 सब से कम स्कोर है, एक पारी में चछत्तिज्रान, इस से पहले ता ब्यालिस, इंगलन्त के खलाफ, साल ता उन्निसो चोहत्तर. लेकिन अगर आज से तोड़ा और रीबाईंट करो, to be particular 50 years, तुफर भाई बहारत के यो खेल जगत की बात करना, उस दन भी एकुच एतहासे की हूँआ, because 50 years back, बहारत ने at the 1970 Asian Games में अपना एक लोता ब्रोंस अपने नाम किया था, and उसके बाई बहारत ये team ने कभी ये मुकाम हासिल नहीं किया, so about that team, उसके बाई बाई बाई बात करने किल हमार साध, as always है, जैदी भासु, Leslie Zavia, and Siddhanta Annie. तुसर सर पहले ये बताओ, किसने देखी चतिस की पारी यहांपे, and who saw the 36th party here, और आप में से कोवान मापे था की, मैं तो केंगे अबाई, ये तो 3 out होगे, ये तो 4 out होगे, has anyone seen this? आप से किसने देखा यहांपे? I heard the commentary of the 42, not 36, that day. आप देखे लिए, and there was a joke that one British lady, he complained to her husband that I told you so many times not to go to the washroom during Indian Indians, you couldn't hold it. एक नास्को, सोलका स्को, 18, and he was the top scorer, I remember, that's all. आप से होता है, आप से होता है. But very, very fortunately I couldn't watch this. I was busy elsewhere. आप देखास्क ता सर, कोई बाजी, बर ये ना ये जो शो है, आप लो, you start thinking that we are here to talk about cricket. आप से होता है, यहां, कि यहां, कि बाजी होती. Just to interject we need to do something because जेदी सर, विष्वल्स वे नोग देर, on the live. विष्वल्स वे नोग, only your visual is there, so screen sharing I think is to do something. मेरे दोस, अभी देख मेरी शकल आरी, आप लो सोचो ये अवाज किस किस की है? Well, of course, this is the voice of जेदी बासु की अवाज है. लेसली जेविर की भी अवाज आप आप यहां पे, यहां पे, इंटर्जेख्छन हो आता. And our director, अप भी शाध अर और फ, अमरे ज्यान भेजने वाले अई न्सान, सिदान तैनी उनकि बी शकल आप पुछी देज मेंगे भी देखेंगे. वो बैसे ही नूटर दिस टेख्नोलोगी. और तेकनोलोगी और उनका सात काअफी देडता कभी रहाग ए, अगँओ़, आगओ़, आगठ. ताल्याँ. ताल्याँ, बाद काम की करेंगे, यहाँपे, करिकिट की बात नहीं होगी, जैदीप सर, पचाससाल पहले, और पचाससाल कहले आजके दिन तो, ब्रोंस मेटल मिलाता, लेकिन उस से पहले, काफी पहले, बन्कोग बन्कोग वोस्तर दी आश्विंजिम्स अन्नेन्टिन सबिन्ती अस्लावाद बैक्टाउट फोट वोस्तर रिजन्स at the last moment, so it was actually thrust upon Bangkok and they were they were actually reluctant hosts 66 they were they were willing hosts but say four years later they were reluctant hosts, so they did not even did not even build a what to say games village infrastructure infrastructure, no infrastructure, all the teams were put put in a hotel and the and they said we cannot go for the 16-day 16-day Asian Games has to be finished in 10 days so what happened coming back to football only that in between in nine days of time India played six matches and there were times when India played a match in 24 hours and till they did very they from 10th of December they played the first match against Thailand and 19th of December they played the semi-final third third third place match against Japan so in a span span of 10 days they played six matches and they must have they did very creditably in the in the fact with the fact that that this India team was a depleted site I would say depleted site for the reason India the finest forward in the in the country at that time in the in the same was suppose to leave the tight team if but he got injured that he did not play the tournament so India went with their without their best strikers and still scored eight goals and finished third, and came back with the bronze medal and in the bronze medal match the bit Japan, the same team which two years ago in 1968 became the first Asian team to win an Olympic football पी्याम तो धक्अएक तो बँलनी ठीड़ ना नहीं कर मैंक ढोड़बे बाज़्टी वेठ लेज्दे दोड़बे बाज़ेड़ बाज़ेना ने थी, ही आउणी नहीं मैंजंदेिक बाब है, नहींच्टेप है तुम की रच्टीग, टीदे भागे बाब है, आश सभरधीन � लगा खुर येँ अपनी इमगाियी बाजा तॉव्रग इस्मेडल अजन्वाजी मेंगाियी जिसे थी क।मनेगर सोच्तट, यह आप इदरघार्द़ेके अगठा, बवाछदर्धुरता, अमर्जीद संद्या, च्लाआपतला, वित्एगादी था, सगनाइ ऐक अछीद कित शम्थ Corps धुर34 अंच्क्ःदान कयगे श्या बाहानी उनचा लिए planner अर्जात्नितागा और दरी औंचाता क्योजी क्योचिया। कना और सब असकंटा खुथा। आप वॉन्रदी जी समथबा एद टैनिरि मैंचे जार्षी कि और दे आचे या तो वगाशा को ते सईगटा, four and years all of them were students in India. and they were playing club football also in India. any bhai, what can you do when you don't have a high school भी सोत की तवी दी जोत के सती ज़ूँनी mountain administrators, बिस्वार दंशार लिए रिए वग़े खॉझां देरासा की वगासां। तिस्वी अपने आद्गिष्ट स्थि आपकर वो भार भी बादगुषुए अorth तो वो भार सहाँच कि वो वार स्रगछान और आदोख्तर दे खॉष्चाच की विश्चाच बागे विश्चाच। शाँदा है, बशाखवावात ऺिश साँ गेता,स्ती आप नहीं चावगाशी भे कागाशी चाँषाजिग काजवाशी to to. believed that the group stage well. So it was the top standard for Asia. there was no second team, no under 23 players, nothing. Everybody got their best team. India also tried to bring fl India's India's good thing was this particularly had a lot of talented players. Whether they are their their are their product of the system or they came up on their own or whether AF Welcome did anything. if you have this conversation 50 years later i think it's very important that you relive what happened on that day and 10 days in that tournament but i think what's more important is in these 50 years for what you're calling as possibly your greatest sporting achievement on the football field have you done enough to pay respect to what they've done on the field that's my point do that it takes much more than remembering their names right so because you have to build from the legacy that they created so whether indian football have managed to do that we can see that because we are struggling to qualify for the asian cup we didn't send our team for the asian games last time around so that's the important question that is there but then if you haven't done anything post 1950 sorry 1970 shouldn't it be easier to highlight what they've done that's okay so we've done this is one team that's gone where no other team is gone so it's easier to put them up on a mantle and saying here are your heroes but then firstly one aspect is that there is no mantle in place no one lifts these players up and say that these players have a greatest players secondly the decline I would like to present this perspective here the decline never started or the slide towards where we are never started at 1970 in fact I would personally believe that we have not slid we have just remained stagnant there that's the problem the world has gone ahead and where did that going ahead start it started from 1950 if you ask me when we were we are qualified for the world cup without playing a match that way because all the other three teams had left had pulled out from the asian group and then we didn't play that world cup and beyond that till 1986 when the great deogha maradona may rest in peace when he was the star of the world cup 1986 world cup was a world cup where India played the qualifiers after 1950 so that is that huge self-imposed exile which is perplexing I would say because if there was a decent football culture at that point there is a lot of following and we were doing well at the Olympic games when we go there we were asian champions we were asian game champions and still we just overlooked the games biggest tournament so that's where the lack of vision started the Indian football authority is the bosses who were controlling the game at that point should have had a larger sense of where the world is heading rather than remaining in an island saying that this is our game we will play like this we will play like that we have our asian cup so if you look at the picture of the Indian team playing in those years in those three decades the most regular tournament that we attend is the merdeka cup so whatever number of matches that they play over there at that point and then when the asian cup or the asian games happen a similar match there I mean a number of matches there if you look at 1970 the current medal that we are talking about that was a year of the world cup as well and asia had israel playing from there and israel is no longer part of the ASC anymore and israel qualified because some of the nations refuse to play them either at that point itself because of the political issues that the country comes with so and then post that 1974 world cup there were 16 teams playing for the qualifying slot from asia and so these are matches these are international matches these are good quality matches so when we talk about ISL and how players develop into better players how match time is important and all these factors three four generations of Indian football players great as they are lost out on good quality matches when the entire asian lot was playing among themselves and getting better by understanding what the global football where the global football is heading we just remain where we are so and it reflects now because we are decades behind the rest of the world as far as game is concerned as far as organization is concerned as well through a fair point any bhai cut you in the middle of your conversation with Mr.Bassi bhai a little insight do na kis kisam ke logthe kya bataya team ke baare mein kis kisam ka mahal tha kyunki team jo chalti hain mahal pe chalti hain team me mahal achha otana tabi team je 10 din me 6 mukabhle me achha predarshan de ke aati hain so what all did he tell you about the team one of the things was that like jaydi was very rightly saying that it was a phenomenally talented squad and particularly in the attacking sort of positions and the sort of approach to football that the the Indian coaches had at that point it was wasn't a team that was going with any purpose sort of winning a medal that in itself reflects so when jaydi was talking to us he was telling us that not for a minute despite all of the complications and the issues because of the schedule and how tightly packed the matches were like jaydi was saying 6 matches in 9 days 10 days there was no real sort of feeling that the team was going into that tournament with the purpose of coming home and just having participated there was a bit of a setback because of the injury to Indrasingh who along with Sunil Chaitri is I guess India's top scorer at the continental level and major sort of like inspiration in that sense for the forward line but despite him being missing there was 7 or 8 6 or 7 players who capable of scoring goals and in that opening match I think of the tournament against was it Indonesia is it Thailand against the hosts we went to unil down so jerry was remembering that kind of half time the kind of conversations they were having then like what about telling us I will just tell you what happened what happened India was playing against the host in the very first match and what happened India were 2 nil down so before the half time I think 5 minutes before the half time India equalized 1 Vomix scored 1 so as Vomix scored 1 it was 2-1 and as they came back to the dressing room they shaped the mission of Indian contingent Arjun Singh yeah Arjun Singh he came to the dressing room and he was a bit upset and he said what kind of football you were playing this is not the way we should be playing you are not doing any justice to the name of our great nation or something like that he said which players did not like at all no player will like and Muhammad Habib said Muhammad Habib told the boys if we if you lose then you have to die you have to die here you have to get this match and immediately after 5 minutes Vomix scored another and it became 2-2 and Vomix says if that we did not win the match it was my mistake because then 1-2 Habib Bhai played 1-2 he scored 1 outside and I thought I will score with great style and from the right he will score on the right and he will score on the outside and you can expect Mr. Bhomix to say that given the kind of person he is and how he talks very straight up he says it was actually my mistake India did not win and I did not get my hat-trick but after the match I believe as Siddhant was saying Arjun Singh was very very happy with the boys and then on India started playing and in the end that first game didn't really have so much of an impact because they managed to sort of come back to the next game and top the group anyway which I think led some of the I think one of the articles Jayadip has written I will try to post some of the links to some of those articles in the chat here that Stanley Rao, who was the FIFA president at the time even went so far as to say that in his opinion India and Japan should be the 2 teams playing the final but going back to the team environment or the dressing room environment I think one of the things that these guys were remembering was that everyone was playing at the top of their game at that point then you had some young players like Sudhir Karmakar who was in the bronze medal match the man of the match, I think he was a 20 year old defender at that time playing for East Bengal and there was an injury of course Naeem say Naeem would be one of India's most successful players captains, coaches was at the heart of being in defence at that time and Karmakar came in for that crucial game against Japan and by all accounts did a pretty stellar job of keeping the Japanese striking force in check I think Jeddip has so many stories because he has spoken to so many of the players on that team that he is the right man to tell us about all of these things but in Jeddip's memory it was a phenomenal dressing room because there were a bunch of leaders in it talent without a doubt goalscorers by the natural goalscorers you would have to say a bunch of true leaders because what happens is that you often see in the dressing room and there is a very talented lot who like you said at the peak of their game it also has the makings of explosions in the dressing room if you don't connect but here if you all connected for that one cause then clearly you've got your head in the right place and you're coming together for the greater good I think also at that time Leslie my point being that like Ani said when they were going for the Asian games you know you're not going there to participate so that in itself brings you together saying that if you go then you have to come to the podium even if anything happens exactly in that sense I think PK Banerjee's role in the dressing room is also because he is a winner and one of the greatest players and the previous generation also so he is not completely connected with the current float because many of these players might have I mean might have wanted to emulate him or might have been inspired by him so such an inspiration figure larger than life figure in the dressing room his presence also makes a huge sense also I guess Asian games Gold medal and Asia Cup victories and all that were pressed in their minds also I mean obviously if they come without a medal it would have been a big underachievement before that we used to talk about the Indian hockey team going to the Olympics and if they go if they come back without gold it becomes an underachievement in itself the same thing football was I mean at least at the Asian level when we go for the Asian Cup for the Asian game we went there as winners and that's the kind of attitude which transforms team like you said the dressing room becomes positive 2 nil down against the host and in the dressing room you are talking about victory nothing else you are not drooping your shoulders because you know you are better that's the hallmark of a strong side yeah walking into this thing we might have some more anecdotes of the dressing room sir I wanted to ask you that the top players were from Calcutta they were playing in Mumbai, in Maffat Lal at that time the local clubs were playing there were a lot of names in those cities atleast where they were playing yeah that's true Amar Bahadur was the main player of Maffat Lal Manjeet Singh was the main player of so what I mean is that if you are playing in Mumbai for Maffat Lal then there are a lot of names in Mumbai yeah that's true Harood League used to be very famous in those days and Maffat Lal of course was a very strong side Maffat Lal had Amar Bahadur had Ranjit Thapa Pura Golkha Brigitte ka team of Maffat Lal Uttke Chalagya tha Bhupinda Singh Rawat then our form of Delhi man you remember Shankar Mokha Ji Stopper back Maffat Lal was a very strong team in those days you were talking about anecdotes Subhash Bommi has the best thing to say as he was saying they were for medal he said I had to win a medal because I was just quoting a girl at that time she will say you are such a bad player that you can't even win a medal how can you win a medal they don't even understand what the situation is actually in international football I just wanted to check also I mean we spoke about Japan and now Japan were the premier team in Asia I just wanted to check with Jedib again as some discussion happened because India lost to Japan in the quarter final group stage 1-0 and then you come back and when the medalist has taken you beat Japan what was the players attitude have anybody revealed how they approached the second game because there was so much to win and so much to lose as well even life long relationship was there at stake actually what happened the Japan was the I think Japan match the fourth match in six days six on and by that time India already qualified for the semifinals so players told Basha and PK Banerjee that please keep all the regulars out and play at least 4-5 4-5 substitutes because this is getting too much for the players because we are playing almost 24 hours after 24 hours but Mr. Banerjee and Basha both were not ready for it they had the argument that this is a winning combination we are not going to break the winning combination and players say even Shantapa has told me this even Sudhir Kalmakar has told me this that Japan match we were very tired actually we lost the Japan match and because of that we lost the semifinal against against Barma Barma India lost 2-0 that was the reason we lost against Barma we told the coaches many a times keep some of the players out so when it came to the Japan match for the third place it became another problem because India were playing in the 4-2-4 system two stop-up acts were Naimuddin who was the captain and Prashad Chandrashar Prashad were the stop-up acts Prashad had had some injury he did not want couldn't be played then the problem was who will play the central defender along with Naimuddin then Kalmakar said I will play the coaches said can you manage because you are 5.5 and the Kamamoto is 6.2 can you manage he said I will manage then who will go to the right back position then Shivadash very good player now he is in Dubai I think Mr.Shivadash played at the right back Nirmal Sengupta played at the left back and Naim and Kalmakar played these stop-up acts and Stanley Rao's after the match said that I consider this boy Sudhir Kalmakar as Asia's best defender because for 6-70 minutes Kamamoto did not win and single aerial ball against Kalmakar he was so good in that match how long did Sudhir Kalmakar play for the country then after that Sudhir Kalmakar was a what a strange character he played for India for another 5 years 74 asian games he was supposed to go as the captain but he he send a message that he is injured he cannot come for the cap those days there was no checking or anything but later on it is alleged I don't know Sudhinda might it is alleged Sudhinda was bored with a long camp in Patiala so he did not want to go I mean sir you understand from this he was a fun player Ashok Ghosh was the IFF secretary who later become AFF secretary he said Sudhir you go to the camp in Patiala I am very injured I cannot go he said who will go to Patiala 25-25 days camp he is not like me you know the talented player he is a characterist he is a manmoji Sudhir Kalmakar was like that even PK Banerjee used to say I never used to press him for practice because I knew he is my jewel in the crown he used to swing all team so when he was practicing not much practicing others used to point out he said he said if I say more then the game will be bad as much as he is doing because he will produce the result that much I know so for 70 minutes Kamamoto did not touch a ball and he finally was replaced he won the medal and it was wrongly reported in the newspapers that India's goal was scored by Manjeet Singh actually the goal was scored by Amar Bahadur the only goal of the match it is like saying our crew for 20 grand we let Siddhant be there because we know that don't press Siddhant too much but he is the friend friends we hold such ears we hold such ears Bhoomi said this team was our self-belief was too much not only the self-belief we were too proud of ourselves we were too proud of ourselves so can I can I ask you can I ask you what can this be this is a belief so the Burma game of course now Manmar but that time it was Burma what happened in that was it a question of just tiredness because it came after that Japan game or was it a bit of complacency that look we are by far the better side here we are all big players big clubs all of that this game shouldn't be a problem what happened then I spoke to PK Benerji once PK Benerji says first thing was Burma were a better team that is the first thing Burma were a better team and second he says bit unfortunate we were because Magan Singh's ball just went over the ball Subhaz Bhoomi sent a spiral which came of the post but players say we were we could have gone gone a little more we could have attacked a little more but tired but Mr. Benerji always told me that they were the better team on that day he said otherwise how can they walked out walked away with the gold medal and we we only took the bronze so when you came back with bronze sorry Leslie no I am just saying to you so we could probably averse from this that if it was a rich team probably meant for gold medal just that it was the players were not managed properly because such a busy schedule probably we should have the team management at the time should have used the players diligently rotated them a little because you had talented players in the mix I mean very very talented but when you go to a tournament then you are not it is unlike ISL right now because of the pandemic I will have to increase my team strength but when you are going for a 10 day tournament then you say sir work like a bull who is your best combination you know time in you Basa Sahib was bit old time Basa Sahib was that you practice for 5 hours what are you talking about that kind of Basa Sahib was a very good coach but a bit of an old timer and his argument was also right that he did not want to break the winning combination which you are saying at you the team that wins if you look at the history in any tournament whether it is world cup whatever team wins if you look at the strength of the players they use 12 to 14 players 14 is on to the high side so here there is a 10 day tournament the tournaments there are 30 days tournaments so here in 10 days tournaments if you suddenly start doing chopping and changing because say it is a busy schedule it will go against you which I can understand that means 10 days you have to start like a bull and remove the reserve fuel remove the reserve fuel in between you might get jhatkas but eventually your work will come if I can take it forward when they came back was it deemed as a success because 50 years later when we were talking about anything in international football it is a major success but at that time what were the expectations there was it termed a success or was it termed as an under-achievement it was termed as a decent result because 62 asian games India won the gold medal and 66 India did not win anything so when they came back with the bronze medal people were happy that they have at least put the country again in the top package when the when the see when the team went team did not went for playing the tournament when the team went fans expected India will reach the final lot of fans said final to kheel ke aoghe because they were good players so it was deemed as a decent success there were no over the top celebrations of the dissertations except that one photo session with the prime minister anyone who won the championship photo session with the prime minister i think that is all after that they started playing immediately during the start that tells you categorically that where you stood in football at that time that you went to the Asian games and brought the bronze and you are not even saying that you have to do this and that you have to do this and that you got a photo you have to do something you will get so many hits ads it will be a 15 year cycle it will be hard to talk to them there will be 3-4 peer agencies managing them from all it is a different era and that is why probably there was more fan connect fan involvement also players were all relatable so now the popular idea is to the predominant idea is to make them get the players onto a pedestal and keep them there and keep that girl so that that aura is there and maintain that that aura does not need to come from a medal so that is how things have been what he calls that manufactured manufactured manufactured you got to build heroes most important this was an all India team if you look at it you look at it Ajayab Singh and Manjeet Manjeet Singh are from Tanjab Amar Bahadur, Siv Das Jerry Basi all were playing in Bombay Doraisami Nataraj goalkeeper some pathood popular saving in the third place match were from Karnataka like Shantapa and all were playing in Calcutta but basically from Deradun then Subhas Bhomeek and Sudhir Kalmokar who are basically Calcutta both best players it was an all India team Naimuddin and Hari were actually from Hyderabad and like previous generation I believe that there was no clash within the team either because it was one strong unit because we have seen couple of A generation or a couple of generations before that Olympic team and all that there were issues with the coach and the star players and all that because they were playing together for some time because previous two 1970 Asian games in 69 Mardek almost the same team finished third that was also that was also a rather unfortunate because India should have reached the final India were leading 2-0 against South Korea in the semifinal and then they considered 3 goals again Prashat got injured Ashok Lal Banerjee came in his place and he licked in not he but India licked in 3 goals so India was supposed to reach the final India lost in the semifinals and won the third place match finished third in the 69 Mardek tournament in Kuala Lumpur so as Arjun was saying when this team left for Asian games they were people expected them to come back with them yeah that tells you the state you are in your football listen exactly the state your football is in because sir you are going in Asian games so as Siddhan bhai said in the beginning that you are going to participate you are going to play you are going to feel feeling but you know that time you are going there is certain expectation it tells you about here is my point we keep harping on the fact that we don't have good coaching we don't have good infrastructure and what not and this is the only way forward I don't know if that time you had crazy infrastructure I don't know if you had crazy talent spotting at the time but you had local organic level tournaments you had organic based teams that you know you would be a part of there was a maybe not a written rule but there was an unwritten way of moving along the levels I have seen you somewhere you got a chance to play small games are happening here so you get a chance to play after so many years we dissect where our story has become that we are going here and suddenly we are coming down I don't think you can point it on lack of coaching and lack of infrastructure my point being it's there but it's not the primary reason I'm sorry I don't think it's the primary reason that you don't have a coach you don't have a player it's secondary there is one thing that you can't build that was organic involvement in the game and a team at a very local level that was your base and of course you became a player and you continued to be a player so I think that's where you were sir you noticed when you studied in 1970 and you asked the period between 1970 and 1980 and I'm not even talking international football I'm saying local football did something happen in the way we approached local level football that the impact was made when the decline started international level football see 70 Asian games team between 70 and all of them played for 5-6 years more for India what they say that our main thing was we were playing like crazy we were playing like crazy the season started there were a lot of tournaments in south Naag ji, Bhag ji all these tournaments for a one and a half month tour of south Kerala mein tournament Vizag mein tournament Tamil Nadu mein tournament after one and a half months we came back to Kolkata that was the season if we played Calcutta team then we played the local league all states like that we played the local league in between we were all working for some bank or some FCI or some government office league we had to play once the local league is there then all top teams are playing eye of the shield Durant cup, DCM Lovers cup then finally federation cup came later in 1978 but finally Santosh Trophy he says we are playing like crazy 45-45 matches we will play 50 matches that is the thing even office teams we are supposed to win he says every match we are supposed to win because you are a big player who will win if you win office will say why did we recruit you have to win the matches he says our main thing was we are playing now how many matches Indians play 20-25 you tell me how many matches sadly the elite players play lesser less no not elite players play maximum 25 those who are playing playing for India they may be playing maximum 30 those who are playing for the national team may be 30 all others are between 20-25 there are several players who will not do anything after ISL's beast match even if they want to because there is no tournament they may not get fully 90 minutes they may not get all the matches also if you look at and the worst part if you are a professional player you are not allowed to play the Santosh Trophy yeah you are not allowed to play any other tournament then they will play such a stupid rule for someone who has played Santosh Trophy I will tell you clearly if I am playing against any Calcutta or Goa and I know that a guy is playing for DEMPO or a guy is playing for Mohan Bhagan as it is switch on there is a switch on I am playing against a professional player I want to see I want to play or atleast I want to test you how much I have done now you have removed that I don't understand that is the thing I would like to add to Jevdeep as well as Arjun about opposition and opposition inspiring you to play better that is the all premise professional league when we talk about players going outside and playing Indian players wherever they get a chance so that they improve like for instance K3's foreign team as done wonders for him you can see he is still the best Indian striker at mid 30s I mean he is still the fastest he is still scoring goals that way but the point is in the 70s, 80s quality players we had in Delhi we didn't win a medal but I believe I had this discussion with Jevdeep couple of weeks back they had talented team was bringing with talented players very good team we lost the quarter final just one minute before the final whistle we considered a goal against Saudi Arabia otherwise we would have come this time so that's the whole point Saudi, Kuwait, Japan, Korea and all were playing that so I hear quality opponents they were playing and while I understand that the organic level tournaments that happen down south or the federation cup or the duran cup or the rovers cup whatever the matches are but there is this concept and this side no offence to anybody but there is this concept of well you are playing within that well so how do you bring up how do you bring up that play that's where we failed I believe that's the larger failure that happened to Indian football is that we remained there we were playing among each other we had our clubs, we had our department FBI beating Indian overseas back big deal but football was moving somewhere else and we were stuck in that one way true but the system was system was if not faulty it was old no doubt about it but it was working sir no if you want to replace it it went like this if you want to replace it then give an option don't stop play of course of course of course sorry go on let's go on no when we look at the Japanese league or the Korean league Japan started in 92 I believe in Korea in 94 and the Indian national league also started in the mid 90s 95 so we all started together again that league idea came platform for players and all that but where did we fail that that's the problem I am telling you where is the failure that we are looking up that we are looking top down according to me you are talking about during rover a person has come on this show he is the head coach of Bangalore united he spent a lot of time studying the kind of local setups of teams in asia so he did a comparison with japan and what did he say he said what you guys have said academy and badges and coaches and this that this sub is of no use why is japan good he is not even talking about the jelly he is saying japan is good because the guy there from the age of 5 or 7 to the age of 14 is playing possibly 150 odd matches more than the usual indian who is playing over here sir the same thing happened and I am stretching back to the point from when I was in bandra not only the guy they have won a world cup they have won a world cup sir I am saying don't think about the world cup in bandra league it's a very organic again in bandra league every saturday and sunday every season you are getting 25 matches if the kid is 7 or 8 years old he will play 25 matches and he will play in between he will play 30 matches when the kid will come at the age of 14 or 15 he will not be scared of getting in because he is getting in he is playing he is used to it he contacted me I wanted to ask jerry since you are the only one among us who is a young boy in the 70s or a young man in the 80s and you were playing for aithina bengali and I think also did you say only for my college only for my college I said no bengali and zhakeer hoson college zhakeer hoson college zhakeer hoson college I said no bengali but ok so the question was that time grass roots level football what to say like pandeer Singh hyperlocal league was there a change in how these things happened like over the 2 decades let's say 70s to 80s which these small tournaments were happening in kerala in andhra, in Tamil Nadu did these stop happening because of some reason did cricket kind of take over because we see a similar decline happening in hockey as well around the same time maybe a little bit earlier in hockey or well I would say around the same time at least hockey maybe at the world stage football at the asian stage so what is the what is your assessment of what was happening at that time in india and why all this change was happening change came that in 96-97 season when this started nfl started then it was decided that nfl will be a long stretch tournament so what actually happened that all other tournaments see the aff used to give the calendar the calendar they will always prefer only their own tournaments all other tournaments used to get very steep motherly treatment that is one for I am very much I am saying it with my responsibility two things that did aff did one was to give a steep motherly two tournaments to smaller tournaments treatment to smaller tournaments and secondly which was done silently which I cannot give evidence sponsors were discouraged to go to anywhere apart from the main tournaments of the country see that still continues yeah the durant cup was a see durant cup was the top tournament but the every time durant cup will be given a slot it happened at least three or four times in the late 90s and early early part of the century where the tournament will be given a time when the national team is playing in asia cup or somewhere see all clubs will come with depleted sites so some of them will will cry out of the tournament see I remember one durant final when east wing all reached the final and five of their players players Bhomek was the coach I remember five of their players reached from the asia cup on the day of the final see I am not saying they shouldn't play for national team but why do you give them such a slot where teams cannot play with because you are keeping the main slot for your own tournaments see aff became a tournament became a body which is more more they give priorities to their own tournaments because nfl is there by baby we will do that sir first what was aff was only conducting one tournament that is shantosh trafi and maybe maybe the federation cup which is the 15 day tournament and all other tournaments were running on from these state associations or whatever way they were running so aff almost became a competitor to it so what happened smaller tournaments started losing grounds they started losing grounds they were not getting the slot they were looking for maybe traditionally they are holding a tournament in october for the last 40 years maybe they were holding a tournament in october but in october slot nfl is there tournament has been closed because no team is coming so it happened see they were i am not saying it is wrong i am saying the no balance was maintained if you had so i suppose also this the state associations then side by side they allowed this to happen because end of the day the all india football federation is supposed to be composed of representatives from the state association it is not like that is only for saying it does not happen that is only for saying no sir you are talking about the durent when the boy is playing the boy is playing he is already he is already there he is already there but the problem is that the boy is not playing at that stage the one who is playing that is less what is the reason i do not know and if you do the chhanbin then chhanbin can be very social reasons also social economic reasons at that level also if you want to organize a tournament no matter how much money you need small amount of money but then you add it up what i mean to hold people from other places and all of that india's domestic top class domestic footballers since we are talking about the 1970 Asian games team those boys those players who were playing in that team all were playing between 40 to 50 matches now those who represent India do not even play 25 matches not even half of it why whatever the reason be this is not the correct picture of Indian football this is not right football is played in the ground not on paper on press releases fair enough i think we have i do not know if you guys have more to chat about on this subject but i want to kind of move us along for a quick bit newsy point which was yesterday or day before the announcement that 50 years after this last Asian level medal that India has won not just Asian level but last time we have really done anything at the international stage except of course unless you count the SAF games which is another now did India twice reach the final rounds of the Asia Cup after that thrice after that in 1984 2011 and 2019 final tournament but not anywhere close to the not in the knockout not in the knockout only only significant result is 1974 Asian youth championship we were the champions under 20 fair enough so i would like to wind up this bit by just finally taking the names of all the players who made up that squad we will do that real quick and then maybe we can get comments from all of you on India's bid for the 20-27 Asian Cup and what you make of that very quickly siddhanth siddhanth we can also do if you take one player i will quickly say what he is doing now where he is that would be ok sir very good sir very good that's perfect we will start with of course goalkeeper most important number one who played i think every match of the season games mr sampat gk sampat yeah mr sampat it's a it's a it's a very sad he's in a very sad state of affair he's in he's a pension holder from Indian army but he's one leg has amputated because of some disease he's at the moment in Bangalore ok and his his deputy his understudy was bandhya kakade of Maharashtra he is no more he was a fascinating character he grew up around around the cupra stadium selling chocolates and teas and yeah and then he became a goalkeeper he is no more with us defense subhir karmakar of course we've talked about him a bit he is he is there in in rishra some 30 kilometers away from calcutta he is spending a retired life very contented say Naimuddin who is captain of the squad and that's the sad story mr Naimuddin is still there only day for yesterday he was two days back he called up all his friends he is in deep financial trouble at the moment but nobody is there to look after him nobody has so far given him any assistance i believe he lost his wife recently also yeah last month he lost his wife also yeah that's what following up on and perhaps i don't know if yeah as fans and whoever is listening maybe put pressure on your whatever association you have or the AFF to help out the legend who has been coach of the national team as well chandesh par prasad he has passed away and arjun ayawadi he has passed away kalyan sahab kalyan sahab they are in calcutta but not much in touch with football thing he never played a match actually he was there in the squad but didn't get a chance but didn't get a chance altaf ehmad altaf ehmad i am not very sure about he is somewhere in hasrabad i am not in touch with him normal san gupta minimal san gupta has passed away two years back juno san gupta his name he was known as juno juno san gupta and he played a splendid tournament it was perhaps his first or second tournament for india but he played a splendid tournament he has passed away i think he is in dubai he played for maindra a thorough gentleman defenders are really so gentle he was a thorough gentleman i think he is in dubai these days now midfield first is panjabi ajaib Singh who came on a couple of times as a substitute i think but in the third place third place match he played a tremendous game tremendous game he was the actually the find of the tournament for india it was his first tournament and he played as if he is playing his seventh or eighth international tournament i think this goes back to what juno was saying of how how sort of Him. 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