 This is covering the spread part of the Fandall podcast network Most of the key free agents across the NFL have now found a variant new teams and it is time to break down What it all means from a futures betting perspective? We have Ryan Williams on today talking about the key signings What it all means and trying to identify some values in the futures market of Fandall sports book later on I'll talk some NASCAR in Bristol to round things out This is covering the spread right here on the Fandall podcast network and Fandall research My name is Jim Sonnis. I am a managing editor of digital media for Fandall research Join you to kick things off by Ryan Williams check him out on Twitter at Ryan Alexander underscore w Ryan It is a delight to have you on the show for today. How you doing? I'm doing great Jim It's always a delight to be on with you given the covering the spread family Some of our some of our takes which can be hot and spicy at times. We kind of talked pretty show I think I got some spicy ones today, but we'll see. This is the best time, right? It's it's so fun You had asked me about when was the best time to be on and at Monday I was kind of already kicking myself because I was like man Maybe I should have told Jim Tuesday or Wednesday seeing how this tampering period has gone But no, I think we've had a lot of stuff come to the fold which has made a lot of stuff interesting The books are you know putting out some some fun lines for us to get on at this point in time So happy to chop it up with you Yeah I mean the in number of signings that occurred Monday was aggressive because like I have my wind total model built out But that means that every time there is a signing I have to like go Subtract that player from the team that he left and add them to the other team So it's like two levels. I have two separate models because I found that like blending the two together is going to be The best result so I have to run two at the same time Which means I have to update like Bobby Wagner leaves the Seahawks Update the Seahawks in one model Seahawks in the second model commanders in one model and commanders in the second model and It took me an hour Yesterday to get through all this stuff and that was after I'd already gotten through all the Monday and Tuesday stuff So it's like I don't got time for all this. They got to slow down at some point Yeah, and it is interesting, you know, I think the NFL as they always do they'll look at things. They'll kind of you know Way the pros and cons etc But you know, I've seen it. I've seen it both ways I mean the tampering period is fun because it gives us, you know Three-day period of all this news that kind of makes stuff relevant for the fantasy players Dynasty players etc as we gear up for the draft is the NFL's 24 7365 it turns out to be But you know, it does kind of I've seen the other side too because you know You have this legal tampering period and we're already seeing the Eagles being hit with, you know Some type of discrepancy on when they knew that was going to happen Second he signs with the Eagles, you know, given the way those two teams feel about each other You knew something was gonna happen. Oh, absolutely, you know, and it's got it, you know, it's kind of the the thing that you get there I mean legal legal tampering period. It's kind of a juxtaposition But but it's been fun man And I'm and I'm happy to be able to have some things come to fruition to be able to talk to you about And we're gonna break that down here in a second to let you know where Ryan sees value and talk about his thoughts and the key Signings in just one second a first-day reminder to make sure you're subscribed to covering the spread wherever you would get your Podcast you can find us wherever you get your podcast by searching for covering the spread You like what you hear hit subscribe and leave a five-star rating and review over an Apple podcast or Spotify as well You can also find this show on the Fandal YouTube page and a Fandal TV plus tomorrow We're talking more men's college basketball conference tournaments talking to rally Thomas of Fandal Fandal research We had Aiden Cotter on yesterday. He went seven for seven. So gotta live up to the hype there Live up to the billing of the Fandal research team going hard at college basketball That's tomorrow along with some EPL the Austin cast as well Let's begin things here Ryan by talking about the Falcons and it's a move we discussed a couple weeks ago And we talked then we said it's hard to get too high on the Falcons partly because they hadn't officially signed cousins yet, but also because There are decent teams in the nsc south I know what the reputation of that division is but like the bucks are okay The saints are okay And now the Falcons with cousins officially signed are minus 110 to win this division. So I can't get there personally, but I wanted to ask you Are you willing to buy into the Falcons now that the cousins deal is official? Yes and no, I mean again you we and we just talked about this Jim I feel like I'm at what was that last week or the last time that I was on the show This number while it could feel right like there's gonna be so much that changes over the course of time that to be able to lock yourself in When these other teams are sitting at three to one or higher Just doesn't feel right like I this is a number at minus 110 that I could see us You know still being able to get you know, you see how the season's playing out, you know in week four Week eight some some something like that. We see how much this can change All the way through the course of time. I think right now if you like that number, that's fair But you know, I would be looking at shots on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers I mean this team is invested in bringing the the pieces back to do another run at it I mean, they're whatever a couple plays away from being the nfc championship You know this past year paying Baker bringing back Mike Evans I like what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have done and so I don't know that the Atlanta Falcons are that much better than them As it currently stands right now with Kirk Cousins, you know, you're looking at a guy journeyman Coming off of the Achilles, right? I believe And you know at his time with Washington and with Minnesota, you're looking at a division winner only two times He was once with Washington once with Minnesota So it's not like this is a guy who comes in and kind of changes wins, you know all all of a sudden I do like it from an offensive standpoint I do like it from the trajectory of the Falcons But I still want to be able to see it on paper before I'm locking in the number like this when we're talking about Division winners, you know in in March. Yeah, I agree with you like You think about inflection points in the NFL in spots where a number changes drastically I think with the Falcons having sign cousins, there are no close inflection points in the schedule So what incentive do you have to buy them now when you could potentially buy them later? I think that's a really smart way to think about things Ryan what you were saying there because it's probably not going to get shorter and When you place a futures bet, you're you're effectively just like loading out that money and you could like instead just like You can invest it or something, you know Make that whatever money you're going to put on that that minus 110 bet Put it in the stock market for a bit and then bet the Falcons minus 110 later on So I don't think this number is going to shorten. So I agree with you and I also agree with you like from a team perspective putting philosophical stuff aside Like I kind of think the Saints are undervalued. Um, my win total model likes them I hate the fact that it likes them Makes me want to vomit because like I saw says our Ruiz and like they're They're offensive linemen yelling at Derek Carr last year. I I hate the vibes around this team But also like they haven't lost that many key players So and they've got it's an efficient quarterback with chrysalavine or shijji like I don't know man, like it's it's tough for me to get to minus 110 for the Falcons even there I think two teams who are legitimate You know not I would say legitimate peers in that division is what I would say Yeah, no I know that makes a ton of sense Jim and and you know just to kind of put it into a different perspective here Like when we're looking at division winners, um and where the odds stand right now Like the Falcons are the third highest favorite or however you want to word that like only the chiefs and the 49ers have better or have Worst odds to win the division however you want to put it that way Um, it's it's kind of crazy to think about and this happens though because of the the nature of the news Coming in and and where bets are going and kind of how to put that in perspective Everybody else, you know as the division winners are seeing plus money So that's what makes me want to stay away from Atlanta as well Well, one of the divisions where there is no team, uh, that is a runaway favorite is the nsc north And this is a fascinating division from top to bottom the alliance of the favorites of plus 130 by the Packers brought in Xavier McKinney, uh, they got Josh Jacobs think that's kind of a you know Parallel or you know a horizontal move for there with with erin jones Your bear is probably getting Caleb williams. Uh, they're plus 450 and then the vikings You know Maybe not there's a sam darl but that defense is pretty good brian floris is still there and they've got good weapons So I think this is a fascinating division from top to bottom ryan What's your read on the hierarchy in the nsc north as things currently stand? Yeah, I think they I really do think that they got it spot on Um, honestly and you know not to let the homerism kind of Shake out or or to placate that at all to breathe the vikings if it if it wasn't for sam darnold Like I think we'd be getting a better price on or we are getting a pretty decent price But I think they'd be higher than the bears, uh as they currently stand because that's really the only police They make they made so much so many moves, you know to kind of bolster the defense and bringing in erin jones like If they still had curt cousins like we'd be looking at this team completely different Um, they do have a chance to still make a splash on draft day as well too, which kind of you know, put some in the mix I think this division will be super super fun super competitive next year But I think the prices are right, um, you know, it is going to be tough to You know when you're looking at the chicago bears I mean they've just been in the doldrums of of this division as far as like third or fourth For quite some time now and but you know bringing in calo williams if they're able to bring in a wide receiver They still might not be done. We're free agent signings I mean they they definitely are trying to you know make moves And I think it's interesting for these other three teams outside of detroit that we can see that teams are preparing for You know battling detroit to be able to take on this division They are you know bolstering the bolstering the defense up bolstering offense to be able to you know, keep up with these guys And uh, you know, you really like to see that kind of turnaround there, but I think the market is appropriately Fair on all of these teams and and those sportsbook has it right right now I don't see an edge to any one of these teams at this point in time That's where I'm at too not only leaping to grab anyone I think if I had any interest to be in green bay at uh plus 200 I think that that's a good number for them given how fish and jordan love was Defense has some decent pieces to it too So if I were to bet this division it'd be on the packers, but I'm okay holding off on that for right now Let's talk about the eagles no longer having jason kelsey no more fletcher cox, but they did add sequin barkley You mentioned the tampering stuff with that potentially But they added brice hop as well pretty good pass rusher on lay downs cj gardener johnson back with the eagles They're plus 135 to win the nsc east. Where are you on the eagles after all the moves? They've made this off season Yeah, they they they've made some impressive moves. I mean, they're bringing back You know cj as you mentioned on the defense aside bringing in the sequin is going to be huge. I do think that He he is an upgrade to deandre swift as I you know, we have deandre swift in chicago now, so that's fun But you know, I think the the thing about it gem and you know not to get too too nerdy your analytical or like, you know Hypothetical theoretical every want to put it But there's not have been a division winner repeat in the nfc east since 2004 Back when surprise andy reid was coaching the eagles and they were you know dominating the nfc east We've seen a different division winner every year Since then and with the you know with the I believe the cowboys just won it last year So yeah, it could be prime for for the eagles to come in and you know Make that make that narrative reign true yet again I don't think at this point in time the giant the giants definitely don't have enough firepower It seems like they're going to be rolling it back with daniel jones's contract is pretty much immovable And the commanders just they have too many needs and pieces To be able to make a run for it So you're looking at those top two pieces and like You know if it if it's flip a coin on either one of these two teams actually, you know Right now the eagles are the better team like on paper. I mean the cowboys have gotten significantly worse They've lost their center. They've lost their running back. They've lost pieces on defense and and possibly tyron smith Which we know he adds significant Wind shares to to their to their bottom line. So right now I'd be willing to take the eagles at plus 135 over the cowboys Yeah, the offensive line is the biggest concern for me with the cowboys Given that like you said tyron smith sounds like he's probably going to go elsewhere There have been some jets rumblings, which I think would be kind of fun to see him out there and like Yeah, they can slide tyler smith out to left tackle but like what do you do with the rest of that offensive line because Gotta feel left guard. They lost their their center as well. So like That's tough given that we saw the cowboys often struggle most last year when they were missing One of those pieces along the offensive line. So I think it's a concern. I like the cowboys in general But that is that's concerning for sure My thing with the eagles is I need them to pick up the defense more because like the bryce house signing It seems to me to signal They're going to probably trade one of their other defensive linemen And then cj gardener johnson like is a good player But it's benefits we seem to be like an impact player because of all the injuries he had last year So I think the offense will be fine. I think seguan's a good fit there I think that we'll see jail and herds bounce back given that he's got really good pass catchers out there I just think this defense still sucks. So I'm not going to bet this division because I have concerns about the cowboys, but I think the defense sucks to the eagles So I'm going to hold off on on diving in here too much is because I have concerns about Those two things enough to the point where I can't really buy into any one team just yet So the falcons are like the obvious team ryan is a team that got the biggest boost up But let's disregard the falcons for a second any other teams that have gotten big boosts for you across the first week of free agency Yeah, big big boost. Um, I'm not really sure if we're at that point in time just yet There's been some intriguing a boost in one offs But I do like um what houston's been doing uh on on their side and I think you know when we're looking at the futures market You know and maybe super bowl isn't there isn't there time right now, but I think you know Taking shots of them to be afc champion at 11 to 1 like let's let's roll with it I mean they they have the quarterback. Um, you love the Exactly what they're doing on defense. I mean getting daniel hunter in there with with will understand is going to be Just lights out. Um, so I do like taking shots On on houston futures at this point in time because they're boost up I mean the crazy long shot right now in my opinion jim, which it's hard to take any futures on them But I do think the price is Not going to be any better is the los vegas raiders. Oh like Antonio pierce is out there, you know, and let's call it what it is Maybe it's coach speak and maybe it's just you know, he's coming in and first thing But you know the the one thing about the pierce being the head coach there is the team has bought in And the moves that they've been making Um aligned with the fact, you know, hey, we're going to be hitting the quarterbacks in the mouth We're coming in we're building this team to be able to stop at your mom's like what they're doing on defense Kind of proves that I mean the christian wilkins signings was huge Um, I still think they have the ability to kind of bolster The the offense a little bit and I don't think that they're out of the equation to have a change at the quarterback position Whether that be in the draft Possibly be trading for justin fields. I mean, you know, I think there's a lot of potential with this raiders team And maybe you know thinking about futures this year is a year too early But I think they are the fun ones to kind of watch and say like hey If they start making some significant moves here like the number is going to jump on them drastically So just to be able to get you know a shot on them, you know at 40 to 1, you know to win the a of c I mean that's kind of crazy But you know, I don't think that they can win the division necessarily But if they get into the playoffs and kind of have a chance, I think that's an interesting one I think with the defense too, it's not hypothetical with them They showed the defense can be really good down the stretch of last year And those are that wilkins now you have wilkins on the defensive line paired with max crossby And a defense that was good last year for the whole season now becomes one. That's very interesting so I I don't know if I can get to to 40 to 1 to win the a of c but like when their win total comes out I'm very curious where it settles in because garden minchee was severely limited But he's better than aiden o'connell at least so there is that and I think this defense will be very good. So I think when we're talking like totals early on the year Unders on the raiders probably going to be pretty lively Obviously depend on the market, but like I like this defense a lot. I like what they've done I like what you said the mentality with pierce. So I don't mind it I think it does make sense to at least look their direction given that this defense is one I fully buy into and honestly like a lot of When we're looking at a lot of teams that I'm lower on Then what I think the market will be at for wind totals this year a lot of it is because of defense like the eagles I think just their defense is rough. So like I might be on undrawn them, but like with the raiders That's not a concern at all. It's all about the offense trying to shore that out via the draft and other stuff Absolutely. No, yeah, and I mean this is one where you know If no moves happen like the ticket's gonna be dead and you just kind of right you take that for what it is But if moves move in your favor, I don't think the number is going to You know, you're not going to get a better number than that at this point in time. So that's just a fun one to have I told you spicy gem. That's what I love it. I love it. You did not disappoint with the spiciness I'll talk about spiciness on the opposing side here. Any teams are knocking down whether due to questionable moves they made You know lack of moves players they've lost in the process any teams you're downgrading through this process right now Yeah, I mean if we look at the state and you know hate to keep it on the afc But like the teams who are supposedly supposed to be competing with Kansas City at the top What are we doing? I mean the Baltimore Ravens like getting Derek Henry. I think that's a huge boost to the to the offense there Granted that he just turned 30 in january But if he can stay healthy and I don't think that they're gonna, you know, give him 300 carries or what have you To you know, the lesson is lowered a little bit, especially with lemar being there. So that that'll help Kind of bounce things out but on defense, you know, they're they're losing so many key pieces That that definitely has caused for concern Especially when you're you know kind of Taking into the fact that this Baltimore Ravens defense has not been able to stay healthy Over the past couple of seasons. So, you know, you want all the depth that you can get From that team the Buffalo Bills I mean losing pieces on both the offense and the defense aside of the ball It's still you know, still got Josh Allen still got Stefan Diggs Still have a couple playmakers there and still Buffalo, but you know, I still don't think that they should be You know, when I'm looking at this kind of state I'm looking at the Buffalo Bills being at plus 650 when the AFC Cincinnati to be you know, plus 700 to win the AFC and they definitely have some moves going on That are going to change their, you know, landscape drastically would Burl coming back from yet another injury the Houston Texans being at 11 to 1 That's what puts me on them. It's like, I don't know what these teams should be that much better And numbers wise than the Texans or the dolphins for for that matter The Jets like you're saying they're going out and making moves. I don't know if we can, you know, necessarily trust What's going to happen with Aaron Rodgers? I guess going going forward, but you know, all of these other teams I say that to say like definitely would rather take shots on these teams that have double digit You know odds to when the AFC then trying to you know, take these teams that have shown us on paper That they kind of are taking a step back when we should be seeing These teams who are right on the cusp be more aggressive in my opinion So yeah, I think the state of the AFC contenders is really what has me down at this point in time Yeah, it's it's a lot in the AFC The T. Higgins move would stink if it happened for the Bengals. Oh, that would be annoying Bill's definitely getting downgraded. I think you know, it really is really about the chiefs and the Ravens at the top But then even like the second tier in the AFC, I'm not seeing a whole lot that I love right now Like the dolphins have lost a lot of pieces the jets their quarterback might run for VP The chargers have not added a field stretcher yet a wide receiver like Add somebody who is fast one person who has run a sub 4 5 40 within the past decade like That's all I want. Just one guy. I like what they've done. Will disley. I like what they've done With Gus Edwards. That's that's cool But like get me one dude who has run a 4 5 in the last decade just one He's what I'm not asking that much. And so I think it's about both Harbaugh, Jim I mean, he could probably run a four or five Get some milk and get some milk and a cheeseburger into him and that dude's probably booking. I think that's a good call But outside of that it's just it's There the AFC disappointed me. So I think that your takeaway is correct there Any other futures your eye before we close up shop for today, Ryan Yeah, at this point in time, uh, you know outside of the, you know, the big three, uh, Super Bowl conference division Really haven't took too much time to dabble in the futures kind of want to let things shake out I do think, you know getting in on some season awards kind of props right around the time that the draft rolls in Is going to be of interest to me Because I think that's that's really when we can start locking in value and kind of see what where the state of Things look as there's not too many moves to be made after that time So that's when I'll start looking at that market. It is fun that, uh, you know Fandals sportsbook we got the player player specials up right now for players that have changed teams So you can get some fun action on some of these guys the Russell Wilson Numbers and we really didn't talk about that because I'm not too excited about that move all in general But I do think it's interesting that, you know for him to throw 25 regular season passing touchdowns Is that nearly two to one plus 175? I mean he you know has hit this mark Um and every season but two, um since coming into the nfl Um and just did that, you know where the Broncos was so much in disarray and I think that you know getting benched Getting benched exactly, uh, you know, maybe there's a resurgence here with Arthur Smith And we can see, you know things come into the fold and you know, it still is Russell Wilson So I'm willing to take a shot on close to two to one for a number that Feels really low. Um for a player of his for for his collar burned what he's put on paper But yeah, I think it's fun to just dabble into these Other markets and kind of get ahead of the game But yeah, once the draft rolls around I'll start to go heavy in on some of these awards Yeah, that's under the players specials. Russell Wilson 2024 to 25 regular season specials plus 175 to throw for 25 Plus regular season passing touchdowns. I think he was at 26 last year pre-benching So did hit that number as you said Before things went off the rails. No diante johnson, but still george pickens there and still some draft capital add To that wide receiver room as well That is ryan williams. Make sure you check him out on twitter at ryan alexander underscore w ryan a pleasure To have you on the show as always for today Enjoy the next couple of days of free agency. Enjoy the nc double a conference tournament too We'll talk to you once again the very near future. Yeah, I can't wait. Um, thanks for having me Alrighty again, check out ryan on twitter at ryan alexander underscore w We'll get him back here on the show in the near future to talk some more NFL takeaways and talks from nba as well We're gonna dive in to nascar at bristol. Let you know where I see value there in just one second But first fandals put in the ball in your court for the rest of the nba season because right now new customers Get 200 dollars in bonus bets with any winning five dollar bet. 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He won at nashville and dover in 2022 the other two concrete tracks On the schedule outside of bristol. He won the bristol all-star race back in 2020 so we know that concrete is a good surface for chase elliott and We saw that a bit too after his injury last year. He finished fourth in uh, nashville He finished seventh in bristol So even though his form was down. He still ran pretty well on concrete We've also seen at least some signs of his form picking up here recently back in martinsville last year in the playoffs Let a lot of laps there and ran well He had speed last week in phoenix, uh qualified. Well ran well at the early part of the race So I think that elliott is slowly getting back to his old four. So it's very possible I am too early on buying and to chase elliott but I don't think we're going to get him at 20 to 1 or long Longer to win for that much longer and I want to take advantage of all we can and Especially when it's on a surface where elliott has done as well As he has done on concrete the past couple of years. So again We're buying into a past champion on a surface that he has done well on at a number of 20 to 1 that I think undersells him So although the form is still pretty rough I think now's the time to buy in To chase elliott. So 20 to 1 to me a good number to bet elliott at to win this week in bristol Other bet as mentioned is on ryan priest top 10 I'm not going to go win on ryan priest. Although I actually do show value 250 to 1 to win Not a lot of value. So we'll go with the top 10 market for ryan priest This number shortened a bit wrote up the betting guide for fan dual research yesterday and at that time priest was 7 plus 750 He had sent shortened to plus 650 But I do still show value there the new number for priest a new implied number is 13.3 percent I have priest said 19.9 percent. So Maybe i'm too high But I also do understand why priest is that high in the model. It's because He like elliott is very good on concrete priest had an off year in 2022 where he was not a full-time driver He was the shr reserve driver He ran a truck series race in nashville And I think that was basically his career turnaround because he went out and won that race and that helped earn him A full-time spot as steward haas racing in 2023 in 2023. We did see priest run pretty well in concrete he Ran well in all three races nashville dove or a bristol finished 12th in bristol at a top or a 12th place I've run a position there as well And priest has now finished inside the top 12 in three out of six career bristol concrete races We've also seen him win here in lower series. He won at bristol and extended me back in 2018 with joe gibbs racing So yeah, the overall career art for priest has not been great but It's 13.3 implied odds for a guy who's already gotten the top 10 at bristol in his career and is now in better equipment Then he was in when he got that top 10 so It has shortened to plus 650 from plus 750 But there is still value based on my numbers where he currently sits So I think it's still worth buying into ryan priest at plus 650 So the two bets I like for nascar and bristol for this weekend are chase elliott 20 to 1 to win And ryan priest plus 650 finished inside the top 10 No truck series odds up yet a fan dual sportsbook. So if you want some thoughts on the truck series I'll put those up tomorrow most likely on fan dual dot com slash research full wind simulations and analysis Of where I show value at fan dual for that race That's all we got here for it today on covering the spread back with you once again tomorrow We're going to talk to riley thomas to get his read on some men's college basketball conference tournament games Austin cassidy with us to talk about some epl a big. Thank you to ryan williams for joining us for today breaking down his thoughts on NFF free agency find ryan on twitter at ryan alexander underscore w i'm on twitter at jim saunas You can find a fan dual research on twitter at fan dual research want to thank you all for tuning in for today Good luck to you with your bets across thursday We'll talk to you once again tomorrow for some more nc double a conference tournament discussion This has been covering the spread right here on the fan dual podcast network