 in case. Yeah, this is supposed to be the last IATNN session. It's very late, so we are very few. The point today is to talk about the DDTP, not exactly to go into the details but more to say a rough picture of what's happening and what will soon happen on the DDTP and what we will do. And then, we have about half an hour for that. And then we speak about the next Debian IATNN next Lemadura meeting soon to come hopefully in November. That's basically the schedule. The Munich people agree that we can also meet in Munich, which shows us an occult. We can also have Munich sessions. Oh, good, we can travel and bring beer. Yes, in October. I think it's September on there. Who needs to speak Christian? EPL, Christian, you? I don't know. They say this in London. Okay, let's keep this for the summer. Let's keep the hook. Okay, Grigio, can you tell us about the DDTP, please? Yes, the DDTP is working. It's a nice thing. It's working. In the last days, the package files are uploading to the PMaster. Two times a day is okay, it's all nice. Now I work something database, makes something nicer. I add two days some things on the database that you can see. It makes a translation. And two-fourths, not strictly the fourth, it's two-fourths something to lock in with the account. Maybe with time, every new translator will make his own account and we can see the real name for him in the database and make something. Do you want me to show something? Maybe you can go to... That was just a point to show that actually, translations are synced. This is not a proof because this translation was already here. So maybe... I don't know if we have... You can say... ...the DDTP server, I have... ...backed the video. Yeah, and I have changed the view now in the good repository. I could change it over the next days to use the normal files in the archive. Okay, this was from Christian Head speaking, maintainer of packages.devian.org. So this is the truth. We already reported a bug against MNCP and Steve is also preparing to generate the translation files inside the CPs. So the translation files will also fall probably, pardon me. So that will be definitely the report of this work and brainstorming and discussion session because this is a huge achievement to have this working and finally the work of people on DDTP will give visible results. Shall we put something in the release notes? In the release notes, that would be a good idea. Is someone other than the person who was suggesting it? I'm taking notes of the session. You're taking notes of the sessions. Okay, so I'm showing DDTP on the screen. Can you go to the left of the page? Yes, this one? Okay, this is flash. I'm going to flash directly. Is this new? No, it's not. I'm going to go down to some pending translation. Some pending translation? Okay, this one. Oh, it's not there. Okay, it's back. I call abandoned. And go back to the review. To the review. Something meeting review. There's more fun. Oh, I miss... So, go back. Why don't you... Yes, okay, go up. Do you have account? No, I can't. I am a random user. I may have an account, but if you don't have an account on this side, please go in. You have account. Where should I log in? Log in. That's good. I don't understand it. Maybe... Okay, but maybe the show is broken. But I have changed something in there. Should I log in? No, it's okay. It's not working. Or something like this. But I have changed something. The important thing that I have changed the last day is on the CBA end. It's online and you can work on this. And the plan for the future is to make a statement set that we have some release manager that can choose translations that go to stable. And that no one then stuff go to the CDs or some to the malls. This is one good point. And I talked today with the program officer website that we make some improvements that maybe we make some mesh system or something like this, that if you see that one consider make every time the same error and send an email or something like this with the website to say oh, every time you make this maybe you can stop it until next time. Okay, a big stick to hit him. Yes. There's some talks about to get this more working and it's very nice. So improvement in the review and interaction and also discussion with Martin, Martin, the website designer. Yes, okay. So the plans for the real soon future what will happen on the DDTP I suggested you to well, suggested if we could have something to work both ways with PO5 Yes. They improved yesterday's catalan stuff in PSERVA every day gets a package file from the catalan in different solution and put this on the digital server with the local authority and the solution pays some translators for the catalan translation for things 2000 packages or something like this. So this is something you did just now? Yes. And so to summarize to be sure I understand well you exposed that from you import that you previously exported something yes so the paid translators working with PO files and then I import the package files from there there are some private stuff and some normal packages and I generate for him the PO files of all this 2000 packages and I will get I think the first PO files and one PO file per page structure yes and then I for the PO files that I can include the translation to the UDP and if I have this including this one then we can also as the PO file and the import for the mail and maybe for that in the case that you can upload and send the PO files or something like that. Currently this is something that you did once and you talked with who did you talk with? Miguel. This with Miguel? Yes. Miguel is just in the video team so we cannot see him looking and broadcasting but you talk with Miguel and then Miguel will coordinate inside the catalan team okay. Miguel will just nominate just the coordinator of the catalan team and will you will talk by name together and we say, okay I have some PO files let's inject them yes you get other PO files and then how he gives a piece by piece oh yeah this is not for the this is a special but for the main country, not for you you did set up something parallel, which we serve but it's in the you can show it go back to the I can go back and then go to B B to B B, okay then bash one second network it's very, very powerful but it's close sometimes bash bash yes modular, modular, modular bash okay, yes bash edge you guys okay, this is the version the interesting thing from the two thousand and two hundred packages, I think two thousand are in vegan and if we make the two translation stuff we get two thousand translations for us okay and two hundred this is part of work, it's a kind of test bed for your experts with the modern catalan right, and you guys who will work with your own stuff but that's this is something something to cooperate with I think it would be good to try very important stuff as soon as possible even if you have a few fights just let it be but once it's correct you can push, resuit automate stuff is someone watching to ISE in case there would be some questions or whatever just a speech okay, nothing on ISE okay, I think this is something that's a way to go for the DGTV that's fine, thank you anything else you want to mention for the near future for the DGTV I guess we said that I think some days before this is the review site for Andreas that's a white made to the wedding list everybody can add the science packages with you, that's it the special, can we show it yes, you can show it let's keep on ah can I make a short segment remark I just noticed that only the full drivers of that translation should probably see where it needs to change for example, ftp.dvn.org also has a translation because at the moment it doesn't seem correct so at the moment only those murals just mirror the full archive of the translations and the ones that only mirror the reduced archive ftp.dvn.org I would rather have the translation I would talk from your routine just to make a note make a note maybe you must try to pack it for us there's some packages for syncing partly maybe there should be an option to also sync I would probably patch it ok, we thank you for the we're trying to show this stuff it's located you're using the French you're located of course I am you shouldn't use the English one because the links don't show ok, so what is to be shown now to the right yes you are sure that take the French cocoa to the body there is no French translation that's all but then you get the translation ok and then look for fixed translation the French are quite weak in the translation yes ok, I would translate it's like in Japanese it shows them it's a dog and it looks much more funny hopefully I have the right hair mojibake broken so that's called mojibake Japanese I think the browser is probably responsible for this so this is no fixed translated yes you can go this way this is what you want there is a translation it has been done by a random translation and then it can be fixed by specialist of astronomy and Japanese and mojibake and somebody who has a and someone who has a computer at mind so that's good then it's sent excuse me, I'm just going on ISE for a few minutes and see if we are of the course show the same ISE mojibake mojibake means more or less big crap in Japanese and this is what they say when they see some broken Japanese stuff that's called mojibake it works perfectly with firehawk I think it probably works with firehawk this is KDE stuff you know, German orange stuff basically sometimes trying to be serious there are people who stayed up late to watch this this review system works great, thanks ok, that's good for the DTP I think we went over everything so can we talk about the next experimental session now and far I will let you talk a little bit thank you so we've been planning for September until now but we figured out that it's too close from that and then we start planning for August for October but it seems that with the DDABS and NEW and NEWSWORK and the FSP masters we are aiming for November we read scope of Caesar and we probably will draw our session and join sessions with FSP masters and QA there is a wiki page for the extremoguru session for 18N it's not up to date because we are discussing everything and I will update after this meeting the information we are going to refer with this number of 18N guys probably something between 6 and 8 which is a little bit more than we had last year and we have two main goals for this it's DDABS with FSP masters and release team and again BTP and translation files because they are more or less connected already with DDABS so if we can improve things together it's better there are things that we are aiming for 18N for improving scripts server some of the things that we are generating I think that the dates are confirmed already for now you still need to check with we have been checking it will be probably the last week of November the last weekend of November the last weekend of November starting on Thursday Thursday as usual Thursday Friday arriving on Wednesday and then Thursday Friday Saturday and then living on Sunday for us Martin Miu and FSP masters so indeed you confirm you can be here because you have another external rule meeting in September yes my first external meeting is in about 8 days time yes very short yes yes with this goal of DDABS stuff and GTP stuff we will focus on people who are already quite well involved in these things and then to limit also the number of people for CISA and probably many is reason so I cheated we can work on you I don't know about you but I lost network myself we all lost network so we don't have any more highest input I'm afraid ok so it's a manura and I think we are basically ok now we are I mean, we need to recheck some people and bring some people. We are going to try to keep less than eight persons. Steve said that if we need more, probably we will need to ask for sponsorship or something like that. But then we just need to reconfirm dates with everybody, update the week, get the information out of this thing. So, but we are. You said we need to bring a few more people or not? Martin, not here, we need to bring him. And, of course, Neil is already conferred. Although we don't know Martin, he's the person maintaining the web interface. Did he? Yes, he says that's him. Martin, Van, something, I hope it's not this thing. And I'll be calling him. No, there is no net, but maybe the video masters are doing their records. It will be broadcasted some day, so. Yeah, so then we decided to give it up on Puto for this session. This is not the session about Puto. Yeah, I think we will give it up on Puto, so there is no need to invite Puto people. Yeah, you can have it for this session. For this session, for not giving up on Puto. Yeah, and then in the other things that we've opened in the next months, and that's still pending review, policy control, looking for translators, other tools, cleaning up of the server again. We have been working more and more to keep it working fast. So this is the focus of this. This is what I mentioned in one of the slides that I talked about in my talk. It's a two words, i, t, n, dot, d, n, dot, o. We don't know if this will be, if it will happen, if the machine will be the assay admin, but the idea is to make it clean enough, of being as close as possible, as we're not sure they'll be in the server. Nothing, depending on only one person and all these things. Okay, that basically makes it. So I think we will close all these things in advance. The conclusion of the extra manual session, yeah, if that's something. Yes, if we talk about Munich at some time, I think we should ask somebody to check with the Munich people. Do you have, I don't know, do you have the phone? No, I have no direct contact, but I could try. He has the line. Yeah, I could try. So they told us it's possible, but we have to make sure that it's really possible. The small unit station, or the side board, or the small unit station, I don't know. Don't think it's the same. Yeah, yeah, I would ask a little bit more. And they are just in the place, not sponsoring the travel. Yeah, maybe we can do anything. This is like extra manual stuff. First, we give priority to height. Personally, in favor of giving priority to work in extra manual because we work together for three years now. And that would be just another opportunity. The food is better than extra manual. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now we can have a backup server named Schmitzer. In Munich. That's good. We're sorry. No, that's weird as hell. It's only a backup name. And the backup server, the second one is Wunupak. Yeah, the second one is Wunupak. Yeah, I was about to say basically we will close this internationalization session. The goal is for us, basically us three, Nicolas, Pao, and I write down a report for this session and we'll write it as soon as possible and be to the DevConf team. And the point is to post it to Debian Development as a report from the DevConf Internationalization sessions to basically say what we did around here. So we will close this internationalization session and see you next year. Of course. One more thing that we can do is, if we have some time. We have a lot of time. If some people are interested in working in the team that we are trying to set up, just raise your hand and ask on the IHMN mailing list or the Debian Devil, Debian L, then give a mailing list on Adiot. We have a new list on the Debian mailing list. So I don't think you have made more than that. I have no idea what's going on. I think I have some problem network. On the Debian Wiki, you said? Yes. You can search for... Churro. Churro. Churro. Churro. Churro. Churro. Churro. Do my best. Do my best. Transfer. Okay, network. Network. I have the page. Yes. Do you have it on the screen? Is that one? Yes. So we have to do this. We need to clean up now because we made a lot of work during that conflict. Yeah. There are quite some things now. We have some new items also. We currently have a tool list for the dead conflict meeting. So just pick up the items. Yeah, actually it's interesting to say that most of the work has been done by Nicolas far. I just made noise around this stuff but it's nothing. And we do work on the GATP but this is not the close stuff. There is a lot of magic in these ITNN and sync stuff. At some moment we need to scale, to be able to scale and to find something that we want to do the glory work. We want to package the scripts so that they can be installed with so many things that there is still some work on it. And we are going to ask for an ITN, the Debian.org sort of package, which would permit users of the infrastructure to report bugs. So it's not really for bugs in the software but it's more bugs on the data or configuration of the servers, etc. Bounds, research, access. I'm trying to find the one bug we are thinking about. In the DDTP there are finds of a language named Go. Which is also smooth. Which does not exist at all. So that would be a good example of a bug. But you fixed the bug already, of course. So we no longer have any example to show that we already reported it to general because it's mandatory to request a new sort of package we need first to... So please reintroduce the bug so that we have an example, please. At least a couple of bugs to point on so we can create a silver package. Network seems to be down again. No. This is just because the DDTP is broken. No, no, because it's not about network. And let's see how far down it is. Confirm it will be here. To be here. And normally I'll take it from here. There. Next to Maduro. Neil, you already have some working package. Do you have patches for de-package? Not patches at this stage. No, we're working with a separate program which we couldn't fall into after all the de-package. There are changes needed in de-package just to handle the TDAP package type. There is a bug for it. But we were talking before about de-package to be able to get into the right translation. Yes. That de-package filtering is something that Tolef started at Debconf in Edinburgh. And it's still working its way into de-package. I think it's not going to get into de-package before then it's released. In one stage we'll see that bug but the de-package has already been branched for any so some development can be done. It's already in a branch. There is a branch with the filtering in it. But... Yeah, it could be interesting to talk to see with Raphael, I think. I'll avoid the trigger situation, I think. Yeah. If that branch fits the way de-package maintainers intended to do things. Yeah. I think in the IEA team we should maybe try to work on maybe a developer script to download the nucleophiles or LinkedIn check to check that an update to the TDAP does not introduce a new stream for example or to only introduce a consolation file no binaries or... You can check for TDAPs. Yes, I think to... As soon as you have a TDAP as such we can... If the beast exists you will certainly check it. I've already got checks for TDAPs from RemDevi. I've got a checkship that can actually check a TDAP and because for that I just need to put it out of the checks, the other checks for it in RemDevi. I was also thinking of maybe an option to de-package to check if new streams were introduced to the consolation file. That would make de-package depend on get types. I don't know whether they want to do that. Okay, or new streams or something. We'll work on that. Anything more before I say it for the second time? I'm going to close this and I'm going to show a spot of... Oh, by the way! If you like you can go to the website where I can see the login copy of the consolation file. You want me to go to the websites for the TDAP? Yes. Or you want to make a reload of the page? Only make a reload, but a French page maybe. And send it to the CSC. Okay, please login. Only go to login. Yes, and I go to login. To force the user to make a reload of the page. You can see it there. Yes, it's a problem. Yes, it's something we tended to implement. Yes. We need to get a certificate which is signed by... which is not self-signed. And it should also be valid for IE, the name of the development net and the TDAP of the development net with three names. Is it possible to get one the... with one IP for more? That's one of the ways. Extension even white certificate every sub-domain is a long one. But browser is different. Yeah, but is it possible to get a certificate signed by the SPI? No, I kind of said that it's better than SPI. I asked him for SPI and he said you should go to SPI because it's that important. And we will open a... Yeah, we will prepare the requests and use RT. And I will poke Peter on the IRC. Probably. Okay, I continue to start because I think this is my main community. Do we have an account? Is that supposed to contain a main address? No. No, no, no. If I created an account somewhere that would be a sure way. Sure way. Sure way. Actually, in the server it's waiting for all of us saying sure way. The role in this connection with Spain too, I think. This is the problem with Spain. This is night over there so they shut the server down. And the first person coming in at work I don't know. I don't know. This is me. And now you can go to I can go to review. I can do a review. Okay, K for city KD stuff. I need to review that thing. Review on line. I'm flat or I'm flat. I'm flat on the station. Maybe you can change it but it goes down. There's a note. No, no, no. There's a note. Stop. That's fine. Now what the owner is and then you see the IP address of the review. Obviously it's not it makes a translation into the first review. If you lock in, if you make something, yes, you will see. So can I make some changes? Let's say that. I will find this. I think it's not a live one. I don't know. That's it. Okay. Now the stream see French guys working. French guys are working. Not like space army scene. See? Here. No, no, no. No. We switch to French story for that. 10 minutes left. I have 10 minutes to complete this. That's quality assurance. Anyway. What is the space? I think it's space. Check. Okay, I see I'm boring you guys. So come and fill that space. But the books will be 5%. Okay. And accept with changes. I will use something. That's good. Nice demonstration. You should open it again. And probably now it's a viewer review. Yes. It's no longer. We are going back down. So where is it now? It's reviewed by you. Okay. So I just go here and now it should be changed. I changed it. I will do whatever it is. To bush. To bush? No, no, no. To bush. So nice. To bush. Now it's me. There's no review. Spice is from Spain. Diff. We are Diff. I told him. Where will we That's the former translator. You see what I changed. It's here. Yeah. It's interesting. It's not a bad profession. It's a pretty good one. Maybe I will do some more work. Okay. That's good. It's good to have a publication. And also we have the debate to work about whether we need to enforce authentication or not. Which we were talking about yesterday. We can start discussions on the meeting. We can put a language base. This is configured more by language. Yes. That's the beginning. Yes. That would mean to each coordinator. Yes. Someone would be needed in DGTSS. This is already in DTSS. We are already in DGTSS. Okay. That's all right. But I think it's a better idea to force it on the hardware. Maybe you don't get the status. We have this. We will have it again. And each team will decide what they want to see. It's no problem for myself. Okay. I think it's better. Now we have probably five minutes left. I will soon see the signs over. I will. Yeah. We can run this session. And thank everybody who came here. Have a good night. We still have someone's cheese left. Really? Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. And a few bottles from various origins. Most in South America, Bolivia, Venezuela, and so on. So tonight I bring this down. Sorry for the speed for what I see. Next time. You can send some cheese. Yes. Okay. Thanks.