 Ewww. He's doing the chop up. Right. Alright. Oh, stream size is okay now. Not bad. Yeah, bad. They're okay. They're okay. Oh, well, it starts streaming. It won't matter no one is going yet. This. Here? Well, I've got my daughter and my daughter. Patrons? The patrons? Boom. Get that up in there. Oh yeah, get that up in there. Oh yeah, you know. You know we get that up in there. God, we are something special sometimes. Yeah. Sounds like a racist version. I'm trying to fire up the Death Star from Star Wars. Good God. Make sure I do this time. Actually hit local recording. So I'm not downloading it. Oh, well, actually the quality is pretty good. Quality should be good every time because I've subscribed to the internet. But rage. Roid rage. Roid rage. Hmm. Oh no, my mom is gone. It's been so long. Sony will go to the front? Sure. It says left and right. What? There's a left and right down. Right here, right here. Oh, come on here. There's the other way. See? I think someone... That's why there's a patty on here. It's possible your kid's ripped it off. What is this? I got jizz in the side of the head. It's fine. Yeah, there was definitely a patty on here. Holy crap. That hurts. Oh, good thing I have him. I'm not the one that lost or good said. Hey, hey, hey. There's somewhere. Oh, how's it going, Andrew? Busy as usual. Busy as usual, huh? You ready to do this thing? Yep. Just like SGDQ, let's do this fast. Yeah. No, I got you. All right. Are you recording any audio over there? Just started. All right. Let's sync it up. You know how to do. One, two, three. All right, one more time. One, two, three. All right, close enough. I usually don't have to use the audio, but I guess I have to. One, two, three. Oh, wait. Oh, wait. I suppose I should probably give you a chance to realize that I'm counting. One, two, three. Hi, patrons. One, two. One, two. All right. Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Nintendo Prime Hikers episode 111. I am your host with the most Nathaniel Ruffle chance and to my left and your right as always is Eric Moore. And we have a special patron on this week, Mr. Andrew 243. How's it going? Good. I have returned. He has returned. And what? It's been a while, like a month. Mario Maker 2 wasn't announced before the last time I came on. Great, then. So it was pre... Yeah. So here's the deal, folks. If you would like to be on an episode of the podcast, head over to patreon.com. $20 a month gets you on an episode of the podcast or at least an opportunity to be on. I need to be open and honest. And this is actually a note to our $20 backer that you have. If you want to be on the podcast and take advantage of the $20, you have to sign up. We have a post that goes up on Patreon at the beginning of every month and you need to sign up. And if you don't sign up, then you don't get on. I've done the individual contacting people before and it just becomes a huge hassle on my end versus having it all centralized where I have a post. Go to it. Sign up. It's for $20 backers only. So I might do one reach out in July to each of the $20 backers and kind of remind them to take advantage of it. But if they just have no interest in it, then I'd... Okay, thanks for the $20 that you're not taking advantage of. We have other tiers as well. $10 and up. You get to watch our podcast as it's recorded. So you guys actually get the podcast early, essentially. Our $5 and up backers get the audio version early on Sundays. So the $10 up backers, even if you don't catch the video version live, you will get to watch it like literally as soon as it's done recording. So that'll be available for you early as well. We do record our podcast on Thursdays to release publicly on Mondays at 10 a.m. So if you are listening to this podcast when it's public and live and you want to get it earlier, well, those are how you get it earlier. That being said, we do need to shout out a bunch of patrons because we do shout-outs for all of our... I think it's $10 and up or $5 and up. I can't remember. I think $5. I think there's fives in there. Well, it automatically sends it to me and there's no order to it. Yeah, there's a... Yeah, it's $10 and up. So $10 and up. I thought there was a $5. No, there's a $5. What the heck? You know what I think it was, though? I think they were higher than that at the beginning of the month. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's possible. And I think there's two copies, maybe. I saw Neil Willis listen twice. Neil Willis, what are you doing? Right? Attention, Neil Willis. I haven't even seen him on a live stream in forever. Anyways, let's just get through this and thank all of our patrons, I guess, for maybe the $5 and up, whatever it happens to say on this piece of paper. It says I owe 28 people thanks on Patreon. So we're going to go with that. And next month, I'll double-check that to make sure it's actually doing it. Right? Anyways, so I apologize if any of this gets butchered. It's a little weird. Be righteous. Thank you so much. He is a $20 backer on Patreon. Got the next one, man? Corey Boehm. So Corey Boehm, I know it says 10 right now. He actually is a $50 backer for this month. He downed it for 10 for July, so it doesn't sound as good now. But he was a $50 backer. Thank you so much for that extra support while we went to E3. I greatly appreciate that. Next up is Neil Willis. Has him at $5 now. I thought he was a little higher, but maybe he's only at $5. What's next? Mr. Two Homes. $20 backer for Two Homes. Obviously we have the one, the only, Mr. Andrew 243 who's on this podcast right now. Thank you so much, Ryan. No problem. Anytime. $20 backer right there. We have Robert Wood as well at $20. Robert, my man, where have you been? Where have you been, man? Thank you for supporting, but you used to be in the Discord all the time. Well, that's another benefit. You get access to the private Discord stuff. So Robert, man, hit me up. Let me know what's going on in your life, man. I miss talking to you. Then we have Mr. Robert D. Smith IV. Yep, $20 backer. Look at all these $20 backers. Guys, take advantage of your benefit. You're a $20 backer. Let's go. Let's see here. Edward Norton. He does take advantage of his backing at $10. He does. He often watches. Well, if he doesn't watch it live, he usually catches it like when he has time on Fridays and stuff, and it's like, hey, at least someone's taking advantage of it. And I think Corey was taking advantage of it. And that's why, because he was a $5 who jumped to $50, dropped down to $10. I think he likes having this early access. Yeah, yeah. So that's great. Then we have Zenith. Yep, Zenith at $10. Next up is Roy Elmer, who is also a $10 backer. Please, guys, take advantage of... I can, like, see who views things, so please take advantage of your stuff. What do you got here? Mr. Lord Platypus. What a beautiful name. Fantastic name. A $10 backer right there. Cody Shadley. Thank you so much for your $10. And we have Fool of a Took. Fool of a Took. I haven't seen your live streams in a while, man. Show up. Thank you so much for the 10 bucks. Mark Boohegger as well, $10. Is this a repeat? I think that's it. I think there's a, like, a repeating... Yeah, we're repeating back again. Edward Roy. Yeah. Yeah. Why did it do that? It's like that copy-pasted twice. I don't know. I don't know. Apparently, that's $28. I didn't feel like... We apologize. Technical, printer difficulties. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe there's some $5. I don't know. You know what, guys? If you didn't get shouted out, here's the deal. All of you patrons, I greatly appreciate you. I don't even care if you're just at the $1 tier, or if you're just someone who used to be a patron and you're no longer a patron. I know how that goes. There's probably been 15, 20 patrons over the time that's been with us and aren't doing it anymore. I thank you for your support in the past and any of that support in the present. You guys make this podcast possible. You guys make a lot of what I do possible. It is a regular paycheck that supports Nintendo Prime and everything we do here. So thank you so much. I know it feels weird. Someone pointed this out to me the other day. You're going to thank patrons. You're at the lowest you've been in like a year, because our patron's not down to like $250 or whatever. But it's okay. Because you know what happens? People got bills. They got lies. We still have 50 people supporting us, which is crazy to me. Yeah. I don't know. I honestly don't think I deserve your support. So the fact that people think I'm worthy and think Eric is worth saying Eric things to you. And no, we still don't know who won the betting special. So don't ask. I know. I know. I'm almost through the E3 content. And then I'll finally start looking at that and have Eric double check. I mean, some things might not need double checking because it's not even close. Like the number of snaps and whatever. Yeah. Because once it gets to a certain point, you don't have to count anymore. All right. So let's get right into the topics. And I think the first thing we need to start with, and we're just going to briefly touch upon this because it is a very serious topic. I did a video on it. Again, I don't want to make this podcast about it. I told people I'm not going to do any live streams about it. But I do think because it is such a serious thing. And this is kind of a, just another way to get the message out. We lost one of our own over the past week or so here. You guys all know the news. Daniel Desmond Amofa, a.k.a. Attica, appears, allegedly appears to have taken his own life. He is definitely dead. Looks like he jumped off the Manhattan Bridge. This is, you know, he, without getting too detailed, he basically premeditated this and had a suicide note through a video and a bunch of stuff. He was one of the biggest Nintendo content creators ever inspired many of us. And the biggest thing that was very clear in his, you know, he's been kind of going in the downward spiral for eight months, is you need to take your guys' mental health seriously. I know it's hard at times to admit you even have a problem. That's like literally step one is being able to admit you're not okay. And if that is, you know, ever the case where something's not right. You're sad and you can't stop being sad. You even have a fleeting thought that the world is better off without you. Talk to someone. I don't care if it's your dog. I don't care if it's your parents, brother, sister, friends. I don't care if you reach out to me personally at Nathan at Nintendo Prime.net. Talk to somebody. Yes, there's suicide hotlines and all that jazz and we can put the numbers down there. And I know for some people it doesn't always work that well based on some cities you're in. They kind of rush you through the stuff and it ends up not helping much. But you know what? Talking to someone is at least self-admittance that there's something wrong. So please take care of yourselves. It's never worth giving up your life just because you're unwilling to talk. Because reality is how you usually get to suicide is through depression. And I have first-hand experience with it. This guy on my left has a lot of experience with it. My fiancé is well-documented, has a long battle ahead with depression. I don't know if Andrew 243 has any experience over there with it, but it's definitely something that is serious. And I don't want it to deter too much from this, but I wanted to just say, you know, rest in peace, Attica. I pray for your family. I pray for your friends and all of your fans that followed you all these years. I know we're all in mourning together. And stay strong, you know. Remember, you're never alone unless you choose to be alone. Choose not to be. Talk to someone. There's always someone that's willing to care for you even if you don't think they exist. All right. Moving on. Well said. Andrew 243 wants to talk about Marty Baker too. Oh yeah. No surprise. I cannot wait. Last podcast he was on, we didn't even know this thing existed. So, Andrew, I want to let you take the floor. What do you want to say? What's this mean to you? Because by the time people hear this, it's already out. So what's going through your mind right now? Super Mario Maker 2. It's reviewing really well. This isn't Mario Maker. This is Super Kaizo Maker. I cannot wait to just get into the level builders, play with all the new tools they threw at us, all the fun traps you can do. It's going to just be so much fun levels. I can't wait. One of the few games that's going to really age well at the time and just based on how good the community for Mario Maker 1 was, I'm expecting this game to just be really huge and hopefully supported with DLC updates and all the 3D world stuff looks amazing. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. Mario Maker, like the original Mario Maker when it came out, felt like a forever game. Like you're making Mario levels. You couldn't have forever DLC and keep it going, but it also released on a platform that didn't do well for Nintendo and I know they brought it to 3DS, but it felt gimped, right? Especially since you couldn't share levels online. That was like a huge thing on 3DS that you couldn't do. So in many ways, I do think this game was built on the skeleton of Mario Maker because, I mean, one obvious sign of it is one major glitch from the original Mario Makers in this one wouldn't be there if they rebuilt it from the ground up. So clearly they built it on what already existed. What are you going to do? Yoshi, Fire Flower, Holden Item, just guys know. Now it crashes the game. Don't do it. If you've ever played Mario Maker, you know about this glitch. Don't do it. Super Mario Maker 2 is, I think, just because it's releasing on such a prominent platform. I always wonder, like, is this it? Are we going to get another one? Because I feel like at this point, they've added slopes, they've added, heck, they're adding technically a 3D Mario game into a 2D space. Like, just crazy. I mean, the only next step from here is that we're making our own Mario 64-style levels at this point. Oh, yes. And that, to me, takes a whole new level of engineering compared to what this game is doing. Yeah, that would be so awesome. What's interesting is a lot of the reviews I've read because I'm not reviewing this game, so I can read them. Almost everyone's saying it's universally better than the original Mario Maker, but it's funny because they'll say it's better, but some of the reviews are actually lower-scored than the original Mario Maker. Weird. And I feel like some people are maybe holding it a little bit like, oh, you can't do the Amiibo thing this time around against it. Or like, because there is a couple of features from the OG Mario Maker that aren't here, but there's so many new ones. There's also a lot less shock value, too, for this one. You got to know what we're getting. Yeah, that's true. Like, there's no real surprises coming. Sure. That's also not a bad thing, because I already know levels I want to make and all the toys I want to play with. There you go. All the toys. What are you most looking for? What tool set are you most looking for or do you play with? I'm really looking forward to the 3D land stuff. I want to do those on-off blocks that were in, like, when Super Mario Deluxe first came into, which are so many cool things, especially you can do kind of like, I don't know if you can make invisible blocks have the on-off switch on them. You can do some really cool stuff with that. You know, also I just love making, like, kind of like tutorial levels, like how to use the cave and doing, like, advanced tricks and stuff. So, getting to play and make a bunch of those. Also, the fact that they updated, I think it was the keys. You know, keep your red keys whenever you get them and, like, the kind of little sub-levels where you got to get the red door to finish. Sure. And also, all the new flags you can do, so having to post, I think, what is it? There's collect all the coins or whatever. Oh, yeah. Dude, there's just so much stuff. I just want to play with everything. Yeah, no, I hear you. It's going to be an interesting one. Even the new scrolling, too. Oh, yeah, the scrolling. I love the new auto scroll. And you can make mess with the speeds mid-scroll. Oh, I know. Oh, it's going to create some crazy levels. I'm waiting for the person that, like, does it, then all of a sudden, like, it's going super fast and then, like, all of a sudden, it starts going backwards the other way. Yeah. Then we'll be like, wait, wait, what? You know what's going to happen. Here's the thing. I am not that into builder games, right? Like, Dragon Quest Builders, Minecraft, even Mario Maker. I made some levels. I suck at making it. Like, once you go online and you see the levels of other people, I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm done. I'm not making them anymore. I have no creative bone in my body. I don't have that kind of creativity. Yeah. So I enjoy playing other people's levels. And what's interesting when you play other people's levels is you get to some of the difficult ones. And I started to realize just how bad at platformers I am. Right. Like, there's levels where there is no ground and you're just jumping off enemies through spikes everywhere. How? And then, like, people are, like, doing, like, spin jumps on top of spike tag. I didn't even know you could do that until Mario Maker. Yeah. Like, that's how unskilled at Mario I really am. And yet I've beaten, like, every 2D Mario game. But I've just never had to use these abilities. So it baffles me watching someone like Bob Wolf or, like, someone who really masters this game, like, streaming it. And I'm like, what is going on right now? Like, the level of play you guys are at to even attempt these levels. Right. Like, I feel like I'm, like, first time ever touching a controller. Right. So that's the thing about Mario Maker, though, is there's just so much, it's infinite content. It never ends. And yeah, they could DLC it. I don't know if they will. I mean, they haven't even really DLCed Odyssey yet. No. So. Or maybe it's a Breath of the Wild thing where they just have too many DLC ideas that they're just going to go up in their game. But I have DLC. Oh, yeah. But I don't know. I don't know. I feel like Super Mario Maker 2 could just be a forever game and never end. But I thought that about the first one. So, I mean, do you guys think there can even be a Mario Maker 3 in the future at all? Well, I mean, if they want to, it depends on how they want to split up new content for it. I mean, I'm sure eventually we'll see a new 2D Mario game with new kind of core mechanics added to it. What will it be? I mean, here's the thing. We haven't seen one since Mario Maker came out. And now we have Super Mario Maker 2. So like, now we have two Mario Maker games before we see a new 2D Mario. I feel like 2D Mario, Mario Maker kind of killed it or cannibalized it or something. Well, we've seen a lot of the indie space, too, just like new ideas that Mario could adopt. Like, it doesn't have to be revolutionary, but I'm sure you can see new ideas added. But then you go online and you play some of these Mario Maker levels, even the OG ones, and you're like, okay, these are ideas Nintendo never used. Yeah. And this is using tool sets that Nintendo created. So I don't know, to me, anyways, I mean, this might be a bummer for some people, but I actually question, like, they gave us New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe because I don't think they plan to make another side-scrolling Mario game. That one didn't perform that well. What's up? I don't know. Where? Just went out the door. Okay. Sorry. That didn't mean to. Should have ran and go get it. How big was it? Little tinky big. Yeah. Sorry, I didn't... Where'd it come from? Over here. So it came from... Sorry about that, yeah. Did it come from out of that? I don't know if it came from out of the room or because I just saw a flash of something move and then all of a sudden it went under your desk and then I saw it as it was hitting the door over there. All right. I think it was in the traps. Yeah. Damn it. All right. Yeah, sorry to interrupt the podcast. All of a sudden it was like, okay. Yay. I thought I was seeing something, but then no, it's there. It's just a mouse in the basement. Uh-huh. Great. I don't have any mouse traps either. All right. Anyway, it's getting back to the podcast. Yes. I think that Mario Maker... I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying that another standalone 2D side scrolling, whatever, 2.5D can't exist. It's just, to me, I just go why when you have infinite levels already in side scrolling Mario, like they could just add the tools they wanted using those to this. Mm-hmm. I mean, sales is obviously the big reason, but I do question like, I mean, okay, this or you could buy Mario Maker with infinite levels. Because like, it's not like anyone buys Mario 2D Mario, especially for the story, so... Yeah, there's that. Yeah? I don't know. It's... I mean, that's the thing, like, I'm so excited about it, but then I'm quickly reminded that we haven't had another 2D side scrolling Mario since Mario Maker came out, which to me means I don't know they're going to do that. No, the benefit of that is, by the way, if you like games like Odyssey and Galaxy and Mario 64, we should theoretically get more of those instead. Well, the problem is too, Mario Maker isn't kind of like a set A to B experience. It's very open. Like, you know, I kind of do like some games where I just play it and it's like, alright, here's where I start and here's where I end. But they have a single player mode that is A to B. But I mean, they still have the added levels and like the endlessness. And it's not all like kind of Nintendo-approved, like you can make, you know, really wicked levels. Sure. Like even the hardest levels in Star Road in the world don't compare to, you know, the hardest levels that you're going to see out in... They have ways to curate it to just the Nintendo-made levels too. Like there's something like 200 or 300 Nintendo-made levels that launch that you can play within certain modes. So then that's my thing, like Nintendo themselves could just keep making levels in this and keep adding things. Yeah, definitely. I'm just convinced we're not getting... Unless Mario Maker dies one day, I don't think we're getting a side-scrolling Mario for a long time. It's possible that we get a third edition of Mario Maker, but I think it won't be until either a newer vision, like a newer, not like the next revision, but the one after that, or the next console. Because I can see them updating like a once per console type thing, or, you know, a couple... Kind of like a Mario Kart. Yeah, kind of like Mario Kart. Or a, you know, every other mid-gen, something if they have multiple mid-gens, I could see them doing that as well. Yeah. But as for straight 2D... I don't know. I mean, it's possible. Never said ever. But... Well, I think one that we gotta wait and see is how well does this game sell. Right. There's that as well. Because we haven't seen the full version of Mario Maker ever release on a system that it has momentum and is in the middle of its life. Like, yeah, they've released it on 3DS, but it was a gimp version. So now we have full Mario Maker 2. How's it gonna do? We'll see. I mean, Andrew, do you have any guesses at how much you think this is gonna sell? Actually, you're saying you're not asking that. I want to say probably like 5 million around the end of the year. I don't know. I'm putting it to DLC. I mean... I wanted Odyssey do 10 overall, I think, or it's close to 11 now. Odyssey? Odyssey's almost at 15 million. Yeah. So hard. I can see it doing really well. Well, the thing is, is 2D Mario games have always outsold the 3D ones. I guess it hasn't even been closed. Yeah. But this is a unique kind of game. And I'm trying to remember what Mario Maker itself sold. 4Mil. Okay, 4Mil. What did you do on 3DS, too? I don't think you did a lot. Was it like 1M on 3DS? That was on Wii U. Wii U was 4Mil. That was... It just gave me the... It didn't give you the 3DS ones. There it is. Hold on just a second. Is it on the top list? No, it's not on the top list. Okay, so... About 3Mil. Oh, it's like... Oh, shit. 3Mil. So about 7 total? Yeah. So I think... I mean, 5Mil to me I think is like the floor for this game. I mean, I remember Super Mario Party sold 6.4 so far. Like... I'm still no DLC plans for that. Of course, it's the 11th Mario Party game. So they're just going to give you another Mario Party game eventually. Yeah. That's for the real reason. They don't want to tell you that. But I do think that maybe we should get... Odd. I mean, it was 7 combined. I don't know if it's going to quite do that. I mean... I don't know that it's crazy to think this could do Splatoon 2 numbers. Splatoon 2 I think is at 8.7M right now. This is a make your own Mario game on a really popular system. Yeah, I wonder if this is going to get packed in at some point. They really haven't done a Switch Packing game. Like the Wii U had Mario Kart 8 and I think it was Smash and... They've done Packing games especially. They've done Mario Tennis Aces at Walmart. They've done Splatoon. But they had like the actual kind of more bundles that they try to push the Wii out of dropping the price. How they just push the games with it for the same price. I think they'll do that with the Switch. And they'll probably do like Let's Go. It's all the Odyssey and Mario Maker. I hope so. I could see them doing that going into the Switch Mini or the Switch Pro to kind of boost with that. I don't know. Like I'm trying to think... For a long time when they were doing the bundles with the 2DS, 3DS and stuff. They were... The bundles were all $40 more. So you were paying extra for the game. It really wasn't until late in the 3DS life cycle that they say, No, the bundles are going to be $200 with the game. And I think a lot of them would be... They did it for sales. To try more units that have dropped from the price. And the Switch obviously doesn't have that problem. Yeah. So I don't know that they're going to... Like they'll offer bundles again, but I don't think they're going to lower the price for a while. I mean Switch's momentum hasn't really slowed. And even in it being kind of slower right now, it's still leading in the MPD every month. And now, literally starting now with Mario Maker for the rest of the year, it's just getting hit with big game after big game after big game after big game after big game. Yeah. Like there's no reason to... It's also got no competition too. Yeah. Switch sales are going to explode. So, I mean, I'm not going to say like, go play Stage 4 next, but they're looking at like Death Stranding. They're going to have their time this year. Gears 5 and all that. Like Switch is going to be killing it for the next six months. So I don't think we're going to... I mean, it's kind of like what everyone says. I think we will see that price point when they're willing to drop the price of the Switch. Well, I mean, the fact that they still haven't dropped a lot of the games prices... Well, that's nothing new. I know they never do, but... Most of the Wii U games are still $60. Yes. I mean, to be fair, you can go to Amazon and find them cheaper, but that's Amazon cutting price because they have too much stock of the game. Actually, didn't the Wii U just actually get an update? Yeah. That's kind of crazy. With the Play Farm Mets... People still use it. That's dead. Quote-unquote dead. You can watch Netflix on it. Yeah. Oh, there you go. It's the only way to play your Game Boy games. You don't have a Game Boy. It's the only way to literally have a Switch type Netflix experience. Yeah, that's very true. Oh, man. So, I guess we can move on to the next topic here. Speaking of classic games. So, for a long time, the Nintendo Switch Online Service, a little app for the NES stuff, has had some SNES games in the code base. But Nintendo has basically said nothing about it. And this was months and months and months ago. And here we are still with not even a faint whisper that they might actually add more games to the online service besides NES games. And if the rate of the NES games they're adding, they could be adding them for a decade, and we still won't be done with the library. So... Yeah. Another thing that was interesting about all of this is back when Reggie Fiesemay ran Nintendo of America, he made a probably now infamous statement inside Nintendo that maybe wish he didn't say. The reason they stopped making classic systems, not just like Sally and the SNES Classic, but the reason why he said the N64 Classic isn't coming and why Nintendo isn't going to do any more classic systems is because their virtual console replacement is going to be the Nintendo Switch Online Service. But yet it's not actually replacing those classic systems, let alone replacing actual virtual console. Right. So, asked about what's going to happen with all these classic games, on Switch and stuff moving forward, at the latest financial briefing, Shanturo Furukawa had this to say, At this place, we cannot tell new information about future classic hardware among others. I don't know what that means, among others. They obviously have something going on with hardware. I don't know what. But we're thinking about... Make a few translations to you. Yeah. Well, I think they're talking possibly about, like, mini and pro rumors. Oh, I also... No, that's in a different question. This question was literally just about the... about the... the NES Classic, SNES Classic Virtual Console. They said classic hardware. So, I'm thinking hardware among others, meaning hardware among the other rumors. Yeah, no, I don't think so. Okay. Classic hardware is... They're talking about the NES Classic. I've realized that. But hardware... The hardware among others is where I'm talking. That's hardware. I know. But so is the Switch Mini and so is the... No, they literally had a separate question that was about the SNES Mini. Okay. Sorry. Just my thought process. I know. I understand the thought process. Investors are dumb. And they ask where a dumb point of... We've gone over that on a podcast, actually. I'm sorry. The investors are actually smarter than me. They're way better off than I am. So congratulations to be successful on what you're successful at. All right. Back to the... Anyway, so it says, what we're thinking about providing and... We're thinking about it. Yes. Thinking about it. We're thinking about providing an extension of the online service, which is currently providing FamiCon NES software, as well as other methods of providing them. So, again, other methods that maybe have nothing to do with the online service. We also recognize that there are opinions of wanting to play past titles. The question was apparently specifically about N64 and GameCube games, which GameCube's not even been available on Virtual Console before, so that would actually be a feature I think a lot of people would be excited about, because there's a lot of GameCube games that just never come back. So, I guess the thought process I want to throw out to you guys is... I mean, I think we know kind of how we want Nintendo to handle this stuff. But what do we think they're actually going to do? Because now they're saying, oh, we're thinking about maybe doing more than this. And we might have other methods of giving you stuff. Like, are we just getting another... Is this like, hey, look, we're going to do an N64 classic? We were just giving the classics a break for a bit. Let Sony and Sega screw things up, and then we'll come back and do it, right? Well, actually Sega apparently hasn't screwed it up, but whatever, let them have their day and then Nintendo... Oh, by the way, guys, we'll show you how to do it right again. Yeah, right. I mean, what do you guys thought... How do we think Nintendo's actually going to handle more than this moving forward? So, really, what I want to see is some of those older systems like Game Boy and stuff come back in the classic form where I think their unique form factor and the way they're kind of laid out with two buttons is kind of iconic to how you remember and want to play those. I don't think playing, you know, a Game Boy game on Switch looks too good. I haven't got a chance to actually play Castlevania yet on Switch, just to see how it compares. But I really want to see them, too, kind of update something like the Game Boy that you can come in with modern technology and put, like, rechargeable batteries, and you can even leave the cartridge slot in there and just maybe store all of it on, like, some sort of flash memory or something, and even come in with, like, a backlight or something, too. Or even throw in a GBA games. Like, I think there's a market for people who want to pay a little bit more money to like the classic systems to get more out of them. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah, yeah. I like that idea. Sure. That's a fantastic idea. I've been looking at buying modern Game Boys with backlights. I really want to get a GBA. Ah, yeah. Yeah. Um, gosh. How are they going to handle this? Oh, God, they're going to just keep doing what they're doing. I mean... Which is nothing. Which is nothing. But it wouldn't surprise me if... They know that they're talking about this. You know, the SNES stuff is broke. You know. Well, it has leaked, broke, whatever you want to call it. So it wouldn't surprise me if they start adding SNES games. And then all of a sudden, you know, they're talking about the classic systems again. No, it wouldn't surprise me if they come back out and re-release the NES and Super Nintendo. Sure. It's like, guys, we want something a little bit different. We want another one. Give us another one. A different one. Not the same, same old, same old. But I have a feeling that there's still a demand for the same old, same old. So that's what Nintendo is going to give you. One more thing. Either the NES and SNES Classic are obviously coming back because they sold out. Even when they stopped producing them. I still see them lying around now. Yeah, in my area, they don't even have them anymore. They don't even list it in the computers anymore. They're sold out. Maybe you can still find them online. But... I see them in the store. It's still a bit, you know. Yeah. But I mean, I think they're going to... I mean, one more holiday. Those are gone. I mean, they're not going to get past another holiday season. So I think what's next... I mean, an N64 Classic just makes a lot of sense. $100, like the PlayStation was, and actually they have a decent library that people are willing to pay for with good emulation. I mean, I'd love to see two controllers packed in, even though the N64 controllers are ridiculously huge. They'd be the size of the entire classic system, but whatever. I'm sure they can cut them down in size. That's the whole point though. All the controllers have been the same size. It's about recreating what that feel and experience is like. Sam's the giganticness of the actual console itself. Well, yeah. Because that's the mini part. Yeah. The classic, the mini. So I think... Here's the thing. They're going to add SNES to the online service, but I almost think at this point, if they announce SNES games tomorrow, people might be... Is that like an exciting announcement? No. I mean, we'd be almost a year into the online service existing, and now... Okay, so now every year we're going to get a new system, so then, like, well, finally, by the time we're talking about the Switch 2, we get N64 games. Hey! Hey, you can play Mario World either through your SNES Classic games online or play through Mario Maker. Yeah. Which one do you want to play, folks? I mean, here's the thing. I personally don't really care about the classic library of games in terms of their availability on the stuff, and it's weird because I grew up with all these games, so you figure I'd like to just play them all in one system, but maybe Nintendo's just yanked me around so much over the years having to rebuy them every new generation, this and that, but I just gave up on ever caring about them. And besides, like, the one that I really care about, Secret of Mana, which is available in the Mana collection anyways, that I could just buy for Switch, so I don't really, like, and other companies have already, like, gone that route where they've released some of their SNES games and other classics already on Switch without Nintendo's support, and so I just think that Nintendo's kind of in this space where everyone, and this is another thing we have to take into consideration that maybe is causing an issue for Nintendo because a lot of these older systems, right, there's tons of amazing Nintendo games, but they also were carried a lot by really amazing third-party games, and a lot of these third-party companies might be looking at finally realizing there's value in those games, and, well, things like the Mana collection, well, we'll make more money doing that than letting you just throw these games up on a SNES or whatever, or things like online game streaming services and subscription models to potentially gain access to these classic library of games. We see EA doing that, you know, Square Enix isn't kind of talks to do it, and it's getting to this point where I think there's sort of hey, there's value in this, people are willing to pay for it. Why are we going through Nintendo to have that stuff done? Let's just do it ourselves and make more money. And I think that might be thrown in a wrench in some of Nintendo's plans where it's like, yeah, we have our own thing, but we're going to be missing so many of the greats. And I think the only way for Nintendo to combat that and change that opinion would just to be do it just straight up scrap the NES online games and tap the NES online app and just make it Nintendo Game Pass and just have all the Nintendo games on their period. Just be done with it. All the OIPs you own Nintendo, just make them available to play. You want to add online updates to them later, fine. Granted, obviously this also comes with the fact that I would love for Game Pass to be exactly like Xbox Game Pass where you also get all of the brand new Nintendo games for one price per year. That's sweet. No way in hell they'll ever do that. Their games make way too much money individually to do that. Xbox doesn't release as many exclusives as Nintendo does. They might be heading that direction. Jesus, with how many game studios they're buying? They're buying quite a few. So, here's the thing. I don't like any of the current solutions that are like, looks like Nintendo's probably going to do. Yeah, obviously N64 Classic would be sweet, great. But so would a Game Boy Classic. There's so many things they should be doing that they're not. Game Boy Classic's about E.A. Mangan. I mean, at this point, here's the thing. A Game Boy Classic would probably be the size of a Game Boy Light but it would just look like an OG Game Boy. Yeah, or the Game Boy Pocket. Game Boy Pocket. Game Boy Pocket would be awesome. Yeah, so like, and that's the thing. Do they do, because I don't think they're going to have two generations of it, they're either going to do a Game Boy Mini Classic, whatever, or they're going to do a Game Boy Color, or it's going to be a Fat Game Boy that also happens to play the color games. We're just in advance with everything on it, please. Where is that? Yeah, it won't happen. Yeah, probably not. You'll want that, go buy a Game Boy Advance and then plug all your Game Boy games in. I mean, I guess I shouldn't say it's impossible, but I don't know. I don't care enough about the Classic library and what Nintendo's doing with it anymore because they've been screwing us around for too long, but they're still screwing us around. They're acting like only just now are they even debating on putting more than NES games out, which is probably not true, but it also feels like you're dragging your feet with it and people know you're dragging your feet with it. People aren't really even talking much about the NES games when they come out every month. I got excited for Double Dragon for a moment, but then I realized, oh great, you gave me one game I care about in the last four updates. Right? Let's just be real, I'm paying for the Sunline service so I can play games online. That's pretty much it. Something that I was doing for free earlier. Alright, next topic. Greg Miller, shit. Yes. For those who don't know, Greg Miller used to a former employee at IGN, worked his way up there from being a games guide, volunteer editor to be coming, kind of a big-wig writer, and then actually was one of the founders of Podcast Beyond, which is one of the most popular, if not the most popular PlayStation podcast of all time. Him and a bunch of his buddies from IGN spun off of IGN at some point like two or three years ago and created kind of funny games. And so he's just been wildly successful at that along with all of his colleagues. And that's great, that's kind of all the background you need for this story. So Greg Miller, which is one of the key faces of kind of funny games. This year, D3 had a big role in a lot of companies. He was one of the hosts that EA play. I know some people don't like the way he hosts things. He doesn't really care. That's his personality. That's what they paid for. That's what he got paid to do is be him. So he was him. And you're either like it or you don't. If you're a kind of funny fan, you probably thought it was amazing. If you weren't, you probably thought that it was weird because that's just the way Greg Miller is. He, a couple years ago, won at the Game Awards. The influencer or something of the year and the speech he gave was just amazing. He's very down to earth when things get serious and about caring about the industry and the developers and all that because a lot of people are starting to think he's kind of a corporate show because again, he was hosting EA. He was on GameSpots stuff all the time, the C3. But hey, I'm not going to knock you out for getting paid. Go get paid, man. Right. So what happened is he got an email from the ESA who runs E3 saying that he is banned from E3 2020 for apparently swapping badges, which is against the rules. If you tie that right up, you can't hand your badge to anyone else. That's like one of the number rules. They even tell you that when you pick up the badge, don't give it to people. Apparently it's an issue. I'm sure it happens when a gamer passes more than media ones, but yeah, because like, gamer passes are 250, so you might buy one, try to share it with your buddies. Don't do it. You're going to get banned and never allowed to come back. If it's a gamer pass, you're definitely going to get banned and never allowed to come back. Media, he was only banned for a year, so. Yeah. They like media way more than the high games. Yes, they do. But as can be seen by our standing out in the parking, not being able to stand in the stage. So it turned out to be a big mistake. Greg Miller had his pass the whole time. He claims he threw it out at the hotel when he got back because he doesn't keep his passes anymore. And he was literally doing the closing show at GameSpot as the show floor was closing and he couldn't be there without his pass. He literally wouldn't be able to be in the building, meaning that it was impossible for him to swap badges with someone or anyone to grab his badge out of the trash to get into E3 and be caught by security because E3 was closed. So literally the situation that he was banned for was impossible. Now it is possible that a fan took a video or photo of him that had the badge, photoshopped it, took the badge, printed it off and then tried to get in as Greg Miller because maybe they also happened to be a Greg something or a Miller something or a Gregory Miller or whatever. And they were trying to pass it off as, oh, I'm medium getting in and they're like, uh, no. They're very strict. I can't even put an eight chance on them. I think they won't let me in. It has to be exactly what it says on your driver's license. So this guy had a pass to Gregory Miller and it thinks it's Greg Miller, guess what, you're not the same. Anyways, so, I mean, that's the presumption of what happened or it was just a big, you know, kerfuffle and ESA just messed up and no one actually did anything wrong and put them. Possible. But what's interesting is this led to a greater debate at kind of funny about E3 and not about it to Wendeline and more so about the ESA and how it's handling, even just like forget gamers, how it's handling media at the event. So Greg Miller brought up something that I don't know that anyone knew about until this moment because it's not something that you would think this is going to care too much about because it comes across as entitlement sometimes when you talk about, oh, we should just get as many badges as we want to get in E3. Right? That can kind of sound like, oh, why are you entitled to things? Well, here's the thing. Kind of funny had several people in their group actually hosting things at E3 for big corporations, GameSpot, just as an example and all that. EA, they are literally they're repping those companies but they could were only initially allowed two badges to represent their entire company and they had more than two people that were supposed to host things. Don't worry, they could get more badges at a grand apop. Which is the VIP passes, anyone can get those. It's not like I feel, oh, man, you feel bad for kind of fun, I don't really feel bad for them, they're fine, but it brings up the situation about one of the reasons I think they only can get to is because kind of funny is basically a YouTube entity. They're fully funded by Patreon but all other contents located on YouTube. They have 200,000 plus subscribers and technically by the rules of of the ESA, kind of funny doesn't qualify as media because they don't get 50,000 views per video. So technically, I think that's what it was going on, it's oh, you guys, you know, because you have a rapport, you get in but you're only getting two. Which is funny because if they got the viewership they got but on a traditional website, they could have like 20 people in. So the ESA does not treat YouTubers very well. I can speak to that as a YouTuber myself, they do not treat us like trash. Also, they made the comments of smaller podcasts and other things that had gotten in in the past were all of a sudden turned down this year for with no reason really given. Yep, I mean we applied as a podcast first time ever applied as one, no reason given, just denied. Even though I know for a fact there is a certain podcast that got in, I'm not going to call them out because it's not their fault, they got in and they're smaller than my podcast, less viewership less subscribers, less everything and they got it and we didn't. So ESA isn't communicating well they used to communicate very well by the way like back when you applied in 2016 even, I mean that's just a few years ago they were very good about informing you on why you were accepted or why you were rejected that's how people found out that hey you need 10,000 hits a month on a website to get in who knows, maybe it's different now because people were getting shut down so maybe that's not good enough anymore. And the thing is I will say when I was at E3 this year they said, kind of funny said something that I actually agree with this was my 33, this felt like the most empty, I'm not just talking about in terms of like, Sony's not there so of course people, there wasn't as many people. Oh no, definitely. Like in last year and 2016 it was hard to move there were so many people. And I don't wish you we made that comment even standing in line it's like, we can actually move what's going on here. Yeah the lines are moving and it's great for people who are there it's easier to do things but I think what happened and what it sounds like from Greg Miller's side is that ESA is just shutting down all these media outlets and telling them you want to be here pay and they're like well we're not paying, your show doesn't mean enough for us to spend a thousand bucks a pop to be here. And the thing is like if you're a small you know, a small YouTuber like me you're not gonna grant and you need a team. So you need at least a camera man too so that's another grant like you're not, you know what small teams dropping too grand to get it that's crazy. Someone who's got stupid money. Someone who doesn't even care it's just straight up a hobby they're not doing it for making money or anything. So I mean here's the thing Andrew243 is on the outside looking in right he's just someone who goes the gamer anyways like is this something that matters to you in terms of someone who's not in the industry and just looks at E3 as I'm just there to get game announcements and move on with my day. Yeah, I'm pretty much ready for all the companies to just do directs at this point and maybe do like some hands-on stuff. I just like directs. Sure, well yeah I mean who doesn't like directs come on now, come on now. Or the anti-directs if you're a, or the anti-directs well here's the thing I think what ends up happening is the general public like you or honestly most of our viewer base they just, they watch the press conferences or watch the digital events or the directs and that's it. And then maybe they'll watch some of the Treehouse stuff because again that's like a live stream from Nintendo but Nintendo doesn't have to be at E3 to do something like that right they could do that from their home base if they really wanted to. So I don't know that the general viewer at home needs like the show the actual show floor stuff to exist unless you just want to attend but I do think there's still I mean this is just me speaking as someone who's in the industry is I think there's value to the show. Personally I think the show is more important than the actual conferences because all the conferences are amazing and I know as a gamer like oh it's exciting like that Breath of the Wild 2 announcement man you guys saw my reaction that I went nuts like that's amazing but there's nothing that compares to actually playing the games. As big as the announcements might be what does it matter if you don't play them? The problem is too is half the stuff is like in alpha by the time it comes out where it's going into alpha in like two weeks Don't remind me of the Unfinished games Release it basically in what is the early access state on Steam is what it feels like oh AAA game don't worry we'll fix it later no no it should release in this state delay the game what happened delaying games isn't the end of the world we got to hit our profit margins this quarter ok but if you release it in this state and you piss off customers you're not going to hit the profit margins the next time around this game comes out because less people are going to buy it so how about you just do it right. Poor word of mouth is going to get out there and less people are going to buy it going forward. See that's the presumption that hasn't actually happened yet though people keep buying the stuff stop well you got to remember a lot of consumers are certainly used to mobile games and still compared to that this feels a lot better it's also very true like we live in a world where everyone has access to the internet or most people especially if you're buying video games so there's like oh yeah but if I buy it I don't want to eventually be good so who cares I still got my money's worth because it's eventually good I mean we did that with Nintendo this isn't so much like a buggy game but when Splatoon came out on Wii U that was not worth 60 bucks at launch not even close Ace is still isn't worth 60 dollars but yet Ace is sold 5 plus million Super Mario Party I can argue doesn't have enough content for 60 bucks doesn't matter sold 6.4 million one of the best selling Mario Party games of all time I mean people are buying it so if people are buying it why would it change it isn't going to change that people stop buying it so as much as we might wind on the internet or make a ruckus about all this stuff or even like this about E3 like complain about the ESA and how they're kind of killing the media aspect to E3 which could actually help increase the cloud of E3 the more media that is there the more coverage you get the bigger the event seems to everyone else because like for me we have some hands-on impressions videos like my Luigi's Mansion 3 hands-on impression video like that thing is one of my top few videos from E3 I got like 6,000 views on that doesn't sound like a lot to some of you guys but for a channel my size that's a decent amount of views and that video doesn't exist without there actually being an event for you to play it at so I and I paid money for the privilege to even get a chance to do it yeah I went with the gamer pass so it's I think that just something has to change I don't think E3 has to go away I think just as an outsider I like having there's that one time a year that you pay attention to everyone I think that's kind of neat yeah that's why it's been called gamer Christmas for so long is hey look you know Ubisoft this year you knew Microsoft, Ubisoft Square Bethesda, Nintendo and a bunch of companies were announcing things all in the same time period and that's just really cool because that doesn't happen when everyone does their own events it's like oh what'll be excited for like these random events these state of plays, these directs when we don't know when they're coming they don't give you a lot of notice whereas this is like no we know every year we know when E3 is happening next year so we have all this build up to it which is so cool mm-hmm but I do think that there are some things like live press conferences I think those are kind of going by the wayside um and I think it's just because it's more efficient and cheaper and better delivered if they do it like Nintendo does and other companies are starting to do it as well because it's just cheaper and it's smarter and you are in a controlled environment better so yeah you could always question if what you're seeing is real but you should be questioning that anyways yep because trust me a lot of those stage demos they're staged demo staged yes so but I mean as for the show floor itself I mean here's the problem the general problem with the ESA it is made up of people from Microsoft made up of people from EA and Ubisoft and Nintendo so the ESA is comprised of all of the big dog companies in the industry all the big dog companies in the industry also have massively been devaluing things like YouTubers things more unconventional ways that news is getting out there that are quickly becoming the norm compared to the way news was delivered before so like there's all this love and affection for traditional media but no love for new media which has almost become the standard for media at this point so I think what has to happen is those companies need to slowly come around to the fact they do like when you see I don't know let me just throw an example of that you see Spawn Wave media out there plus things you know he can push a video up to over 100,000 you should be almost reaching out to him and saying hey we will I know you don't want to corporate chill it but you know hey offer him some perks to actually come to E3 and cover your games because it's massive exposure for your games it's like they're not realizing what they have here there are some companies that do epic as an example they'll bring out ninja and all that stuff and they realize that's a big deal they realize how big streaming is because that's what made Fortnite so huge but for a lot of these companies they don't view these content creators as a driving force in the industry and it kind of sucks because they are I mean he actually even recognized a couple of content creators any time PewDiePie plays a game that game becomes a best seller in the world for anything when it comes to content creation but still put that in your mind guys look at the influence that even me I'm a dinky nobody channel but my impressions on things sell dozens of copies of games that's hundreds of dollars of extra revenue in your pocket if you just treat with respect and allow us to play your stuff you know and I'm not like e-bagging I don't want like review copies like cruel if we get review copies great but I just I think that just the fact that I can get like one eighteenth of the viewership I have now as a YouTuber on a traditional website and I can get a media pass then but getting all the traffic I get now as a YouTuber I can't get a media pass that's backwards it should be almost harder for traditional media to get passes because they're not quite as relevant I can tell you right now all the years I worked at Zelda Informer I don't think a single thing I did there sold more Zelda games but I could always get a media pass not a single thing I did there it's a Zelda site of course the people that are buying Zelda games nothing I say is going to make them buy a Zelda game they're already buying the names that's why they're there that's why they're here they either have it or they're going to buy it which to them for me to be there other than hey cool I get to create a whole much unique content but it just drives traffic for me it doesn't make you guys more money you're going to make the money anyways whereas someone like me I'm a general Nintendo YouTuber not just specific not everyone on my channel is buying Mario Maker not everyone's buying Luigi's Mansion not everyone's buying all these games so having people go hands on with them is important but them seeing you play it or me playing it or anybody playing it might actually turn around and make them want to buy the game just seeing trailers for it and stuff doesn't necessarily it doesn't convey the feel of the game but watching somebody play it see how it runs you can kind of get a general idea of how things feel by watching somebody play it yeah I totally bought Let's Go out of I think it was a bunch of people playing it and talking about it like Spawn Wave you guys and that's how I end up getting Let's Go I didn't really want the game that much and do you regret the purchase totally well I had it with a gamer skull on box so my wallet didn't take too much of a hit there you go but yeah it's one of those situations where I just think there's a disconnect and kind of funny he's realizing it and I think they knew it back then when they first split off from IGN and Greg Miller mentioned we didn't know what was going to happen because now we don't have this big corporation behind us getting us into all these events right right well and they also made the comment of they had a couple of connections up at the ESA one of them don't work there anymore one of them didn't but they had a couple of connections and that they kind of went into that connection the connections like yeah yeah yeah we got you we got you then this year they emailed that a connection that they had and before the connection basically read as soon as the email went out the connection could even respond the ESA came back and went no you get two and you can purchase the other ones and it's like that's really guys they're a relatively large YouTube channel and still growing and they have a lot of influence in people buying games yes and they're actually hosting through a lot of your vendors that are in your building you're in your show there are a lot of people that apply through the vendor but they don't actually work for the vendors right right they apply as a media for GameSpot because they don't have anything on the GameSpot website as a credential to apply as a member of GameSpot so they have to get in this kind of funny so they can then host and they're not a celebrity like Keanu Reeves it just gets in for being Keanu Reeves you're gonna deny Keanu Reeves I'm sure if he had to pay cyberpunk to care of it yeah I'm sure but yeah Microsoft had to buy Keanu Reeves day pass did he get a gamer pass oh my god that would be terrible if Keanu Reeves had a gamer pass yeah that's why we weren't allowed up there in the 10 day one Keanu Reeves was waiting to get in oh gotcha they didn't want him to get mobbed so security brought him inside yeah that's what it was they were passing it off as they didn't know what was going on can you imagine if you were a celebrity and you're just like you know how bad it is I applied for media I didn't get one well fine I'm not media I'm a celebrity I didn't get a pass for some reason because I don't have a YouTube channel I'm an actor so I bought a gamers pass and I stood in line with the gamers that'd be crazy I'd be like this is how crazy it is I'm rich and famous I would make your event look good actually when we were talking to the guys in the borderline apparently Jack Black was there just as a attendee with his I don't know if it was his son they probably bought VIP passes but still that's freaking awesome you know is this not even 17 I don't know because you know how this works even the one rep that we were talking to at the Nintendo booth said that when you were playing the you were playing the Peach Ball I was talking to the lady there and she said that before the show opens like the industry people they're kids there and stuff like that well that's a little different that's not official show hours but still the ESA with nobody under 17 is allowed in here show hours is what it says on the site but it's all you're gonna tell Reggie you can't bring your kid here but you know what I'm saying even then can you imagine Reggie standing outside me like wait I don't get a media pass my people carry me into the book I know all the back entrances let me show you alright last topic quick there was a lot of things that happened in the financial meeting switch many stuff we're not really going to touch on I already did a video on that but there was a report earlier this year we talked about it on this very podcast that Nintendo's quality of life devices were done this is reported by Nikkei so again never substantiated by Nintendo but we hadn't heard about their quality of life they're working on some sleep device then it was assumed that oh when Pokemon Sleep was announced I guess that's where that tech went so Nintendo's not doing medical devices anymore but they partnered with the Pokemon Company gave them their tech in Pokemon Sleep that was always the assumption well apparently no Nintendo has literally nothing to do with Pokemon Sleep which is weird since you would figure Nintendo would actually want to help a device like that be the best it could be nothing to do with it and apparently Nintendo's still working on quality of life devices they just don't have anything ready which is scary because it's been like 6 or 7 years and they still don't have I mean it's sounding like the Wii Vitality Sensor at this point you know what it is it's the one annoying guy at the office that they have just stuck in a room somewhere working on a quality of life one guy hey if he's making bank who really cares so here's what Shinjiro Fukawa had to say thing with the quality of life stuff when he was asked about he says although it's a very long time ago as a challenge towards a new business we announced that we were developing products to improve quality of life even right now the development is indeed still continuing still we have not made a product that we can proudly announce as a Nintendo product Pokemon Sleep is owned by the Pokemon Company so it is unrelated to the development in Nintendo's quality of life business so basically they haven't made anything they're proud enough to show to the public now we know they were working on something sleep related because they brought that up themselves a few years back they were working on improving sleep patterns and here's the thing I think what happened is while Nintendo was doing that, a bunch of other companies figured it out now there's all these sleep devices out there that help monitor your snoring and try to get you in a better sleeping position in the bed so you get a better night's rest now there's those lights out there with the alarms that will kind of like slowly do like a sunrise thing because apparently if you wake up to a slow rise of light instead of like waking up with the lights just shining through your window you actually wake up without a headache and you wake up better apparently it's been scientifically proven that's the case, I don't know obviously everyone's different I've never actually woken up that way I've always woken up to it, my kids are jumping on me or there's a super bright light coming through the window and now I'm awake and let me tell you I hate waking up so probably I should try like the sunrise light and just kind of get up before the light is backing me in the face from my window which I have drapes up, but it doesn't matter when you have kids, you might as well not have anything so my, I guess I don't know if we have a lot to say about this because there's nothing, there's no device that exists but do you think that Nintendo is relying on this quality of life business the way that like Satura Owada wanted them to where this was supposed to be a major pillar for them and then we're going to get government funding and like being hospitals and stuff like this was supposed to be like a huge deal and it was supposed to somehow meld gaming into it eventually to sort of make whatever medical thing they're working on more interactive kind of like, I think what inspired him was probably all the stuff that happened with the Wemo with medical stuff but do you think like we're ever going to get anything out of this and it's going to be a big deal for gamers, I don't think it will ever be a big deal but I mean for the world of medicine or group homes or something, is there anything Nintendo can do that's going to matter in this space I mean the problem is it's quality of life and gaming are kind of the opposites of each other not necessarily though because the Wii actually helped people's quality of life without even being a quality of life device it's debatable how much like Wii Fit or something actually helped someone else it's not even Wii Fit literally the launch game Wii Sports it increased people in retirement homes and all this stuff it actually increased their physical activity and which made them actually live longer and be healthier so video games have been proven to actually and this is beyond talking about mental health crap or video games obviously help with that so yeah, video games can be a detriment like all you do is sit on your couch and never move yeah but that's not what Wii was Wii wasn't that kind of device yeah, I can definitely see it where you go to a workout and then you come home and somehow working out I guess increases some score whatever but the problem is is you know how do you really meld the stuff together at the point where tech is where you can actually really monitor a lot of stuff because right now food stuff is calorie counting and stuff and you can't really automate a lot of stuff like working out as good as motion trackers are are you really going to go to the gym wearing two ankle bracelets, two wrist bracelets and like a neck bracelet to track all your movement and even stuff like calories is still estimated well what if it's not like a bracelet what if they do because the technology technically exists it's just not available to the public there are like shorts and compression shirts that literally have tech in it that the NFL well the NFL should be using more but they don't use it enough but like rugby and all these other sports are actually using to track all the stuff already like the tech already exists already being used and it's not in like a it's in a it's in a form where you don't even know you're wearing it mm-hmm so like yeah yeah that's for more high-end sports where you're trying to be the top one percent of the top one percent and that's important they're using it a lot no go on, sorry you're just trying to get your workout in and you know count some calories do you really want something I don't know especially with cost I'm sure those shirts wouldn't be cheap well yeah the way it is right now it's not cheap and a lot of it's used for monitoring fatigue and there's a lot of questions like why like why the NBA and NFL don't implement it more when the tech exists to like actually monitor fatigue because it could help you prevent injury by knowing okay this player is exerted you know way more energy and their body's not responding you got to get more of the game so they can rest that's really what it's being used for in some of these other sports and I mean I actually think it's being used in some of the soccer leagues out there as well and it's helped reduce injuries in that game so the thing is like that's obviously a more conversation sports related but I do think there's a use for that technology that could be for the everyday person that maybe Nintendo like it doesn't need to be affordable with the way medical works anyways it just needs to be something that insurance companies will cover as a medical device right you put a leaderboard up and I think you're good oh who sweat the most today alright tracking your perspiration yeah but you know those wearables I think are going to be huge and like there's a thing there's already like Fitbits and stuff like those are massively popular anyone who cares about fitness always has one of those things on them I can start seeing seeing them actually start creating like actual games and stuff created more towards like fitness and everything else like that like your boxing games they have their their other stuff I have a thought on this and this actually takes me back to my childhood to something that actually was really good for you as a kid to play a game track and field with the running pad we saw it kind of come back with the incense revolution and stuff as well but if they can find a way to and maybe this is where they maybe need a partner or google or something for like google glass they can find a way like you're on a treadmill in a game how fast you are moving for different things to help avoid obstacles or whatever to maybe increase the pace over your normal walking or whatever it is and have you not realize like instead of tracking how many miles you've gone to how far you get in the level and then all of a sudden at the end you'll be like oh hey by the way you just ran four miles and you were only planning to run one look at that you didn't think you could do it but we made the work out fun so now just playing devil's advocate what happens when someone hurts himself gone for the highest war I can see that just being a huge break on bringing those to the market what happens when people hurt themselves on treadmills true still the wemoats going through the tv was enough to get nintendo to force the straps everywhere just to make it look like well they always had the straps they just emphasize that hey you should use the straps I think there's going to be if that's the case I'm pretty sure there's going to be probably monitors for like your heart your stuff like that on the treadmill to make sure that if your body does go into a certain condition it's just going to kill the game for you you're done you'll get the Zelda owl coming down every 15 minutes to tell you you've been working out too long you've been playing this for too long please take a break or hey your body's showing signs of fatigue stop you can monitor all that stuff and say hey basically just kill it on them and force them to stop or force them to stop to the heart rates under a certain right level as well because there are some treadmills, not most of the ones you see but there are some more advanced treadmills when you're monitoring your heart rate holding onto the bars that if your heart rate gets to like a 200 something they'll be like oh whoa whoa whoa let them act as slow down to a walk because like dude no your heart's too fast going to explode you need to stop but like you can't just straight stop because that's not good for you to straight stop you need to just slow your pace don't get your heart slowly to go down and so like obviously you can devil's advocate anything and we're talking about health so of course you can devil advocate all of it but that's the thing there's also literally me going for a jog outside tomorrow to the city because I strained my life some people would I would I'd be like yeah I got hurt jogging I mean of course I got hurt jogging I tripped on a rock oh well I mean that's life I don't view that as oh I need to sue someone about that okay cool it's whatever I'll deal with it even pain deductibles it's whatever who cares I hurt myself I don't blame anyone else for that pain and that's something like we get in a fight with our neighbor a lot of liability and all this stuff like if our kids ever touch a blade of grass in his yard and I'm like yeah I'm not suing you if my kids trip and fall in your yard it's okay unless you purposely put something I'm like now if you shove my kid down then yeah that's different you're getting physical yeah or you purposely put something in your lawn to trip my kid yeah but like as an example if my kid falls over your sprinkler head heck I'll even pay to replace your sprinkler head yeah like I might go to blame you for my kid getting hurt anyways people are sticklers over that I understand why because there are people that would that would almost encourage their kids to go in the yard to get hurt and encourage people to get hurt using Nintendo quality of life devices so they can sue Nintendo like it happens that's just the way the world is but the bottom line is so can the money made in the good done from it outweigh all of that and generally the answer is yeah mm-hmm I mean it's been yeah so far I mean there were people getting hurt with Wii wants the TVs like yeah that sucks for the TV but what about the people that hit other people but like still Wii was massively popular and then stopped selling it so it's one of those things that if Nintendo could find a way to make working out fun I think that would be key because a lot of people have tried to make working out fun and right now the resort is oh you can watch TV while you work out like that doesn't make the work out any fun it's just trying to distract your mind from realizing you're working out but you know I think I think that it's great you know to do quality life the problem is too there's so much forms of working out too where you know how do you make someone doing an hour of yoga versus someone doing an hour of weights have competitive scores like there's a lot of R&D and engineering you know or something like that but that's for a billion dollar company to worry about right I mean the bottom line is I always thought it was weird when Nintendo said when we're starting a third pillar at Nintendo we're going into quality of life medical devices and I'm like look there's a lot of money we made in that field a lot of it especially you get government grants you end up getting into hospitals you can make a crap load of money I can understand why anyone would want to break into it but I kept thinking but Nintendo you know nothing about this field and it's highly competitive like way more competitive than video game like what is there two other I guess counting PC and phones I guess a grand total what four or five platforms you know and Nintendo is one of them yeah okay how many people are making medical devices yeah like hundreds of different companies yeah so I don't know I was thinking maybe a CPR machine that you have to put Konami code Konami code yeah the Nintendo ambulance the way ambulance the way ambulance the wee wait so I think it's good that Nintendo is looking into this stuff I just don't know I mean as good as I say it is it has as you know it has to feel like a Nintendo product and Nintendo has a reputation of high quality products works out of the box is entertaining and I don't know like at least before we knew they were looking at sleep devices but I think one thing about sleep devices is you can't make sleeping fun like the only thing you do is improve the quality of your sleep and improve how quickly you fall asleep and then improve how you wake up but you can't like make people dream happy dreams or something like you're gonna go in there and mess with people's brainwaves while they're good luck selling that if that's what Nintendo's Nintendo if you are trying to put a brainwave control device on people while they sleep good luck I already see the very first lawsuit ever is gonna be mind control yeah injecting Nintendo ads every 30 seconds of your dream Nintendo ads man why do I really want to buy a switch this morning I already have one I gotta get it though 3 days of that oh man gotta buy them all why don't I just spend all my rent money on a whole bunch of new video games damn you Nintendo every time why do I always dream in Nintendo I don't get it well take the Nintendo device off your head when you sleep but right but I feel so good right I could see Nintendo actually getting to like prosthetics sure designing prosthetics you want your arm you want your arm to look like X character I want the cyberpunk arm but I want a wimote to shoot out of it so Nintendo's gonna become the company that creates cyberpunk yeah they're gonna start cyborg-ing people oh my gosh you got a prosthetic arm well don't worry that'll control some sort of video game console in the future I'm honestly just surprised they're not actually helping with pokemon sleep granted pokemon sleep looks absolutely dumb and ridiculous to me it looks like the stupidest thing ever to be made honestly it could be the fact that you know that could have been Nintendo stuff that they just literally gave to Game Freak because they heard the feedback on it like yeah no you guys can have this you guys ruled it so Game Freak found it while dumb surviving yeah pulled it out pulled it out like oh you know what let's just flatten this make it look like a pokemon out of light and we're good to go just make it work and pokemon go and you can always sleep next to your favorite pokemon you mean I can sleep next to a glowing disc that like is glowing in my eyes and making it sleep harder thanks oh man I really you know what I really want to wake up to pika pika like no I don't I don't at all come on what are you gonna do are you just gonna have like snorlax snoring that's supposed to help me sleep no no no they're gonna have the their old Game Boy cries your piercing Game Boy cries look we already found a way to dominate every portion of your life no matter what you're doing we just had to figure out sleep yep right all we needed we already took we already made you play pokemon go when you're working you shouldn't be doing it but you're doing it anyways or driving or driving you're doing it anyways we already owned your time when you had time to sit down and play games with a 3ds or an owl switch and you know what we got it down when you're asleep you need to make it so you're never not playing pokemon right as like how do you play pokemon while you're sleeping how do you like control people roll over the top of that thing or fly off the bed or what the heck does the thing even do level your pokemon while you sleep okay what okay that is not how when you sleep that would be actually really kind of cool you put it like goggles on and oh gosh here we go no no no no follow me you you know how you can walk with your poke pokeball here we go you got goggles you can transfer pokemon to and those goggles track your eye movement at night and move the character around walking and then level so your pokemon up that way oh my gosh so they're going to take advantage of REM sleep staying straight there I just can't wait for the story that's going to come out for a kid who cheats and pokemon go sleep by taking barbiturates high score high score I can't wait for the first incident that one of these things blows up in your bed it happens with phones already people already know it people still put their phones in their bed whatever their problem I mean I keep my phone in my bed too oh with the radiation I'm like you know how much radiation there's more radiation around me right now than my phone's probably giving me so if I die of head cancer okay well I guess I died underneath my really thick memory foam pillow it's like and you know why I put it there I set it on the shelf my kids take it so so I guess that's going to do it thank you guys so much for tuning in thank you so much Andrew243 for being here appreciate it I think we're also on I forget which one you're scheduled for in July it might be next week next week was it back to back weeks baby I don't remember I got a look yeah I got a look and I got to see if I'm moving that one or not because oh yeah next week was the weird one because of the fourth yeah I remember I put on the thing that it wasn't going to be on the fourth and then it's also my birthday on the fifth which just makes everything even weirder right um and I gotta decide what I'm doing I don't know I know Eric's like give it another third I don't know I have to see what works for me and I have no idea at this point nobody cares what works for you yeah I'll be like well this is the only day where it works for me how about you no none of it works for me oh well then I guess it's a podcast a one a podcast a one no no here's what will happen I'll be like look we've missed too many podcasts it has to happen even if you can't be here Eric all of a sudden that's the podcast I still am able to find 17 guests for you I can never find them when I want them but this one time 17 of them why can't we have oh wait you got Super Metal Dave and Dreamcast Guy and Spawn Wave and Player Essence and Bob Wolfe and the list goes to be on when I wasn't here and all your patrons I found out the key Eric yeah they just don't like that that's definitely possible you scared them all away that's definitely possible I'm a revolver and some of Rob Rob just decided to come on and see on different in the life what's happening like actually here physically here always perform oh you need somebody don't worry I'll just stop what what so we could actually have three people in person and really what you would have actually had to test me figuring out bringing out one of the old mics yeah right well I thought that would have been it'll work it will work they still technically work yeah yeah I don't would I have to levitate them so they're not touching this yes yes anyways I think that's what you're doing if you enjoyed this podcast hopefully soon here we'll have the audio versions back up on iTunes and all that so I might go over all the stuff because the audio versions of the last two podcasts aren't up yet I'm really sorry about that it's kind of a billion situation on my end I will get it taken care of as soon as I can afford to take care of it no I don't want donations or anything to fix it I will take care of it as soon as I can otherwise for our patrons you will get the audio version this week early on Sunday as always and the video version is going to be right on time so no worries about that again I do apologize to our audio only listeners they're the ones that are still negatively impacted right now so take care of it as soon as I can also out of that you know find the video version out on our website you can also find it here on YouTube of course or if you're a Patreon backer as well you get it early I think that's all I got for you guys this week thank you so much Andrew243 for being here is there anywhere you want people to follow you or anything you want to shout out before we go probably over but go on some SGDQ or you get a shot at it alright there you go there's a charity charity causes always good Eric where can people find you at at Emo8790 on twitter alright you can find me at nintyprime on twitter or at nate jance don't worry about the nate jance one I mean I am on it every day but I don't ever really tweet from it I just kind of go on it when I want to lurk people and have them not think it's Nintendo Prime lurking them even though I am Nintendo Prime so I don't know what the point of all that is I guess there's some people that have me blocked on Nintendo Prime that aren't blocked on that one too now that I think about it Liam Robertson how long before you block both of my I love you man you do excellent work but man we had the dumbest spat in the world alright thank you guys so much for tuning in this is Nintendo Prime podcast episode 111 we'll catch you next week peace these headphones aren't as bad as my ears so I might have had a headache up here but you have the hurt ears alright Andrew man thank you so much you know what to do with that I'm going to get it tonight it's getting late now I gotta just leave it on see if I can get it all processed I'm sure he's fine with it even tomorrow yeah I probably won't even edit till Saturday yeah he's probably not gonna edit till Saturday yeah I'll definitely get it to you by tomorrow okay see you guys next week yeah you as well