 Welcome to What The F Is Going On in Latin America and the Caribbean, Codepin's weekly YouTube program of hot news out of the region. In partnership with Friends of Latin America, Massachusetts Peace Action, and Task Force on the Americas, we broadcast every Wednesday, 7.30 p.m. Eastern on Codepin YouTube blog. Today we bring you a special broadcast from Santo Tomás in Shantales, Departamento Shantales, Nicaragua. And we're broadcasting today with our guest partners, Friends of the ATC Nicaragua, and I'm happy to be back here in Santo Tomás with my friends Erica Tequeo, Friends of the ATC, and our friend from Venezuela, Carlos Rivera Valera, and we are at what Friends of the ATC calls an Ayala, and we're going to talk to you about what this project is. And I also just want to let all of you know that this is a very personal story for all three of us. We did a, well, I met Carlos last year, April, through Erica. Erica and I had a delegation here in March, March of 2021, about 12 days where we traveled across Nicaragua, Managua, Espele, Bilby, Corn Island, saw a wide variety of Nicaragua, and we were principally here to study what a sanctioned regime looks like, what the U.S. imposed sanctioned regime looks like on a country. And after the delegation, Erica brought me here to Santo Domingo, where I met Carlos, and this Ayala has gone under an enormous transformation in the last 12 months, and so I really want to share this story with you. There's a couple projects that have happened at this school in the last 12 months. One specifically was the result of our anti-sanctioned delegation last March. Yes to sovereignty, no to sanctions, I think it's what we theme the trip. And one of the projects that came out of that trip was a, what do you call it, a big, not a sister, I guess, or a water tank. And this came about specifically because of the delegation, and this was one of the days where I actually liked being on Facebook. We were over on the Caribbean coast, we were going down the river to the mouth of the Caribbean, to a community called Wawa Bar, which was destroyed by hurricanes, Eda and Ayota in November of 2020, and we were posting pictures because the government has helped that community rebuild very, very quickly, nothing compared to what New Orleans still looks like in the United States. So, one of our very generous friends living in San Francisco, for Firio Quintano and his wife, Milani, saw some of the photos from that particular day of the trip, and they had put together a hurricane relief fund for Central America, they being Hondurans. And they had identified projects in Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, and they were looking for a project in Nicaragua. They saw photos of us in Wawa Bar, and graciously and generously offered funds for Nicaragua. So part of those funds came here to where we're at today, and I just really want all of you to know this is a really wonderful and very personal experience for all three of us. So, I guess, Erika, I will introduce you to the audience. Erika runs Friends of the ATC out of Managua, Nicaragua, delegations, educational classes, and she's from the United States, Portland, Oregon, and has been living here for how long have you been here? Five years. Five years. I wanted to say, you know, it seems like you've been here forever because you're so good at what you do. And everybody knows you and loves you, so why don't you tell us about yourself a little bit and also give us a quick rundown on Friends of the ATC. Sure. So, Terry, introduce myself, Erika Chicao, a North American with also family from Japan, grew up in Portland, Oregon, and have been based here in Nicaragua since 2017, working within the International Relations Secretariat of the Associación de Trabajos del Campo, which is an organization, a historic organization in Nicaragua that represents farm workers as well as small farmers, born in the 1970s in the context of the final insurrection before the triumph of the San Luis de Popular Revolution, and has since continued to organize through a lot of different historical moments here in Nicaragua. So I work within the International Relations Team, and one of the tasks that I have that I really love is coordinating the Friends of the ATC Solidarity now, which is a network of people from all walks of life, but we especially have a lot of North Americans and a lot of young North Americans who are interested in learning more about the ATC, about Nicaragua, about the San Luis de Revolution, and so we organize a lot of activities, exchanges, do communications work, and other kinds of campaigns to share the experience of the ATC. One thing that's also important to note, because we're here in the Alh, and I'm sure Carl's will explain as well, is that the ATC in the early 1990s was a founding organization that helped to create, at the continental level, the Latin American Coordination of World Organizations, or CULOC, for its acronym in Spanish, as well as internationally La Via Campesina, which is a very well-known international social movement that coined the term food sovereignty, and La Via Campesina is the social movement that got together along with the government of Hugo Chavez in the early 2000s to found the first Iala and since then, we've been sounding other Iala. So Friends of the ATC, as a solidarity network, also organizes a lot of activities related to La Via Campesina and to Iala. And tell our audience what is an Iala. Yes, Iala, I-A-L-A, for its acronym stands for Instituto Agroecológico Latino Americano or an English Latin American Institute of Agroecology. And there's nine throughout? Yeah. There are currently nine schools throughout the continent. One here? One here. It's one of the newer Ialas, and there are also, we have the first Iala was in Venezuela. We have Ialas in Chile, Argentina, two in Brazil, let's see, Colombia, Paraguay, there's a related agroecology school in Tuba, and there are a few emerging Ialas in Mexico and the Dominican Republic. Oh, how exciting. So before I introduce Carlos to all of you, I want to just make a special point. Erika has said she's from North America, as am I. And I think this is something that we really, really need to accentuate. And because here we are, Erika and I both being from the United States, which is part of North America, we are sitting in Central America, in Nicaragua, and Carlos is Venezuelano and he is from South America. So we are all from America, just North, Central, South America, and I just think that's really important for us to keep reinforcing that with the North American audience, that the United States alone is not America, the United States is one country in North America, and again we're sitting in Central America and we are representing the United States and Venezuela, which is South America. So this is kind of fun, that we have a good part of the hemisphere represented in this episode. So sitting next to me is our good friend, our good Venezuelan friend, Carlos Rodriguez Valera. And he is the principal educator and manager of the Ayala that we are at here in Santo Domingo. And so we are going to have Carlos speak with you in Spanish, Erika is going to translate. So Carlos, tell us a story about this Ayala and its history, too, since Venezuela first. Mucho gusto. Mi nombre es Carlos Rodriguez, Venezuelano, yo viví en la región Yanera, en el estado de Portuguesa y hoy estoy acá en Nicaragua. Pero todavía mientras estaba en Venezuela logré ser parte de la construcción del Ayala Pablo Freire. El Ayala Pablo Freire es el primer Ayala en América Latina. Ese Ayala se creó a través de reuniones y reuniones de dirigentes y dirigentes de la clovia campesina que venían en esa idea de construir un espacio donde hijos e higas de campesino y afrodescentientes tuvieran la oportunidad de estudiar en un espacio diferente a una universidad convencional. Voy a travesar aquí. So nice to meet you all. My name is Carlos, I'm from Venezuela. I'm originally from the Yanera region, the Portuguesa state in Venezuela, where I had the opportunity to participate in the construction of the Ayala, the Pablo Freire Ayala, which is the first Ayala that existed. And this first Ayala was created out of a series of meetings with social movement leaders from clovia campesina with the idea of building a school for sons and daughters of peasants and afrodescented peoples to study in a space that was different than a conventional university. A space where we could have young people who come with ancestral knowledge, knowledge of communities, knowledge of their parents who have been campesina all their life, a space where they would come to contribute to those knowledge and not a space where they would come to castrate their knowledge of origin, their ancestral knowledge. Okay, so this space was meant to be a space for young people to come with the ancestral knowledge that they had, knowledge from the community, knowledge from their peasant parents to be able to contribute knowledge rather than a place where their knowledge was taken away from them. It's a space that was first envisioned by La Via Campesina, but it was also shared vision with the president at that time, Hugo Chavez. When it comes to that humanistic initiative, that political initiative, that productive initiative, that ancestral initiative with all that methodology that brought the creation of this idea, which is now the most important political formation space in the region, he knows the project and immediately gives him the opportunity to create it and the best conditions at that moment was Venezuela. So there was a meeting that took place in Brazil where La Via Campesina had the chance to speak to President Hugo Chavez and Chavez learning about this project that was a humanist project, a political project, a project focused on food production as well as an ancestral project that saw that it was a very important, perhaps the most important project for political and ideological training in the region and presented this opportunity to build the Iala in one of the most important places in Venezuela. We had representatives from Mexico to Panama and from Colombia to Argentina, we had delegations from all the countries of Latin America, having as fruit or as harvest graduates in number of 64, 64 people were graduated in that Iala, Paulo Freire was born through the Iala Campesina initiative and supported by Comandante Hugo Chavez. So in 2005 is when the Iala, Paulo Freire was inaugurated and they sent out an opening for young people from Latin America, all the way from Mexico to Panama, from Colombia to Argentina, all of the countries from Latin America were represented and the fruits or the harvest of Paulo Freire was the first graduating class of 64 students which represents this agreement historically between La Via Campesina and President Hugo Chavez. So being there at the Iala gave a chance to get to know what is this project of all of the Iaras and I saw that it was a very positive initiative, it was a very political initiative, it was a very productive initiative, born out of La Via Campesina and social movements, focusing on strengthening social movements, a place where youth can go and train in agroecology, in ideology and to strengthen the struggle in defense of our presidency. So this was, this is a space to decolonize our way of thinking, to train ourselves, to strengthen ancestral knowledge that we already have and the first 64 graduates that were part of that first graduating class were from the Iala, Paulo Freire, from the Iala, Paulo Freire, from the Iala, Paulo Freire. So this was, this is a space to decolonize our way of thinking, to train ourselves, to strengthen ancestral knowledge that we already have and the first 64 graduates that were part of that first graduating class, young people all return to their home countries to share this experience of Iala with others. So that's why, as Terry said, we now have more than nine Ialas throughout Latin America and they're all coordinated by young people who graduated from Iala, Paulo Freire. Yes, and now these nine Ialas are still in the struggle, are still in the formation. To mention and mention some of them, we have Eliella Maria Cano in Colombia, we have Eliella Guarani in Paraguay, Eliella de Mujeres in Chile, Escuela de Agroecología de Cuba, the Ialas that we have in Brazil, in Argentina and our Iala, Iala Ichimuleo for the Mesoamerican region, Ichimuleo in Idioma Maya Quiches significa Tierra de Maíz, ya nos encontramos acá y nosotros nacemos en el 2018 y ya en el 2022 ya iniciamos con la tercera corte, eso fruto o esa iniciativa política de la vía campesina y acompañada de nuestro líder de América o uno de nuestros líderes de América Hugo Chávez hoy en día muestra que es una de las mejores escuelas para masificarla, para trabajar la agroecología y fortalecer el pensamiento ideológico. Okay, so there's now nine Ialas that are all part of the struggle, we have the Iala Maria Cano that's in Colombia, Iala Guarani that's in Paraguay, an Iala for women in Chile, there's an agroecologist going Cuba and we also have Ialas in Brazil as well as Argentina and then we have our Iala which is called Iala Ichimuleo here in Mesoamerica. Ichimuleo means land of corn in Maya Quiche and that's where we are right now. This Iala was born in 2018 and now in 2022 we're about to start our third cohort of students and these all represent the fruits of la vía campesina, of course accompanied by important leaders like Hugo Chávez and it shows and now we can show that we are one of the most important schools in the region for massifying agroecology and also for promoting ideology. Can I ask you a question? Well, there's a couple of things when we were, Carlos was giving me an updated tour of the Iala today and there's so much that has happened since we toured a year ago, April. One of the things that I was able to witness today is there is a class in Susanao with 18 women attending and women from Dominican Republic, from Mexico, Panama, Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, seven countries. And so this was really, really wonderful to sit in on one of their classes earlier today and see just the training and education of women, their desire to be here and work in this particular space and just the empowerment of women throughout Central and South America and the Caribbean. So it's really very inspiring to be here. And also when we were touring some of the crops, Carlos mentioned the term milpa and so I wonder if you could, because that is also something we're going to be studying in Honduras next week. I'm going to give her a way where we're going to do next week. Yes, true. I'm mentioning that I was on the tour today, that I learned a lot, I saw the changes of her previous visit and I had the opportunity to see that right now there's a class of 18 women from seven countries, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Panama, Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala. It's something very interesting, the training of women, their interest in being here and the empowerment of women in Central America, South America and the Caribbean. If you could comment on something and in the tour you mentioned the concept of milpa. So if you could explain a little bit what milpa is because it's going to Honduras next week and they're also going to be talking about it. Yes, well for us in this space, in this physical space of the Agroecological Institute and the ICHI Muleo, it's, let's say, opportunity to have visits and to have sequences of the training sessions in this space. We're here in the second school of agroecological women from Mesoamerica and the Caribbean where we're sharing, debating experiences from their places of origin, for example, very rich and very productive experiences of the co-workers of Guatemala. Everything that is developed at an organizational level, at a productive level with the co-workers, the co-workers of Mexico, the struggle that the Mexicans have with all those problems that happen in the processes, the same with the co-workers of El Salvador, the co-workers of Honduras and the co-workers of Panamá. Experience is very rich in this space because here we've also developed productive experiences, also political experiences that we can carry out. We talk about the popular education, we talk about the knowledge in construction, it's not me who knows everything, but the debate about the strategic points for the development of these processes is collective. It's to put a point and enter into debate through the different types of thinking or the position of the co-workers that visit us. That's what we want to enrich, enrich the knowledge and deliver new tools to co-workers so that we can continue to engage in the struggle and strengthen our basic processes in our organization and our countries of origin. Okay, so in this physical space that we're at right now, that's part of Iali Tumaleo, we think it's really important for people to come to visit us and also for us to have a sequence of training processes. So right now what's taking place is the second school of agroecological women where people share and debate about their experiences from the places where they're coming from. So we have really interesting experiences from food production and from organizing in Guatemala, experiences in the struggle of all the problems that are being faced in Mexico, also experiences from El Salvador, Honduras and Panama. And these are lots of very rich experiences that are also combined with the experiences in food production as well as the political experiences here that we have at our school that we also want to continue to screen them. Here we use the methodology of popular education, understanding that it's not like I know everything, but our knowledge is a process of construction. We share what we know, we enter and debate, and also we share the knowledge of those who visit us. So the idea is to strengthen the knowledge that we all have as well as provide different tools to strengthen the struggle and the different kinds of grassroots organizing that we are all doing. It's so powerful. So there's a couple things that, when I hear this that I'm thinking about, one is just, let's have Carlos tell us, just let's talk about food production, the food production skills that are being taught because they are ancestral food production techniques, not just the crops but the actual techniques and the usable ones. How that's all thought out and integrated. Okay. If you could explain a little bit about what they teach here about food production, how to promote ancestral practices, how they are working here with the land, with the soil, that kind of management. Yes, first I would like to mention that we are in Nicaragua, as I have already said, Nicaragua is a country with a very productive culture, a culture of peasants and peasants who work on the land. That makes Nicaraguanians sovereign. Here in Nicaraguanian culture, 92% of their basic diet, so there's no risk in terms of production unless there are natural phenomena like hurricanes, droughts, etc. So that makes it easy to bring friends or friends to get to know this place, to get to know Nicaragua, the productive Nicaragua, the solidary Nicaragua. Here in Eliala, we met at a farm that five years ago, it was very poorly treated with livestock work. First of all, like Terry said, we are in Nicaragua, which is a country that has a whole culture of producing food and where peasants work the land. In fact, about 92% of what is consumed by Nicaraguans in their diet is produced here, and there's not really a risk of going hungry except for in the case of phenomena like hurricanes or droughts. Climate change issues. So that makes it really easy to bring people from other places to this Nicaragua is very productive and also in solidarity. So this farm that we're on was a place where we started to work five years ago, and it was in really bad shape due to the livestock and the ways in which livestock were raised here. In the soil, the movement of the land through the production of dirt, camels, sometimes we also do intensive work, that way we've been creating conditions for the plants because we base ourselves on the following. We not only want to harvest fruits, but we also want to harvest soil. So that's our goal, to improve the land so that our fruits can be of even greater quality. This soil is compact, it's over-tissue, it's a specialist soil, especially good for graminias, in the case of corn, pasta, rice, and we've tried to convert it into a fairly comfortable space to fertilize, to fertilize, different crops, also like in the case of beans. So with cultural activities, with knowledge that supports the companions who come from different places from Nicaragua, companions from different places in the region, we've been collecting all the aspects that they've valued about the space and in that way, together with those knowledge, we've been improving the structure of the soil. Because here, as I said, the soil is heavy, when it rains, when the soil is hard, we've been incorporating organic matter through the ester core, but we also use green soap to protect the soil and not to have problems with the hydric erosion, the eolic erosion, and in that way we can establish a bed that can amortize all those problems that we have during the winter and during the summer. So we've incorporated a wide different range of practices here, including limiting tilling, integrating manure into the fields and creating different kinds of beds, including bi-intensive beds, and this is all focused on the idea that the plants can grow better. We also talk about not just thinking about harvesting fruits, but also being able to harvest soil. Because if you have soil that is in better health, then you'll have fruits that are in better health. So here in this farm, we have soil that is really, really compact, that historically was used to grow different kinds of I don't know how to say in English, but basically corn, grasses, and rice. But we also want this space to be adapted to be able to grow different kinds of vegetables, fruits, beans, and so the Nicaraguan students who are here as well as students that have come from the region have all contributed to different kinds of cultural practices that we can use on the soils. And these have all contributed to improving the quality of the soil here. Like I said, the soil here is very heavy and when it rains it basically turns into mud. When it dries, it dries up and basically kind of like a cracked earth. And so we've been working really hard to apply more or build up more organic matter through the use of manure, green manures, cover crops, also to be able to protect the soil so that it's not exposed and to prevent different types of erosions and mean that the soil can confront a wide range of climates that it faces. So it's non-chemical farming. You probably all picked up on that. It's non-chemical farming. It's totally organic. Two things that I learned today on top of my visit last year was and I was just thinking in terms of animal husbandry this was just a wonderful thing when we were touring the different plots or different segments for crops. The segment of land right now being that's going to be improved for growing grasses for livestock. And that plot of soil is between I think we were seeing Kalabasa squash and beans and then there was this area that's going to be grass for the livestock and then next to that is where all the banana trees are growing. Where the grass is being grown and where the livestock is going to graze is under trees so that the livestock is in shape throughout the day. And it's like how reasonable is that and how humane is that. It was just like a natural like of course you would do this. And so that was just so wonderful to see. And then the other thing that Carlos shared with me and I think we talked about this last year as well is that the surrounding land not just the land that's actually cultivated at this Ayala is part of husbandry of the land and part of keeping the finca itself in good health and that means taking care of the plants and animals birds, trees that surround the farm and so it's very healthy I don't know what wilderness surrounding the farm in which birds feed in which bees are freely creating honey. There's monkeys that live here that eat the bananas and so it's a completely integrated natural experience with the food production and a complete respect for the natural order of nature. And humans being part of it not in control of all of it. The integration is just such a wonderful thing and it is one of the best practices that we have lost with mechanized and industrial and chemical farming and it's a really, really, really beautiful project. She said that she wanted to share two things that she learned during today's journey and also in the last year. First that you taught us an area where they are going to sow grass but on the side of this they are planting fertilizers for example which is the food for the people that are here and on the other side is the moussasia and in that place where there's the grass there's a place where there can be the cattle under the shade which is something so logical and so human for the animals that live in this farm. This farm is located around the farm a part of something really important in that sense of taking care of the land taking care of the nature is that there's a focus on taking care of the plants the animals, the birds and everything that is around the farm where the birds have to eat the beans can produce honey the monkeys come to eat two bananas so it's a very integrated system where there is already respect for nature and the system is achieved where the human beings are part of nature they are a part and here you see a lot of ancestral farming that has been lost in many places with the introduction of a very mechanized very industrial very based on chemistry so those are the two things that she wanted to share So I wonder in the last few minutes that we have we should talk about the international projects that have been introduced and completed since we all three were here in April of 2021 because there's some really significant changes that have been allowed to happen here because of donations and projects envisioned by Carlos and other international solidarity groups and again one of the projects was this water tank that was was the result of a donation from our friends in San Francisco Porfirio and Marlene who saw the need after the hurricanes in November of 2020 so a huge shout out to them but also to friends of the ATC and several other groups who have helped with the water tank, with the irrigation and with the electricity so let's talk about the international involvement in this project in this yellow so in the last few minutes that we have, it would be important to talk a little about some international projects that have been or that have been done in the last few years that delivered many new changes and big thanks to different donations different ideas worked here also with the support of different solidarity groups a recipe was the tank of a group of comrades who come from San Francisco after the hurricanes but also are the suggestions that friends of ATC and other groups with the irrigation, the tank and the electricity system so if you could comment a little about those advances first, when Perri mentioned the integration the diversity of crops that we are implementing here in Eliala there is a very important point and it is the animal integration of the crop system because capitalism taught us or continues to say that the cow has to be in a place without trees crops have to be on the other side fruits on the other side so everything is separated so our ancestors or ancestors did not practice in that agriculture they practiced a more integral agriculture where in a space you could have a lot of diversity of animal species and also species in my case of ostriches and crops for human consumption so here in Eliala we are working on the animal integration of the crop system that's why we want to see the Parcel system where Peresedero crops have won and on the other side the Musassia, accompanied by the Vivero where they are going to reproduce the crops says the companion Marlen Sanchi let's say to the people who come here that it is not the ostrich over there and this hole over here has to have diversity and that is very important to fight the natural phenomena that we are affected in some seasons having different crops in different places allows us that if the ostrich affected the tree well we have corn over here or we have another crop that can sustain us in that moment where we are lost because of the ostriches so, Erika ok so first of all I wanted to say one thing in relation to what Teria was saying is that here on the farm what we have been working on is integrating animals into crop systems including a wide range of crops because capitalism tells us that we have to have our cows over here in one section without any trees the fruit crops have to be in one area the trees have to be in one specific area and then we have to have our vegetable crops our ancestors didn't practice agriculture that way they had a lot of different things in one space including the integration of animals and crops so what we are doing here in Niala is exactly this the integration of animals in with our crops so we have for example our livestock with our different banana crops we also have the nursery and as our comrade Marlon St. just says here in Niala what we have to do and what we have to tell others is that where there's space to grow something we want to do if there's space to grow beans and vegetables together we'll do that we have to be able to grow in a diverse way and that's really important when there's different it's very very important to have different kinds of crops because if any kinds of phenomena come to affect us we'll be more resilient so for example if the hurricane comes and affects my beans I'll still have my corn in another area because I have a diversified farm see you later that oxygen to that to that help that you give us for our local development at the level of our institute and thanks to those donations that you have done that we give you the thanks in the name of this institute we have been able to solve the problem that we had with the electric system here in Niala now with that donation we have electricity in all the infrastructure and that has made or has achieved the distribution of the water system an automatic pump that allows us to have the tank always full it takes us to have results like sending water to the buildings to the crops and a achievement that we made recently was to be able to bring the water to the cattle that also came to favor to have repaired the electric system we have the tank as the partner said a new tank that is also collected with his hearts with his help to strengthen the solidarity that we have also achieved let's say to overcome that problem of water supply and also all the work that we have done to get there and to execute the way that we really we present to you not using incorrect but trying to maximize those resources that we know with all the effort and with all the heart that you send them here so now to talk about the international support then in solidarity as we say the solidarity is the tenderness of our peoples that comes a lot from different comrades from the United States from Europe who really care a lot about the work that's happening here that feel connected to the work and want to give support for the development that's taking place here at a local level at our YALA so we want to say thank you on behalf of our whole institution for this kind of support thanks to these donations and to our system so that there's now high quality electricity distributed throughout the farm which has also helped us improve our system for distributing water because we now have an automatic pump to take water out of the well into the tank and distribute the water to our different buildings here our different crops as well as to our livestock which is a new also as Terry mentioned thanks to your support we also have a new water tank which we know these funds were raised with from the bottom of your hearts lots of work which has helped us overcome a lot of challenges that we had with storing up water so we also want everyone to know that these kinds of donations resources arrive and are executed using being as efficient as possible using the resources as we as we explain to everyone the funds have been very well thought out how they're invested here I guess for me I will say this has so much to do with Carlos and Erica it's an extreme honor and it's a very rare opportunity where you as a delegation with someone as wonderful as Erica and we had 12 I think 12 or 13 with this March of last year and to study things and to have you know donations come out of just watching our daily posts on Facebook to have a delegation of people inspire the public to that extent is a really unique and very profound experience for all of us and now to have the opportunity to come back and actually see the fruits of all the labor from that particular delegation to the people who traveled with us on that delegation to Carlos and all the people who work with him at the Iyala it's a pretty unique and a very profound experience to have had and I just feel so fortunate to you know to be able to work with you Erica and to have met Carlos who knows you know I love Venezuela so and now Nicaragua too so so is there anything that you want to say before we close our episode? Maybe Terry if I could just say for you know our friends watching this program and listening to the program that we invite people to come to Nicaragua and in fact later this year in June of this year we're going to be hosting through Friends of the ATC an agricultural brigade in which people from all walks of life can come and see their own eyes what Iyala is like participate in the work here go out and work in the fields maybe milk some cows and so the information that we have maybe Terry can post it I'll put it in the comments on this episode as well as you can visit friendsatc.org and where can where can our audience make donations? Also on Friends ATC yes maybe Terry can help us put a link on the website sorry on the YouTube but friendsatc.org is also another place where you can directly make donations and what would you like to say in the comment in the final well my final comment is that we are still friends of these people who fight of these people who today defend their culture their productive culture their ancestral culture of these people who today also defend their own processes their revolutionary processes of better ecological formation and tell you that in Nicaragua, Venezuela and Cuba and the rest of Latin America we hope that you visit us and receive us with all the love and affection that we have as people and thanks to you for that international solidarity that you have with these people that make the donation that they fight against that enemy of us through our formation and through the of the culture that we have of working on the land we will continue to defend these fighting processes a greeting and we are in full communication so thank you so much for continuing to be in solidarity our friends with in solidarity with and struggle with peoples who have their culture of producing food that are carrying out their own processes their own revolutionary processes that are also leading different processes in political training and in agroecological training on behalf of the peoples of Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba we hope that you will visit us we'll receive you with lots of care and lots of love and again thanks for the international solidarity that in this common struggle a common struggle against a common enemy through training and through the culture of working the land we can defend our own processes and greetings thank you so much I just want to remind our audience that you've been watching what the F is going on in Latin America and the Caribbean CodePink's weekly YouTube program we broadcast typically every Wednesday today you've been watching a special broadcast from Nicaragua also you can catch our program on Apple Podcasts and Spotify and don't forget to listen to CodePink Radio which broadcasts every Thursday morning 11am Eastern on WBAI New York City and WPFW Washington DC CodePink Radio is also available on Apple Podcasts and Spotify so thank you everyone and be sure to watch us next week and thank you to Carlos and Erika for a very special conversation I will