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It's an awesome podcast one more thing Maps prime maps prime pro and the prime bundle all three of those 50% off that's insane go check them out go to maps fitness products calm just make make sure you use the code June prime for the discount all right enjoy the podcast mark Randolph right founder of Netflix we interviewed him What a great interview right a good time. Yeah, it was smart guy. Yeah, I was a fun one I'm actually I'm really excited so the audience knows that we just released this so I I believe The last four interviews that we have done are the four best interviews mine pump is recorded yet probably in my opinion I would agree. I could yeah, and you know that tonal was the first one of those five actually five might four or five Doug we've got I think probably five yes, the last the last five I thought were the bed tunnels the first one of the five that were we've released Mark Randolph will be another one that's coming out that I thought was just a really fun conversation, but since then I Bought his book. I've been and I've listened to damn near almost all his episodes on his podcast if you are a aspiring Entrepreneur or you're trying to build a business in any any capacity The value of his podcast is Unbelievable, I mean it's you know what he does all the fat out But also you know what he does he communicates What's effective in a easy to understand effective way he I think sometimes people communicate what he's saying But they do in a way. That's not it's hard to apply or understand he He completely kind of shattered my paradigm as far as the way I looked at like idea I like I wish that I had found his content before I probably tried eight different businesses before yeah Because what one of the number one things that I see People make as far as mistakes when trying to start a business is over complicating testing their theory So you're you have an idea whether it be this app that's gonna you know provide this for people or this this shirt line Yeah, this marketplace. It's gonna connect these two different your first iteration cost tens of thousands Or it takes you months or years to build and you need partners and you need possibly money All you need to do is swing the bat just to see yeah And he does this and he gets these so his whole podcast he does not interview big people at all He ever he interviews average people and be easy has a coaching them. Yeah, that's all the it's a literally like a 30 40 minute That's so effective coaching session and he gets entrepreneurs that are like an inception like they just have the idea And they're getting ready to put it into play. He gets people that are you know midway through funding I mean you get all this this this array of like levels of entrepreneurship and The the one thing that the common thing that I keep hearing from him is this You know trying to get people to look at applying their ideas or testing their hypothesis without Having to build the final product or go into all this debt to try and show that this brilliant idea I'm like I just think it's probably the biggest roadblock. Yeah, is that people? And he's and they think in order to start testing their idea. It's too expensive takes too much time So I'm not gonna do that when reality you can find a way to test it in a very inexpensive way And it's smarter to do that anyway because you never know well That's the trend here in Silicon Valley especially because it's everybody was so Basing their ideas on can I get funding for this? Yeah And so it became like all these incubators and all these things popped up to try and like prop up that idea And it was like a common thing But a lot of these these companies like don't exist now well You that are just the idea that that an app is the answer. Yeah, like so many Especially here like where we're at in the Silicon Valley like it's it is an app land You know everybody wants to build everyone has this next great app idea. You guys know what the fail rate is with apps I don't know yeah, it's like through the roof. Yeah, it's 80 or 90 something percent Yeah, it's extremely high as far as the field and then not only that super expensive the most successful apps are like free tools So the ones and the ones that make the most money are games So if you have this concept of an app that you think is just gonna change change how people do business You should I mean it changed. I mean Justin and I when we first originally were building our app I remember like we pivoted halfway through because we found we found that out as we were in the middle of trying to build this This like avatar building that has to be by the way the most Guaranteed thing that'll happen to you when you start a business is you're going to have to pivot and change Yeah, he says it in his podcast like never does the I forget how he he says it never looks at the end Well, yeah, the adult version never looks like the the infant, you know, like it grows to be something completely different That's just that's how business works. So try and mitigate, you know The amount of income that you're putting towards that like in the beginning stages especially well It even makes me go back case So let's use us for an example just me because this obviously it stings for me because of how much money I lost trying to build the app, right? You know, and so Justin I were building this app that was going to gamify fitness I actually I think it was a bro I still think it's a somewhat of a brilliant idea and We put a lot of effort into it and we started to build it out and spend a lot of money with the engineers But what we should have done is drawn it all in paper and try to gather people and take them through it manually Right until we are just overwhelmed with oh my god. Everybody wants to do this people are giving us money to take them through this Yeah physical game of fitness in person and then he goes and then when you do that now you have real Real tangible metrics that you can take to investors and say look it I have this idea already got the demand. Yeah, I've had an idea for this app or whatever like that Yes proof of concept. I've showed yeah, I've showed proof of concept in this. I'm overwhelmed I'm my buddy my partner and I have got people banging down our door They want us to take us through this video game version of fitness that we've came up with and they love it Here's all the reviews and then Now let's go try and spend 70,000 $100,000 on an app that we improve that there and I just don't know I mean, I'm so mad at myself for not. Yeah, you can't though, dude I mean you learned you learn by trying and our education unfortunate Yeah, and when you hear Mark Randolph who's started and sold companies and been just extremely successful What you're hearing is the black belt version of Mark and I'm sure if you talk to him when he first started He might not have been able to communicate right right so it's it's hard to beat yourself up Self up over something that you couldn't yeah, but I mean it to me But it is great that there's that resource and yeah, and it's such a simple concept when you actually think about it It's brilliant. It is it's it's such a I mean can you take so if you're listening right now while watching the show And you're an entrepreneur and you think you have this brilliant idea Can you distill it down to its simplest form and Manually go do it and a and test your hypothesis until you are up at two o'clock in the morning because you're you just Overwhelmed with clientele and demand just screams like it. That's right funding He says what's beautiful about that is is along the way That in that process you learn so many other things like you know if we were to take our app For example with the games. We think this level is perfect here than there. Well, we were taking people manually through it But I told us oh shit that was too hard instead of making the app spending a hundred thousand dollars And then being like oh, this is trying to get yeah the audience in the community to get behind that's right Creating it and simultaneously so cool. You know talking about him and successful people reminds me of just this boy Have I been getting going back and forth with people on the internet with have you guys seen that report that came out? What about Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk not paying taxes not paying income taxes. I love that and people like Yeah, so I'm going back and forth with people and I love it because I don't love it actually I do I love debating and discussing things but people are and This is not I'm not trying to be offensive people are completely ignorant to first off how taxes work But also to the value that certain people bring to society they ignore that so let's talk about taxes for a second, right? Let's talk about Jeff Bezos He might have paid no income taxes and that by the way is because he probably made no income his wealth He wasn't taking income right his wealth is reflected in his probably shares which he hasn't realized I mean he hasn't sold them so he made nothing Yeah, so that's his wealth and he probably doesn't take income instead reinvest it in the company also He pays Amazon pays millions of dollars and other taxes corporate taxes and other taxes to states And then you look at the employees that he employs and the taxes that they pay So the all the revenue that government's getting because of the inception of Amazon is like Insane yeah billions billions, but here's the part that annoys the shit out of me So I had people that were messaging me So I did a dm. I did a post right my story. I'll read what I did. I posted a picture of The the you know the actual Articles or whatever. Yeah share that with Andrew. So he has a yeah I'm gonna share that with them so so he can read it and so it says you know IRS launches investigation Showing that Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos paid zero in income taxes I said, oh my god, they kept their own money the goal of these people How dare they risk their own capital and work their asses off to build companies that consumers find so incredibly valuable that they voluntarily give them billions of Dollars and then legally pay only the taxes they're required to pay obviously. I'm being sarcastic So I had people who are sending me dms and like well, they need to pay their fair share Which is it by the way, that's a political term. What the hell is fair share actually mean So I this one guy who I talked to all the time and he's like I bust my ass and I paid 30% Income taxes they need to pay their fair share. So sorry Well first off, let's paint the context properly first Let's talk about Jeff Bezos. Yeah, he is easily Jeff now, I don't know of the guy. So I'm not saying I like him. I'm not saying he's whatever good guy I'm just this is just objective. Yeah, he's easily one of the most productive and innovative people of all time And what I mean by productive is he actually created something That people Valued so much that they voluntarily have given him billions and billions and billions of dollars And the impact that he's had because of his innovations and his own willingness to risk his own capital Has changed society so much that if amazon disappeared today, we would be like in a totally different place So he started I mean it was basically like an online bookstore like a struggling online bookstore And then it just kept it became like the store for everything online amazon has dramatically increased efficiency brought products to us Created businesses not just employed people but it's done How many entrepreneurs that do you know actually make? Most of their money through amazon, right? Yeah, I mean, I we have friends that have they built all the commerce Is there a multi-million dollar companies that would have been possible. Yeah, they rely on their ability to market through amazon It's it's impossible to quantify the incredible impacts All we know is that it's obviously value so valuable that people have given them voluntarily nobody's forced them But voluntarily given them billions and billions and billions of dollars And so that's what he's done. So I said to this guy. I said, all right, let's talk about fair share You want to compare yourself to jeff bezos? Why aren't you producing your fair share of innovation and productivity? Because it would take a billion of you and what you do to do what he did for obviously society at large Just to paint the right context. It just annoys me so bad because Here you are and again, I don't know the guy. I don't know what kind of person he is or whatever But one thing I do know is because of him Because of his innovations because of his his willingness to risk his capital and all that stuff He's made such an incredibly positive impact as evidence by the amount of money that people willingly give him um that Rather than looking at him and saying Oh I know we gave him our money voluntarily because he brought me a lot of value But he needs to give up more of that for it also do you really think that a billion dollars with him would be less Efficient and effectively used than a billion dollars to the government the most wasteful I don't understand why people can't just look at him like the Elvis of business You know like he's at the he's completely like the king of business like he's he's Like mastered things that People that are business owners can only dream of doing and and has done it in such a way that like is I mean, it's almost impossible to replicate what he's done And so to to to reward him in terms of like that that's just a signal of value that he's providing Oh, look, I'll give you another example as it irritates the shit out of people, but it's true Uh, like let's look at like saving uh trees, right trees are good. They give us oxygen. They clean the air If we killed all the trees we'd be in a big problem, you know big trouble What saved more trees environmental activists? Or innovations that now make us use email and digital Technology, right? So my point with that is this type of productivity innovation Has tremendous tremendous positive impact. And so I don't know And you know the problem is is that politicians, they're very good at this. Nobody's better than politicians at this They're very good at creating angles and demonizing people and then hitting your insecurities as a person To make you feel like that's a good thing, right? So rather than saying You know Jeff Bezos Amazon has paid millions and millions of millions of dollars of taxes because it's not just income taxes There's lots of other taxes and amazon has generated so much revenue for the government just Indirectly and directly because of the companies that work with them and the people that buy the products and the employees that work there And all that stuff rather than saying all that what they say is You pay income taxes. He didn't therefore. He's evil and people go. Yeah, I think he's evil But that's crazy to me. Well, it's really for the the shock value that you get from the title And and that is what gets clicks. That's what gets people to read the article And if you don't understand how business works, it's really easy to get fired up share with your friend Can you believe this? You know, we're making women a wage over here and I'm getting taxed all this and this billionaire is not paying anything Like they just you can't you can't see that, right? They don't see that. No, I look at I again, I don't know if he's a good guy or a bad guy But luckily no one's defending his luckily the way our market works is if you want money You can be greedy about whatever you still got to give people what they want to get it By the way, he doesn't work for government people who work in government get money because they legislate and force you They don't do anything to earn your money. They actually force you to do that He has made his money because so many people like what he does that they give it to him So that's a great that's that's something that we need to consider and when you see these incredibly productive innovative people You got to think to yourself at what they've done and you think That's cool that they want more of them to exist. Yeah, that's cool that they exist and that they did this, you know Right speaking of greedy and evil people Um, I was so impressed with Loki. Oh, that was a great movie, right? I mean great show series. Yeah Yeah, I mean it's only the first episode that they've released, but I was skeptical of it. I wasn't that excited to watch it. I was like, oh, we'll see how it is. It um Disney's got the best writers. You know, it they're so good. It has been HBO the best now You guys really didn't like the you know, Wanda vision and then the the um, I liked Wanda vision But it took like four episodes at least four. Yeah, which is well, and that's I think that's sort of the the conundrum that new content has coming out Because it's It's like you're trying to develop all these new characters a totally different way of of going through a story And so that kind of had that it's a whole new story. What do you think about it? It's just sharing characters from a It's not familiar right away. So you really have to stick with it and then once you stick with it It's it pays out. So the Loki ran out the gates. But yeah, Loki Yeah, it's good. It's very interesting right away. Very great. Now. Do you like it the best out of those three, right? So the the Wanda vision then what's what was the other one that I cannot think of the title for the I did not like the I didn't like the hawk and winter soldier. Yes winter soldier. Thank you stupid You didn't like that one. My buddy really liked that one. Really? Yeah, he maybe I got to give it a better chance I watched two episodes. I don't like it. He liked them all and it might be the same reason It might just have taken it might take more episodes to build the storyline You know why I don't like it because and this is my own bias There's certain superheroes that I think are dumb like, uh hawkeye Uh, I can shoot accurately. I don't care. That's the dumbest superhero I've ever seen Yeah, what a stupid and then agree with the the what's his name falcons. So I find that I find that funny You got high tech wings. I find that funny I find that funny that you guys Pick it apart like that I know because it's the whole fucking thing is over the top ridiculous. Here's the thing. It's like It's one thing to to create and develop the technology that produced like something crazy like those wings or like like Just have it. It's like, okay. So you just have cool. Shit Like yeah, I'm supposed to think you're a superhero. Yeah, I know. Do you know if Same writers are doing Loki as any of the other one. It has a very, uh, Mandalorian-esque feel to me. Yeah, that's I feel like it's written more like that than the other ones that we've seen So well, Loki's such an interesting character because very yeah So he's the one always causing mischief and and all that so I'm actually excited to see where it goes from there even because That's interesting story writing. Yeah, but without giving it away The angle and the twist that they used to start it off I would have never imagined and it was so it's so good I'm so excited to watch. I can't wait for the second episode. They did such a good job Well, it's just funny because there's no other example really of constructing an entire universe of of options Then what marvel's done so far even star wars. They're trying to catch up to that It's it's so big and so vast And to be able to connect all these different timelines and all these different stories and characters and combine them together I mean that takes a lot of brilliant writers Is there a name for the style they used like oh, I know what you mean in terms of the because there was a very stylistically speaking Without giving it away again the tech that you see in Loki It's advanced technology, but it looks the way that you that 1960s sci-fi would have picked it would have depicted Well, yeah, it's it's obviously in the future But then there's things like a paper printer being done Like so there's the it's there's this contrast right of like it's like tomorrow land Yes So and which I love because because they're sort of wrapping that in because in disneyland You see their vision of what the future was going to look like so it's got that 1960s portrays out of it Yeah, so is there I've seen another show that did a really good job of this like and like I think the way you Describe it sounds really good. It's like if it was 1960 This is what they guessed 2040 would look like yes And so some things you could tell maybe they got right or some things are like Oh, wow, they couldn't they couldn't see beyond the paper printer. And so that's still there stylistically very Yeah, what is is there a name? Okay, so they do this with steampunk, right? So the style steampunk is supposed to be like High-tech but with like old looking stuff sort of western looking antique stuff Yeah, but I don't know what they would use for that. I don't I don't know art I mean, what would you do it art deco sci-fi like I don't I bet you there's I'm sure we're gonna get a dm from somebody Who's like who's into this because I think there's got there's got to be a name to that style because it's not It's not so unique that you've never seen it before. I've seen it done in movies before So there should be a name and some you it didn't like was it the fifth element that did that well too Like there's certain movies that have played with stuff like that where Something the galaxy forget what it's called But like some concept in Loki that I really liked was it was the whole bureaucratic Element and so they brought a lot of that into this. Yeah, there's like the the dmv like inside They brought that in there, which is I think is brilliant. So yeah, I'm excited to see where that series goes No, it's smart because especially with sci-fi sometimes sci-fi tries too hard to be accurately Predictive and so then it's kind of having fun with it. Yes. Yeah, like this makes it you want to watch it because Stylistically, it's appealing right because like what you're talking about. There's obviously things in it where you're like, okay If this really were the future, it is really the future. Why would they have a printer? Yeah, he wouldn't be using a print me it does something like that just that's so outdated But it's funny and it's fun. So I don't need a punch card or you know, like that like that's ridiculous No, it's brilliant. It's it's speaking of brilliant by the way So I'm getting I want to talk about this no affiliation, but I want to talk about that the company stockpile I think it's such a brilliant company. I love it. I love it. So so for people again We have no affiliation whatsoever, but I discovered them back when Max when adam son max what hold was he was he you gave it to me when he was born when he was born, right? Yeah, yeah, you get well you've gifted him twice, but the the initial one you're the one that introduced it to me And I think I was talking about how I want to find this was before he was born My biggest concern was I didn't want to Spoil him with gifts and have all my he's we have such a big family Katrina's family And so he's ended up with too much Yeah, and we were we were talking about different ways to invest for him or get the family behind doing that And you introduced me to that by giving yeah, it's so smart like you can literally go in there You can create and count you can go in there and then you can gift a kid or whoever And I'm a dollar amount to be invested in any stock company or any company and it doesn't have to be the The price of the shares like let's say a company's shares are at 347 dollars. You can buy $50 worth and they'll get $50 worth Of that share and they make it easy. So so you know tomorrow's As of the recording of this tomorrow is a Ray Lace's baptism, which I'm super pumped about It's like the big first big thing, you know for my son and you know in our tradition You know family, especially Italian families, they give money They give a lot of money and traditionally what you do is you put it in a bank account But then it just sits there. It doesn't do anything, right? And so with the stockpile I sent it to my whole family and now they're sending me Gifts of stock and it's cool because either they'll pick a stock which I think is cool Or they'll just give me a amount and then I'll pick it myself And now instead of it just sitting there like my dream obviously what this is at, you know It really says 18 he's an adult and I go here's your investment account that you for your birthday your baptism your communion You know, whatever. Yeah. Yeah people were investing in yeah, I like it's really cool They they also really simplified to like with categories So like if you're interested in like green tech and you don't know any companies or what like that Like you don't give you all the so smart and then what is that called where you can you can invest in multiple Like mutual funds Yeah, where there's like three stock like the three best stocks in this category And then you can put and you can put any amount like you said if someone just gives you $50 Doesn't matter if that cost, uh, you know 400 something you can get a You know part of partial stuff like this and robin hood and all these apps that are making investing easy for the average person because it used to be unattainable in the sense that if you want to invest it's like, uh, I don't know what to do I got to talk to like a stockbroker. Yeah, what do I do and I don't right? Yeah, but now they're making it so accessible. I can only see investment in Companies just continue to grow because the average person now it's easy. Oh, I can Well, I remember my very first, you know Charles swab account that I opened up like long time ago. I remember being so discouraged because Um, I didn't know what I was doing. I knew I didn't know that But I knew that I wanted to put some of my money So I knew that was everyone said it was smart to do that and I go down there And you don't get any help like and you have to have like a quarter million quarter millions of minimal I know and I and you know, I was all excited. I'm bringing my first 10 grand Yeah, I'm like, I'm serious like I'm this I'm serious about this stock thing. Here's my first 10 grand And I'm like, yeah, can I get someone to help me when they just kind of like chuckle at you? I know what happened to me too. Yeah, there's you know, we have two quarter million to manage You know, and then you got to pay pay for that also, right? So I was like, well, that's kind of stupid Where this is definitely making it Accessible for for it pretty much anybody. Yeah, speaking of stupid. You got it. Doug Can you pull up the pictures that I sent you? These are ads I want to say from the 60s just to show you how messed up The marketing world is and it's still messed up today. I think it's hilarious But this will be this makes it clear because now we know certain things It's like when you see like old cigarette ads, you ever seen those old cigarette ads? four out of five doctors doctors recommends camels for For coughs or whatever. Yeah. So these look at this. I don't know if you can you can open that up Sugar keeps your energy up and your appetite down. These are ads From the sugar industry and I want to say both claims already wrong 60s or 70s I sent you another one Doug if you could pull that one up So the first one says sugar keeps your energy up and your appetite down And then there's another one that what does that one say sugar can be the willpower you need to under eat So and there's more right in these ads They were they were basically what they're pushing is they're saying that sugar is a great way to curb Your appetite and then it's got like a woman eating ice cream. That's crazy. The media is always pretty on point This is really surprising. Look at their strategy is enjoy an ice cream before you have lunch. Oh I have to open these up. Look at this. I'll read that one man Here's what the and it's the it's it's basically the sugar in I don't know organizations like they all came together But it says when you're hungry, it usually means your energy is down by eating something with sugar in it You can get your energy up fast. In fact, sugar is the fastest energy food around And when your energy is up, there's a good chance you'll have the willpower to under eat at mealtime So how's that for a sweet idea? Sugar only 18 calories per teaspoon and it's all energy brought to you by diabetic pharmaceuticals Oh my god, got you. Isn't that great? That's crazy. I like looking at stuff like this because it it's it's easy to see because it's old So it's clear, but still they do shit like this that will in 20 years So we see where it stems from and is this actually just straight sugar They all get together like and then yeah, okay, and then they so it's like the sugar industry And because they have an ingredient and they want to promote it or whatever So they're they're showing you that sugar is great for, I don't know willpower That's so wild The funny thing is it does the opposite. Yeah, it literally does the opposite of what they're claiming if you're hungry have sugar It makes you hungry Isn't that hilarious? It's good for your teeth. I know that's crazy speaking of consumers and markets I read this cool. Um, I don't I'm gonna pull it up this quote About consumer kind of demands and searches and stuff. So check this out The popularity of internet searches for sustainable goods around the world This is over the last five years, right? So people are now searching For sustainable goods or companies that have sustainable goods the last five years got up 71% Wow So it's now become a big trend market Driver where people are not just looking for Good products and this is more true for wealthy countries. They're also looking for companies that are environmentally Aware yeah conscious. Yeah making efforts mere thrive public goods Yeah, this made me think of public goods because that's like a big part of who they are, right? They give you good products super inexpensive. By the way, I'd save hella money Shopping through them Well, which used to be the big barrier because anytime you had these types of like messages out there It was always like they'd slap like a higher price point on there. Yeah, which I mean understandable too That you kind of you had to before you did. Yeah, I mean if you're gonna go give if you're gonna go help You know get what build wells, you know in Africa somewhere, right? If you're gonna go do that and you're also gonna sell a product and you're also gonna make it like green You know, you you're gonna spend more money So you normally have to charge the consumer, but that was what was so brilliant about public goods Basically becoming the you know Costco wholesale Version of the of those types of products was absolutely brilliant. Yeah, I mean, it's less expensive and Environmentally conscious. Yeah, which I mean, I don't know how you beat that combination Yeah, and and you can reduce the amount of chemicals that we're exposing ourselves to which is what I really like to shop on public goods Oh, yeah, so I actually I it's such good timing too because one of the areas they save a ton of money Is in like the branding and stuff like that and that's become very popular in the last decade Like remember like in the 80s and the 90s like Wild colors and crazy graphics and logos. Oh, yeah And now we're the this generation is like simple clean And so the whole idea of this black and white like one ingredient you see in a lot of companies doing that Yeah, the exact so simple is definitely the the look today Which feeds perfectly into a company that's not spending a lot of money on doing a bunch of like cool stuff Speaking of simple, uh, the the sushi guys that you had and I say simple because Good sushi is not super complex or fat or fancy. Well, finally you guys exposed me to good sushi Bro, I am so proud of you That's really what I that my desired outcome of of doing that because I wasn't sure how you guys were going to receive it Um to to do it So we had basically two sushi chefs come to the house like real ones like legit like from japan Yeah, like legit. Oh, how cool was it when I'm so I'm so mad that we did for the audience We did not there was a point in the night where We were having a great time having drinks and just you know talking business and the way that the Chefs do this is it's like it was like a four or five hour dinner, right? So yeah, we're basically doing our business meeting, but they're bringing us this like incredible Yeah, and at one point Doug breaks off and he's and he's talking in Japanese to the two guys back and forth And I I'd nudge sal and then sal you know fumbles around to get his phone And by the time he gets over there Doug's done talking to him and I was like Ah, that would have been such a cool clip for the audience to see Doug's I know but but uh, I do want to say so for people don't know Justin is not a fish fan at all And one time to they suck Just so you know, that's right, right fish and one time We were in Tahoe and we were all hungry And and just in Doug Adam and I were making fun of Justin for not eating sushi They might have fish sticks there. We're taking to a chicken negative terrible terrible sushi. Yeah So we go to a sushi place finally convince Justin. He's like fine. I'll try it and it's the worst sushi ever Yeah, yeah, it was it was uh, it was awful gas station Yeah, it was it was it was pretty bad. We won't name the company and that ruined it After that, Justin's like never you're gonna try it again. Fuck. No, I was done. Yes But then you know now we had these sushi set in in chefs come and Justin agrees. All right. I'll give it a shot Yeah, what was I think? What did you experience for you? Yeah, so I mean I I was a little bit I was trying to like wrap my brain around it and not have the same associations And so that's what I was just like really trying to focus on man this Like the preparation the freshness of it like the authenticity of the cooks that were preparing it all that kind of stuff I'm trying to focus on all that and then um The first the first round of what they presented would just look amazing So that the presentation of it was you know part of that whole experience was helpful for me And then I started eating it and I'm like, okay, you know, this is this is tasty I can give this a go. Uh, there's some stuff. I still I just don't like you didn't have the oyster. I didn't have the oyster too far. Yeah, I just I'm Slurping that in is just not I just can't do it. You're not ready for that. I'm not ready. Maybe I baby steps You did way better than I did the first time I had sushi. Yeah, I know people watching right now Who are younger like what are you talking about? I feel like a little kid talking about this 20 years ago like sushi was a big like if you went to one I was like, oh my god We weren't like popular like they are now and the first time I had sushi was california Is that true? They're not they're they're way more popular today. Is that true? Is he talking about the side of his neck? Has it always been like a thing? Side of his neck. Yeah. No, no when I was when I was a yikes when I was a kid I'd never even heard of it. Yeah, really. Yeah, no dude. My kids now grow up eating it I didn't have sushi for the first time. I mean, I didn't either But I also grew up in like the you know freaking Valley and like oh, yeah, but I bet there's sushi restaurants there now You might find one or two. Yeah, there might be one there. Yeah. Yeah, it's just it's a small town and like it's yeah There's not a lot of culture there So so you did better than I did my first time now How did you feel after because one of the things that I like about sushi? Especially good, especially like the simple stuff. Yeah, is you just feel so good digested easy and totally It was easy. It was light like I yeah, I felt like You know how you feel like a weight after you eat a really like heavy meal like it like none of that I just felt like good. Yeah, it was really it was really good. I enjoyed it. Yeah, it was a good time. That was a very good time Yeah, it was a really I had a really good time. I had a great Justin invited this designer guy over who's sal dug and I had never met before and we had great conversation And I mean sure we were up till almost midnight just chopping it up and stuff. So that was a really really good time Yeah, good time. Good good conversation. So am I gonna see you guys at the baptism? Yeah, yeah, we'll be there Although I am not I was just telling Katrina that because it's tomorrow tomorrow morning That's the church. Yeah, and the Way back to my place is so this is gonna be the first like 70s day In in my place. Oh, no, it's a weekend. Oh, yeah So I'm pretty much like set up for a good two and a half hour drive plus home from your place So I told you this is after the reception. Yes, because it's gonna be like midday That's gonna be midday saturday on a 70-something degree day It's gonna be the day to go to the beach that it's a first like really beautiful day And make sure and bring that up, you know to rail yes Yeah, yeah, I'll let him know. You know, I made this right, right? So Dude, the real passive about it. Yeah, you're a glad I'm sat in traffic Four hours to get to see some sprinkled water on your forehead just so you know You know, it's really cool is that father steve agreed to come up. I'm really excited to see him So he's the produce. He's one of the producers or the producer of the word on fire Show so bishop barron who we've had on the show the buff priest. He's the guy we talked about jack He's like the the the spiritual enforcer He like works out looks like he works out all the time and he's all fit You know and he's super cool and he's in LA and it was like a shot in the dark I'm like, hey, would you like to come up and do is absolutely? Yeah, so he's coming up to do it for No, that's really cool. I'm I'm excited now Is he is he already here? Is he staying the night? Is he flying in tomorrow? I think he's probably I think he's flying in this afternoon And you know where he's staying or because I don't because you guys putting him up I thought you were you I'm paying. I told him I'd reimburse them and he by the way turned it down and I had to insist Okay, like what a nice guy. I know. Yeah, what a nice guy. I sent him some. I think I sent him some weight protein and creatine He's all into that, you know, so Yeah, that's really cool. Stay jacked. Yeah. So, hey, did you know that the I'm gonna bring this up? Justin, I don't know if you knew this or not. Did you know that they're thinking about bringing back? Supersonic air travel the FAA is is is like talking about it. What? Yeah, so do you remember the conquered jet? Was that what it was called the conquered so it goes way up in the atmosphere It was the one with that where the nose was kind of pointed down a little bit and it traveled supersonic Was it on the pot? Sorry. I'm gonna like take a left turn a little bit here But was it I feel like we did we share this on the podcast was at the conversation We had the other night about the blackbird that flew to europe in we talked about that Oh, yeah, it was like a couple hours or something Yeah, it wasn't it was it went from it went from la. This is the blackbird. This is not commercial But the blackbird fastest plane ever produced went from la to London in three hours a little over three hours when you guys said that was like, holy shit. That's insane That's really a spaceship. I mean attached to but that also gives me hope that we're not that far away from Commercial travel potentially being there, right? Well, I mean if that if we got I mean that would be so I mean that's what space x and blue origin and all they're all working on all that kind of stuff for For space travel to be like from here to The moon or mars eventually just just on the other side of the planet Just a map exactly or that just imagine what that what that would open up If you could get across the world like that that fast And then obviously do it in a reasonable I know it's going to be expensive, but everything is I mean a cell phone But if I have to wear a mask, I'm not gonna do it That's really where I'm at, you know, that's so we're waiting right now You know my best friend invited us down to do disneyland in august for their son is My god son is Three and a half gonna be four And they're gonna go down to disneyland and I told Katrina I was like, I wanted to wait till max is a little bit older But you know, what the hell maybe we'll go and actually what's keeping us from booking it right now Is that the the law's still right now for a two-year-old on the plane? And I just know that I It's just not gonna happen and then I don't and then they'll kick you off Yeah, and I don't even want to be in that situation like I'm not I don't even want to put myself in that situation Yeah, because you know how you're gonna want to react. Yeah, I would yeah exactly So I'm like I just if that's gonna be the rules and that's the rules on we're not gonna go So yeah, we're on the fence right now for that same reason. I don't know what's gonna happen I know we were originally everything was supposed to be lifted in california like this this coming week and that's all Yeah, magically june 15th and then it didn't happen So do you guys do you now do you guys know what is going to happen? Like I don't I have no idea I'm not I don't you guys don't at this point. It's just they'll they'll just say something and not come through Yeah, so it's I don't anyway. Sorry. I know. Yeah distracted. So so check this out So united airlines is gonna build or purchase 15 supersonic jets And the fa fa is probably gonna accept these and then that yeah because Now that I'm sure it'll be commercial use commercial use and and what is the now obviously the blackbird was is much faster But how how fast are we talking about cutting trips in half in a quarter faster? Oh, right, dude? Well, tell me tell me I don't know what what businesses are behind this too. Is it like bowing and you know someone first I want to know like how much faster this is gonna be like oh, they're supersonic They'll fly 65 to 88 people in the planes. Okay And they're saying it'll be the goal is to do it by 20 29 So they're twice as fast. Okay twice as fast. You cut your fly time in half So san francisco to tokyo san francisco to tokyo is six hours instead of 10 hours over 10 hours. That's that's amazing Yes, so this is a good. This is I mean, this is kind of cool. Now. Remember the conquered Was doing this and then it just they weren't making much money and people Oh, they try to do this already. You don't remember the conga 20 29. We're going to australia. No No, tell me I don't look up the conquered. When did the conquered so who who owned that The what or what er did an airline company on that try to do they try to start So the conquered is is the name of the jet and then airline companies owned it So like bowing makes the jet. Yeah, they make the air france and maybe british airways. Oh, and they had it Yeah, maybe dud can look up now back to justins while you're looking at that Justin's question was is it bowing that's actually building it? I didn't I didn't say I mean just seems like a start a smart stock buy if that's the case I was curious. That's actually not a bad. That's not a bad Point there. I don't know. I'd have to read the whole article to see the the the jet itself is called Overture, huh? Overture is the name of but I don't know the new one not the old the old one was called you said conquered. Yeah Okay, this is it right here british airways british airways. Wow in 1986. No, 76 to 2003. No, it says 1986 Right here says 2003 so I mean it went for okay, so do you know why it stopped? It was too expensive. It just wasn't Commercially feasible. They weren't making they weren't making much money So do they have I mean do they have to climb a significant amount higher in altitude the pull the salt, right? So what what does that look like in terms of? um I guess turbulence and in terms of like yeah oxygen from what I read better or worse higher It's gotta be better better That's what I was gonna say from what I read about the conquered is it was a smoother flight? Yeah, because you were so much higher and there's less, you know resistance flying at that speed I mean, it's super rad. I was a huge fan So do you know the economics of this one? Like is it going to be really expensive also again? I mean, it's got to be more expensive There's no way you get to cut your flight time in half and then you get the same price Obviously sell out. Well, I mean think about it this way. Do you have you ever seen how much first class costs international? Yeah, it's expensive. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know. Do you know what the price is? Is it like $10,000 for a ticket? Yeah, yeah, no, it's really expensive. So, you know, you have you remember when uh, so who I know mark cuban has one There was that was like one of the biggest uh mess ups dug. I know you know this It's it's I've been oh when they offered a lifetime. Yes. Yeah. What was it? Remember that? Do you what what they it was a ridiculous price American Airlines? It was for lifetime Yeah, it was right after like one of our crashes or something They were trying to find a way to get money they offered these lifetime basically for like a hundred thousand dollars Or something like that. Yeah, it was it was it was a pretty steep price, but the amount these guys use it Yeah, I mean, yeah, no, they they won and I know I believe mark cuban. I think I remember one of his books I was reading. I know he's got it. I think also, uh, what's the guy? Oh, it was 250 000 lifetime ticket. Yeah And they actually lost money Because you had people who traveled so much Well, you just think like you just gave you $10,000 for a first class if you're like, okay Wait a second to go to Tokyo $10,000 first class. I fly six times a year. Yeah six times a year in about five years I'm gonna get my money back. This is a no brain. It's lifetime. Yeah, and of course it actually all that stuff went way up So, yeah, those guys have you guys ever seen the first class? How many of those planes are how many of those tickets? We're sorry dude. Oh 28 28 lucky bastard. Is that what I'm reading? Yes 28 Oh, wow, which one was mark cuban mark cuban is one of the 28. Wow. That is hilarious Yeah, that's great. Yeah, so have you guys ever seen the first class videos? I don't remember the name of the plane I want to say it's a Middle Eastern. Oh, it's the Dubai trip. Oh my yeah. Have you seen these videos? I haven't bro. It's like it's like a five star more hotel Like room and setup but on the plane like with a bed and tv's and Massage and it's not a private jet. This is like commercial. It's commercial, but it's first class and it's extremely expensive It's ridiculous. And I think the whole plane is Dubai or so opulent like everything about Dubai or that one Is it all tell you showed me that was what the atlantis or something that it was had Man, you could like sleep underneath the water in your room. That's so cool crazy Larry's pictures of these of these like rooms and stuff where they sit in it's emirates emirates. Yeah Oh, it's that's the name of the plane. I think it is. Yeah the airline. Yes. Yeah, but there's one Find out what a ticket costs. Oh, you know, it's crazy. Okay, so you guys know that we brought up on the show the other day The gold steak I brought up. Oh, yeah So our really good friend shout out to Jordan shallow just had his birthday and he was out in turkey And the he has one of those restaurants there and there I forget. What's the currency there? But whatever the currency there. It's like a thousand of liras. I think it's liras No, liras are Italian. Oh, it's not liras. I don't know. I'm this is my idea. Yeah, I don't know Gobblers. Yeah Giblets pretend like I know a thousand whatever's you know, cranberry sauce thousand pokemons. Okay, so that's a new lira. Huh? It's called the new My bad. Look at Adam coming in hot. Yeah, damn. He knows stuff Stay stay tuned. I know things Uh, so anyways, so he uh, so here in la and in, uh, miami the the minimum This is a steak with wrapped in gold. Yeah, the gold leaf, right? I shared about it before which I don't know if If uh with the guy that does the whole sprinkle thing. Yeah, yeah the salt bay the salt bay Okay, so if he has another location like that, he's like wrapped into this whole experience. How does he duplicate that? I don't know. Yeah, no, he just he drops in he was at the one in turkey when uh, jordan was there It's just crazy. So he just kind of he bounces around but I think I actually think that's actually Probably most of what he does now is fly around to his la my It just caters. Yeah, just does this and and cuts stuff for the celebrity Yeah, yeah, exactly and he shows up to some of these tables and and does that So I think that's kind of like part of why you do the experience is the chance that he may show up at the restaurant and do These things I see so anyways the reason why I was bringing it up was That they can get away with this bullshit In la and in miami. So it's the minimum is if you want a gold steak you're spending 650 us minimum 650 us Dollars and most of them are a thousand and above right in turkey. He told me that it cost him 150 bucks Yeah for that gold steak That's whack. Well, that's markets, dude But you know, but I think it was one of you when I brought that up said like well, fuck you could get on a plane almost private and fly Fly to turkey and actually get the steak and save the money and have a vacation Yeah, so if you were thinking about getting the steak in la maybe consider getting on a private plane flying over to turkey And having your steak. Hmm. I've always wanted to go there by the way. Have you ever seen their like their their architecture and it's gorgeous Beautiful stuff. I always wanted to go back Lee teppy there too. I have no idea. Okay. Yeah, that's one of those crazy I've always wanted to go there. No idea. What's Ancient it's like this They uncover I know I'm I'm into all the ancient relics and stuff. So I'd like to convert my dollars to giblets, please Excuse me sir. Yeah Dude, I had like no Stuff to bring up today, dude. I feel bad other than a few stupid things like so one thing Do you know it's physically impossible to lick your elbow? Yeah. Yeah, I did. I tried that man Yeah, who has it right? You can't lick your elbow. I mean we've tried lots of things. I mean that was one I can lick your elbow. I feel like I can though. It's like, yeah, it's so close. I can lick your elbow Can't lick my elbow. No, I could pick your nose, but not friends. That's your best random fact That's it. That's my tongue like every every tongue has its own Signature thumbprint since we're talking about weird stuff I watched a video on the difference between male and female orgasms And this is because of that uh podcast that we listened to on the way here the one with the testosterone the lady on Joe Rogan, yeah, yeah Justin said he listened the rest of it was not happy All they're doing is crying like half the episode dude. Rogan sidetracked the shit out of that episode. Uh, but anyway She's well call. Let's get her on the show. We'll get her on the show It's it's a book about testosterone and its effects on on men and women and it's really interesting conversation She talked about orgasms because she said that Oh, yeah, this was fascinating very fascinating She said people who go from female to male in transition. So they're given testosterone Notice a difference in their orgasms even if they don't get a significant difference Yes, and so I that that made me wonder like what are the differences? So here's what we know so far A man's orgasm is more acute and focused localized just localized Harder and shorter and shorter a woman's orgasm Is more just a body Not as like acute but more spread out and lasts longer And what's fascinating according to that woman is that when females transition from female to male That happens to them all of a sudden the orgasms become more acute more localized Sharper and shorter. How weird. So this makes me want to talk to somebody who's transitioned and ask them like, well What do you like better? Yeah, yeah, you've experienced. I'm definitely curious, right? I mean, doesn't that I've that and two because you know, the as far as the full body experience It takes a while to get into that headspace and all that kind of stuff for the happen versus like I wonder if it's like a lot easier to have like Orgasms and more frequently, you know the opposite you wonder if it's easier to have orgasm No for the for the woman that now has Oh, that's a good transition. I would I would probably think so because testosterone is such a driver of sexual You know desire that and that's what she said too. She said that I'm aware of my own orgasm Give her give her her plug. What is she's uh, she wrote the name of the book. She's a harvard professor. Her name was carol Uh, who who Hoven Hoven carol hoven. I think I think that might be carol. I just ordered her book Yeah, and it's what was the book that the tea the tea. I'll pull it up right now Yeah, I mean we should probably give her some love. Yeah, so I because it was really good I mean she what you could tell she knew I'm fascinating I mean, I'm I'm so interested in in this in this book in which you're okay story of Testosterone the hormone that dominates and divides us carol hoven Hoven and you already emailed her. I did email her. But yeah, so Yeah, she said this was what I thought was interesting on the podcast that women that transition to men They take the testosterone and they go through this similar feelings that guys go through we go through puberty And she was referring particularly to The insatiable over like the overwhelming sex drive and desire. I mean this listen, this is the deal Okay, if you're watching this on youtube, you're probably a guy. So you understand what I'm talking about But when you're a guy and you go through puberty, it is overwhelming. It is not it is a very interesting period You're literally horny All the time And she said that these women when they transition for the first six months or so they go through this feeling and they're like Oh my gosh, this is what it's like. Well, I have to share with the audience too What a nerd you are when we're in the car listening to this This is my this is my science nerd friend here like yelling at the radio when joe's like making a mistake No, joe sound of no no He's yelling at the at the t or at the radio hoping that carol circle and she did she circled back Because joe is trying to make this case that then why it's so weird that women dress with like, you know, why do women dress Typical provocative and yeah, like men don't and and and she she well She was going on this tangent trying to say that it's so strange and sal's like no It's really not when you think about what it's If they're trying to try to attract a mate if you're trying to try to mate Men do the exact same thing, but that's not how we attract we do it with status Yeah, exactly if I if I walked in in little booty shorts and my chest hanging out I wouldn't attract some guys. That's right. I wouldn't attract more women women that way But if I show up in my lambo and I've got my you know, louis vatan shoes and my rolex watch I'm more likely to attract more that way or if you and so guys do it Just as crazy. Yep as as women do that peacock in different ways Yeah, or just being like sense of humor. You ever look at what people rank For human number one for women humors always in the top three or five. Why do you know why because evolutionary? Why sense of humor if you have a good sense of humor because life was really shitty for a long time Life sucked for a really long time. So if you were if you were funny, you got we're gonna get dysentery and fucking die No, it's because if you have a great sense of humor, you probably have high status It's it's a part of charisma if you're funny and people want to be around you really in your tribe or society Yeah, sense of humor is always place the man in the higher status people want to be around you They want to hear you talk So it's like charisma charisma is the same thing Men women look for charisma more in men than men look for in women back to kind of like what I found fascinating about that Conversation was as they were going through that process like a young teenage boy going through puberty Like i'm talking about like a woman Transitioning to a man That that basically they they couldn't help but start to objectify women Yes, if they were attracted to women that is but that that was very fascinating to because it is so I mean it's such a powerful thing too and it's taboo to say but Every young boy knows what that feels like in terms of just It's hard to control and realize like how how much drive you have Towards sex and then trying to to calm down and control it I remember as like a you know 15 16 year old boy like having a girlfriend and if she like I couldn't Sit by her and not want to do sexual stuff and I would like like cry, bro If she would turn me down, she'd be like no, I want to watch Yeah, no, I want to watch the movie and but it but I you know Logically and look outside. Yeah, now you're a wiser Like you you think like oh my god, dude You couldn't even sit still for a fucking two hour movie, bro Like calm the fuck down, but you don't feel that way when you're that eight It's so uh, it almost feels uncontrollable that you just keep attempting and keep attempting and you keep attempting and just no No, no, yeah, please please please You know it's a finally like well, you know got all emotional about it, but that's I mean I remember feeling so Controlled by that that that urge for so many years as a young man. Yeah, it just takes over all of your thoughts It's a strong driver. It's until uh stress and life hits you and fucking drops your testosterone Well, no, I also just think you just start tapering off You start to under look here's the deal like the same thing with teenage girls Yeah, I had I have two older sister or two younger sisters I remember when they went through puberty They got feelings that they weren't familiar with and it was hard for them to control Themselves as well. You're just young you go from being a child to now having the testosterone of a man You don't know what to do with it and it's overwhelming now when you're a man Even if you have high testosterone and you're in your 40s. Yeah, it's not the same you're wiser You understand it You know how to process it and deal with it But when you're 13 and you're like you were a child, you know last month Well, yeah now you have when you're 13 you're trying to process that you're like, what is this crazy feeling? What am I supposed to do with this? I gotta go take a two-hour shower mom. 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So you go to bluetooth.com Use the promo code mind pump and you can actually get your first month for free. All right, enjoy the rest of the podcast First question is from reward pt movement coach Full range of motion during bodybuilding exercises always or partial reps to keep tension on muscles for a bigger pump or both Okay, so if if we're gonna do a head-to-head competition because there's value in both and it will explain why but If we're gonna do a head-to-head competition Full range of motion generally speaking is going to give you better results You have a larger range of strength that you gain because it's Relatively specific to the range that you train in so in other words if I squat 12 inches I'm going to get 12 inches of strength if I only squat six inches I'm mostly only going to get six inches of strength. So that's obviously valuable Also full range of motion tends to build more muscle generally because You're training the muscle As the muscle fibers slide past each other and contract and larger range of the motion You just get more stimulus When you do that now he mentioned tension keep tension. Here's a myth You can keep tension in full range of motion. Just like you can with partial not only can you you're supposed to yes So like like one, you know, people might say oh Don't go all the way up for a shoulder press because if you do then you lock out and you take off tension No, if you go all the way up, you don't rest it on your joints You have to keep tension the whole time So as far as keeping tension is concerned If you do it right full range of motion keeps tension the whole time just like Short ranges of motion do now. Where do short range of motion have value? When i'm trying to specifically add strength to a range of motion that i'm challenged with so let's say in my bench press The top portion the lockout is where I find I struggle So I notice i'm really good until I get to lock out and it's really really hard Well, if I do some sets of short range of motion bench press focusing just on lockout Then I'll improve that particular part of the range of motion Well, you see power lifters a lot of times like really focusing on that are doing like rack specific holes and things to address If they're gonna piece it out in terms of like You know different parts of the left they can then see where their weakness lies and let's like Work just in that direction. But you know in terms of bodybuilding I mean you see this all the time where they're trying to they call like what like the squeeze that the peak Yeah, like if a bicep curl or something like that I used to do this all the time. Um, I used to chase the pump. I used to do short reps Rarely ever do I do it anymore? The only time I do it and I think uh, you recently saw and I think it was your instagram you talked about this It might have been on the show Uh, you talked about how you like to use super sets When you are cutting and to me this is just like the whole 20 minute hit workouts similar type of concept here This way of training has value has tremendous value But you don't want to get stuck in training like this all the time. So then the next question is okay Well, where do you implement this type of training? Well, you know, there's not this set rule of this is when best to do it But this is how I prefer to use it Since when I'm on it when I'm on a cut like you and I'm reducing calories One of the first things that happens is I lose strength. It's just part of the process You're eating weightless food consistently. You're not going to be as strong as when you're fully fed That's just a fact right and you're cutting you're catabolic. So you're going down So you're going to lose strength So one of the best things mentally to do is to don't worry about how heavy the weight is And so that's when I love to switch to Lightweight do these pumping type of reps just to send blood in there get this workout get this burn And that's how I'll intermittently put them into my workouts is I don't feel strong today So I might head into a workout Thinking that I'm going to do full range of motion and strong lifts and go. Oh my god I am so weak today, but instead of getting so hung up on like, oh, I had to lift Heavy in a certain way today. I'm gonna you know, I'm getting a nice pump. I'm not I'm gonna lighten the load I'm just gonna pump some blood in there and so long as you are Mostly training in full range of motion. That's also not going to hurt you Yes, right if you're somebody who the people that are at most risk here Are are the people that always train for the pump and shorten range of motion up that is not ideal You train your body to move that way. That's right. That is not an ideal way to train long term Now if you train full range of motion 90% of the time To me, it's great to do this every once in a while and when I find value in a new stimulus In terms of what the question's asking I would have to go full range of motion all day long If you're going head to head and you had to pick one. I mean, yeah, there's no there's no comparison But I mean, I'll give you an example for me like for a long time I did this bodybuilding style overhead press where I stopped every rep right about here And you dropped it 90 degrees. Yes. This was this was a shoulder bodybuilder shoulder press Yes, and the first time I figured out that a full range of motion worked was when I started to do real overhead presses and go all the way down to my upper chest and I got more muscle growth still didn't do full lockout And then I met Justin and Justin talked all about overhead carries overhead carries are hard If you don't train it with that full range of motion and I noticed that was hella weak I was like, whoa man holding something straight up above my head and keeping tension is hard for me So I started doing overhead carries to make up for it And again, I got just way more strength stability and I built a little bit of muscle So this theory this whole why it's in the bodybuilding community is the thought the thought because this is what I used to think too It's time under tension and I used to think that you're losing that tension when you're at the end ranges of motion, right? And that's just not true And so yes to Justin's point if we were to compare them head to head full range of motion wins all day long But I do think that there are our places to play with the short pumping reps It should just be again. That's why I like to use the example of the 20 minute hit workout I don't think there's a lot of value in training 20 minute hit a lot or all the time I think that your body will get adapted to it and most of those great benefits that all the studies talk about Are in that short six week window after that it starts to diminish But there's still tremendous value in it So use it when it makes the most sense when you only got 20 minutes great time to do a 20 minute hit workout Or hey when you're in a cut and you know, you're going to be weaker Don't worry about doing the heavy full range motion. Maybe that's the day you do some pumping reps Next question is from kala roche. Is there a difference between cardio from running and cardio from pushing a heavy sled? Or are they the same because of the elevation of the heart rate? No, they're totally totally different one is more a steady state. You're going to build endurance It's your body's going to try to become more efficient at doing it The other one is more like strength training. Well, you know, we have we have to cover why someone would ask this because To us that's very obvious and easy But where there's this so I get asked like, you know, well is is doing the stair climber Les is going to build more muscle than doing running on the treadmill And that is that is I think a little more nuance than something as obvious Like a sled if you're if you're putting a sled a couple hundred pounds on a sled and you're pushing it 50 yards or 10 yards or 10 steps forward Yeah, that's closer to unless you're doing like an entire football field, you know the sled Then then it can turn into a bit of a cardiovascular. That's right So if you were doing like a of 10 pound sled, which is like nothing, right? And you're you're pushing it for a mile Intention I think is the point of it. So you have to discern What what it is you're doing with the object or with your body Uh, you know, obviously elevating the heart rate you're going to get that from even weight training But uh in short bouts and so if it doesn't cross over into that endurance, uh, you know Energy exchange then I would I would classify it more like as a strength type of yeah I mean it's uh And the the heavier the load and the shorter the distance that you push it the more like resistance training It becomes the lighter the load and the further you can push it the more like cardio it is to keep it simple for somebody Yes, I'm pushing a heavy sled. I mean I do this typically on saturdays and I'll do I'm probably pushing it a grand total of 40 yards It's very much like strength training. I mean your heart rate gets up So does my heart rate when I do 20 rep squats too I love it I actually wish that we could sort of classify this more as like work capacity because it is like strength training But also, I mean you're you have to move with it's it's kind of a different A mentality doing that exercise, but it's still providing a lot of strength benefit I I feel if you're doing it in short distances and you're you're moving weight Next question is from connor sherry What are the best snacks and quick foods to eat for hard gainers trying to pack in extra calories specifically protein? I want to address the snack word because it's been a while on the podcast I used to tell clients there's no such thing as snacks There's only complete meals and incomplete meals And it's like one of the most common questions that we get about like and And the reason why I used to teach this to clients is because I just think it's a It's a bad habit to get into Trying to figure out what's a good snack or a bad snack It's better to look at every time you eat it is a meal And is it complete or is it incomplete because it's very hard to hit all your macronutrient targets Regardless if you're trying to build or you're trying to lose and you're doing it through these snacks all day long It's just way it's much easier to look at the time you're about to eat and you're also far better off Resisting eating some food for that, you know to hold you over until the next meal Resisting eating that and having a bigger fuller Of complete meal than to have all these little snacks not to mention that category of food Usually what are you going to get out of that category? So like well, let's just eliminate that category and focus on the meals and then you know the spillover of like I didn't get enough protein. How am I going to do this? Maybe that's where uh an opportunity lies in finding a snack that has more I would so if I had a client well, what about like fruit like an apple or something right? Okay. Well, that's fine It's not bad But if I if you're going to eat so let's say an apple on average is about 150 calories or so Unless it's like a giant one, you know, let's say about 150 200 calories I would much rather see 99.9 of my clients Not eat the apple and eat three more ounces of the chicken breast at dinner Or two more ounces of the steak that they're about to eat because protein is much harder for them to get And a lot of times they fill up on carbohydrates And that's part of the reason that doesn't allow them to hit their protein targets I would much rather see my client resist the snack and then have a bigger more complete meal when when your challenge is Getting in enough calories and I know some people watching are like, uh, I hate those people But this can be a challenge for some people is getting in enough calories to Get to their muscle building or weight gain goals. I can actually be very difficult the things you want to look at are calorie density And uh digestibility because those are the things that will get in your way Like is this food something that I can easily eat and then is it okay and easy for me to digest because if you eat The wrong foods either you waste your time eating a big meal because the calories are too low or you eat food That makes you feel bloated and then you're screwed for the next meal. Now. I have some staple bulking foods that I would eat that were just super effective for me packing on size the the most Impactful food was literally I would get 20% 80% lean so 20 fat Ground beef and I would have that with white rice So I'd mix that with white rice and I would make the white rice with bone broth And that would be a bowl that was 1200 calories 60 grams of protein There was some good carbohydrates in there. It was very easy for me to digest. It was a very easy bulking meal for me inexpensive ground beef is cheap So is rice so is bone broth and then I throw in some vegetables on the side. But that was like for me That was a staple Weight gain food and one of the easier ones that I put together and I'm going to push back on the continuing You're naming a complete meal. That's right I'm going to I'm going to keep pushing back on the snack thing of like If you're a hard gainer and you struggle getting calories be careful and weary of filling it up with you know Nuts and carbs and snacks in between your meals Go get what you need through whole foods and whole meals first And then if you were a client of mine, that's a hard gainer I might allow you to enjoy What the dessert at the end of the night looks like if you still need calories We've hit most of our our macronutrient targets You just need more calories some fillers and then I like then I would prefer to use something like magic spoon Go have a giant bowl of magic spoon at the other night where you get 40 grams of protein And you're not overloaded full of sugar and it tastes amazing So, you know pile that onto the end of the night if you need more calories But what you don't want to get caught up is oh, I have a hard time I'm a hard gainer and then you start to have all these snacks I tried this by the way too. I because and this is where I'm speaking from that I'm speaking from being a hard gainer my whole life trying to figure out the hacks To get the calories and a mistake I made was thinking that this was a good hack like oh, I'll start to carry I'm sure you did this too. I'd carry peanuts in my pockets and I'd have between meals I'm eating this. Yeah, we I'd have a box of wheat things. I carried all the time I did all that bullshit, you know, and you actually what you end up finding out is that you If you even hit your calorie target You fill it up full of crap and you don't hit the things that are most valuable like lean protein And so and that was just to get to your calories, right? So instead I would always coach my clients and this is myself also Get all what I need like through these whole meals and a great choice You know some ground beef and rice is just easily digested. You can keep piling it on Well, do people associate like protein shakes in this category of snack because I know there's a lot of Eating a meal and then I did a workout. I get a shake And then I eat another meal and then I get a shake and then I go to bed and I get a shake so my my most valuable piece of advice when it comes to A hard gainer and how to use shakes in my experience. So this is my own personal experience That I found was I did like to do a shake right after my my workout Because what I found was I could pound it really quick and then in the car by the time I got home I was still hungry because I just had this intense workout that shake had already digested. It wasn't very much I got my got my protein intake and then I'd sit down and eat a whole meal like that I found so you could sneak in more calories that way. That's yeah Here's the second value with protein shakes is at the end of the day when I look at all my calories and I go Oh man, I missed it by 50 grams of protein or by 500 calories. Okay. Here's what I'm gonna do I'm gonna make myself a shake throw some bananas and peanut butter in there Blend it up and now I made up for the difference But it definitely those are the two ways I use shakes exactly But the goal by the way is always to get it through whole foods So my I set out every day with the intent to eat meals just like sal just suggested, which I think is great You know or quinoa pasta and sweet potato yams All those are great choices And even if you're fine if you don't like gluten doesn't bother you even regular pasta and potato white potatoes Everybody think demonizes. Yeah, but if you like that stuff like eat that with your your meats Hit your protein targets if you're still struggling then pile the shake on at the end of the night Next question is from Ethan Nitzel What are great exercises to improve your vertical jump? You know, it's funny about this Had you asked me this 10 years ago? My answer would be focused around building power and strength Yeah, and that would be improve your vertical jump. Then I met all technique Yeah, then I met pj performance by a great instagram page really really smart guy. This is his expertise And he would improve people's verticals by tremendous amounts And most of it was Technique of jumping yeah this skill of jumping and of course this makes perfect sense jumping Running throwing a ball throwing a punch There's a lot of skill and technique involved And if you maximize the efficiency of your movement and maximize your technique The dividends that'll pay you back are tremendous. So I would say that's the most important thing Then you can look at building strength and I totally agree and I've had clients like this too I feel a little bit guilty because I was approaching it with that same mentality. Oh, we need to do some some power cleanser We need to do some explosive type exercises with weight in order to get them to then have that effect where Um, they're gonna have this like recoil effect. They're gonna jump higher, you know by default but if I would have known all these like very specific types of biomechanic techniques to approach the jump to You know get a better stride You know lots of things that he teaches on there in terms of like, you know, even how to land and how to you know decelerate properly and You know how to control your body better how to have like the proper mobility so it allows You know the full the full range of motion capacity that You know your joints can go through so, you know, that has a lot more value to me now than the strength training part of it well, I'm gonna redeem you guys a little bit though here because I I was a kid who played basketball and I never squatted as a young kid and Later on in my early 20s Uh, I began to squat I began more motivated to you know be a buff guy, right and I was playing less and less basketball And I began squatting for like the first time in my life and I you know back then like 225 actually was a lot of weight to squat for me and I'd worked up to that And I remember I hadn't played basketball in a pretty extended period of time And you know then I got out there with the buddies to do it and I could throw down and I could throw down like Way I could I could barely like once a season I could at the peak of the season when I have worked on my technique and I was lean could get up there and kind of dunk it I dropped step two hand dunked it and was like it blew me away How much you know training the squat actually did improve my vertical Oh, yeah, you keep the technique the same and you get stronger of course So yeah, so I just want getting stronger as a factor Okay, so I just want to make that clear to someone who's listening right now If you're that's a good point If you're not doing any sort of strength training and you build the strength the explosive power from like a squat It like for somebody you will see that translate into your vertical Now that being said Uh, if you are not following, uh, paul fabrics, which is pjf performance If you're not following, uh, max smarzo, which I believe is that's an is it under his name? I think it is max smarzo and also our buddy kory, uh, kory slussinger kory slussinger The three of them kory is the uh sports performance coach for the phoenix sons, which are kicking ass right now, right? So if you're not paying attention to him, you're losing on this battle too And then also I think paul is one of the the greatest strong by sciences Thank you and max and paul are business partners. So those three guys, I think are leading the way in, uh, Basketball specific sports performance, although that translates into other sports So if you are an athlete or you're interested in that, uh, those guys are a wealth of knowledge I've learned a ton from just following them. I remember I found paul when he had like less than 10 000 followers I remember showing justin look at this guy. This guy's got incredible content and he puts out well the point I guess and and i'm glad you brought that up too because I mean we could Like maps performance or like our you know, even maps in a ball like where we're just focusing on the entire body getting strong Having the foundational strength uh first. So I guess from my perspective it was I was training People that would come to me that had already been, you know, building off of their strength But now they're they're really hyper focused on, you know, improving this technique, which is really what it is It's the technique of it once you have You know that base strength. So, you know, and we're always talking to the general audience of people out there So, uh, you know, our wheelhouse is definitely in that direction And that's why we bring them up because they've taken the technique of it and fine tune it in a way That's like, you know, superior to what else I've seen out there But that matters. Yes, you know because Who we're talking to makes the world of a difference as far as like what advice is better or not If you've been strength training for a very long time And you just want to increase your vertical then I would push you in the direction of technique, right for sure But just getting stronger is going to carry over Into vertical and speed that's the first thing you need to do you throw a punch You gave all these analogies of sports. Listen, I've never been a boxer But I guarantee you Me hitting you today versus me punching you 15 years ago, you know, and I might have been I was quicker faster Which everyone knows speed is very important with punch But I am much bigger and stronger and have more power behind me. You can anchor yourself. That's right. And so similar similar It's all important. Uh, but if you compare head to head techniques in any physical pursuit That is athletic technique is always it tends to be king But if you're just generally stronger that works too. So how would you improve your vertical jump with strength? squats split stance squats Single leg type squats, and then of course you can train your calves. You can do explosive plyometric type exercises But I'm gonna tell you this right now if you got bad technique Uh, it's it's gonna make a difference but not a huge difference and to highlight that point you're making is I remember when paul was on the show. I think he brought this up on the show If not, we talked about this off air that uh, he actually took and I believe he was a Collegiate level athlete and and gained six inches. I mean that's huge on his vertical changing his insane I wish I would have met him when I was right in the same day. So just to highlight that was strength No, you can't no, you're not your squats will not give you six inches vertical in a day Maybe not even over a year probably, you know, it would not that I mean that's a lot So technique does matter that much. Absolutely. Look if you lack our content You lack our information head over to mind pump free.com Check out our free giveaways. We give away stuff all the time. Again, it's mind pump free.com You can also find all of us on instagram So you can find justin at mind pump justin me at mind pump sal and adam at mind pump adam Just know right away when you're eating the right types of foods that are benefiting you and it's not just about flavor And just about calories. It's about like, you know, what quality of food you're putting into your body But then also like what kind of movements are you doing and and if you feel strong and able bodied Like what kind of mood that puts you in it's huge