 And they say, okay, we're going to commercial break. They take the war. They walk off. Next thing we know, boom, the dough slam open. Here come Tupac down the, down the road with about a hundred, half-crips, half-bloods. And he got on fatigues. So when we get in the back, they're like, yo, pop coming back this way. Biggie them had just performed. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gonna talk. As you talk about that, look at what's going on with Puff Daddy right now. I mean, I mean, it's warranted. I mean, baby, how do somebody who never wrote a song, produced a record, got all the money? That's real. Boy, that's real. Bars. Somebody facilitated you to be able to have all the control over. And if you ain't got the talent and you can't write it, you can't produce it, then you got to use something else. It's called sex. That's how you control. That's old. That's, I mean, that's the old world. But if think about it, a person who don't got the talent is gonna be more demonic, more evil and more heartless when it comes to taking something from somebody because they can't produce nothing. That's real. Man, I- You've been in this business a while, so you've seen a lot. Yeah, I mean, that's why, you know, people got mad at me in the dialogue conversation. I said, check this out, bro. I ain't never put my name on nobody at work. I ain't never took nothing from nobody and I ain't never stole nothing from nobody. Now, can you say that about most of these people at the top? You can't. You can't. So, if you got all these people, I'll be highlighting this. I'm the greatest, I'm the greatest. And then you look down the, did you write that? You didn't write that? Well, how do you replace it? I'm just saying, are we gonna be, are we gonna live in a world of falsettos? Are we gonna live in a world of truth? Cause that's the reason why the youth ain't listening to the grown folk now. Cause y'all did too much live for certain people and the kids can see that that's a false. That's real. That's a fake. But you want me to believe the fake is as good as this. Now, if you're gonna make a fake as good as this, then hell, we ain't gotta believe nobody's great. That's real. I wanna ask you about it for real. I wanna take you down this road, man, back to the Soul Train Awards wins. You know everybody I always ask you about this. I had OG Pairu on here and he was there that night and he was like, Don Cornelius wouldn't, at first like he wouldn't let, cause he was with Chugna, they wouldn't let him in. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, they wouldn't let him in. So explain to me how, from your side, like how did that night go just up on their arrival and everything that transpired? We were there, we was going on stage, we was giving an award to, I think, Jagged Edge. Jagged Edge or one. Boy, I was gonna get married with Jagged Edge. I think I was gonna marry some of that shit. I don't talk about it, though. Man, every next day, we've been a little conditioned off. That was the song, man. So we're giving them an award for that. And they say, okay, we're going to the commercial break. They take the award, they walk off. Next thing we know, boom, the door slam open. Here come Tupac down the road with about a hundred, half-crips, half-bloods, and he got on fatigues. So when we get in the back, they're like, yo, Pop coming back this way. Biggie had just performed. Biggie had just performed, I think, I think it was one of his little records and he was walking in the back. I remember he had on a Tuxedo. So it was one of them faith, I think him and Faith record. It was one of them kind of R&B records. So he wasn't even in no hip hop kind of guy. He was dressed up. So he was kind of like standing here. Pop see us, he's like, yo, y'all, y'all, what's up? Goodie, goodie, goodie. So was Pop came without shoes? He was already in? Or was he? They all came in together. They all came in together. They all came in together. Pop was just in the front and everybody was following Pop. And once Pop walked right through the auditorium, everybody was like, Tupac, Tupac. He walked past the seats and walked and went in the back. So all of the people followed him. So just imagine that we standing here and he walks up like, KB, what's up, what's up, what's up? And while he talking to us, he looked like this, and he see big. He was like, yeah, go that fast, blah, blah, blah. That's what he started going, oh, what he started doing? We sitting there like, oh, y'all, I did. And that's what Don Kenees came out like, like, hey, bro, shoot. And he pulled shoot to the side. And that was the first time I ever seen Sugar Bell rounded up, but he rounded it up that night. He rounded it up, man. He meant everything get right. Yeah, but that's all he did. He knew called Don Kenees kind of gave him that look like, hey, man, you tell my shit up there. It's going to be a different set of troubles for you now. He ain't going to play with him a little now, you know. Take it outside. Them children, this is my shit. That's right. And you know, the right fell, you know, he was like, okay, you right, you right. Hey, y'all. This shit going to get my view. So for me personally, like him, Don Kenees, and another person that really, really did a lot for the industry that people don't talk about. And that's Barry Hanks. Yeah. Who's that? Elias. Oh, okay, got it. That's the one that I totally talked about on the show all the time. That's, that's, that's like, that's who read sugar. That's who read a lot. Jimmy Henshaw. So I was with that crew. Yeah, I was with him. So it's like, oh, gee, stay here. You know, Barry Hanks is like, you know what I mean? So it's like, for me personally, I just look at the ones who are renegade, J Prince. I look, I look at everybody. When I look at Luke, when I look at J Prince, when I look at everybody who was successful outside of what people say is the nucleus, which is New York, they don't get the same respect for building their empires without the corporate people's money. Everybody in New York had the corporate people's money. People in the South had to put their own money on it. Man, but don't you, don't you think that helped the game because of the way, even to this day? That's why they sleep when we've been awake for 20 years. That's right. They've been asleep. Like I'll be like, man, what you talking about, man? The game been over. Wow. The game, the game, if it was a war between us and y'all and it was about music, man, that been over, man, 20 years ago, man. What did you think when Master P did that run where he was, it was everything, the LOD, everything that was coming up? Master P was degraded because... You remember that, don't you? It was amazing because I didn't really notice him until we got to the Bay Area. And we was doing, you know, that's when you still had mama pop stores and you get to the mama pop stores. And we left the Bay and we went to Chicago to a man named Mr. Daniels. And it was a shop on the west side. And we walked in and P had 50 albums on just one wall. And I was like, hey, man. Hey, man. Hey, hey. You know, he was like, bro, like bro driving the album every month. And I remember being, you gotta understand, Master P beat Goodie Mark. Man, I got the hookup beat our second album. And we thought that, like, wait, we wasn't mad, but we just didn't understand. You see what I'm saying? Because we were coming at another place. I've never been able to go into the studio and do this gangster music that E-Folk was able to push. And now that you know 20 years later, these folk was telling them folk, go do that. That's what we looking for, right there. That gangster shit right there. And the whole time I'm standing doing that. I'm standing like, I'm doing something like, guess who? My mama coming to get me. Like, we doing soul food. We doing self there. We trying to teach. And at the same time, now 20 years later, you sitting up here like, damn. Yeah, we on boss talk, one on one. Yeah, we gonna talk.