 Ivan, this is our new salute, yeah? Our new salute. Everybody salute, salute. Okay, all right. And that means, yeah, we want to reach that 73 million people that the national, that the debate reached on Tuesday. Welcome Tim Epicella, Stephanie Dalton, Cynthia Sinclair and Winston Welch, even though his name is not on the bottom. We'll put it there soon. Okay, let's talk about, let's talk about coronavirus. What's next? What's happening now? And, you know, we had, we had this debate where not a lot came out, but Tim, what did come out? What did we learn about Coronaville and coronavirus from the debate on Tuesday? Well, I think Joe Biden attempted to frame the response to coronavirus as a dismal failure from this administration, specifically from Donald Trump, particularly if it pertained to mask wearing or testing or contract tracing. I'm not saying Donald Trump, and I don't think Joe Biden said Donald Trump was responsible for 205,000 deaths, but he certainly is responsible for a significant portion of that number due to a lack of response or lack of preparation and a lack of taking the pandemic seriously. In fact, we know otherwise that in his comments to Bob Woodward, he did just the opposite. He knew how deadly the virus was and he failed purposely not to expose it because he didn't want to damage his precious Dow Jones industrial average, the Nasdaq or the standards and poor stock market because that is tied to his ability to be reelected and his perception that the stock market is the economy. Yeah, so, you know, if you were one of the 73 million people who watched that, did you get domestic? Did you even get the contention? Did you even get their respective positions on it? What came, you know, what did the American public learn from that debate about coronavirus? Well, they couldn't get, they couldn't hear Joe Biden. They couldn't hear his message because Donald Trump purpose, with purpose, tried to drown out his voice. And that was his strategy from the very beginning of the debate is to drown his voice out because what Joe Biden is going to say is things that are true and that truth will damage Donald Trump and his ability to be reelected. So I think the public heard very little. They can't even remember what Joe Biden said because of Donald Trump's interference and interruptions. Yeah, brilliant, brilliant. So, but in fact, Stephanie, what is happening with coronavirus? You know, there are some people, including people who appear on Think Tech that ordinarily believe that we are turning the corner, that we are licking it and that our economy is resurrecting itself. There are people who firmly believe that all over the country. I mean, it's the base, it's the Trumpers, but they carry that around and they talk about that and they believe it to the core of their being. But what is really happening, Stephanie? Well, we are having in every state that we're in many states that daily we're still having upwards of 100 in Hawaii. Well, there it is, is that data? But so the data is still not good and the projection is for another swipe at us this fall. So we're going to get a surge. And some people think we are having a surge right now in New York, we're having a surge. There are lots of new cases in New York and New York has been pretty careful about it. But you know, the failure of social distancing, the failure of masks takes a terrible toll sooner or later. Let me ask you, what is happening with Trump? He's having rallies, you know, he's addressing tons of people, you know, this weekend, he's got it all planned and there won't be a debate kind of interruption. It'll be him alone on the podium talking to his supporters. Well, I look out at those people, I look at these rallies and look at the people and think, who are you? Why are you taking this risk? And if you look at the data, I did look a little bit at it. It's really hitting the 30 year olds, you know, that group in there. It's not just the oldsters going down. It's in the 30s, the vibrant, healthy, you know, Jack Armstrong's that are out there. And I don't- We had one die here in Hawaii. I think he was 29, yeah. Yeah, these people are not necessarily dying. So I've shifted over to there's a new drug that they've got that the stock stops going up because there's a new drug that they are giving at the outset of once they're diagnosed that gets in the way of some of this deadly overcoming your system, your immune system. So there's some help there in the treatment. Who's they? The rent sliver here? What is it, rent? They is the- Remdesivir, Remdesivir. Yeah, they were talking about it on the CNBC, whatever. That's not new, that's repurposed. Yeah. Yeah, well, no, they're the other one that they have been giving but this one that has been very, very good. So anyway, I'm just looking at it. I think people are doing that. They've just shifted over to thinking that medicine is gonna save them without ever knowing how horrible it was in the isolation, the issues. They never showed the nation how badly that death takes you and where you go in that. I mean, you are- It's tragic because you die without your family. You die miserably. So Cynthia, you like to take cruise ships. I know you do. You take cruise ships all the time. So can you talk to us about what is happening in cruise ships and the CDC? Well, you know, since I'm so rich and I get to go on all these cruises every year. No, actually, you know, they're just floating. This is what they are. It's basically a floating Petrie dish and they've been parked for a really long time and now Trump has overrode the CDC and said they have to open again. But you know, the biggest thing that I see in what Trump is doing is having these Wisconsin rallies. Okay, in Green Bay and Gellung, they are at 94% capacity in their hospitals and he wants to have a giant rally in Green Bay. He will, on Saturday. Another one in La Crosse. The COVID cases are up by 30% from the day before. There's a record number of hospitalizations for two weeks straight. His own task force has said that they need a red maximum, I was losing it for a minute. Sorry, but that even his own task force has said Wisconsin has to go on maximum protocol. And yet here he comes. Gellung, I know Green Bay and La Crosse are where he's gonna be this weekend. He's not gonna stop, even though they've asked him to, even though the task force has made it, saying that they have to be in the red zone. Well, listen, this goes back to a point that Tim was making, that he controls the agenda on the news. He is the news cycle. And if he's not the news cycle on any given day, he can create the news cycle and flush out of all the real news. So the result is that what happens in Green Bay, which two weeks later, there'll be a surge there because of it. We won't hear about that because we'll hear about something else outrageous that he does. And so the public never really gets the story. He's really been brilliant at that, about blocking the news and especially the news about COVID. So there's been talk and Trump has talked about the vaccine. And he said the vaccine would be ready by, I think he said the vaccine would be ready by election day, which is coming soon. It's just nine a month. And so what do you think Winston? Is that happening? What should we think about the vaccine right now? I think you could go to China and Russia and probably get a test one right now, but I don't see any people getting on the plane to do that. Regardless of what is said, the reality of whether there is actually a vaccine is when Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson and all their friends are gonna come out and say, here's the vaccine. Here's where you get it. Here's how much it costs. Here's the side effects. Here's what you can expect. That's when the vaccine will come out. Right now, we have been told repeatedly as soon as there's a pronouncement made from the White House that there is a vaccine that's going to be ready next week, next month, tomorrow, or today, yesterday. It's followed up immediately. It's actually not coming right now, so don't expect it by the end of the year just to not get your hopes up. And you're talking about having to produce about 350, 400 million vaccines just for America alone, but when you got half the people that say they're not gonna take it right now, because especially if it came out before the end of the year or the election. So what's the point? We don't know about it. I don't think we need to be focusing as much on a vaccine as still preventative measures, which is wearing a mask, washing your hands, and realizing that that actually is common sense that goes back for a century. It's something that we have some control over that seems to work. I'm more concerned about our state opening up, frankly, on the 15th for tourism. And this is silly. Our case is yesterday in September 30th. 121 new cases and two deaths. We have 140 people hospitalized in the state with 47 in intensive care. Intensive care beds are at the state or at 70% capacity. And it says the quarantine facilities are at 32% capacity. I guess that's referring to the hotels where people are being quarantined out if they can't do it at home. We're at 70% capacity. And what it seems to me, what we've done, the state has actually stepped up its game. I noticed they're giving out free PPE, PPE, protective equipment to nonprofits, to clinics and dental places if they needed it. But it seems to me that we're going the route of Florida, maybe Florida light here, where we're just going to go by, can our hospitals handle, can we be under 90% or whatever number they've determined in our intensive care with COVID? And that's kind of what there's, it seems to be the route that we're going. And if we needed to shut down on some of the way, but as long as you're under there, I think it's just kind of like, you know, folks, it's here, it's gonna work, it's with community. Do the best you can. But as long as we're able to keep people in the hospital under a certain rate, I think they're just kind of on some level giving up. That's what it feels like. Have we given up, Tim? I mean, it seems to me that there's no single message from the state. The Department of Health is a train wreck. The tracing, testing thing is not working. We're not getting information. We're not having transparency. Oh, what's going on? How well do you think the state and the city for that matter are doing in protecting us? I think they are making progress. I don't believe they've done everything. Again, we took Sarah Park and Bruce Anderson to task, rather harshly because they're on the tail end of what happens when this pandemic, this virus takes effect of a city or a state. What we have failed to do is recognize where were the failures on the front end of the equation? Where was the crackdown on open beach parties under awnings, where you'd see 10, 20, 25 people all within nose range of each other? Where was the citations to stop that and the police to stop that? Where were the citations that went into cock-a-ockle when these bars were packed with people? No ventilation, no mass. And where was the enforcement of the mayor's rule about that? So I think we're trying to play catch up. I think the city and the states trying to play catch up. Obviously when you're playing catch up, you're going to take longer to finally get the results that you're looking for. That's why we're still seeing triple digits in our case loads. Well, you know, one thing Winston mentioned that I think is worth asking you about it is that tourism is supposed to come back. Right now we're doing like only 300 a day. They want to open the floodgates. They want lot tourists in now because they got the idea that we can't do anymore when COVID, so let's do tourism. Let's reopen. I have such a structural logical problem with that. But in a week or two, we will be opening it again and the rules will be different and more liberal for tourists to come here. What do you see in that? I mean, the why is easy, but what is going to happen? The how, the how is hard. You know, when you're going to be a tourist that's coming aboard, you're going to get a test within 72 hours of boarding that plane. If you've ever flown a plane, when you come into Hawaii in the old days, remember you were given a checklist of where you're coming from and are you carrying fruits and vegetables? And you kind of had a little checklist and on the backside you had a little marketing questionnaire. Let's convert that form or continue that form but had an addendum talking about the rules of the road as it pertains to COVID and your rights and responsibilities of protecting the citizenship here of Honolulu and the state as a whole. So let's have a signed disclosure form that you are going to abide by before you debark off your Hawaiian Airlines or United Airlines or Alaska Airlines plane. You know, Stephanie, PBN is having a webinar in the next week or two, in early October, I guess next week on the legal implications of failing to protect people from COVID, like class action suits and the like. And I guess a lot of lawyers are getting ready for a lot of litigation about this. And it means that, for example, if a hotel opens and it doesn't take all the steps in the protocol to protect its guests and the public and staff and whatnot, there'll be a lawsuit. What's your reaction to that? Should there be litigation on this sort of thing? And what rules exactly does the hotel or the business follow? Well, it just seems like it's just gonna layer litigation on litigation because I'm sure that when you make your reservation, they're gonna have some form you fill out, what do you call those pre-agreement that you won't sue. I mean, everybody's putting out that kind of thing now. So you have to- Including Trump. Yeah. You know, saying send in a statement of I will not sue this condo if I get COVID. Write down to our own living situation. So I think that that just gonna breed whatever that matrix mask gets to be if you have that layering of litigation from here to there. But let's face it, Hawaii's in pretty desperate straits as I understand it and I'm reading about it. We've got the military here. So there's an ongoing chunk of money that's coming in from the military to the state, which can maybe feed us off, wait for a year. But then the other resources are really only the construction contracts. So as much as I ain't looking out and seeing all these cranes and everything, that is the only viable income the state has now, which is the money coming in from Howard Hughes and all these people that are down here, you know, cranking away and jack hammering in more of these hotels. So I think that the difficulty is huge for the state right now. The good news is that the movie industry and television, they're coming in and doing a lot more here in terms of having the setting and the scenery. That's brought up more discussion of the dis diversification of the economy. And hey, isn't that a good idea? I mean, we've done that before, we need a lot more of it. But now with graphics and the simulations on TV, CGI or whatever it's called, they're soon not gonna need to come to Hawaii to have a palm tree. You know, they're gonna be able to make that. So- Sure, they can create backgrounds elsewhere. You know, Cynthia, there's talk about how the economy is recovering. Unfortunately, it's hard to find evidence of that. You don't see the restaurants opening, a lot of restaurants are dying. I can tell you, we have a show here on Think Tech. You remember Think Tech, right? We have a show here on Think Tech called Restaurants in Hawaii. And they all come on and say, well, I shouldn't say all, but a number of them come on. High percentage say we're not gonna last that much longer. We're gonna have to go out of business. And our economy is really failing. And the other thing I hear, and it's anecdotal for me, is that people are leaving. You know, the smart guys who used to have jobs and don't have jobs anymore and don't see the prospect of jobs, they're getting on a plane, such as it is, and they're going to the mainland. You know, what is this, you know, A, what is happening to our state? Because you don't really hear it in a macro way. And B, what should I do? What should I do? Well, for one, you can talk to Governor E. Gaye because please come out. Okay, as far as the CARE Act, you know, the CARES Act funds that we got here in Hawaii, we got $1.25 billion for the CARES Act. That was our state's thing. So they broke it down on the news this morning. It was $163 million for contact tracing, $100 million for rent and mortgage, $132 million for small businesses, $268 million for housing and health. And the hotels supposedly are getting $134 million apiece. Now I know that there's a deadline. You have to use this money by a certain day or you have to return it to the federal government. So what E. Gaye was saying is that he's going to put it in a trust before he lets that happen. Well, I remember back in the beginning when this state, when we first got our CARES Act money, none of it went to the individual, none of it. When he could have been the one to up the amount of the, just for our state anyway, you know, the people that are suffering from all of the cutbacks to the unemployment, he could have done it. He could have said, okay, well, how about if I'm the one who puts that money up, give you that extra $300 a month or a week or whatever and put that into the budget. Instead of trying to stop it away in a trust fund. I'm sorry, yes, this may go on for a long time. And I imagine that's what his thinking behind this trust fund saving it for a rainy day, which is what he said in the beginning. But, you know, we've got all kinds of problems with these contract tracers that we supposedly had. There was a big deal about it recently where there really weren't as many as they were saying there were. So where's all this 163 million going if it's going to contact tracers and we don't really have hardly any. So I'm starting to really question the, you know, the validity of exactly where all this money is, where it is going, and I'd like to see a whole lot more transparency about that. So you can do, I can do what each of us can do is to contact EGAY and say, hey, be more transparent. We want to know what's really going on with this money. I think that's a really good point. So Winston, you know, a lot of this is government has a duty of transparency, both state and especially federal. And government has a duty to, you know, care about us and take care of us in a time of crisis. How do you feel about the fact that Congress cannot seem to come together and that the Senate will not follow, you know, this one-sided negotiation with Nancy Pelosi? Now she's at 2.2 trillion and the Republicans still don't want to do it. And they are saying, no, no, no. In the meantime, people all over Hawaii and elsewhere are not getting a second tranche of money. Where does that fit? And how do you think it affects the electorate? Well, I mean, our national politics are just the sad indictment of how weak our system could be when it could be abused in ways that we never imagined that it could be. We have a lot of cleanup and repair to do that, to do there. But right now, I don't think we need to be looking to the federal government. Obviously the federal government needs to step in in a massive way to bail out the states and cities. And that will happen. It has to happen. There's no, there's no choice in that. But for right now we need to, I think it's local. It's this local focus. What can you do? What is our state doing? Talk about transparency in our state. Where are we the first state to come out with a blanking government secrecy laws accepting ourselves of the Information Free Open Meetings Act and that sort of thing when, at a time when we absolutely needed- Sunshine, sunshine. Sunshine law, thank you. When we absolutely needed this more than ever. And then look what happened. Look at the fiasco in the health department. I mean, it seems like, however, and now after all of the six months later and a lot of suffering and misery, there's been a change. There's, I can feel something is different. There seems to be a more coherent response. The state just got sued. A class section lawsuit or someone was threatening it about the people that haven't gotten unemployment insurance for months and months and months and saying enough already. So we've got enough problems right here at home. We don't even have to look 2,500 miles across the ocean or 5,000 to Washington. We have enough right here right now of what we can focus on and also our point of control locally about getting tested or quarantining. These are all very local things that are happened. Of course they're supported by the federal government but as I've been saying all along, what can you do right now? How can you help your neighbors? How can you check on people? What can you do personally? As best as you know how given the information and circumstances to do what you can do. Now the state opening up to tourism right now flooding that in, I understand. There's a trade-off like people don't have jobs. They want to get back to work but at what cost is that going to happen? This is not easy. This is advanced globalization. I know you'd like to focus on the state because the state is where in effect the buck stops but I'd like to go back to the Fed for a minute with Tim. Tim, we don't have a clear message from the federal government, from Trump. I mean, since everything he's doing is either to lie about it, I mean, not in the worst possible dark lie sense or to confuse us about it, which really has the same effect or to get into these ridiculous squabbles with members of his own administration. Since you mentioned the CDC issue which came out yesterday and the cruise ships but there's lots of other arguments going on between Trump and the scientists. Can you talk about that and you talk about the effect of that on people in general around the country including here and the electorate coming soon? Okay, thank you, Jay. I think you've mentioned the message. The message is clear. By not doing anything, he's doing something. And what he's doing, that something is, I believe he now is convinced and I think has been convinced for quite some time that herd immunity is the way that the nation should go. And I believe through not admitting it but by indirectly to saying everything's open for business. The masks are silly, but if you have to wear one, you have to wear one, not being a cheerleader for prevention of COVID but being permissive of letting COVID take its course and just ensuring that all businesses, all societies functions are wide open and COVID will take its death toll as he feels it'll need to take in order to open things up and preserve the economy. He doesn't see a balance here. He doesn't see how you could open up the economy but do so with caution and care and protective measures in place. It's either yes or no, black or white, either or for Donald Trump. And I think that's the message he has sent down to all his administrative staff. I think that's the message he's sent to the public, all his task force meetings that he's had on TV and using the bully pulpit to his advantage and look at where we're at, 207,000 deaths. That number is gonna go up to 300,000 easily between now and maybe the end of the year, even higher. So he had spoken loud and clear. He had spoken loud and clear on this. Right, he's a monster. It's monstrous what's happening. He's ghoulish. He's ghoulish, thank you. So Stephanie, one thing we haven't mentioned today is the schools. What about the schools? We have the same kind of contention on the schools. Can you give us a little report on how the schools are doing? Are they reopening or not? And if they are reopening in certain places, I know the whole thing is fragmented anyway, is that successful or not? Well, of course you have more than half, 50% of the secondary kids are not doing fine, virtual, not to mention that all the people who don't have the equipment. And then the bottom line on this, we know there's a successful model, I've mentioned before the Denmark model, they've had no cases and they've had these kids in school since March. But the key here is the usual key, is what we used to call that thing, the skeleton key, right? That opens all the doors and it's called fruiting, money for teachers, for space. Like some of the private schools here, the expensive ones are taking the kids back, but they've got them in little bitty groups, little bitty groups, they stay in these little bitty groups all day. They'd ever see anybody else, it just becomes their little family cohort and they're masked and shielded, okay? So that takes a lot of people and it takes a lot of space. Space is expensive as our people, those are your two big issues in any budget. So any business budget is gonna be paying for those. So right there it's stymie because there's not enough money to do it. So nobody's even thinking about doing it because how are they gonna be able to finance that? But people are trying to get better on the virtual, but it's a very steep climb up. And I think it's, people are doing what they can do and it's getting a little desperate because people do need to be at work and then they don't have the work to. So yeah, it's very much all over the place, Jay, that's- One revelation, Cynthia, as Cynthia brings up, it's the money. It's the money for unemployment insurance. It's the money to make things safe. It's including in the schools, it's the money for PPE and it's money, it's all about money. And so far we spent, what is it, $3 trillion under federal? I think we've emptied the coffer here in the state. The state is under water, even though the constitution says, you know, we're supposed to have a balanced budget, forget that and it'll be worse next year. So what do you think about the money? What do you think about the money federal and state? Because ultimately, I hate to say this, but we're going to have to repay it. If we want to borrow and spend and throw it away, you know, hey, there's been a lot of scandals. Do you remember the scandals involving some of those senators who got the first trunch of CARES money? For some reason, we never heard more about that. That is so filthy. And there's more, there was somebody recently indicted for, well, I forget what it was, $12 million for a scam on, you know, taking money that shouldn't have been taken. So my question to you is how is the country going to deal with having to repay the money, even assuming that the Senate ultimately goes along and gives a second trunch if it doesn't be political only? But what are we going to do about putting the country back together on fiscal policy? I think that that is so far in the future. And we're going to go so much farther in debt before we get to that point that it's almost folly to just try and sit here and, you know, and try and even talk about it. I want to talk about what Stephanie was talking about, that not one single line item for schools in that list that I got from EGAY when he was being interviewed and making his public statement for us, not one penny did he say about schools. And that to me is just unbelievable. And I'm really afraid that we're going to start seeing the numbers of kids with adverse reactions and things to this virus coming up soon. The thing is, is the first thing we did when we found out about this virus was put all the kids at home, close the schools. It was the very first thing we did, protect the children. And then what does Trump want to do? Let's throw him back to the wolves. And so we don't really know for sure how they're going to respond to this virus. Plenty of kids are getting sick. Is it the Hashimoto's syndrome that they're getting from the virus? Lots of kids are getting very, very sick from this. We're just not hearing about all of them also. It's ironic too that one of his big initiatives early on was air conditioners in the school rooms. That was very interesting. But we've had a show, and you've read about these air purifiers which include ultraviolet systems in them where you can reduce the risk, some people say. And you could put those in classrooms and they would be way cheaper. It would be a lot of money statewide. That's the point. It was the kids, it's the space and it's ventilation. But then ventilation in these schools that are making it has all been changed and is all high-tech to keep the virus. You know that? I mean, it's cheaper than an air conditioner, these things. I think. But even if it wasn't, it wouldn't matter. These things would be very useful. And that would help to minimize the risk and it would help to make parents feel confident. And so Winston, it's all in the end of state of mind, isn't it? How confident should we be? Right now the surge is going up, but the White House is telling us it's going down. There's a lot of lying and confusion around. There's a lot of people who are either stupid or stupider, who are going to rallies and not wearing masks and so forth. The country is in a crisis on every level, political, economic, and public health care. Oh, and the government, I mean, the White House wants to knock off the Affordable Care Act on top of that to a Supreme Court that may very well do it. I mean, are you going to move to Canada? Where are you going to go? What is your level of confidence now? And what do you see in the future, Winston? Well, this is our country. We have a responsibility to be the best citizens that we can. That means being informed. It means voting the right people in. It means rehabilitating our institutions that have been corrupted and hollowed out. Look, Jay, we've got 170 vaccines in the works right now. Maybe when they come out, I should take more than one. Well, maybe you should. But I would wait until they come out. And then you can make that decision. Anthony Fauci said, we need to hunker down for the fall and the winter. He said, just prepare yourselves. There's articles on pictures of the beach if you live in the gold place or put the picture of the mountain skiing if you live in Hawaii so that you can make yourself comfortable. Make sure that you have everything that you need. We've got also, you know, the James Redfield said, I'm not James Redfield, the CDC director, Redfield said that what's coming out of Scott Atlas, everything was a lie that he said, which is disturbing on many levels. And I wonder how much longer he'll last as CDC director. But you know what, there are areas of the government that are trying to get us the right news. So we just kind of have to pick and choose and figure out for ourselves with the best we can with the media sources that we trust of what is actually true, what is, looks like the best thing that we can follow. This has been a do-it-yourself virus from the beginning, and we are going to continue to do that. But as we are going along, we're getting more coherent responses. And so I'm remaining optimistic. I'm remaining optimistic. My God. Okay, he's still optimistic. Only during this show, after the show, you know, then Mike comes out and creeps out. But basically, we're going to beat this thing. We're going to beat this thing. It says we got a lot of pain. We got a lot of pain coming up. Keep saying that. Keep saying that. Okay, we have time for last words. Cynthia, what's your last word you want to give? I think Winston has said he's still an optimist. That's his phrase. What about you? Hashtag paper ballots. No machines anywhere without paper ballots back up. Okay. All right. Stephanie, what do you want to leave on people's minds today? This is where I am and it's not going to help Winston. Okay, abortion, unionization and fossil fuel people who are in the swing states. These are the reasons people are voting for Trump. Okay. Doesn't matter his other ignoramus features. So this has got me down because those people are solid on their grounds to keep those things in place. And the guns. And hey, there's an everybody wanting gun. Haven't seen the end of the gun issue. We don't know that we're free and clear here yet. So maybe the vaccine is our best hope if we can get one that is effective because the issues are there for them and that's what they want and all the rest of it's ignored. Okay, Tim. Oh my God, she made me think of the guns and the Republican poll watchers and potential riots and God knows what election day, but I don't want to think about that. I'd rather ask you what you think about and what you want to leave with our listeners. Well, I'm sorry to say I'm going to take you back to that which you don't want to think about. And that is if you're a citizen of the United States and you value democracy, then stand up now, preserve the integrity of the election, contact whoever you need to contact and say we want our congressmen to stand up. We want to get out there in the streets and say stand up for the preservation of our election system, preserve the integrity of mail-in ballots and stop voter intimidation from white supremacist groups or any other group that have long arms and long rifles. That's where the lawyers who want to litigate should be litigating right there. That's emergency litigation. Let's keep those ballot checkers, Republican ballot checkers, out of the polls. Okay, you guys, thank you very much. We're out of time. I can only say one thing and you know what it means. Think tech, think tech forever. Aloha, we'll see you next time.