 All right last public meeting of the year good times We'll wait a few more minutes folks come on in greetings Alex you're gonna be up first That's okay, it's good times. I don't believe all of our groups are going to be presenting today Yeah, I'll give it a few more minutes or so Dimms, let me know that he's not attending the day. I know Richard Hartman We've got some of the folks at the cute day in Japan and that's one in the morning for them So they're not gonna be here Good fun. That's probably fair enough, you know Time zones they work like you know in all sorts different ways sometimes good sometimes bad. It's fine Yeah, I'll give another minute and then we'll get started. So all right. I think when Claire This is like the we're gonna get we've got who we're going to get so we'll we'll go ahead and kick us off So welcome. You have made it Normal antitrust applies here. You have made its meeting or you've made it the recording one of two TUC members are here and Here's our updates We are doing tag updates day tag storage tech security runtime observability network environmental sustainability and contributor strategy So we are gonna kick us off with storage Alex passing to you. Thank you Hello Okay, so From a project's point of view we've shelled some of the previous updates So things like open EBS. We've just taken them off the slide for now until they come back with with an update on their side But one thing is I know the cloud native PG group Have reached out and said that they would like to Represent and reapply for sandbox following the feedback from the TOC So we'll we'll try and get that sorted out and then we had Xing From from our tag and Melissa from oh, that's a typo Melissa from the to do okay Which is the Dayton Kubernetes community Have proposed that we that we work on a collaboration and we we had a discussion in our last call and one of the things that came out was that we we could there's been a lot of questions and a lot of a Lot of opportunity to work on Perhaps a white paper that would cover database patterns in in Kubernetes so things like the the different operators that are available and then different ways of of Implementing this and then kind of ties ties in with the performance and disaster recovery work that we've done previously as well And so what we're going to do is we we agree that we're we're going to try and structure this similarly to some of our other white papers where we put a bit of a framework together to to To sort of like to kind of create a skeleton document and then Crowdsource from different community members the for the different chapters and different areas in there. So I'm going to try and set that up with Derek from the provigate team and Leonardo from the planet of PG team who have volunteered to help set this up and start up the documents and then we'll and then we'll Populate that as we go along. So that could be quite exciting for us and We're also working on This use case templates, which is which is basically a Template that we're trying to set up to cover off The attributes from the storage white paper and disaster recovery attributes and disaster recovery white paper And using that as a template For different use cases for stateful workloads in in Kubernetes and the and the idea would be that We could potentially seed See those the first few templates from and use cases from some of the work that we're doing with the database With the database work and the database patterns. So that could be a starting point The clarinet of disaster recovery we published that in the tag repo and we talked about it in our last Kubecon presentation as well the performance and benchmarking white paper. We probably need to get together again and just finalize stuff And we have additional with we've had a number of tag meetings over the last few months with with project updates and we're going to be reaching out to some additional projects as well to to get some more updates as we go along Especially with in collaboration with the with the the okay group too And that's that's us Excellent any questions from the group? Write nothing in chat Cool. Thank you much Thank you and given as we have The the next meeting is basically coming directly after the holidays I think you've got until February to be able to give your next update. So you got time Sounds good. Cool I do not see any security folks in the call the drop to run time Which is Ricardo come on in All right. Hello. Hi All right, so some some updates from tag runtime In terms of projects and presentations and involvement with the community In the containers and runtime space we had Project called Lima present It's basically Linux virtual machines Allows you to run container D on top of Different types of architectures, but mostly for Mac So that's done. This is a sandbox project in the CNCF already We also had the container D project come in and present So they provided an update of the roadmap showed us What's coming in versions 1.7 and beyond so very Excited to see that from the container D project. It's already a graduated project and Being used around the world in many many areas many services You also use by Kubernetes In terms of workloads We have a project called case serve That is presented in our next meeting and this project Basically allows you to serve machine learning models Using Kubernetes custom resource definitions CRD's So we'll see that next We also had another project called CBL Mariner It's basically Linux distribution for the edge from the folks at Microsoft that already done they presented in The I think last month They gave me is familiar with that and another project called in NARTS And it's a different take on confidential computing but using web assembly we reached out to them They've already replied. So there's interest in presenting. So hopefully we'll see that present in the next few meetings And what means another project that we also reached out? this is a web assembly interpreter and They've also replied. So we expect them to present soon Also, the open source or open policy registry presented last month and this is basically Opa policies using the OCI spec So the relationship there with runtime is that they're using the OCI spec This is more closely related to runtime in that area, but you know, it also overlaps with security in In terms of activities with the tag we one of the things going on with our IoT working IoT edge working group we published the first draft of our net edge native principles of white paper it's in the github repo in we Expect to work or they expect to work with the CNCF and also with the tag to create a Edge native landscape. So we'll be reaching out later and to to make that happen. So Either they want to create at their own land landscape or maybe they'll want to add it to the CNCF landscape And The batch system initiative Working group also continues to make progress on different things One of them is for for example interactive jobs. So they're working with the Kubernetes community to make that happen In KubeCon North America, we also had an in-person session with The unit craft team and they talked about unit kernels So we got some engagement with with that project specifically And we're also planning an in-person session for KubeCon EU. I Think that's all for the updates for tag runtime for now and I think I see a question. What did you learn from the workload? presentations from Josh Not really sure what the question means. It's like it's a general presentation from from the from the community or You had all these presentations of different workloads Obviously, we're trying to learn something from them. So what did you learn? Yeah, I mean, it's multiple things. I mean that they the projects some of them are maturing for example, like CVL CVL Mariner is Being created by Microsoft and they They plan to Continue to to get more contributions, but internally they're they're being used but Internally at Microsoft and there's there's No No direct plan maybe I made it to the NCF, right? So that's one that's one example, right? So but I don't have so there's I mean many things that you you get to learn, right? So Okay, well, I wasn't I wasn't able to attend the The roundup meeting last month So maybe you can give me some context on these workload interviews CBL Mariner is not going to become a CNCF project Right. So so my question is why were you interviewing? What what were you getting out of it? I think I can speak like help like frame some of this like Ricardo The tag runtime tends to be able to go reach out towards like wide varieties of different places That are working in cloud native even if they're not going to come and touch like CNCF directly Ricardo like please help me if I'm mischaracterizing any of that. That's that that's correct, right? Yeah, so I mean it doesn't mean that they're gonna be part of the CNCF that the idea is to engage different projects so that they actually come in and and present and and provide their Yeah, their input and and and actually people attend the meeting and engage the community So they get they get more interested in open source in general, right? So in in in this area right intact runtime, right? I mean every tag has a different scope, right? So Does that make sense? Okay, okay. Thanks Happy For the workloads, right? You have different types of workloads here. Is there any integration work you're planning to integrate for example with a WebAssembly integrator? Any sort of any planning to integrate with that workload? Great the runtime that container deal Yeah, I mean like for example, the tainterd has a has a like They provided in the roadmap and actually they actually they they have an integration with WebAssembly for example, right? So So and I think I've seen a number of these projects like Docker also trying to add like WebAssembly So so yeah, so it's not an up-and-coming area, right? I mean, it's not fully used in production environments in a lot of places, but But but maybe we'll see it in the future Looking around for anybody else any other questions Thank you tag runtime, we'll see you in February Thank you. Yay. All right moving on Observability, I am not sure if I've got anybody from observability on the line From once going twice They're doing things observe They're doing a lot of things if like if anybody comes on in wants to be able to give voice to this one happy to move back And we'll move on a network Nice very good The other tag is observing at the moment, so everyone be quiet It how many points am I gonna lose if I ask you to refresh this line? Not a ton, not a ton, you could one for your share like, you know Like once a year you We've got space today, like it's fine. I'm not worried Oh, right. Hello. All good. All good Come on back in Hey, you could have second to be able to like, you know, oh, yeah Make even worse jokes, and I already did that and be perfect All good So the tag hasn't It missed a couple of meetings for a bunch of different reasons, but the upcoming agenda As we have it for this Thursday Really has two things it's An update on network service mesh and Just a project update. It's been a little over a year since we'd heard from that that project that one's within the Within the tag today And so Mr. Ed Warneke should be presenting that. That'd be good. The other agenda item is this an upcoming cloud native playground from the meshery project You think many of you for the context here is probably many of you are familiar with meshery as a service mesh manager and it's expanded its scope to include cloud native management in general or it kind of be a multi cluster Kubernetes manager and as such it it's a That the working group here has been helping Prepare a playground to come and explore a broad variety of the cncf projects specifically so that people can um visually design and configure those cncf projects so Here the playground is an up and coming announcement from um the meshery project And that'll be hopefully presented on thursday There's an upcoming presentation from slime A project that is I think currently proposed for sandbox um, and so we need to get them slotted that is a A service mesh manager. I'm bringing additional intelligence on top of istio specifically Is what slime is And so yeah, that's that's about what the group has And bad jokes too All good any questions from the group? All right. Thank you very much tag network. We will see you over in February. Thank you Hey Perfect. Oh, welcome in welcome in new tag environmental sustainability Which one of the chairs wants to be able to take it? That will be me. Hi everyone. Max come on in How are you doing? Um, so I hope next time when we meet in february We will also come up with some uh nice logo. It's currently in apol So hopefully soon we have also some nice animal to show you and display and recognize us um So far maybe the the minor milestones we have set up all the governance structure. So we are open for presentation um, we have their Uh, the process or the standard process how to bring presentations to us and now we're Open looking forward to get some very interesting tools to see um from the community perspective, uh, we voted caro delia um As a tech lead and she got nominated or other way around she got nominated and she got voted um to take over the role as one of our tech leads, which is very great because she has a long track environmental sustainability and community work and It's a great great fit for that role um, also until now we have an environmental sustainability survey, um running which was closed last week And we have more or less around 50 participants so far It was just debuted through the kc in uh to skip gone in north america and the kcd's and social media and the purpose of this survey is to understand from the cloud native perspective of um, what are the current interesting parts for the community in the end user Two words environmental sustainability. What are the challenges? What they're working on and what they want to do next? Um, we know and we are aware of that. There are also other surveys around like from the queen software foundation But as the name also spells they have a very deep software focus They touch some cloud topics and we are here in a close uh communication with the managing directors of the gsf um to ensure that we In future maybe keep this question a little bit more in sync and that they are more like adding to each other value rather than to be um Like a competitor next steps for that Waiting for getting the feedback on or getting the answers to analyze them and then create a report for the first insights Um, and yeah, then we are actually looking to the direction of kubekan kubekan glennay.com europe Um, it's I guess very soon after christmas. It feels like just a few weeks more and then we are there So, um, we are currently proposing or working on the proposal for a tech talk and also playing a project meeting um the last kubekans we did this more like uh at hawk and in between the chairs I'm now happy to set up a real life meeting with all the community here in europe and everyone who comes over And um as an additional target for the kubekan we have two major topics We are working on which is a landscape document giving an overview of what is currently available what you can do within the cloud native landscape To ensure environmental sustainability And in addition to work on a cloud native environmental Sustainability majority model, um, which is oriented or should be oriented on the kato krafos working group And either should be like an add-on, but we have to talk with the people Or a standalone version of it with a clear focus environmental sustainability And that's it. No, it's super. Thank you All right questions for actually, what are you well calling yourselves now? Are you tag inv? um The vote falls for tag inv Okay, tag in. Okay, awesome Lovely. All right. Kathy, it's a question for you. Yeah. Yeah, so I think this you know survey report is very good. So where are you going to publish that the report? Mm-hmm. Um, I think that's not yet clarified Most likely at at latest point or at least it will be in our github repository but we will also ensure that we will communicate it hopefully and through the cncf channels and Yeah publish it through all the ways which I reckon reach out to Okay, thank you. Basically watch this place for more. Yeah, there's gonna be more Yeah, all right moving right along. Thank you max Thank you for your strategy. We've got a lot of folks on the line. Let's take it on. Come on in. Hello everyone. Hello Um, yeah, so we we had I guess a lot of stuff going on. Um, since last update, uh, there was kubecon, of course so we had quite a bit of Um presence there. So we had a project pavilion kiosk and a maintainer session And also lots of ad hoc discussions with the ncf projects. So both the maintainer session the kiosk and just having us there generated lots of Conversations and so lots of projects were stopped by to get advice. So that was that was really really nice We just finished the contributor survey. So it was just closed. We're still in the process of analyzing the results um, but they are working on a blog post for A little just a little bit of data about the survey that the cncf is Helping us drive that blog post. So that should be coming shortly. I think we're editing it right now And then we're also talking a lot about next steps for just the tag awareness campaign that we've been pushing for a while. So with the Uh decline of twitter, uh, we're having conversations around uh mastodon around linkedin Other places where we can promote some of the tags efforts And get the word out about the resources that we have. So those those discussions are are ongoing if you have any Opinions, uh, let us know in slack. That would be that'd be great And then, you know, we did some of this at cube con, but it also happens quite a bit in other forums, but we do Give advice and have lots of discussions that help various cncf projects with You know, contribute growth and governance. So we we've talked to captain for contributor ladder We've talked to a few projects around governance. So backstage operator framework and c r i o As well as some, you know, potential new cncf projects for review So this is something that happens in various channels like and people ping us on slack people drop into our meetings And this is this is what we're here for right? This is a core part of what tag contributor strategy is designed to do Is provide advice for projects the mentoring working group has just been on a tear we've uh, I say we've The the group that works on mentoring has done a ton of stuff recently. So, you know, google seasons of season of docs We've had three mentorships 16 for google summer of code There's been a bunch of activity around the lfx mentorships with um, you know, 24 projects in the most recent term which was September through November Which is fantastic and all of this added up is 106 mentorship projects this year, which is fabulous And 95 mentors across those projects. So so kudos to Nate and jay and the rest of the the mentorship team for that The other thing we have is a proposal to add governance review as a requirement for graduation So we do this informally for lots of projects as they're talking about the move from incubation to governance, but one of the key elements of graduation is that It'd be, you know, company neutral and that they're um, that the governance has moved beyond that dominance by a single company So one of the things that we think we should do is have that be a requirement the same way that the tag security review is a requirement for projects moving to graduation So, uh, I think josh created this issue Yesterday or the day before the last couple of days So it's linked here and so I would encourage all of the In particular the tsc members, but also the rest of the group from the various tags to have a look at that issue and You know thumbs up writes and comments give us some feedback Because that is something that we want to bring into the the tsc for a vote shortly And then our regularly scheduled reminder that we are here to help projects So if you see projects struggling with governance Contributor growth Any of the topics covered by the tag send us, you know, send them our way. We're happy to help Any questions about any of that? See nothing but lots of good work going on in here That yeah, definitely kudos on like the how many mentorships you've got. Yeah, sure. Kathy come on in Yeah, yeah, I just want to say yeah, it's a lot of you know, good work out here. I think yeah, it's a very good work It can move along This is our last piece in here. So like we're gonna wrap up early today. I'm pretty sure um Any updates on projects moving around From the folks on the call. I know that I've got uh, Dave on the call and uh, harry's with us as well I mean, I can always call in just in cormac too Right, so Yeah, yeah, I could give some update around, um Open coolest and kubevilla. So both of them have submitted the due diligence documentation for review and actually the first one we have been done and we give certain Feedbacks and comments but overall it's in good shape And they also actively scheduled the end user interviews for both And we have almost done more than half of the end user interviews. So I will say the progress is pretty fast So hopefully at least one of them can move to a public comment before the holiday. So we are in good shape Falco we Falco, we just got the dark. Um, and we've got some people to interview but um, so we just got there today So we're making progress there as well Excellent. Okay. That is good news All right, any other projects that want to be able to like I we don't have everybody here So I'm not gonna like run through the whole list And so some update on the, um Cryo the CIO project um Yeah, we have started the kickoff meeting with the maintainers and have identified some new Adopters or users for the interview. So interview session is being set up It's moving forward. Well, that's super excellent All right, hearing hearing nothing further from the group. Um, we'll move on to like last questions in here Alex come on in Oh, no, no, there's no questions Sorry, but it's when we when people are new to I assume that means it like that my hand is up except my hand is not up um Going once I will send everybody back into their day. It's good to see all of you. Thank you so much for dropping in today That's all for the update from tags. We'll see you in February Thank you