team but brian and brian and omar like the the two guys who are heading it up and they were actually on the retail vanilla team back in the day like you the two guys who were like in charge of making wow classic or people who worked on retail vanilla wow so yeah and we got a chance to meet and talk to them and they're they're both really really good guys who like genuinely care about doing it right which is very good to hear yeah i mean yeah i guess just like spacing out the the wow content as a whole so if 8.2 comes out like early june or uh yeah i don't know if there's a release date but i feel like they would want to space it out a bit more maybe my opinion i don't know right yeah i think that's something that like uh that's something that sikora talked about too is like uh at least as far as like patch cycles and stuff goes like this is later on down the road where it's kind of natural for them to like alternate even if it's not like perfect like it's kind of natural for them to alternate and uh they they probably would typically like not want to have two things too close to each other um they're going to space it out a little bit yeah so that would make sense yeah um now we still we we still have some uh we still have a little bit more to talk about but real quick guys if you haven't yet uh please please please go follow go follow tips out go follow stay safe go follow quizzy quizzy is our friend who's a part of our classic crew which is our little stream team that we put together of people who've been supportive of us and and just good friends and fans of classic so uh please please please go follow them their names are on the screen uh and and also if you haven't followed me yet as well uh i would appreciate a follow i'm going to continue streaming after this uh and like i said we still have stuff to talk about but youtube twitch uh twitter all that stuff is is right there on the screen um oh there's no tv after my youtube i just noticed that but oh my bad yeah it's just quizzy on youtube figured out yeah yeah it's just quizzy on youtube search and actually you just did a video quizzy i saw on your twitter you just did a video kind of recapping a lot of the uh the changes and stuff that have happened uh for not changes sorry announcements and stuff that have happened changes dance game no no uh the announcements and stuff that have happened uh over the course of last month so you guys should go check that out on her youtube channel as well so um so yeah let's let's talk about uh one more thing right you know talking about predictions and other things that we want to hear about going forward let's talk about uh let's talk about right click reporting um and and i would say not just right click reporting i think that's something that's come up a little bit but the general chat features and the chat functionality of bfa and and uh retail wow right now right because if you're taking the 735 base client and you're you're down porting it to what vanilla wow is or what vanilla was supposed to be uh there's like a little bit of stuff that's kind of carried over one of which is right click reporting that they want to keep in the game for reasons that they've said like they don't have the big robust gm team that used to have um put on top of that the like mute functionality and uh like if you type like i think more than three lines and like i don't know the exact number but i know because i'm a gamer and i've gained for a lot of years and i'm sure a lot of you guys have done this as well you have your hands on your keyboard and mouse you're playing and then all of a sudden like you need to type something this was before maybe voice chat for some of you for some of you old boys and girls like before you had vent all the time or discord or whatever if i wanted to type something i would do something and then like you know what i mean did that make any sense i'm playing and then i go and i type real fast like one line and then i go back to playing type the second line keep playing type third line keep playing and that's like developed my my typing habits and i always type like this in everything now where as soon as my thought finishes in my head i hit and i hit enter so yeah that's how i saw all the time yeah i mean that's just kind of how it goes so what ends up happening is if i try and type in trade chat and retail wow i get muted like every time because i i hit enter like it's like a conscious stream of thought like whenever i'm typing so in bfa you don't have to type yeah i mean hey well yeah you can't so so that's kind of how it goes yeah yeah i do the problem the problem is i agree now that you brought up limits player interaction and that's less of a problem in retail wow and more of a problem in classical classic wow is like an entirely different beast beast when it comes to player action and what it takes to be successful on classic well like you really have to negotiating and communicate and stuff like that or in retail wow it's much less important i think with right click reporting like the issue is not necessarily the functionality of right of being able to right click report someone it's the automated response the automated response of squelching someone for 24 hours and having having having that punishment executed prior to an actual human reviewing their reports is a big issue like that's a very big problem and so like i know i noticed like saying right click report is a problem like that's like a very simple way to put it yeah like obviously yeah if right click reporting is there like it's fine you just can't you really can't classic wow have the automated response that's the real issue it's it's the response or the reaction from the right click report that's a big issue yeah like we've talked this a million times you know if you if it's premade was premade and your premade spam right click reports a the premade leader of the opposing premade that's a big issue um you know if if if you right click report the gm and every officer of an of an opposing guild and they can't invite people to their parade or do raid warnings or whisper people in their raid that's a big issue and i guarantee that will be abused so that has to be something that's looked at and like solutions that were implemented in retail wow right click reporting automated response automated punishments you know and squelching for 24 hours uh like these tools that are in retail wow um because classic and retail are just so different like it's not necessarily the right solution for classic wow so i i think that they have to look at that stuff and really be like really be critical of things like that and i i have i i'll say this on top of that i have faith in their ability to look at that and rectify these issues after what they did with with loot trading like i i think they're being very very receptive i think the loot trading was a pretty good compromise and i think that they'll come to something similar um with right quick reporting yeah i think so too i agree dude i think even then like even if you could like right click somebody's name and report them at least open up a window and make them type something like why do you want to report this guy because i i think that's like a big problem too like i can tell you firsthand i've done this in legal legends i've done this in in retail wow or not in retail wow but in retail vanilla where i got pissed at somebody and i like i click the thing i click the question mark and i go and i scroll and i find a reason you know quick report type out your thing and i start typing out what i want to type out and i'm like you know what this is cumbersome and i'm over it at this point like i have like the 30 seconds or a minute to kind of like cool off and then i'm like i don't even care anymore i'm not gonna report this guy whatever move on it's not that big of a deal but i think like this whole like it's just so soft like trigger happy right click reporting people it's it's so soft like i don't know i just think it's like it's a huge problem for everybody and it just like kills the game experience it's it's it's like a shift in mindset maybe this is reflective of society like back in the day back in you know vanilla wow if someone was annoying you your response was to ignore them you just ignore them and you moved on and the whole like premise of right click reporting is rather than a defensive action ignoring someone it's a it's a it's an offensive action right right we are trying to punish someone rather than just ignoring them um and like that's the big problem with it you know i i think that i think that uh dude i i think that um anyway i lost my train of thought sorry no i know i know what you mean though it's like it's it's one of your going through and like it ends up being like people are people are like reporting people maliciously like they're not reporting somebody for a legitimate reason they're reporting them because they they want their you know guided disconnect out of a you know you're going pre-made versus pre-made you got two bracket one pre-made going against each other oh man like i do not want to go and i want i do not want to sit in a 20 minute a b uh let's just spam report and see we can get somebody kicked okay somebody got kicked and then then we win because 15v14 you know yeah so i i i completely agree with that it kind of reminds me like i play on moon guard not not by choice um i moved there because of a guild but uh we were hanging out in the brawlers guild last night and you know i love moon guard because it's a very active community there's always people around um storm wind is always crowded uh so it's it's kind of got like a really strong community and i like that but uh we're hanging out in the brawler's guild and they were like maybe like four or five people just hanging out to the side like commenting on the matches and if somebody lost they you know they were like trash talking a little bit or like you know saying you're bad shit like that and most of us were just ignoring them my one friend like engaged with one of them and they ended up going back and forth a little bit and they were like oh you want to duel outside like i don't know it just kind of it reminded me of vanilla in a way like it just had that classic feel to it or like you you could either choose to ignore them or engage them and right so i love and i've played on kelvin's odd sense of vanilla not the beginning of vanilla but but late vanilla uh if it wasn't for that the fact that at this point i have like friends there and that's just where i've played i think it's cool to play on the same server the whole time if it wasn't for that i thought they would be playing on moon guard like it's uh i i didn't really like care you know i was like whatever before but after playing on moon guard for project 60 and uh you know we we do like the projects and we'll do them there and some people in the in the role play community do not like it because all the sparks come in but i've had people tell me too it's like dude you know you know a lot of people do complain about this with sparks like the the reality of it is the reality of it is that it livens up the server right and i mean the server is i mean it's already pretty good like you compare it to everything else like i i notice way more people engaging in conversation i notice way more people engaging in other kinds of uh conduct as well on moon guard but it's just it's just a lot more it's it's a lot more lively of a community and i think it's cool i don't know i i it is it is very vanilla like i really like it yeah yeah very very good so guys again like i said earlier please please please follow tips out follow stay safe follow quizzy everything is is right there on the screen youtube twitter twitch of course everybody streams everybody's gonna be streaming class take whenever class it comes out of course i'm going to be streaming after this and here in a second i think i think here in a second we're going to go ahead and go to do a little bit of q and a because i know we don't have too much time left but uh we want to do some q and a before we go uh if you guys have any questions go ahead and tweet at us go ahead and tweet at tips out baby at that's vand at say save warlock at quizzy and and put the hashtag classic cast on it because that's what i'm going to be searching here on my phone uh we'll take some questions out of the chat as well um yeah people people have been asking uh some questions throughout the throughout the time but i really haven't had the time to uh or we really haven't been able to it's it's not easy to go back and forth right we want to talk about our thing and then we want to go do the q and a so where can i join your guild oh uh actually yeah so waterlaws uh all of us at this point all three of us tips stay safe and i we all have our guild applications out at this point so um the general idea is that tips is going to be playing horde on an na pvp server uh stay safe is going to be playing na pvp alliance so am i uh we're all going to be on the same server yeah we're all going to be on the same server and uh yeah that's how we're going to do it so so tips will be playing horde we will be playing alliance if you guys are interested in playing with us if you guys are interested in playing with me i mean you should you should definitely check out their streams and uh i know i know in my stream there's a command exclamation point guild should work my guild app is up right now if you guys are interested in joining my guild it takes you to my discord you can join the discord ask any questions in their very active community um that will be in the uh on youtube for those of you guys watching this on youtube this will be down in the description below the video as well so you guys can can join get involved uh you can join my guild go on a stay safe chat join his guild go on a tips chat you can join his guild you can apply to his guild and uh actually stay safe you're doing a meeting you're doing a guild meeting tonight after class yeah if you go to my twitch channel do exclamation point and guild uh there'll be a link to my guild discord we're actually having my officer team and myself have prepared prepared a pretty big presentation going over expectations for the guild and socials and raiders and goals and things like that so we're going to have a big meeting after this in about an hour so that'll be that'll be pretty cool too um i i just released mine today so i just released mine today and tips is also head is out for quite some time now um so yeah let me go ahead and look at twitter real quick we're going to uh get some of these questions in um i think this is a really good one this is from a real badger since twitch wasn't around during the days of vanilla what kind of impact do you think the new age of streamers is going to have on classic wow i think one of the biggest things that we're going to see from people streaming classic is the impact on like server population and just like the the sheer volume of people who are watching some of these streamers this isn't necessarily the case for us right but uh it is the case for some of the bigger guys there's guys who are coming from outside of the wow section coming back to classic a lot of people have had wows a big part of their lives whether it's somebody like tim or shroud or summit or you know whether it's guys who you know are more popular and like known for wow like you know asman and soda poppin right um a lot of people are going to be coming back and a lot of people are going to be uh you know i guess new in the wow section i mean those guys have streamed wow before but not as their main thing or anything so it's going to be very interesting to see i think it could have a really big impact on server population uh it could bring some spurs i know some people are saying to avoid streamer servers i think that the biggest thing is i think the biggest thing that's going to happen and this is something that's inevitable is people are going to be streaming wherever you're at like there's going to be bigger streamers and smaller streamers everywhere oh yeah yeah so like you're not going to be able to avoid people streaming um i think just because of the nature of how the game works like it's going to be hard like there's some things that you can't do on stream like whenever i streamed before whenever i stream private servers i don't think i streamed more than like i think the most i ever streamed in a week was like five days and nowadays i stream almost like it's rare for me to miss a day and i have like an anxiety attack if i miss two days so just so like it's it's going to be different in classic a little bit like there you might not be able to stream classic wow every single day just because there's going to be things you have to do off stream um especially if you're like in leadership right like i ran my guild before so like i would have to go and do officer meetings or loot council stuff and whatnot so it's going to be uh it's going to be pretty interesting and uh and also it might be kind of like a passive watching experience for a lot of people like if you're playing then you might have it up in the second monitor and like listen to it almost like i mean probably like now like a lot of you guys watching right now are probably you know playing a game or you know whether it's wow or another game you're probably just playing and listening in the background right uh and that's the nature of how like podcasts and a lot of people who watch streams work so that that was kind of like a extensive answer do you guys want to add to that at all yeah i i i guess i understand the concern of being on like a giant streamer server um i think it'll be an issue if if if there's only one giant personality like if it's a monoculture server um where you have everyone in trade chat posting like oh this streamer got this item oh like what you know what i mean like i could understand how that could be annoying i'll say that for our server the tips out quissy s fawn stay safe you know all of all of the names you'd expect prom you know payo like everyone that you expect to be on our server is going to be on the server um there's going to be so many names in the hat and there's a million other small people like i know so many people who don't stream now or are very small streamers that want to start streaming classic well and they can't stream private servers they're just kind of chilling um so many people as as far as streamers are you will not escape you will not escape streamers and in fact probably every server will have one or two streamers rise to the ranks um become a large streamer for that server because people on that server will want to watch the streamer on their server so even as you happen you're going in you'll have big streamers created for that server that will rise up so you won't be able to escape them long story short sorry yeah that's kind of what happened with me like with uh like a lesion widebringer because i you know just like streaming consistently whatever and it was like funny to watch my streams because it was like they're going to pull this off like it kind of became a meme right so like but it was it was just funny so that's it's something very natural to happen is that uh you know people are gonna happen to find somebody to watch and then you know what i like watching this so and sometimes sometimes it's like a flash in a pan type thing like where you know somebody's streaming and you can see this in the world first race too you see guys with 20 000 views 15 000 views and then the raids over and then they're back to like 300 or something which is a fine number i mean 300 number 300 viewers is a fine number but then you know it's about the comparison right so you're you're gonna see a lot of that i'm sure yeah and i would say if you're worried about streamers on classic launch i'd say the two biggest worries before that are number one server faction balance and number two population um one thing that streamers do bring to the table is they bring steady population they bring communities especially kind of the more world of warcraft endemic streamers they bring people that aren't going to leave your server and um you know one of the worst things that can happen on any server and i'm sure a lot of you guys have experienced this as you play three months later you know 30 of the population leaves six months later another 20 leaves and so on and so forth that is far more destructive to a community i think than bringing a streamer on board or playing on a server with a streamer so just definitely keep that in mind um yeah things can go bad the other way too yeah i mean i think just like with the nature of classic wow if there's like people that are orbiting a streamer want to play with a certain streamer and they they play on that streamer server like if they don't genuinely like classic wow and want to engage with classic wow and level up and farm and do this and do dungeons they're not going to make it like you you can't fake playing classic wow you either like it or you don't um it's it's like it's a very big investment to be successful in classic wow and so you might you might have those like sort of uh what are they called tourist gamers they're come they're just sort of following their favorite streamer um and they might be there for a couple days and it'll be funny for on streams of like a mass swarm of players following this guy around but you know like within within a couple days i think there's going to be like though those people that just like false rumors ever they go those people are going to die off i'm like the real classic gamers i don't want to like gatekeep but you're like the people that actually want to play classic wow they'll stick around is what i'm trying to say yeah and gatekeeping's a whole nother uh gatekeeping's a whole nother issue too i think with like and that's just like something that in the in the classic community you see a lot of gatekeeping and stuff that's why like i know like you're trying to like you're not trying to gatekeep by like saying it but it's a thing that comes up right and it's like kind of like a slippery slope i guess where it's like you you know people are like oh like you want this or you want that and then all of a sudden like people go and they're like they end up just like gatekeeping and saying you know so it's that's just kind of the whole thing what do you guys think about the potential of stream sniping like we're all gonna be on the same server pvp server yeah people are gonna stream snipe i mean that's just how it is like the thing is here so here's the thing with stream sniping like it's kind of like spurgy behavior and it's almost like lose lose a lot of times right if unless you kill them like let's say let's say you go up in a straight up 1v1 right and it's like if they're not prepared or they're not doing you know they're not doing their thing and you go up and like try and snipe them as a and you happen to kill them that's like okay yeah but like the guy was like half health he wasn't prepared like whatever right and then you have like a situation where if you go and then he beats you then you look like a moron right so then let's say you go and you have your crew and you go like with three people and kill one guy or two people and try and kill one guy and you kill him and it's like who cares like obviously you killed him you outnumbered him like severely but then like if you happen to lose or if he outsmarts you then you look like a moron right so it ends up being like really lose like it's very it's a very specific situation i think like when it feels stream sniping like it's actually like okay well yeah he whooped his ass like you know what i mean a lot of time it ends up looking bad so i don't know it's gonna happen anyway but it's just something funny and then people know right they'll see him and they'll be like oh yeah that's that jackass so and then they'll think you suck and then if you suck you know what i mean it's it's like a whole thing so yeah yeah yeah there i mean there are definitely things that you can do to minimize that like the the impact that stream sniping has in your gameplay if you are a streamer but it can definitely be annoying i mean what it like at the end of the day if it really is like a huge problem for and you and you can't you can't adjust to it like the ultimate option is just turn off your stream and like no no one like that's not ideal but if that's really what it comes down to play pve or play pv like there's or play pv yeah there's there's situations where you know like you don't want to stream like you're getting world buffs you're running into black rock mountain or you're doing a world boss you you might have to have a delay or a call for let's say you know in your 40 man raid group you might have you know six or seven people they're streaming you need to say all right everyone cover your streams for 10 minutes that's what it is and like viewers viewers are gonna have to understand that like that's just the nature of classic wow classic wow is not the most uh stream friendly game of all time but there's definitely a lot you can do that that's really fun stream content yeah like the content is fun but it's not particularly stream friendly that's a really good way of putting it cool yeah i feel like in bfa i have half the time if i'm streaming i'm just hanging out in town like talking to people so it doesn't matter what i'm doing like running an instance or just hanging out in town but uh yeah i think classic is gonna be uh it's gonna be uh it's gonna be fun it's gonna be interesting to to stream that yeah there'll be challenges there'll be points when each of us are extremely freaking frustrated i i i see a question here from patrick uh yes or no to paid server transfers i remember it was a feature before the release of tbc so yeah i think it was in 112 or 111 they added server transfers um it was only from you you you could only go pvp to pvp or pvp to pve you couldn't go pve to pvp because they didn't want people leveling up on pve servers and getting gear and transferring to pvp servers and world pvp like yeah so there was some like transfer integrity i remember there also being i want to say it was like a six month character transfer cooldown you can only transfer one character once every six months yeah i don't i don't remember what the cooldown was but there was one yeah i did it but prior you did it yeah yeah i i did it and uh i think it was like september october it was after the next patch is whenever i did it i think i did a free transfer i can't remember but i was i was alliance illed in then i went to alliance kealth is odd after the next patch so prior to the paid character transfers it was very regular they had high pop to low pop character transfers um that was common from like just like the first couple months of vanilla well but uh yeah the paid transfers came in later i think that if i think that if they're going to do them it needs to be late classic wow as they were in vanilla wow and uh they need they need to have that same like transfer integrity where you can't go you can't be like decked on a pve server and transferred to a pvp server and just stomp kids and strangle from veil because that's that's just lame you know you heard that right to stomp kids well like i i remember they didn't want people to uh this was like i specifically remember reading this and and i mean i don't know maybe kevin jordan or somebody can correct me if i'm wrong but i very specifically remember like blizzard coming out and saying they didn't want people to like be i think it was they didn't want people like who who used to play on a pvp server or pve server to go play on a pvp server and then complain about their transfer and like whine about it because they're getting ganked and stuff because they're not used to it i i i'm i maybe i'm crazy but old blizzard pepe i was like i remember them saying like they didn't want to have people be babies about it but i can't quite remember it so yeah very good yeah there he is he's there in chat there you go kevin jordan yes that was the thing there you go so yeah they're confirmed nice so yeah it was uh yeah it is it is pretty interesting um i just on my phone just turned off i had the other question now in a similar vein name changes i don't and i'm hoping to be wrong i don't think name changes were in vanilla wow uh only server transfers and so i am i don't like name changes because your name it carries such reputation in vanilla wow classic wow um let's say you ninja an item or you know you you're a dick and the entire server hates you okay name change gotta go and then you're yeah so i'm not a fan of that yeah so you agreed and yeah one of you transferred like that's probably gonna happen if somebody has your name already you're gonna have to change your name but but like in a paid name transfer situation like you don't have to do that um actually well yeah so i i yeah so just just to clarify name changes in realm transfers i'm talking same realm no realm transfer name change that's what i don't like yeah i i had a friend i had a friend in vanilla who uh i man okay so i i don't want to i don't want to give him away but uh he was a well-known rogue on the server in uh on kel'thuzad leaves transfers to another comes back to kel'thuzad afterwards with a different name and i remember whenever i saw him because he just disappeared outright and he he was kind of a meme really good player insanely good player but he was also kind of a meme just because he was a troll in a jackass i love him but that's just what he was i saw his character and i saw his character's face i swear to god i swear to god this is real and and you know maybe maybe someday he can he can attest to it but i see his character's face his character model and i whisper this guy who's only is are you are you so-and-so and he's just like and because we were friends before he was just like uh dot-to-dot yeah it was like it was just the weirdest thing like the fact that i saw somebody's character model and i recognize them but he literally transferred off and transferred back and changed his name just to basically clear his name clear his reputation just like total bastard but yeah that's a that's a real thing so was it ming i don't know no it was not ming i'm not saying who it was but it was not ming um so yeah that uh that happened on uh that that happened on kel'thuzad so yeah let's let's go ahead and take we're only going to take a few more questions here guys uh because we do have to get going um and uh i think this is a good one what percentage of classic players do you believe will be made up of private server players do you think it'll be a majority or minority this is from a raxis so i think i think it's a really good question and i think it's going to be the overwhelming minority of players who are probably like private server players right people have been playing on private service for a long time or playing on private servers before the classic announcement um just because like think about how like having the game be like retail now having the game be accessible to like everybody you know you just your sub whatever uh you don't have to go and download something through um you know some kind of uh torrent and you have to go and set up a name on like a third party thing and i uh like an account on a third party thing i think that it makes it more accessible to people whenever it's retail and i think there's going to be a lot of non private server players that uh that are that are playing classic that's what i think especially an n a for sure yeah especially yeah yeah especially n a yeah like the vast majority of private servers are composed of e you and and east asian stuff like that like in n a it's it's going to be freaking miniscule how big would you say the n a private server community is how many people it's not that big compared to e you compared to you is on a big because especially on a like you have a lot more latency compared to you because all the servers are on you it might be like a one fourth ratio or something like that you know it's definitely n a player is definitely a minority and i i think private servers as a whole especially n a like they're like less less than three percent of classic wow players will probably have a private server history like for real i think they're going to be an extreme minority extreme minority um i i think i think most people playing classic wow will be a mix of people coming back that haven't that have been totally checked out for a while and also a lot of retail players that are trying it out yeah i think a lot of people who never played classic before a lot of people who never played classic before maybe they started playing at the end of classic and they didn't get to finish i think that's that's a big thing on a lot of people's lists is like they want to go through and they want to finish i went and i did mc i went and i did bwl but i never got to go do next right that's what that's what a lot of people are probably saying or like i i started leveling but i didn't get to hit level 60 before vanilla finished right i think that's what a lot of people want to see uh a chance to get to go back and like finish the job yeah absolutely yeah definitely um this is one for me yeah now this one's just for me are you going to continue s-fan irl and maybe include tips and stay safe once classic comes back out uh yes yes i will i will be continuing s-fan irl i've got some plans for s-fan irl so yeah oh thank god we got that clear enough yeah exactly um um let's see uh did you have one stay safe there was one here yeah it's a pretty quick one i got a question for you guys do you think achievement should achievement should be a thing in classic grow i think absolutely not and uh i'm i'm thankful that the classic team feels the same way i know achievements yeah yeah it's something as awesome as like getting like the winter spring frost saber mount like just being able to like show that off in town like that's an achievement right there yeah i have to disagree personally i have to disagree uh i think achievements was is probably the best feature ever implemented in the history of wow to track your actual accomplishments before that there was there was no way i mean there's no way i could not flex my 30 000 achievement points um you know and iron forge so i i can't even fake it dude i can't even fake it dude who would ask that question honestly really hey well here's a classic cast 26 man come on dude listen listen listen i think i think one of the great things about vanilla wow is that it's sort of like a playable create your an adventure book right where you you define your own fun you define your an adventure you define your own accomplishments and i i think it's having having achievements where it's like an actual metric of things you've done i think really undermines that that like that create your an adventure gameplay right and hey i mean you know speaking of achievements being good like it made it made a whole career for asmongold so there's there's that no i think uh the as far as gameplay implications of achievements goes i think you if you have achievements in the game this is something that i remember from whenever i quit for a while and i came back for wrath of the wish king uh oh he's here okay good what's up dude so yeah um he knows he'll tell you so basically what um whenever i quit and i came back i remember link your achievement let's your gear score and all this and it's like jesus christ dude like how am i supposed to get the freaking achievement if i if i you know if i have a right we're not gonna invite me how am i gonna get the achievement and it's just like this whole line dude you gotta be freaking kidding me like it just it blows my mind like all that stuff it's it's antithetical to what classic is uh achievements all that stuff uh you should just be able to go and and your character one of you right click inspect whenever you look at a guy that's your character story right there uh the stuff that you can talk about as opposed to the stuff on a sheet absolutely and and that that like play a reputation and like okay what dildos is going on what's his name have i leveled with him have i done a pre-made with him has he been in a random battleground with me have i seen him around town you know shit talking or trolling people or is he a ninja leader have i seen people complain about him being a ninja leader look at his gear is he itemizing correctly does he have proper enchants does is he level 60 and does he have an epic mount or not you know what what sort of epic mount does he have is does he have a rank 11 pvp mount it's like all all these what are his test levels what are his testosterone levels yeah give me your blood work stuff like that like all these things factor into whether or not you would want to play with someone like if if i'm or her test levels or her test levels yes progressive um need to have very high testosterone um if i'm if i'm standing in iron fort and i'm trying to make his old grubhug and like a priest a priest approaches me and he has strength enchants like i'm not going to bring him with me right and i really like that in classical you sort of have to make like virtual eye to eye contact with someone they have to come up and slash poke you you look at you look at them they look at you you know let's say someone's advertising his old grubhug or molten core pug and i go up and i approach them i'm like yeah maybe i want to come to this and the guy leading the thing is a dumbass like okay i don't want to go to that pug anymore you know i mean it goes both ways um and having just like okay link me your achievement have you done this right before link me your achievement or link me or let me look at your gear score like that that really undermines that that like actual like virtual eye contact you have to make with something you actually have to look at them and look them up and down that's really important i completely agree squad w i think i think all that's really really important um guys i think on that note i think this was a great class cast i think we had a lot of fun today 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