 Hello and welcome to another episode of the collab talk podcast where we discuss the convergence of technology, business productivity and collaboration culture. My co-conspirators today are Sean McDonough, senior solution architect and consultant with Akumina in Cincinnati, Ohio, and an M365 apps and services MVP, like myself, welcome. And Mr. Jeff Borosky, a senior architect for Insight, who are everywhere, co-founder of the Boston office 365 user group, and the co-founder of the new janky workshop on YouTube, which he's promoting. There you go. There we go. Welcome gentlemen. Hello. Good to be here. And this is. I've seen you guys for once. Yeah. Well, people just can see that we see each other. That's that's the difference here. We always see each other. We always get video on in the past. There's always video, but we just, I only posted the audio to the podcast, but we're now moving to this. You know, the kids are interested in this video thing. I think it's a flash in the pan. It's not going to last, but new thing of technology. Probably not. Yeah. So I'm starting. I'm Christian. I just did the thing with the glasses. Yeah, there you go. Touched it. We'll say we all have the. Do you want a lens wipe? I can take it. I've got a few left in my box, but yeah, if I use those every time I got a smear, I'd be out of money. Yeah. Well, anyway. Well, this is our, we're not quite monthly. It's like a month and a half, but every, every time we feel like it, or there's big news that's out. We, we get together and we talk about what's happening with the various collaboration products and services that are out there. Our focus today is on just that the latest Microsoft news, including shocking some news around co-pilot. I know you're both surprised. I hear that's a drinking game now. Somebody says co-pilot. You got to drink. There's a lot happening there. There's also, did you guys hear about the new version of office coming out later this year? Is it greenless? All right. Is it what? Screenless. It's, it's the, it's the psychic interface. Yeah. Move that cursor. It's going to be great for Minesweeper. And then there's some updated adoption resources and a few other things, smaller things. I always like to leave the exciting stuff for the very end, like mesh anyone, you know, right? Stuff to do, to talk about anything else. Anything else has jumped out news worthy things. Oh, my channel hit a thousand subscribers this past month. So I did my part. Thank you. All right. Later. The link will be in the description in the paragraph down below. Yes. Yeah. I mean, anything else going on? Are you guys binge watching anything that's worthy? Anything like that? Three body problem. Just watch that. Did you guys read the book? All right. It's about yay thick. It's a very long book. But it's a series that was just released on Netflix. They did a pretty good job of adapting it. The last time I tried to read a book that was about that, that length and was translated from Russian. If you know the ones I'm talking about. Yeah. I don't tend to go for that. I've got too much of my kids attention span in me. Yeah. I'm going to be gripping riveting. Decent show. I just finished the. Small series on Amazon called upload. Basically. Imagine a digital afterlife. And that when you're in the process of. You know, dying. They upload you to a. Basically it's like a resort and it's all these dead people. And they also interact with living people and very weird, but it's pretty good series. I think I saw the ad for that. You said, is it on, is it on prime or where is it? Yeah, it's on prime. Okay. Yeah, there's a, there's a few, like I'm trying to still catch. I don't watch a lot of TV. I'm more of a movie person, but I went and watched the foundation series, which is also on prime. I think it's funny. I don't remember where series are on which service or is that Apple. It might be Apple, but anyway. That's not one I've seen. If it's Apple, that would make sense. If you've read the books. I mean, I did as a teenager, read all the Asimov. I'm a sci-fi guy. So I don't know how accurate it is to the books. I'd have to go back and it's been too long, but tremendous production value. Just a great series. It's a little slow to start as they're doing the setup, but it, you know, one thing of. Future, like. Future tech. You know, sci-fi politics and religion all mixed up into. A show and watch a planet get blown up and. All right. It's fantastic. Yeah. What are you going to do in cloning and robots and all that kind of stuff. So, all right. Copilot that copilot. Yeah. Let's jump in. Well, that is the future. Let me do this. Let me switch over and share. Is that going to move this over? Hang on. It's a bit much the way it is now going to put it over on one screen. That's the beauty of doing video folks is that you get this whole experience. There we go. And we apologize in advance. Yes. So there you go. You guys both see it. Yes, sir. Copilot. Yes. What's new in copilot? Yeah. So. We get it. Reading. Scrolling down through and of course all the links will be out in the blog. So you'll be able to find it as well. And if we jump and add anything into this, but. Yeah. So a lot more going on there. One of the important points here. Because I don't know if you guys have follow some of the conversations with customers that are asking about copilot. But one of the important distinctions is, you know, between what's this between any other generally available web. AI tools is that's grounding in the Microsoft graph again. Yeah, that is so critical is why this. You know, was I went out and purchased as soon as Microsoft announced the personal licensing, the individual licensing of both the enterprise, copilot pro licensing. I went out and paid for it installed it in my one person tenant. My my collab talk tenant was I wanted those benefits regardless. Like we're recording this, you know, the podcast. It's now part of my records. I can go back and search into all of those things, get insights. You know, I'll do air quotes insights from my conversations with you guys. Yeah, it just felt like a cool breeze blowing across me. So it's all the stuff we've heard about though. You know, the outlook interaction. You know, saw a lot of still not gone in there and played with with copilot and Excel. There's a lot of stuff happening with with loop in general, but copilot and loop and there's a great video content out there. Always push over to Daryl Webster's or Daryl's a service on on Twitter. And he and Lorian Strant are doing a bunch of content around loop and copilot. So definitely go take a look at that effect that I will need to add that link, add a link over to their stuff in our list as well. Yeah, Daryl's been posting some loop related pictures on Instagram lately and I guess he was he it's the three people you mentioned, I believe, and they're just some shots and whatnot. So I know he's been involved with loop quite a bit. Does he work for Microsoft? No, no, he's got his own modern work mentor. He's got his own shop and does content stuff around that. And so I think Lorian is now officially working with Daryl. Yeah, I Nowadays, I just naturally ask if someone's at Microsoft because I feel like all the people I used to hang out with went to Microsoft. Yeah, you know, everybody's a program manager, a PFE, something up there. So yeah, there there is a strategy for sure around the Microsoft MVP program and for Microsoft to then kind of identify and cherry pick from the community of folks that they want to to bring in. It's a, you know, it's a well anyway, well go into employment history and feelings about that. I'll just say, yeah, you never know where you might work in the future. So never say never about stuff as opportunities open up. But here's something interesting and more kind of true to our three backgrounds around SharePoint because one of the again that one of the general concerns out there and understanding the differences between like chat GPT and other AI platforms and co-pilot, the fact that it's, you know, based around, you know, content accessible through the graph. So it's it's then security trimmed for a lot of people again have to have those questions answered of how do we go in? How do we secure our data? So I don't know if you guys have had any of those data security concerns, you know, about co-pilot with any clients? I have not. Certainly interest in co-pilot, but I wouldn't say any novel conversations about security. I mean, this is a conversation I think we've all had with customers who go out, somebody's elevated privileges and they go look at search results and they panic because they think everybody can see it. I still have those conversations. Yeah, but nothing specific to co-pilot. I suspect that will probably come up though. But it's like the old delve conversations, you know, again or or when fast search integration happened. And so I'm just I'm happy that Microsoft is trying to get out ahead of that and answer that. There's I've got another tab, some of the latest that's happening around purview and and just governance and relate, you know, in general around co-pilot to answer that question. So if you read through this and again, there's more info and the links will be in the article talking about purview and data governance around co-pilot. It's just like delve, just like search. It requires that you go in and proactively manage your content, have sensitivity labels set up, have categorization of your content. It's going to make search more efficient in the first place. It's also going to decrease the number of unfortunate accidents, accidents that happen because you are sloppy with your information architecture. People finding content that they shouldn't because it's not properly secured. Yeah, security by obscurity does not exist in the AI and search driven world. Yeah, so. So that's going on there. There is again, there's there's always a trickle of, you know, new features coming out that they've got. This blog post was just published yesterday as of this recording. So with the school live next week, so just a week old, which is more of just kind of the latest marketing and sales positioning around co-pilot, but it's always good to go read through, give that a look. Data residency, here's another part of security. So, especially with co-pilot, people are asking, you know, can I, how can I segregate my data if I, especially if you have international clients for those here in the U.S., but having the, you know, your data residency selections, being able to go in and control where my data goes, how these tools co-pilot access that data, it is very important to many of those customers. Most Americans, if you're not in the government, don't care as much about this. Does it work? Can I get my stuff done? Yeah. Just like we don't worry too much about localization. Yeah. Everybody speaks English. Here's one that came out a little bit. I think after the last time, this was like a week after we talked last time. So Microsoft is, of course, coming out, getting out in front of it, a lot of the concerns around responsible AI development. How do we delay our AI overlords controlling every aspect of our lives? Does it give answers? No, it's more than, well, again, this is one of those things I would recommend to go and read through if you have concerns about that. You know, Microsoft is taking, it's definitely taking a leadership position in, you know, ethical AI, driving that conversation. And again, I make that the difference with Microsoft with co-pilot versus chat GPT and the company OpenAI going out and doing things, not that they aren't thinking about the ethics of that. But with Microsoft being more business focused, they are thinking, they are more in tune with what's the right way, the ethical way to do these things within the business realm than OpenAI would, I would argue. That's my opinion. I'm not. Well, I'm inclined to agree with you. I mean, if Microsoft, I believe they were the first ones to introduce guardrails on the AI results and that if you maintain those guardrails that they put in place, you've got that guarantee that they'll handle lawsuits and legal action against you if somebody does it. So I mean, from the get go, I would say that's been their position and it just keeps getting stronger. I know a couple other AI players out there. Again, I'm not following every vendor that's doing something, but have very similar offers to that. So again, I look at that. I think from an IT software development perspective, the industry has learned some lessons. And I think it also speaks to the fact, and this is a great thing that came up in the conversation with Adam this week, jokingly said, what are your predictions for AI and Microsoft's role the next three to five years? No one, we're learning, we're listening, we're watching that and we're trying to set the right path, the ethical path forward. No one can make a prediction of where things are going because I think that is what I'm trying to say is companies, I think, are being more careful than ever in trying to go fast but at the same time understand, adjust as they're going because we don't fully understand and we know that we don't fully understand how this is going to impact everything around us, how we work. Yeah. Anyone who's seen an AI hallucinate will tell you we don't understand exactly what's happening. It's not a discrete process that can be mapped from start to finish. It comes out of there, in my opinion, just a black box for us right now. I know the language model system and whatnot, but don't know what it's going to come back with. Maybe it'll want me to leave my wife or change houses or something and express pure love for me like it did for that one journalist who tried to get him to leave his wife, which I thought was pretty funny. They've already got that movie. Basically, it was that with her. Oh, with Lucky Phoenix. I haven't seen that. Scarlett Johansson? Yeah, it's not far-fetched. The loser falling in love with an AI voice, that part's a little bit of a stretch, but we're not too far away from that. Can I just call him a loser? I mean, he is that character, but. No judgements. I know it sounds a bit like we're throwing platitudes out there around this, but think of it from a from a business transformation perspective. We don't yet fully understand how this will change things. It's not just an upgrade to a new version of SharePoint. Now we're going to roll out deploy teams more broadly. It's just it's a fundamental change to the way that we interact with technology that we, you get a lot of the, not a power platform guy, but listen to some of those talks and some of the keynotes it shows and they're talking about like we're not far away from, you know, coding going away. Yeah, sort for the most part, the majority things being done through a conversation with AI. Yeah, it's a huge time saver, though. I mean, if you can, you know, speak a paragraph about what you're looking for and an application gets built, like how many hours and hours and hours of manpower is that? At least four. Two and a half, I was going to say. I'm doing the project manager, you know, one and a half times, two times. Yeah, there's more that's coming up. I don't really follow along very closely, but on the device side, of course, there's made the news about, you know, Microsoft developing, working with different various partners in chip development with Intel around that. So there's the new surface for business devices. I don't know if you guys are following that stuff at all, but there's some. Co-pilot on my surface, that's about it. And here's the governance stuff. So this came out again at the beginning of this week and going in and talking about purview and specifically. And look, there's some new features, but a lot of it is what's already there out of the box available today. And Microsoft, again, is trying to get ahead of this to help organizations understand here is because I'm sure they're voicing concerns about co-pilot getting access to data. I mean, you have problems like, a loop is a great example of, you know, a new feature that's out there. Teams and SharePoint do this where, you know, the, I don't know now the numbers, but the volume of data growth, I mean, it just continues to grow. The number of documents, the size of data that the typical organization manages is just growing exponentially month after month. I think we create more content in a month or a quarter than all content created in the last 30 years. I mean, it's just insane. Yeah, I started to see some companies implement archival policies and stuff like that for teams because just the amount of data that's going into there is so massive. You have to, well, that's one reason why, you know, provisioning process and being able to enforce those guardrails without getting in the way of your end users collaborating is becoming so popular. Organizations realize, you know, we can't do enforcement like when it's already the cat's out of the bag, you know, chasing back in. No, it doesn't work like that. So instead you say, look, here are five templates you can use, create as many SharePoint sites as the teams as you want, but all the lifecycle management, all the policies, all the classification, they're in place and it's all being managed. Yeah, I think that's the purpose of like this around purviews, like to understand how to go in, set it up, categorize, protect your data out of the box and then get out of the way of your people. I think that that old model, it was like the old SharePoint model was lock it down, don't let anybody do anything and what happens? What happens when you... Nobody collaborates. Or servers under the desk. Right, or a new, the more common now is just, hey, there's this third party tool I paid for with my personal credit card and we're using that. Yeah. See, what else? You know, so there's this, it's a little bit of competitive view. This is out on site Android authority. Microsoft takes on chat GPT plus with worldwide release of Copilot Pro. So, you know, basically the same pricing. You know, the diff, difference is 20 bucks for, for a chat GPT, 20 bucks for Copilot Pro, where it's built on, I don't remember if this is, if it says in here, whether it's, is Copilot Pro, is it built on chat GPT for turbo? Do you guys know? I'm not, I'm not sure. So that, that might be a differential. Okay, there this is, as well as priority access. Priority access. Okay. So, oh, it does. Priority access to it. So again, I'm already, I'm already paying for that. But I look to the day where I can stop paying, you know, for chat GPT and just use everything and Copilot and do that. But yeah, there's still some nuanced differences there. But the biggest difference being that with Copilot Pro, it's pulling from drawing from your office productivity apps, your Word, PowerPoint, email, teams. Well, yeah, with that, with Pro, no, you need enterprise for teams. That's the primary difference there. You definitely want Copilot for teams. It's awesome. If you guys don't have that, I'm sorry. Can it take my meetings for a minute? Yeah, actually, Sean, if you missed it, like three days ago, we got MVPs, we got the Copilot licenses. If you didn't see that email, so you go point it at your personal tenant. So one license for your trial. Of course, I already paid for it. So now, but you're not there. I'll have a second, I'll have a second profile. Oh, the nice thing about it is that I'll have a second profile and put it on a test account so I can actually go in and do Copilot testing demo stuff and have a second profile. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, the other stuff that's out there, this is another thing. And by the way, you guys have heard that Ignite is back, right? The old Ignite. No, I did not hear that. So it's hitting, it's in Chicago in, I believe, November. And I think Microsoft says they're expecting like 10,000 to 12,000 people. I think it could grow bigger if the demand is there. But I know I've been vocal about the model that the post pandemic the minimized 3,000 person version in Seattle, which was you know, not the kind of value that I was looking to get into. Okay, I'll also box for a second on this, but you guys have heard me talk about this. The problem that I have is that the value in conferences like Ignite is not the sessions. We get the phone calls, we see the book of news, we get all the announcements. Microsoft loves it because they get 10 or 20 X the number of registrations and people that they can blast their marketing messaging out to the problem is I don't get the one on one with MVPs with the product and engineering teams. I don't get to go see the extensive Expo Hall and see what partner solutions and what other experts are doing in the space. The value to me, I'm more likely to go to a session that's done by either of you that are practitioners where you're sharing I went into the deployment. Here's what I learned and you get much more of that kind of content at the old model of the show versus the slick look at a screen vendors can't give away swag. There's a problem right there. No swag at a conference. It's just wrong. It's morally wrong. What are people going to leave for the people that clean their hotel rooms afterwards? All the free t-shirts they wear. I know. And pencils and little lights and all sorts of things. Blinking pens. Yes. I went to a woodworking conference a month ago and you got clamps and double-sided sticky tape and screws and stuff like that. It was fantastic. Best swag bag I ever think I got. Yeah. You get to meet people who are cool. Yeah. Coming back from events, it's funny jokingly say this, I've got two rules. One for my wife do not bring home t-shirts and I failed. I came home from MVP Summit with one shirt and but it's that sport tech. It's the light the sweat wicking one. So for now it's like it's better. And then no backpacks. Oh my gosh. I can show you a closet here. Yeah. I had this giant bin in the garage that is nothing but never used Microsoft conference backpacks. But it's my collections. Don't touch it. Spinal tap. I might use one of these someday. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, the point I was thinking about that is that is that because so much the content is focused around practitioners sharing their learnings more so that you get a little bit of that in the online the virtual stuff, but it's more marketing versus practitioner practical application of and adoption. And I love that there's more and more content coming around around adoption now for co-pilot as we're starting to see because most organizations it's in production at very few places. Everybody's piloting it. It's like all you can do right now because we don't fully understand it. The change is happening, but you're starting to see some content that's coming out. Like this just is a kind of an announcement PR newswire just as an example like infotec sharing kind of their best practices. You need to go and understand the goals. This is like project management one on one. It's like for every project consider technical requirements. Yes. Assessing the existing technology landscape. Yes. Enhancing data protection steps. Sorry. I said and yet we still continue to miss these steps and typical projects that end up going sideways. Right. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. I mean at the core of all this is is having a deployment methodology a change management methodology adhere to it learn from it adjust. So pilot it out learn from it pilot again learn from that expand the pilot pilot again. I mean that's the path forward on one benefit is I just can't recommend the site enough if you do not have this site bookmarked. It's come a long way from when it was launched. But now you go up and you get the role based with the product so you go specifically love that it has the change information so you know what's new here but I could go into the adoption resources around co-pilot. This is where you're going to get the adoption kit that has templates has project plans has onboarding suggestions adoption guidance how do we get people excited about it how do we ensure they're using it. Are we sure that we're taking the right steps moving forward answering all the common questions for it. You're finding all those resources out here and if you find like there's a resource missing from any one of these products the solution areas let Microsoft know they're very responsive and a lot of the content it's not just Microsoft producing this there's a lot of community people a lot of fellow MVPs that are helping develop the materials so you definitely want to bookmark the site. Here's one sorry there's ads everywhere on this but so Office 2024 coming later this year so I mean a little bit of information I think there's a lot here of what is you know differences between this and what's already available on Microsoft 365 remember because they develop for the cloud and then they figure out after a while with the incremental the constant change that's happening what needs to be and then a desktop and on-prem version of these products and then create a version of that so it's I don't know maybe they have it on a regular title schedule I don't know what that is but when was the last version is it 2019 so was there a 2018 maybe I don't I'm not sure I've had to um all that version that gets updated all the time so yeah is that what they're rebranding it if you look at that first bullet down there says Microsoft Office 364 is that the one time version I think it's a typo or it's a clever way of saying it's slightly less than the online version Microsoft 364 something Mr. Mom would say other incremental things yeah 221 whatever it takes I love this you know the expansion of the mobile app and kudos to the Microsoft team that's developing a lot of the apps because especially around teams teams app is so much more solid than the desktop app it has been for a long time the running joke for years yeah why can't authentication work like it does on my phone right was talked about like it's like I'd love just to have an emulator for the you know the backwards switching between tenants was just a pain but it worked beautifully in the mobile app just have the emulator sitting on the desktop and have all your chats and be able to quickly jump now they fixed that do the air quotes again fixed that and like dogs get fixed mostly works it mostly works all the time 50% of the time works every time every time but the mobile I'm a fan of the mobile app so that you know when they add more like the designer image AI feature that capability make it more robust there and I'm not using that that kind of feature out there I'm not building slides on my phone but I could I could teeny tiny I just remember and people that know Michael is a fellow MVP based out of San Francisco and travels more than just about any MVP that I don't know if he's traveling as much as he used to but like he and Joe Oleson who's an RD for those that don't follow them both just concluded visiting all 193 countries on the planet the recognized country so the last country that they tried for years to get permission to go and get into was Libya and it's one of the most dangerous for an American and so they but they both just went did that earlier I think this year yeah it just it just happened anyway so you go find Joel Michael know anyway Michael know for a while I think for a year he stopped carrying traveling to events and stuff with his laptop and just had his phone and I don't it didn't didn't work out long term but I think where he presented where he just had his three or four dex and everything else in the cloud and was able to plug in it wasn't an iPhone but it's able to plug into a pretty beefy phone mobile device but was able to do everything he had one of those Bluetooth little mini travel keyboards and so was able to get work done from the hotel stuff on on his phone but yeah still none of screen for me yeah me too more stuff happening in teams again this is something that if you have and I like the compose the chat compose box capability a lot of the features I mean this is like I'm doing for this recording for the podcast make sure they're always recorded in teams so it automatically goes it is captured the transcripts are captured so I can more easily go through is it what do we cover what are the each of the topics summarize that for me from these meetings and fantastic to have that that intelligent call recap and that hybrid experience so lots going on with teams that is in the enterprise version of pilots if you don't have that you definitely want to go try all that and then there's the mesh stuff for either one of you for a while you were following along with the mesh stuff and the AI stuff or the the VR stuff yeah you still doing any of that um no not really I know there's stuff happening but I mean I still use VR occasionally but I'm not as big a proponent for it anymore and I think it's just this you know people that use VR think it's really cool and then about a month later stop using it it's not like you know playing a game on your computer or something even though it's pretty much the same experience so I'm not sure what that is but I think that's one of the reasons I haven't been looking more into it it's just information overload yeah you haven't got the fancy new Apple, Google, Vision whatever it is I don't buy fruit products yeah can now bring myself to do that and I've said this for a long time like I'm not as much of a proponent for the pure VR as I am for the AR solutions is just like I will if the Google glasses come back and you know have something that's not the huge headset but just has that screen overlay so that it enhances the things that I'm doing I would absolutely love that I love that concept you would become a glass hole huh I would become a glass hole but I think that the the augmented reality again and we've talked about this but I think that is really where the business application of the technology really comes into play like the other stuff like I get it the am I running joke is that now with the E3 and E5 it's the E7 license where you get the pants or the legs for your avatar you get that I think they're pushing that back to E10 now yeah well I just like I get it and a lot of people that especially that work in the accessibility world love that having that as an option and something I will say in defense of VR is that your brain adjusts so quickly going and moving around in that environment I mean there's still some limitations of the devices and what you need and the cost around those things but to go in and do a lecture and the ability to be sitting and watching a presentation like could I be doing that just look at my 2D screen of course and you're watching a 2D you know presentation in a 3D VR world but you have the ability like I could be sitting there I could see Sean float over hey there's Sean I could go over and be like hey Sean as we walk away from the lecture going on we can have a side conversation and it's it's spatially aware of that and find other people and go to virtual booths and all those kinds of things is it a replacement for the in person like I just don't think so and I don't think we're any more close to that yeah I don't think anytime soon yeah probably not one day eventually but when we get to like wally level and we're just floating around in our little chairs that you know automatically change our clothes for us and get us slurpees yeah so over on there's an article that came out today just I skimmed it around so the Microsoft 365 basic beefing up security and some of the mobile features that are out there so that which is just great to see for the refinement of and what basically happens with Microsoft it has that the trickle down economy effects they go and do stuff they charge the premium after a year or two a bunch of the innovation that happens at the premium level finds its way down to the lower tiers and so you're starting to see that with even the the entry seats by basic capability and then the last thing I wanted to point to was a huge fan of the work lab site which is run by the research team at Microsoft I think they're still in building 99 over there I don't know where this team does all this content is out of these researchers might be different than the R&D team at Microsoft but it again it's great to go in and they're doing a lot of content around what is changing about the way people interacting with technology because of AI and what still needs to change like where the biggest adjustments going to be just in how we work in the working style I think that's going to be the biggest topic as far as like adoption and really broadening the reach of co-pilot is you know at okay here they rolled it out to you know they reached out to 1300 co-pilot users and then go through and pull data let's look at specific stories examples how are you incorporated that into the way that you're working what's different about the way that you're working and we just don't have enough stories and data yet around this so once we start having that that's why I brought that up with Microsoft ignite I think that's going to be the first big conference where we're really going to start to see the adoption stories this this data coming in about how we're using co-pilot so that's that's about it I don't know there's any other big news that we've missed the probably now the new ghost busters came out last weekend have you seen it yet going tomorrow with the kids yeah I tried to convince my wife to go see it tomorrow and she said no thank you oh I'd go with you buddy she's not a sci-fi but I just I am no problem going by myself as long as you get your big popcorn of course I've got do they have fat cats out where either of you guys live no I have a cat that's fat but folks that know that we that's my local it's at one of the luxury theater so every seat is a recliner and I've got the member bucket mug so it's super cheap for refills and yeah Christian is the only guy I've ever seen get a big thing of popcorn and then go back and get another one when we were seeing a ghost in the shell did I did I share my popcorn well I got my own yeah I but I would not have reached for that popcorn I might have lost my hand you're correct I do that like if I go see a movie with one of my one or more of my sons and they know better they like bring their own bucket they've got member buckets or whatever I said I said all right or we can share and when it's empty you're going back to refill it you're paying for the refill but yeah I'm I'm typically one of those like in restaurants are either of you like a sharing food person or is this like if you were hungry and wanted that you should have ordered it this is my food it depends on the restaurant yeah go back and forth yeah if something is novel and you know maybe the first time we've eaten there I know that I'll sometimes offer and share with someone but generally I tend to fall into your category of you should have ordered it I'm not giving you mine well I excuse it because of just my big family upbringing I'm the second oldest of ten kids like you got some food you would protect it yeah dog is that way if you you know you go and he's eating in the bowl and you go reach for his bowl like he'll freeze and growl before he tears into your hand down Kujo yeah well gentlemen really as always really appreciate your time and insights into these these topics and I'm sure we'll be doing this again in another month month and a half thank you for still thank you for still keeping us right and yeah