 Repairing a liquid evening Mulwain Private Property Family. I'm Marta Shingange, your guest host for the special edition of the Private Property Podcast. Thank you for choosing us on this Tuesday, and a warm welcome to all our viewers on YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram. On these same platforms, we bring you awesome shows that suit your every need, your taste, and choice as you venture through property investment. Our 8 p.m. lineup starts on Mondays with Chad on the Homebuyers Show. Who comes in again on Fridays? Here you can marvel and possibly buy some of the most beautiful properties in the market. All your agricultural inspiration and insights, Bali is on Tuesdays and Thursdays with the farming podcast. SD comes in on Wednesdays with incredible stories of people who have taken that first step into buying, into building legacies through property in the first-time homebuyers show. A special welcome to all the queens of our private property community. We hope you've had a beautiful women's month. And of course, we are still in the mood of giving away lots of cash to you, our valued fans, as a small token, but heartfelt of saying thank you for being part of our family. So if you haven't entered the competition yet, please do so quickly. Find a post that has been pinned on our Facebook page and comment with the following hashtags. It's hashtag one million followers, hashtag 10,000 comments, and hashtag 5,000 shares. To tonight's cash prize is at a record 3,500 rents, and we will announce the winner during the show. Remember, you have to be watching this podcast live to claim the prize. So good luck fam. Now, I am incredibly excited about this evening's special podcast as we wrap up the awesome month we've had celebrating women in property and agriculture. And what other great way than to close off with the gorgeous queens of private property who bring you three of our shows. So really well done to private property for putting women in the lead. So it's three ladies out of the four shows that we have. So that is quite pretty awesome, if I'm not saying. This evening, I am having tea. So here's my tea with a queen of property, Uzamantunga Kumalo, who is the host of the private property podcast. Who's seat I am warming this evening. And of course, we have our award winning farming queen, Umbalino Ako, who does the farming podcast and the vivacious queen, Esti Klassen, the host of the first time home buyers show. So a cozy high tea would have been awesome, but then COVID-19 happened. So we are doing it virtually. These ladies need no introduction. They are on our screens on Monday to Friday, bringing us insight on property and farming, and farming from the comfort of our own homes. So I am really privileged to be in conversation with these queens to reflect on women's man. So help me welcome queens Zama, Bali, and Esti. Welcome queens. Hi Martha, thank you so much. It actually feels strange to be a guest on my show. You're doing an amazing job. I'm sure I speak for the, you know, for the other ladies and they'll speak shortly that this is going to be fun. It's going to be a very different experience to what all three of us are used to. You know, we're used to anchoring our own shows. So it's going to be very interesting to be on the other side of what we do every single evening. Absolutely, I can only imagine. Hello, Bali. Good evening, Martha. How are you doing? It's awesome to be here. I'm awesome. Yeah. Great, great to know. I'm looking forward to our conversation this evening as well as chatting to Esti and Zama. Yeah, I'm quite thrilled and excited. Probably not as excited as I am. So welcome. And last but not least, Queen Esti, welcome. Good evening to the viewers. Thank you so much, Martha, for hosting us. It is weird having you on Zama's show because I've spoken to Zama as a guest on one of our shows, but this is something different. Also very excited to be here. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much. I must say it's quite exciting. Really big shoes to fill, but I hope I'm not disappointing with Zama. You're not. You're doing a great job. I mean, now you're even filling in, standing in when I'm not available. You're doing an absolutely incredible job. And I'm sure the viewers at home will attest to this. So do give some love to Umar that down here below. I know that she might feel pressure, but she's doing such an incredible job already. Thank you so very much, ladies. I really, really appreciate it. It's really big shoes to fill. Now, ladies, let's get onto it. I can't wait for us to get cracking on our conversation this evening. You know, for the past month, I can't believe that it really has been a month. We have been glued to our screens every night, watching you, interacting with some of the most brilliant women in South Africa. But this evening, of course, you are in the hot seat. So we are really grateful for this opportunity to tap into your minds about women in agriculture and property. And of course, I will then start with Zama. Zama, you have had an incredible journey. I mean, your story is absolutely beautiful. I know you keep it very close. You share bits and pieces here and there. And you have really posted incredible women from all facets of property, from commercial to speaking to land ladies. You've done it all. So in your journey, what do you think, as women, we can do to support each other in this journey? Thank you so much for the question, Martha. You know, it's interesting, because I've been reflecting a lot about that, especially now during Women's Month, right? Because it's one of those questions that we get asked a lot during Women's Month. How can we as women pull each other up? How can we make sure we take each other on the journey as much as possible? And I think, firstly, I want to acknowledge that we're doing that, right? We are doing that in different industries, so not just in real estate or in agriculture. We're doing that across the board. We're doing that in our homes. We're doing that with our friends. And so in many ways, really as women at different levels and in different ways, we do hold each other up. We do support each other. We do provide the emotional support. Sometimes, oftentimes the financial support, you know, the intellectual support that we need in each other's lives. So before we can even talk about what more we can do, I think it's so important to acknowledge that we already do that. And we don't just do it professionally. We do it even in our private spaces, with people who are also not necessarily acquainted with us or have close relations with us. I think what we can do better, I actually want to flip the script slightly, I think what we can do better and should do better is providing better support for ourselves. I think as women, we spend so much time giving and spend so much time being there for people, being there for our loved ones, showing up at work, wanting to do your best at work, wanting to be a good mother, wanting to be a good sister, a good girlfriend or fiancee or wife, that we don't equally give ourselves that kind of attention, that kind of care. And we don't realize, Ubuddi, not paying ourselves first, not taking care of ourselves first, whether it's professionally or in any other way is to our own detriment. And I mean, we're seeing, and this is one of the things that I've tracked, we're seeing a large percentages of women in general and black women in particular, for example, who are getting admitted to hospitals because of stress-related things. I myself speak about lining up in hospitals far too many times because of our stress. And it really is because we're not taking care of ourselves first. I think for me, this women's month and beyond, the big message is take care of yourself first, support yourself first, realize what you need first, ask for the help, learn to ask for the help. We're very easily available to help Abhan do and show up for friends and family, but we don't do that for ourselves and we don't ask when we need it. But then my big thing now is self-care is important. And I think the more of that we're able to do, the more we'll be able to show up for our friends and family in different spaces, whether it's personal or in a professional context. Now, that is so profound, Zama, because I think as women, we are naturals, right? So we used to giving first and giving of our everything before we look after ourselves. And that is so important. I like what you're saying because at the end of the day, you cannot pour into others from an empty cup. So you must feel yourself first before you can pour onto other people. So that is absolutely awesome. I really, really can resonate with that. And now let's move over to the queen, who recently celebrated 50 episodes of the first time home buyer's show. Estie, congratulations once again, ma'am. Thank you so much, Ma'am. That was absolutely awesome. That's a great milestone. Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm just waiting for 100 episodes now. You know, we can't wait. Yeah, yeah, it's been absolutely awesome, awesome. And you've interviewed young entrepreneurs, people who are really just starting out. It must be quite inspirational. So, and also recently during this women's month, particularly the women that we have had on a show, they're absolutely incredible. I was sitting and I was going, wow, my goodness. I have really been amazed. What would you say are some of the key lessons that you have taken away from those ladies that you have been in conversation with during this time? I want to emphasize again, when you say that they're younger than a lot of young people come to my show, and even younger than me, and it is extremely inspiring to hear these stories of young property investors, male, female, who are just taking that leap of faith. And that's something that I echo quite often in the show. But for me in particular, like with regard to women's month, I've had four powerful women on the show this month. And the most important thing in the lesson or the key things that I take away from this is that anyone can do it, right? And that was what I tried to show the viewers at home with the first time home by a show. You can look, you can sound, you can sound like someone, but you too can do it. And that's what's so important about sharing these personal stories with people at home because that is what I aim to do. And I think one, another big lesson is that mistakes do happen. And exactly what Zama said, I want to echo on that as well, is that when we work on ourselves, it's easy to not beat ourselves up about these mistakes, especially in the property industry. A deal can go wrong. And for us to just know thyself and to be able to take control, especially as a woman. I mean, going into women's month, my biggest fear was that I do not find enough female woman. That was my biggest fear. And I think that that's another stereotype that we need to break as women in the property industry. But yeah, those are some of the very important things that I learned this past month. Great stuff. For your show, it's absolutely awesome. And I hope our viewers do get to watch it. So don't just watch this podcast as it comes in on Wednesdays. You've got to watch it because you'll never be the same. After that show, you just want to say, I'm going to do this. You know, you're just getting that push and it's absolutely beautiful. So to all our viewers, that is the show to watch. Now let's chat to Mbali. Mbali, agriculture is still a pretty much male dominated industry. And honestly, we are really inspired by what you have been doing. It's absolutely incredible. Your achievements, they really are humbling. We're in Bogota without a doubt. So Mbali, I would like to know from you, how are you paying it forward in terms of empowering other female farmers in this quite challenging and tough industry? Well, thank you so much, Martha, for those kind words. I do what I can at the best of my ability. However, as much as agri might be male dominated, there's still very much a huge presence of women across the board, not necessarily directly as farmers, but professionals working within the agri valley chain, you know, so that could be professionals in agricultural associations, in seed representatives as rather technical representatives, people working in processing, you know, value adding and retail, et cetera, I interact with women quite often in the space. But when you come into primary farming, indeed, I think the male, our male counterparts as farmers definitely outweigh the females, especially even at a success level, you know, obviously everybody has their own definitions of success. But when you check in the peri-urban areas and the rural areas, small holder farmers or small scale farmers are predominantly women, you know. I recently had a chat not so long ago with someone I admire in the sector and he was mentioning that, you know, in the old days when he grew up, all the men went to the city to work and search for gold, et cetera, and the woman was staying at home. And, you know, he grew up in an environment, is Laliini, where it was women growing their own food, you know, raising the small chickens, raising a small herd of cattle or livestock. And those activities or initiatives pretty much fed the household. So what I do in the space, besides being a farmer, I do a lot of mentoring as well. Yes, to women and men, however, you know, but I'm not biased in terms of, you know, which gender I should mentor, because I think we need a lot of active participants, even from a primary level, as difficult as that may be, we need a lot of active participants in the agriculture, however, I do have a consulting company, an agriculture consulting company, which I'm so proud of and we're doing a lot of work empowering specifically women and youth in the space, because we have to be deliberate and bringing women to the fore. You know, we're sometimes undermined at the value in which we could bring to the sector and what we can achieve. And that's the personal journey that I've walked as well in the sector. So, yeah, I have a consulting company that focuses on women and youth. And specifically there, it's tailoring agricultural projects, you know, that suits the client's needs, whether it speaks to the ESD or CSI initiatives. And over above that, we bring opportunities that farmers, these women or youth, would not ordinarily find in the sector, we bring them forth where they could, you know, take advantage of these opportunities, because you often sit in boardrooms where people say, we can't find farmers, you know, but there's so many of us. So, over and above the consulting, I do a lot of mentorship as well. And yeah, I think just by virtue of being a woman in the sector, I hope I'm inspiring others who see my journey and know and as well as believe that they could too become successful in the sector. Oh, that's awesome. I think to that I will say, woman, you are out there, you are doing it, you're making us so proud. I look at you and I'm like, wow, that is absolutely beautiful. Guess what? I now watch your show very passionately because I'm thinking, this is probably something that I can do. You know, one of these days, who knows? Absolutely. I thoroughly support you going forward. Yeah, thank you. So ladies, you know that we have been running this awesome, awesome show. Tonight's cash prize, it's sitting at 3,500 reds. There's a lot of activity in the comments section. Our fans cannot wait to find out who is taking in. So it's been rolling over. I think this is the sixth a day, if I'm not mistaken. So without wasting any more time, let's find out who's the lucky winner of tonight's cash prize. And the 3,500 reds as selected by our random speaker goes to... At least I've got company today. I've got people I can be excited with. And the winner is Rachel Pillay. Congratulations, Rachel. We are crossing fingers that you are watching and you will claim the prize before the end of the show and do enjoy that cash prize. So ladies, let's get back into it. You know, we are quite busy. We're living quite busy lives. We are working full time. We are investing. We are running our entrepreneurship adventures and a whole lot of things. We don't always take the time to spend with each other. Even talking about you ladies there, the three of you in the same space, but we just never have that time. So now that we have managed this evening to get you under one roof, although virtual roof, ladies, I would like to know what is the one thing? Rather, I'm giving you an opportunity to ask each other that one thing that you have really liked to know about the other. And this is how we're gonna do it. I'm going to have Bali first, asking Estee one burning question, that one thing that you would really love to know about Estee. You can ask her anything, the free for all this evening. Awesome, awesome. So Estee, my question to you is, how has your life changed since the pandemic started? So, yeah, one name, one pro and one con in terms of how your life has changed since the pandemic started. Sure, thank you, Bali. Wow, deep questions this evening. I think a pro would definitely be, I'm really just grateful for the fact that I'm here. There's an entire pandemic, there's this thing going around and I'm still safe. So that's definitely a pro. How it changed for me is just, I miss the human element, like Martha said, we have this opportunity to get to know each other, to be with people. I really miss that human interaction. So that's, yeah. And a con? A con, would definitely be sitting at home, being trapped in this square box. For me, I'm really an outdoor person like you Mbam. I want to go to the farm. I want to get my hands dirty. Yeah, yeah. Okay, thank you. So we really cannot hope, we really cannot wait for this pandemic to just go away so that we can go out there and meet IK. So yeah, let's see, let's remain hopeful that things are going to change soon. Now, Queen Esti, you've got Zama. Ask her one thing, anything tonight, anything goes. All yours. All your questions. All yours. Zama, are you ready? Yes, I'm ready. I hope it's an easy one. I'm ready, I'm ready. I think it's something you're gonna like. If anything, I think I know you now. Watching you every night. For me, I think, so you spoke a lot about earlier when you answered the first question about that woman, we need to take care of ourselves in order to pass on that nurturing quality that we have. And maybe I shouldn't, my question to you is actually three characteristics that you believe women need in order to thrive in the property industry, because we're here. But if you can't do three, let's do one because of time, that's my question. Thank you for that great question. This is one of those I wish I had in advance to get a sense of which three I'm gonna pick on. I think we'll see the big one is you need to have vision. And this is beyond even real estate. I think have a vision for firstly your life and it can change as it does. Sometimes you want to take a slightly different direction but have a sense of vision when you are leading your life and living your life that informs the different decisions that you make in different areas of your life. And it can be in real estate, it can be the kinds of friendships that you enter into and nurture, it can be the kinds of accounts you end up following on social media. So really have a vision about it. I think I'd say the second thing is be deliberate in the nature of the work that you do. I think right now when I look at the real estate sector is there are so many opportunities and so many kinds of opportunities. So it isn't just about, for example, buying a rental apartment or buying a house and converting it into a multi-late. There's so many types of things. I mean, one of my big fascinations in one of the businesses that I'm in is having a look at PropTech and what kind of PropTech, I'll say companies, do we need locally? And some can already be there at the markets and we just don't have them here. So there's a wide variety of things that are available there. So be deliberate when you do certain things because you're not spoiled for opportunities. And so whatever it is that you end up choosing to do, be deliberate about it. And then I think the third, I'll say, I guess characteristic is you kind of need a bit of a thick skin. And this is also, again, it's not something that's only about property. I think oftentimes we find ourselves in different communities where real estate investing is concerned and it can even be our community here on Facebook, for example, or other communities. I mean, I've seen different groups, our members of other different groups by virtue of meeting people in those respective groups doesn't automatically make them ethical people or people who might not, for example, scam you. So you need a thick skin. You need to be able to still do your due diligence even if you met, even if you meet me, let's say I make a public offering of some kind, whatever business that I want to be front facing, you must still do your due diligence. It's not sufficient to be saying, oh, I'm not doing what I see on social media or I see her on a podcast or on a TV show, whatever the case is. So you really need to still do the basics. I think don't think seeing people on public platforms or even seeing people on the show is an automatic, yes, that person, I'm going to work with them without doing my research. So that requires a bit of a thick skin and sometimes you realize, oh, okay, maybe these people don't work, maybe this person works. I think really being careful of that is going to get you quite far. And I love the fact that you actually preach, you practice what you preach. I mean, these are the lessons that you keep on giving us every weekday. So they are now coming out of us like, it's become so natural, you do due diligence. So that's the boss with practicing all of these things. So that's quite awesome. Have a vision, just go out there, do it and keep at it. So now Zama, you now have the opportunity to ask a question and you can ask that question to Umbali. Umbali, so my question to Umbali, I won't make it about agriculture actually. I think Umbali, what would surprise people, what's something that would surprise people about you that we just don't know about you that once you share would probably surprise us a little bit. Wow. You're actually quite a shy person, very, very shy. Yeah, and I actually just don't like photos to be quite honest because I feel like the camera makes, the camera can like zoom into my life and tell me everything about my life that I don't wanna hear. But so yeah, I know you said one, but pretty much two, I suppose it's being shy and I don't like photos because cameras intimidate me. And I think that's a bit of an oxymoron because the work that I do, I mean, we're doing this podcast, you have to be on camera, you have to speak to an audience, but I think when I go into platforms like this, I pretty much remind myself that it's not about me. It's a people that want to hear the information, that want to hear what I have to say, that want to hear my story, and with friends or whatever, just having casual conversations. But truth be told, I'm very, very, I'm quite a shy person, very reserved. Now who would have thought? Hey, you don't look shy to me, but okay, now we know your secret. Absolutely, yeah. I think I hide it quite well. I was about to say the same thing. You absolutely do. So ladies, I believe the cash price has not yet been claimed. So Rachel, you do have really a few minutes to claim a price because we're going to wrap this up and the money is gonna roll over. Ladies, I really need to throw this one in. I know it's not part of the plan, but just a quick one, just humor me. SD, heels or sneakers? Definitely sneakers, Martha, come on, definitely. Really? And yeah, I was thinking that you are a heels lady, sneakers? No, I do that for you, I do that for the viewers, but definitely sneakers. We feel so special. Okay, Mbali, shopping or sleeping? Oh, sleeping. I think that one, I saw that one coming. I saw that one coming. Zama, the mountain or the city? Oh, mountain. When you were saying mountain, I was like, oh, please don't pair it with the beach. But if it starts up between mountain and city, the mountain takes it any day. I mean, I usually have an annual pilgrimage to Lesotho to be in the mountains and breathe, you know, Lesotho air, which is nice, clean air up in the mountains. Yeah, the city, the city's great, but mountains will always win, always, always, always. Okay, we've seen that quite a lot on your social, on your socials. You can see you hiking all the time and doing all sorts of adventurous things. So yeah, that was also so good, Gabi. But ladies, it's really been super awesome spending time and getting to know you just a little bit better. May you really continue to be great inspirations to many of us. We are really looking up to you. We honor you for your phenomenal contributions in property and agriculture. We see you, we hear you. So here's to you, queens. Yes. Ah, cheers. Thank you so much, Mark. That is great to be able to have tea during the show. I was saying off air that usually, you know, during the show, I have notes and notes and notes and all sorts of things. So this was the first time I'm slightly more relaxed on my own show. It's quite refreshing and be able to actually just drink my tea nicely and not stress about it. There's usually not enough time to drink the tea during the show. I'll have it there. I'll sip while I'm chatting to the guests off air. But thank you so much for hosting us. You've done such an incredible job hosting us as we wrap up Women's Month. I think it was such a great way to wrap up Women's Month, especially because we wanted to speak to women the whole month and we did just that. So thank you very much for hosting us. Thank you. Thank you. It's been absolutely awesome having you. So really on that beautiful note, it's a wrap for this evening fam. Remember, excuse me, to catch summer tomorrow at 7 p.m. And yes, they will be coming through at 8 p.m. So do stay home and keep safe. Mixtlai Seiga, we're sending you lots of green hearts your way. So now let's walk over to the farming podcast with Mbali who is up next at 8 p.m. So from all of us, it's good night. Good night. Thanks. You know, I live in the city. I don't have a lot of space. Wanted to grow vegetables, but I don't have a lot of space for that. So I decided to go into the herds. And I had to go out and, you know, experience and get the opportunity to learn how to access the right, you know, most of the farm has to be the same. So it is basically just like everyday recipes. I just try to mix everything up. For example, one of the things that I have tried is that I've tried making. Firstly, it's very important to understand that the rental income of your property must be comparable to all the other properties in the area. Being a mentor, what does that mean for you? You know, being a mentor really is walking a journey with our mentees in terms of their businesses. So I work with... Here is a person who is advising clients on the more than likely their biggest financial investment that they're ever going to make. And when we talk about where we're putting our money and what the property market out there looks like, it's certainly a competitive one. And it's one where we need to know... Even post-COVID perhaps. But they want that fluidity of being able to be anywhere and not be tied to anything. That does not... And actually bias market with the interest rate being as low as it is. So anybody that can afford to buy, that's ranging, really. And also probably growing your property portfolio quite well as well. OK. So my thing is what I'm actually looking for really is apparently not. But the changes are all really positive changes. I know people have been a little bit unsure. It is such a broad kind of topic. When I like to talk about urban development, Young Professionals Forum was started in 2020. But it actually comes from university or the consolidation of university. When a seller wants to sell their property, they need to think that everything that they are going to make out of the proceeds are based on... Yo, I guess we've certainly come a long way in summer. I mean, there were times when women did not even have rights to own property, you know. And I mean, look at us now. Commercial property, HETI, covers quite a lot of segments. So it covers offices as you've saw rightfully in. When we're talking about skilled artisans, we're talking about people who are carpenters, tool makers, fitters, joiners, mechanics, you know, plumbers, et cetera. Those are the kinds of people that...