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We're going to introduce Nathan from Star Dive Studios He's actually one of our patreon backers of our $20 tier, which is really why he's on here Interesting enough. I just realized today that you're a dev Really It's not like I know it's not like I went to this deep-seated research with you in the past. No, it's not good. It's not good But yeah His studio at least from what I read on Twitter seems like it looks like a mixed bag of everything games and Yeah, we're trying to do a multimedia multimedia. Thank you. Cool. Cool. Cool. Well. Thank you so much for your support it's always appreciative because it makes the things like this podcast happen every single week and By special request from our fan base believe it or not Bob Wolf from the Wolf Den is here. Hey Hello How are you quite literally I asked you to be on this podcast because I was doing a live stream people like hey You need to get him on your podcast. I'm like, all right. I don't know why that's interesting. That's good I don't know why I thought about it. I haven't thought about that before I watch your stuff all the time I never really thought like what happens if I just ask you Yeah, and then here I am Things happen. I'm glad we can make this work out. We all have busy lives. So yeah, I'm glad to be here Awesome, so we're just gonna rent rent to our first topic. We have three I'm gonna say three point five topics because that fourth topic and turn into a whole bunch of stuff interesting things But the first topic for this week We're gonna be talking about Nintendo of America's policy change That they did this past week with review copies of games in terms of games media a little background on that it was I believe What is it Mario Luigi Superstar saga banner saga whatever it was the remake of the old game that released on 3ds Got leaked weeks ahead of time The full game people were playing it. There was full playthroughs up on YouTube like two weeks before the game came out And Nintendo was able to find out that the leak itself came from a member of the media specifically a video influencer So when people say that they're talking about youtubers So someone I'm assuming part of their brand ambassador program leaked the game And in response to that Nintendo decided that hey, you know what we're just not gonna give review copies out to Several outlets at first it was just like video influencers They were gonna cut out them and then they kind of extended it to almost all of games media now some games media Still get review copies and some don't what makes it interesting is that? GameSpot got a review copy of fire and memorials, but IGN did not really weird And it serves a youtuber is maybe one of the bit that may arguably the biggest Nintendo YouTube channel out there game explain They did not actually get a review copy of the game either their copy came from a friend They have in the media in the UK so it is a UK copy of the game So they were still able to do coverage Albeit they couldn't do coverage of this week because again, they didn't get their own review copy So that's just a little background on that now some outlets game over Jesse actually just told me today That he is going to get a review copy of the game But he's getting it on day of release and this kind of goes into Something that was reported that Nintendo in their policy has changed it to a tiered system And it's really interesting when they say in their policy They change it to a tiered system because I've been getting review copies from Nintendo back in the day when I worked It's all the informer and they were using a tiered system then so I don't actually think that's new Maybe it's new for youtubers. Well, what is the tiered system? So how the tiered system works is essentially they have three batches that they send games on it So you want to be in tier one because you're ones like you get the game two three weeks ahead of time And then there's tier two they get it about a week out and then tier three is day of release or after And then if you're any tier after that, you're just not getting the game Usually it's like whoever left over copies we have if we have one left over And all of this is handled by Golan Harris, which is their their PR company Well, you know what they say everything old is new again So that definitely could be you know, people haven't heard about the tiered system All of a sudden it's new again. Well, the tier system like when I did I've actually been in different tiers over the years at Zelda Informer. We uh, I Guess we don't really talked about it publicly because it's not really something you talk about publicly like You know, you don't want to be one of those I guess one of those assholes out there. That's like, hey So I only got my review copy the day before the game came out like like we're gonna complain about getting a free copy of the game or something Yeah, yeah, so it's not like it's something you really talk about but when it gets to this extreme to the point that IGN can't even get a copy of the game even though they're not the source of the leak is This is intense like this Nintendo of America This is only Nintendo of America by the way, if you're a Nintendo of Europe or UK Australia, Japan You are not under this policy This is just Nintendo America which is opposite because it's the source of the leak and it should be noted that 3ds games have been leaking Pretty much since the release of the 3ds. I know Some people should know about this one the big game that leaked last year was Pokemon Sony moon I think it was actually just Pokemon moon specifically that leaked So I remember once I oh should go down with this Rahm I'm like no because that means a media member dumped it like that's not good No, that's gonna hurt us I was surprised something didn't happen back then because I like Pokemon's a lot bigger than a remake of a game They released on DS or Gameboy Advance. I think it was alright, so That kind of goes over over the history. I'm not gonna cover exactly my history with NDAs yet I just want to first get your guys's thoughts on This whole fiasco me. Do you have you guys ever gotten review copies before of anything or what are your thoughts? I have I have never gotten anything from Nintendo. I just signed for up for their for their Program, I think I sent them an email at the end of September still haven't heard back for them So this doesn't look good for me, but I didn't hear about this actually until I watched your video on it That told me everything about it. Awesome So that I could inform you. Yeah, so this I mean this sucks obviously, but Again, I haven't gotten anything from them. I barely get anything from anybody. I'll I'll get a Randomly get like indie games and stuff. The biggest thing I've ever gotten was last week My MCN sent us Shadow of war and it was a week after it. It was a week after it came out I mean it's a free copy of a game. Yeah I'm grateful. It's all great. Everything's great, but I mean I want some Nintendo stuff. Give me some friggin Nintendo stuff Yeah, right, right. Yeah, no, we signed up for the ambassador program not back in September. We did it about a month ago Now to be clear because I have a history of talking to like their PR company in the past. I actually Directly contacted someone I knew other PR companies that hey, that's how you want to become a brand ambassador like You know, you guys have a history with me. I've done all the stuff it's all the informer. I'm doing my own thing now Now I'm on YouTube. I know youtubers way smaller than me that are in your program Not any insults to them, but like I have a bigger audience You know, can we do something here because I have some things I want to do with games or free release content Now the thing is that's another one again, too It's just like everything you can do with you know with with the review copies people just think of the reviews Be like, oh, well you can't do a review Like there's a lot of stuff that you could do if you have a copy of the game that's beneficial to you and your audience Yeah, I currently don't review games period because it takes way too long and also you You need to have the game way early or else it's just not relevant anymore by the time you get a review out Exactly and that's why like when game over Jesse messes with me all happy is getting fire on the mortars I might I would be happy about getting it too, but The chance of me making pre-release content's gone Yeah, yeah, I was actually I was actually in the conversation when that happened and I actually spoke up about that because He seems so excited about getting this copy the day of release and I was like well that kind of defeats the purpose of a review Right. I mean review is supposed to drive sales to the product. Yeah, right. Yeah at that point I don't think it's a For youtubers I can see whether they're still a point, you know I'm a youtuber I can understand still getting a game like the day of release because there's things you could do that Maybe you wouldn't do otherwise because maybe you went to bought the game So if you weren't gonna buy fire in the morning or something that gave it to you now Maybe you'll do a day one live stream Maybe you'll do like an impression video on it or a conversation about it Then maybe you wouldn't have done otherwise because maybe you want to bought that game because I mean let's be honest The switch has a ton of games coming out from like, you know the release of fire and memorials all the way through the rest of this year Yeah, like every week has a major game. In fact, there's a period in November where there's like three huge games coming out in nine days Which I mean it just happens welcome to pack. Yeah, it's just the holidays Yeah, but like Nintendo's never had a holiday like that since like the SNES There's all third-party games and like that just doesn't happen we're not used to that but Yeah, you know speaking as someone who's gotten review copies, you know, literally before the games came out Just Zelda games. Although I did get a copy of Epic Mickey the first one. Oh, I don't know why the heck I got a copy of that at Zelda Informer They just I said do you want that? Yeah, they just said you want one and I said yes And I never did anything. I just played it because it's not topical I can't cover it at Zelda Informer and I didn't have another site then but So when I've gotten Nintendo stuff in the past The ambassador's program has its own thing to like once you get in like you have to sign like this agreement And then each individual game has its own NDA, which is a non-disclosure agreement And it basically gives you a list of rules. Obviously like the normal and rule is don't leak a game right, I mean that should just go without saying but and There's other little rules in that they'll say they'll give you the day like your preview can go up at this time your review can go up at This time in your preview. You can only talk up to this part of the game In your review, you can pretty much talk about anything you want But like it'll say like you can't talk about like the final level or the final boss Like you can write you could talk about it You can't like they basically have a certain point where they don't want you to spoil certain things So it's not like they're trying to hold you back to just being like hey when your review hits Since you're doing an early review now, if you decide to wait till your review till day one You can say whatever you want But this is only if you want to release it before day one because there are some all that said like They'll be able to reset 10 days early if they want, but they'll wait till day one because then they don't have those restrictions You're reminding me about I I got Mass Effect Andromeda through shoddy cast And They had a bunch of restrictions on on their NDA They said we couldn't you know We had to do up until we on like the 13th You can do up until the first world on the on the 15th you can do up until the second world But then about a week before the game came out all that stuff started to come out about all the bad animations So that so they emailed everybody like all NDA's lifted put whatever you want up They went into like like disaster someone's gonna have something positive to override. Yeah That happens Like that in terms of like if something leaks and gets out it is what it is They make you so they usually don't have a they usually don't have a big PR problem. Yeah big PR issue Like other things like I've experienced in NDA is like you can live stream two hours of total content before x day You can you can't live stream again like past a certain point or like they'll say in your live stream if you could Please cut out cut scenes. Please do it and it's a live stream I thought I always thought it was really weird. They're like when I don't know when the cut scenes are coming How much and it's a live stream. I mean I can cut out the game feed I guess but I'm playing the game It's called why I think that was back when Nintendo Nintendo's been a lot better I've heard recently, but I think I was back when they didn't understand YouTube very well or live streams Like no, you just need to say hey look You can't go like for Mario Odyssey. Like you can't go to this world, right? You can only do a new city or something. Do we know what the Mario Odyssey like NDA is no We do not we have no people just got theirs today. I think yeah, some people did yeah Not very many but some that first that first tier Hopefully I mean I hate say this because I don't really don't care about IGN that much But hopefully like the biggest gaming site in the world got Mario Odyssey. They didn't get fire emblem So I don't know But yeah, that's just those kind of restrictions. I always thought the weirdest restrictions were like you could show 30 seconds of footage Or like you can show six minutes of total footage in 30 seconds segments. I'm like Just just say six minutes of footage I could technically like how you can get around those record 30 seconds Or you just record six minutes and then every 30 seconds just cut out a couple seconds And just put it all back together again I didn't really understand some of that stuff and it's all that informer we would use that for things like oh We do the things people hate like oh here here's a look at the boss in the third dungeon Like they're like, oh, I don't want to see that. Well, we'll don't look. Yeah, don't watch. Yeah, they don't look I always hate I always hate when there's videos showing all the bosses. I'm like you don't have to watch right Some people aren't gonna get the game and don't care some people don't care anyways like in Mario spoiler Bowser's the final boss wait what yeah I get a lot of I get a lot of crap because one of my thumbnails has super Sonic in it from Sonic Mania Like that hasn't been around for like over 20 years. Yeah, right What are you smiling exactly? Congrats, you just discovered a version of Sonic that's been around for most of my life. Yeah So any ace are just really weird in that the Nintendo's at least I haven't seen other companies because like the epic Mickey one there was hardly any restrictions You could basically show everything but like the final stage and do whatever you want And I'm like, that's awesome too bad. I run a Zelda website And I actually like the first epic Mickey the second one not so much but I wish Nintendo Prime was the thing back then I would have been awesome But so let's discuss like some of the things that we like if if we had you know, obviously Bob over there. You do have a YouTube channel Let's say Eric had a YouTube channel and or even like we ran like big video game with medium site media sites What are some some ideas that you would do if review copies besides just review the game because Obviously, like that's the big thing is reviews are still gonna happen. Some are gonna get rushed or there's gonna be less of them But what are other ways that you think just like people not getting review copies? How does that affect like pre-release coverage? I Typically I don't review games But typically what I do is I pick an angle like why is it good or why is it bad or if there's a certain mechanic that Sticks out like is Mario rolling down the hill? Does it break the game? I don't know something stupid like that. Sure I guess in the case of Mario Odyssey you can do How many different types of things can you turn into can you capture in the game? You know stuff like that or like an overview of a specific world Game explain does a lot of that stuff. I think yeah, they do that That's why they they got themselves hooked up or fire in the warriors from the UK Cuz it's like the first time they haven't gotten a game in a long time. Yeah, and that's that that's their shtick It's an interesting angle on that too because you know showing off the longevity of the game It's one of the things that I was gonna say You know really showing how you can get your money's worth being able to you know to kind of What are some of the things that I can do with the game that maybe the developer didn't intend? But are still fun, you know, nonetheless and kind of helping helping me get the most out of You know how much I've paid for the game So I think also, you know, he had a you know a great point as to being able to you know More value out of the game than maybe the developers even intended to put in there in the first place Yeah, I mean I think back to like breath of the wild A lot of the pre-release coverage we saw back then now some people argued it was too much But a lot of the too much was from Nintendo themselves. I'd argue They themselves kind of went overboard But what you saw from media at least what I saw because I was covering it back then it's all the informer still it was It was just a lot of like look at this really cool thing you can do with the physics engine that you didn't know And that's the kind of like so how many people like when E3 happened back in 2016 got sold on the game The minute someone catapulted themselves up in the air Yeah, it's just wait you can do that. Yeah, why would you do that? Then you're like, oh wait, you could you could take out your bow up there and start sniping like what? This is where I feel like it hurts the most I don't actually think it hurts so much in the review aspect Although I understand for outlets that really really like I'm on all of them relies on reviews We've reviewed one game ever at Nintendo Prime So I'm someone that relies on reviews and I don't do a lot of pre-release coverage of games because I don't get them But like when we went I went to E3 a couple years ago And when I whenever I do get a chance to go hands-on with the game I've discovered that a lot of our viewers and a lot of I think gaming fans in general They just want to see Whoever they follow whatever outlet it is they want to see their perspective on their experience with a game that those people don't get to play yet people are always looking for information and Information doesn't always have to come in the form of a final verdict It can come in the form of just showing off cool things you can do in the world or if it is impressions I mean, yeah, if it is broken showing that yeah, you know just like when a bunch of the Back when I remember Assassin's Creed unity came out and all the PC bugs It's important to see that stuff before people spend $60 on their game As much as you know, I'm sure Ubisoft wishes they didn't show that stuff fix your game I actually have an interesting story about unity that I that I had read Some of the reviewers when unity came out and was having all those issues with like frame rates and stuff like that I was reading that Someone who had a review copy actually figured out if you unplugged the network cable from the back of whatever console you were playing It on at the time it wouldn't connect to their online service and start lagging your game out and That was one of the things that I Seen kind of on release of that game as well that people were saying that actually works It sucks that you have to do that, but it is a workaround Yeah, that's that's really interesting I think it's just interesting in general like I think about myself, right? I've reported on news and everything so I'm always out there looking for news And some of my favorite news to cover is pre-release game coverage from places like game explain or You know Nintendo everything or IGN or GameSpot or wherever Kotaku All these different all they say they get the games early because they teach you something about the game That that's really relevant like when we heard things like oh, there's gonna be all almost or almost as many moons in Super Mario Odyssey as there are corex seeds and Breath of the Wild What does that tell you? I there's just a crap load of moons. Yeah Yeah But it's a really interesting fact when people might be worried about have the levels look simple Maybe there's not enough things to collect. Well, okay. There's like 900 things to collect Right. This is a game of collection All this pre-release coverage does is if you are confident in how good your game is It's going to help you sell your game even without a review Right even like what what the two hour live stream the two hour live stream could be huge because you're gonna get a ton of people turning in to see a game Directly streamed that they haven't seen or can't play themselves And it's someone besides Nintendo playing it because when Nintendo plays it, you know Or any developer plays it you think oh, it could be canned. It could be you know prescripted You know, are they actually playing it? In some cases you could tell I think with the Treehouse there in E3 It's really shown that yeah, they're playing it because some of them aren't very good at games But that's okay that I mean the translators are not necessarily that are to be good at games Right. Yeah, I'm not one of those people that think oh, you got to get good or you can't talk about games I gotta get out of here. Get out of here with this stuff But outside I will say it was a little that that Cuphead guy That was that was insane that in the doom. I think I was like a year ago the tomb. Yeah I'm like it's one of the polygon, right? No, the the Cuphead guy was Wall Street Journal actually it was the Takahashi It's always reporting all the Nintendo financial stuff from their meetings. No wonder Wall Street channel hates youtubers I thought we're small enough they won't come after us. We're not we're not PewDiePie over here. Yeah Man, but yeah, it's it's just really interesting. I think That's what that's what hurts me even as just a consumer I like getting all this information And that's one way I actually want to expand my channel when I applied for the ambassador program I did it knowing that I wanted to do game reviews Or at least have like a conversation We do a podcast here. It would be great the podcast before a game comes out Let's talk about it. Eric and I sat down played the review copy at the center prime Maybe find some other people like if you know Bob over there got approved for review copies Try to get him on the podcast and let's have a conversation about you know Obviously, we have to know like we can't talk about this this but you know what what we can talk about let's talk about it And I feel like that's one thing I find myself enjoying a lot is when I when I hear the kind of funnies of the world They're the easy allies out there Or all these gaming podcasts is when they give like those previews the weekly game comes out It's interesting because usually at least it feels like they're being honest Right because no critique games as well if they'll say, oh, yeah, it's a great game There's like this thing. I don't like about it like I'm waiting for someone to come out and say they don't like the motion controls and super odyssey It's gonna happen. Someone's gonna hate it. Yeah They're they're optional though. Yeah, they are optional, but everyone's I know they're not like when I play the demo I'm like you get 10 minutes rushed at a demo. Let's it's a demo Let's let's be honest here. You didn't sit down and literally go through every possible setting I played it for like 10 minutes and I played it in portable mode. So yeah, the thing the joy cons were on there Yeah, they'll say they're not gonna make it where you have to take the joy cons off. Yeah, and I um, I remember when I first got When I first got the skyward sword the motion controls for that. I hate it at first Until I actually got in and really got decent with you know The hand motions and one of the things that really upset me was trying to be able to do the spin move You know, we have to like swing both, you know, both of them out That like really irked me and there were some places in the game where you had to do that And I just that was one of the things that really frustrated me about that and I mean I'm a huge huge Zelda fan So I Persevered, you know, but um if if if it was any other game I think I would have put it down for at least a couple hours totally it's I Guess what I'm frustrated with is that in this policy obviously negatively impacts my Very slim chance that I had any ways of getting in the program or Bob's chance or anyone who's not already in the program Right and also and for those of you talking about there's a Nintendo ambassador's program We talked a little bit about applying to it before and how I went through going Harris and how he applied back in September It's just a program where they give you games early. That's really all they do. They even know it specifically when you apply I don't know if they did to you they did to me. They're like just so you know, this does not whitelist you Yeah, they're for the for their Program or whatever creators program. Yeah. Yeah, and that's a big thing But we have to deal with the creators program all the time Not so much in that we use it, but how can we circumvent it? Yeah, yeah, I don't post like let's plays or a lot of gameplay stuff So yeah, and I do post a lot of gameplay stuff, but I found thank you MCN They're the ones that taught me how to use Nintendo footage without getting busted. Well, I'll please tell me We're now managed partners so But yeah, I would have how far we can take that Well, the biggest the biggest thing is you can't have the game audio plane That that's gonna get a flagged every time that that and most of our videos. That's out the window anyway Yeah, yeah, the live stream is what is what kills me. Yeah live streams. They claim they claim every live stream I don't care about life, you know, we don't get a lot of post-view views on live stream Yeah, I leave it all unlisted anyway. Yeah, so I'm I don't care about my life She's getting clean, but yeah, there's that and then there's one other thing that I'm not gonna So people don't oh tell me I want to do it. I want to do it like I Want to be careful because I just applied for the ambassador. That's a good idea I don't want to let Nintendo know all the tricks that we're using. I only really got got nabbed once when I It was it was a commercial it was from the trailer of Mario maker 3d yet some reason that got flagged Oh, I can I can tell you this you absolutely just the video footage. It wasn't even you absolutely cannot use trailers Can't touch them. That's all I do. It's all I do is you show. Yeah. Yeah, that's what sucks You literally cannot touch trailers Well, what I try to do And it's really not a game explains really nice about if you talk to them they'll like let you use their footage And it sucks because like when you're talking about trailers because you talk about a lot of trailers It really sucks not being able to show a Nintendo trailer without getting claimed It sucks. It's a that's my normal gripe And I even told that in a complaint. I sent to Golan Harris their PR company last year I was like, hey, you know, I don't care if you want to claim gameplay and everything but like really your trailers Yeah, that's right. Come on man. Like not even movies do that make Come on If people are showing your trailer, it's helping you right mentally, right? That that always bothered me because that's the reason I can't show trailers cuz I'm like, oh, I Want to talk about this new trailer. I could talk about what's in the trailer I could show you screenshots from the trailer I can understand, you know, not making not being able to make money off of it But not being able to show it period or well, it's usually the money They'll usually let you keep the video up. Yeah But what sucks about it is like say like Bob, like he they'll show you said they show like a 10-second clip They're like our long live stream or video gone for monetization and that's always been the argument with them It's not so much and there was basically fair use, you know, what's what's fair use and what's not fair use, right? And showing like a clip of a trailer with no audio, so you're not you're not using any copyrighted music or sound effects And you're just like literally discussing the trailer If you put it on any other platform, but YouTube you're fine Literally you can put it anywhere else and Nintendo doesn't care But only on YouTube and the only reason they care on YouTube is because there's an automated system to claim it So Nintendo doesn't do any work, basically. Yeah, I can actually I Can actually give you some insight as into why the whole audio thing it's as someone who knows how to write artificial intelligence It's much easier to match audio than it is video Especially on the processing side. I mean think about how many how many things that the bot actually has to go through Per day, you know what I mean and to match all of that video with open CV and trying to match pixels You know when some of these videos go up to you know 4k and you know 60 frames per second That's a lot of video to try and match So that's really the big thing on that is it's it's easier to to To match audio. Yeah, and that's one of the big things my MC I told me even when I'm using like game footage. I record like the audio the audio the audio There's nothing you can do about it. Even if it's just like link going. Hi. Yeah, they're gonna you're done Right. Yeah, but that's fine because a lot of my videos are Are either me on camera talking or you know voiceover video or you know I'm on camera that I cut that I cut away to some gameplay, but I'm still talking so it's not a big deal to me It sucks like when I want to be like, oh, I want to talk about this game's music If you guys ever wonder why I don't get to talk about Nintendo's music It's because I feel like if you're gonna talk about the music I should let you be able to listen to some of it. All right, and I can't I can give you a fan remix version But it's not the music I'm talking So No, they claim not even that. No, it's like instant Yeah, it's bad and it's just as bad with the trailer for I don't know how they pull it off with the trailer footage Cuz I remember last year when angry Joe went on his huge rant about Nintendo claiming a claim in a video He was trying to cover something from the Nintendo Direct It's like a reaction video or something and he took he took the Nintendo Direct. He Inversed it. He blurred it. He made it black. Oh, I remember this and he like shrunk it down He did all this stuff to it. We're basically if you just look at the video, there's no way You can eat that that like a Nintendo person look at it would even know it glances that it's the Nintendo Direct footage But he um, but it no matter what he did to it. It kept getting claimed. Yeah, he even flipped it upside down Yeah, but I can I can tell you how that works, too it's easier if you have a subset of Something specific that you're looking for because I mean yeah a trailer is a trailer is something very specific It's something it's a whole it's a set of images basically that turn, you know that turn into a video and the way that that happens is as they're only looking for that subset of of images whereas a Game is vast and huge and you could go anywhere You could be doing anything at any one point in time and it's hard to match that but you can match a trailer really easily because it's it's Something very specific Yeah, and the thing is I don't have now that I know some of the tricks to use like gameplay footage My issue is no longer Nintendo. It's YouTube. Yeah, you know YouTube like yesterday we did six videos, which is insane. I never do six videos ever but I felt generous I guess I Just I just got I kind of got in a roll sometimes you get on a roll and you just get a bunch of content done And some of it was news so it wasn't like oh, I could just wait to talk about this tomorrow No So you get all the videos out and then everything's going good. I'm actually getting some good views on the stuff Wake up today. All six videos are I am and I can go request. I'm like Really? Really literally every time they've done this to my channel and I request a manual review they approve it They have not demonetized one video and kept it demonetized. I thought that bot thing they used to do that it's supposed to learn when they figure out on my channel by now that It's been like six months and none of my videos violate Well, it was a demonetized wasn't marked not suitable for most not suitable not suitable for most Yeah, we got hit with that like two weeks ago or no like a month ago every one of our videos that we upload would get Let me rest it and then they take it down Let me let me give you some insight on that too. Yes when you're when you're working with data sets Like I said, I know how to write artificial intelligence. I do it at work. We match data That comes in from car manufacturers. That's kind of what I do at work is business software for car manufacturers And when you're when you're doing that you can't kind of train on the fly You have to get real data in and then you have to run it in bulk So essentially what they have to do is they have to get all this data in and then they have to run tests against it Because basically the way artificial intelligence learning works is basically it will predict So you give it the input parameters and then you give it the result and then it tries to predict until it gets to the actual result and Then it gets smarter because it knows what path it took based on the input parameters how to get to that result and then essentially they have to run that several times in different layers with different slightly different input parameters to find what input parameters work best to Get that expected result. So essentially what they're doing is they're running big sets of this data through it They may not even be to your channel yet in the learning process of the bot The problem is that while the bots learning it's killing channels. Yeah, and a problem. Yeah, I know I completely understand that I'm just giving you like, you know, I think I think one way. I don't know if YouTube can But the problem is is that when they say, you know, not suitable for ads are not running ads at all It would be interesting if They're not gonna do it because it's gonna cost them too much money, but if like say you dispute a claim, right and You win and that video's got you know, 10,000 12,000 views or whatever that never got monetized or only got YouTube read money It would be it would be nice if YouTube would just be like or Google in this case. Well, hey, look, sorry We didn't mean to flag it we're gonna give you a standard rate on those views of like $2 per Yeah, use or whatever and that would also that would actually make people not be as upset as okay We'll give you time to learn because we're still gonna get a kickback Maybe we're not getting the $5 or $8 CPM that we might get at times Especially if you're right MCN that helps you get higher CPMs, but it's still the least getting something back You're not just losing basically a majority of your revenue Might come from somewhere though. Yeah, so what sucks is because they don't actually run any ads at all Yeah, that's what kind of sucks about it is I'm kind of surprised that you know They don't run the ads and then kind of you know use some of that money as backpaid It's tough because the whole reason they started this is because ad companies We're gonna pull out of you to have and like the six major ad companies. We're gonna pull out And YouTube's like whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait, so this was like a knee-jerk reaction And I think that's what sucks about this AI and even as you were explaining and I'm like that's all fine I think if they would have planned to create this AI over the last couple of years Instead of having to rush it out the door They might be better as well and I know like I don't think the data sets are Personally, I don't think their data sets are ever gonna learn by individual channels because There's too many channels. Yeah, they may it may not even be programmed to do that I mean, it's gonna do it based on like trigger words in the title trigger Yeah, and the tags trigger words in the description because that's what I've heard like a lot of people a lot of times It's the the words it is. Yes, and it you know because they're trying not they don't want ads on anything That's not I'm not gonna say they don't want ads on drama, but they don't want ads on like political drama They don't want ads on Any sort of tragedy thing they don't want ads on anything that sounds like your family family You gotta be family. Yeah, you gotta be pretty close to family friendly You don't have to be entirely but you gotta be pretty close, you know, like there are people that swear and get ads But yeah, I think the people that swear and get ads are getting it through their MCN Yeah Who like cuz like I'm part of BB TV like they straight up told me was something like hey look, you know like We sell ads too So like just yeah, it's not monetizing your stuff like monetizing your stuff So, yeah, but but they do it through YouTube. Yeah, we're selling an ad they do it through YouTube and a lot of times Yeah, I hate MCNs. I absolutely hate them But because they'll say that they'll say that they're selling ads for you And they're not they'll say maybe we're we'll sell some ads Maybe they leave it like really open-ended because they don't do it for you They do it for the PewDiePie's and yeah, the nice stats, you know, or they try to sell them in bulk Yeah, so it's like I I got a lot of opinions at all. Oh, yeah No, I understand like for me the only is nicest since I joined the MCN my CPM like my average CPM has gone up That happened to me. The only reason I'm not making more money is because more of my videos get clean Right that happened to me, but I don't know if it's necessarily the MCN Yeah, I know it's probably more likely that it's just the time of the year where the CPM goes Yeah, it could it could be there's so many factors, but my MCN made me a managed partner. That's like the best. Yeah, that's nice That that is nice It there's just a lot of things that go into what what's happening with with Nintendo America's policies and the ability of YouTubers to Make money a lot of you author I've even seen replies to this You know on that video I made people are like well who cares be like everyone else and just buy your games I do We've never we've never ever gotten a review copy at Nintendo Prime. Yeah, so like before years I've been buying games. I'm like, I'm not I've been buying games for 30 years of my life I yeah, it's not like this is new to me. Okay. I've spent probably more money on video games than Then I care to and yeah And like I I'm looking at the you know, the itinerary here And and I know we're gonna talk about this a little bit later, but I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of bring this up a little bit I mean a lot of games generally release in bulks and you know during certain times of the year Yeah, and That's a lot of money to drop all at once It is you know and you can't you can't expect to cover everything Unless you're you know doing some side business that's making you you know massive amounts of money or your day job is making massive amounts of money, I mean I make pretty good money and I mean there's a lot of things on this list that you know I plan on picking up, but I'm not gonna be able to pick up at launch Yeah, it's it's less about the money for me and more about the time like I'm not gonna have the time to play And and talk about every single one of these things that's coming up. Yeah that that's why I actually want review copies Because it affords me time Yeah, when you get copies like two three weeks ahead of time and like I said We got three games for Nintendo switch coming out that are triple-a games and a three-day span next month The granite Nintendo doesn't handle the distribution of that so I could technically contact those people and try to get a copy I Don't know how we're sipping of that. Maybe they will be because they want to sell it on switch. I don't know but Even then you get weeks with it instead of three games nine days Cover it all. Yeah. Yeah, whereas if I had three games, but I had three weeks, it's different I could spend a week with each game I get acclimated make sure the conversations are worthwhile because What I think what a lot of fans went when they when they say things like that, you know, like They'll buy the games yourself or get a real job or this or that It's one of those things we where some people just have this illusion that everything in life is free And that our time is free and I get that attitude like like we have a stretch goal for on our patreon to do game reviews and Some people like oh, I don't agree with having Reviews held behind that you should just do it for free do it for that I'm like the one review we did the reason I didn't continue to do reviews after it Is it took me a hundred and fifty hours to make that review? Yeah, it's like people only see the end product They don't see all the work that went into it. Yeah, they're like, well I spend 150 hours playing the game. I'm like, that's great I might have spent 150 hours playing that game to over the course of the next year. Yeah There's that you crush it into like a week But also, you know all the time you spent actually making the frickin video Yeah, don't don't clear all the editing especially since you have to do editing sometimes to get around you know Nintendo they don't include the script writing that the various takes you had to do You know, maybe some proof editing you may have had another editor look at to make sure there were no mistakes A lot a lot of people see this like you too big and they say oh my god It's so easy. I don't understand why you people want so much money if it's so easy then go do it and start it yourself Yeah, they will because I've had a lot of people come up to me and they're like man I make content. I think it's better than yours. Why do you give yours? And I don't I'm like, well I mean everyone thinks our content is great or at least a lot of people do And I'm like, I can't tell you specifically why you don't give yours because I'd have to go through this whole Analysis what you're doing and not I'm like, I don't have time for that. I barely could keep up with my own stuff A lot of people also don't want to change what they're doing to meet like the wider audience or something People are watching this because you're covering an old game or something. They'll go. Oh, but I want that's my thing Okay, well your thing's not gonna work. I'm sorry Yeah, can I can I kind of give you the perspective of outside looking in there someone who absolutely has done YouTube Videos, but like not really attempted to go too big. Yeah From the outside looking in it's exactly as he says it's they see the end product and A lot of people look at that and go well I can make a video and then they make a video and they put it out on YouTube and then they're wondering why it's not getting Any hits and that's all they've done. They haven't advertised it on Facebook or they haven't advertised it on Google plus or Through Twitter, you know, they're not going out there and trying to bring people in from external sources they're just Expecting that they put it out there with the title of Legend to sell the breath of the wild and they expect that people are gonna find it and watch it and enjoy it And I mean, maybe their content is legitimately good Without the extra work, you're not gonna get the views. Yeah, and there's the things to consider like keywords and tags in your description You know, there's a social media outreach This is the nice thing about YouTube and this is why actually while I was surprised that Bob over there was willing to get on the podcast It was only a surprise because we had never talked before That that's you know, but but this is the nice thing about YouTube is we're all willing to like work together. Yeah It helps it helps everybody and that's a way and that's the thing like so we don't think like the time you spend Getting that extra exposure going on other people's channels to do things like Bob. He's over here he's gonna get some extra exposure to our fans and You know that that takes time out of his hopefully drives the people over there, too Yeah, I mean Yeah, we put up social media, you know you retweet you do this and that Um, but but it's it goes beyond that like a lot of my friends that they have since, you know They're always like, oh, it's stupid every week You like take a day off and you just sit in your corner and make your stupid videos because I used to do it to Nobody, yeah, right, but then then went to start to gain traction. They're like, how do I do that? I want to do that and then yeah videos and then like why is nobody watching my videos And I was like the same reason nobody watched my videos three years ago Yeah, you know you'll learn there's a lot of things to learn, you know, or people or a lot of people will say How do I get big on YouTube or how do I get to where you are not big? But how do I get to where you and I'll say I don't know make 700 videos Yeah, I mean like my channel my channel's been around for eight years. There's over a thousand Over a thousand videos on it now. See that's what you got to do start eight years ago And put a thousand videos. Well, it was weird because this channel itself used to be the zeldinformer youtube channel But the thing is it's basically been my youtube channel because I was the one running zeldinformer for eight years So like I was the only one putting content out on this channel the only reason I don't even know how we got to a thousand videos. I mean when you think about that sounds like a lot But then over eight years it's really not too bad Um, but zeldinformer was always inconsistent because my focus was always let's grow the website I was a traditional media guy. Let's grow the website. Let's grow the website We basically had a youtube channel just because we needed what we wanted to make sure we locked up the username Um, and so we'd release a few videos like we'd have some gameplay clips or a walkthrough or something Um, but we were never consistent with anything Uh, as I found out this year after some negotiations with the current owner of zeldinformer to get a hold of this channel Um, because I was really like dude like this is my channel I built this over eight years. Um, I know that most of the audience is probably not no longer paying attention At the time But when I took it over and then became the center prime we've gained like 10 000 subs over the past, you know four months Um, which I'm very happy with I I did not expect that and I've learned a lot And the thing to learn about this stuff when people are trying to start out and why like even now Why I'm frustrated like with these policies um Is that I found something that's working that is resonating with people And some of it is like yourself when people think making youtube videos is easy One you have to have a personality that people like Um, whether you can be yourself I mean, I mean the thing is you want to watch it. Yeah Yeah, if people go watch and hate some people like to watch the hate that happens Probably we'll gain a lot of subs, but you'll gain a lot of views just so people can yell at you Um, or maybe both. I don't know It seems to be what happens with PewDiePie's videos all the time Um Yeah, of course, he's in a different stratosphere 57 million or whatever. Yeah, nobody could touch him He's untouchable It feels weird saying that I mean the only people that could touch him is youtube And they don't seem to be too keen. I've shut them down. So yeah, um, well, they kind of did I mean they they they definitely knocked him down a few pegs. I mean they took they took away his youtube red show Um, I don't think that's knocking him down because they gave him the money for yeah Yeah, they're gonna give him any more exposure because it's only going on his own youtube channel Yeah That that thing the only the only thing that sucked for him out of that deal is that there just wasn't going to be a season three Uh for him personally, he still got all the money because he didn't Well, people who know about those youtube red shows is that the people that are on it get paid ahead of time They're not paid for how many views it gets Right. So youtube takes all that money from the views So PewDiePie got all his money for that season like apparently it was in the contract no matter what happens Like he gets the money. I and he'll well Beats you over the head with it like yeah, they cancelled it, but I got paid anyways Well, I mean it just it sucks that you know for him. I mean personally, I didn't watch the show I am a youtube red subscriber. I do have youtube red nines or youtube red I watched an episode of the first season and it was not very good. No, I like PewDiePie. I like him But that was not a good show. I'm not a big PewDiePie fan personally. Um, you know, I subscribe for things like Matpass game lab and that sort of thing And I really hope Going out to youtube here that they are giving the youtube red money like they say they are Because you know, that's a large part of the reason why I did get youtube red is to make sure that you know With the adpocalypse and stuff people are are getting paid for my views and I mean that helps not it definitely helps YouTube reviews count way more youtube reviews do not uh, no no matter what they do in your video You basically always youtube red Which is which is good. I mean because I mean you guys deserve it Um, and and for those of you out there who are thinking about getting google red or youtube red Get youtube red. It's it's actually really good a lot of the shows on there. Yeah, it is cheap Um, if you're a youtube power user, it's definitely worth it. You got the oh, yeah On mobile you can download videos and you can you know at the back of your head green off Yeah, and and I mean there's always the ad free which is the best part And you're supporting every creator that you will enjoy that and you get google play music for free. Yes So get rid of you know, the one thing I really dislike about the google The because I pay for Spotify the family plan Yeah And the one thing I dislike about the google thing. Um the google music is you you can only listen on one device at a time Yeah, and that even goes to youtube videos because I was sitting here listening to some truvium Which is my favorite band. Um, and my dad who? Is using my laptop, you know, and he um was listening to something else and you know, and it cut me off And I was like, yeah, can I just watch this non youtube red man? I just I just want to listen Yeah, I hate that that is one thing that I need to improve and read to red It actually annoyed me about netflix back in the day when like you could only have two simultaneous viewers I'm like, I think youtube tv there They have like family plans and stuff. Yeah, maybe um But yeah, you know, just people like If you go on to get started on youtube, it's hard There's no easy path. There's no right answer. You gotta be comfortable talking to nobody for a long time You do you got to be comfortable talking to nobody and you can't be afraid to do things like contact other youtubers I'll give you an example here because like I my channel is like half the size of wolf dens over there Um, but I can give you even better example of like contacting other youtubers and working with them and helping them out Uh, the nintendo guru He was on our podcast last week. He's only got a thousand followers Um, he's creating live content. He's a live content creator every day Um, obviously he's doing this in a spare time. You know, he's not making a living off a thousand followers um but he uh Literally, I was just suggested. Hey, why don't you talk to this guy and see uh, if he's a good fit for your podcast So I went and I looked at some of his content. I'm like, this guy's got really good content I got no problem. Put him on the podcast. I think it's not really about the number. Sometimes sometimes It's just something interesting to say. I said, um, again, is there, you know When people you think is when you do this You could think about the promotion aspect. See the thing is um I reached out to the nintendo guru and asked him which you know A lot of times larger channels might not be looking at the smaller ones But when you're a small channel, it don't be afraid to even like say you have 10 followers And you're looking at a channel of 5 000. Don't be afraid to like contact them. Hey Can we do something together? I'll be honest. I don't I never talked to anybody What? That's not good. That's not good at all. But I I never talked to anybody And but that's okay. But I kind of think I need to fix. Yeah. Well, I contacted you and you were cool with it It's like sometimes. Absolutely. You just can't be afraid to get your name out there Well, the worst that happens is they say no, and then you're right back in the same spot Yeah, it's not exactly. Yeah. I mean basically as long as you are creating what content that you're proud of I wouldn't I'd say don't be afraid to contact anyone. The only thing I will say um, is if you're someone who is Say I'm trying to think about this say the only microphone you have is really crappy and it's always cracking all the time Yeah, you got you got to make good content. Yeah, you got to make good content That's the thing if you think that's good contact and it's something that hurts people's ears I can tell you like if the nintendo guru he could have the best content in the world But if his audio was really really bad, I wouldn't have asked him on the podcast. I don't want to hurt I don't want to hurt you guys ears Yeah, there's some people that I really really enjoy the content that they make but I can't stand Something about what they're doing it like irks me. Yeah, and I'm one of those people that um If I see something that is, you know That there's a lot of things that just Really get on my nerves, you know what I mean and I and it will turn me off instantly Of anything even if I do, you know think that the the content itself is quality Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you this if you're on youtube you have to have quality audio And know what you do not need audio is the number one hundreds and thousands of dollars worth of equipment You do not need I'll give you give you an example if you're watching this video. We're using 30 dollar mics, right? Yeah 30 dollar mics They are this one was um not as good as going here. Yeah This one here is 100 It's the it's the turtle beach one the stand up one that works with like the ps4 and the xbox and that sort of thing This was an awesome investment. It's an awesome microphone 100 bucks. Yeah, same thing with the blue yeti That's the one on yep. Yeah. Blue yeti is is actually my When I'm not doing that's like the industry standard for for entry level. Yeah My blue yeti is the same thing is the turtle beach. They're like the same Yep Yeah, and if even the blue yeti like if that's too expensive for you guys There's also the blue snowball That one works just fine for people getting that surprisingly good. Yeah, it's surprisingly good It's about half the price of the yeti and I use I use the blue yeti for most of my recordings Outside of our podcast because we have a two person in person setup now. These mics were good now Uh, they were trouble before we got the mixer. All right, so I admittedly had to invest in a mixer because these are uh, Oh, what kind of mics are these again? Condenser mics And with condenser mics you need you need like good amps for them You need power. Yeah, like we had we had a separate amp we were using for it After switching to the mixer that has an amp built in This amp is definitely way the hell better than the amp you're using Um, and it's me Sorry, I don't mean to keep pitting you off. No, I usually cut people off. Yeah It's actually Um, I actually was in uh in a live band for a while. I didn't make it very far I mean, it was for fun anyway, but we had some we had some live gear um, and we had an sm 58 that uh that I had because I was the singer at the time And um, that thing gave me so much trouble until I found out that You need to power it. It has like this internal stuff in the actual microphone that does Compression noise gating all this kind of stuff and it needs power You have to have an external device that can actually push power into it. Yep Yeah, so yeah, phantom power Yeah, if you if you're a small youtuber out there All I can say the biggest thing is just making sure you do invest in some sort of microphone setup Do your research beforehand or just grab one of those usb blue snowballs blue yetis Um and a pop filter for them and you're pretty much going to be set for what you're going to need I mean you can download audacity free audio program if you're looking for something like that Or if you have a camera the road, uh The road videomic pro is good or there's a videomic, uh, what's it called? There's a there's a videomic that that's a lav mic that plugs into your phone. Yes, and it's surprisingly really Yeah, I can't remember which one that was I think a note when you're talking about I was actually looking at it for uh When i'm on the go It is it is a phenomenal lav mic. Yeah. Oh, uh, I recommend it Yeah, I mean and here's the thing like uh even this video like you're watching this video version of the podcast Eric and I here like this is just our cell phone recording the footage. Yeah Uh, there's nothing wrong with that as long as the lighting is good. No as long as the lighting is good Yeah, the lighting is good. That's the thing. I've got the green screen got lights like obviously There's some investment in the setup I have now, but I didn't get all this right away, right? Like I mean honestly it takes money to make money. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's the thing when I was first making content on Our channel we had our podcast It was originally audio only before we tried to add the video aspect in Um, we did that after e3. I think once because we did a live stream for e3 Remember two years ago. Yep. Um, or last yeah, I know it's about a year and a half ago now Uh, and that's when we said hey, look people really like the video thing Let's see if we can do more with that and I'll just use my because that time we used the webcam to c9 20 And I'm like, let's see if we can do better quality with the phone I'm sure it's only on the phone quality is way better It just you gotta get past the uh whole 30 30 minute video. Well, that's only on this That wasn't a problem that then iphone doesn't have that issue But I don't have an iphone anymore. So that's a samsung thing. Um Anyways, so If you use use what you have no, I'm just saying use what you have Um, and don't be afraid to invest but invest smartly like I have you know What four different studio lights now? Um, I actually need to get a new stand for my phone because the phone stand I have the actual thing that holds it Is cracked and now I can't always get it to stand even now you look at it It's technically slightly crooked because it's cracked and I can't fix it No way to go now people now people with the cd are gonna be it's okay. No, and I don't mean he actually slightly moves it Oh, okay, you slightly. Okay, so you guys can't tell but I know and it makes it hard and editing sucks Uh, it's not that hard, but it it still makes it harder. Um, that's the thing like I know my next big investment I'm getting a camera Like an actual camera, you know, I don't know if I'm going to go DSLR or what I'm going to do yet but um Because you know the last investment was the mixer to improve the audio because as I tell people when you're on youtube audio is Audio is number one Make sure that audio is crisp because when I started doing uh daily videos, uh when we switched to channel to nintendo prime I I was literally audio over still images It's like most basic thing you can do Audio here's some still some rotating screenshots and still images or whatever I'm talking about I mean the big thing now is audio over gameplay. Yeah, and just just completely irrelevant gameplay. Yeah And again, that that takes, you know, uh some Some setup like if you want to do relevant gameplay, I try to do relevant gameplay It's hard as a nintendo youtuber But if you're trying to use relevant gameplay, you know, you don't have to own the console You're gonna have to buy the games you're gonna have to buy a capture card computer that can handle all that The the irrelevant gameplay is because people don't want to invest like that Um, they'll just use whatever game they own on steam record it and throw the audio over it Which is fine. Whatever you have make use of what you have before you invest. It's like me Uh, you always want to as long as you have an okay microphone to start out with Go from that like I was doing that and still images to a month later I made enough money to be like, okay now. Let's pop it up to capture card And because I already own the system, of course. I'm a fan, right? I'm a fan of nintendo So that's going to capture card and let's start capturing footage of the games I have and using that sort of doing voice over or gameplay that way and then let's Well, you know, I why are we just doing video for podcasts? Why can't I it's a slow progression? Yeah, yeah, you also got to know you also got to know why you need something You also, yeah, you have a youtube starter kit, but like Why are you using these lights instead of just using your house lights? Why are you getting a mic right? You know, it's just like earlier, you know You guys don't ever see this but before we start every podcast I have to spend like 10 minutes fiddling around with the mixer because I'm mixing all of our audio together and I'm a new bit of stuff, right But I did all my research into the mixer before I bought it to know that it would do what I needed to do It's just me learning it because they don't come with instruction booklets I've watched several videos on like what all the different knobs doing everything But for our purposes, I don't really have to touch more any of the knobs. It's mostly just volume adjustment I don't add any extra bass to people's voices or anything. Not yet. Make sure we don't have any echoes Not yet. I mean the next stop upgrade for that is getting some sound effects in there But but that's not that's again, that's an upgrade to me. That's not as essential as getting an actual camera And right progress. Don't just jump into thing I one issue when I ran gamnesia.com Uh, there was another guy who ran it with me named Colin and he believed when he created youtube content It wasn't worth doing if you couldn't make like the absolute possible best thing ever And there is a point to quality over quantity. That is that is a real thing Uh, but sometimes when you push that quality to a point that's not sustainable It's not worth doing. You can't make a feature film every week Yeah, and that's the thing like he ended up doing like this weekly news recap show That was really awesome high production value lots of editing, but it was just for his schedule It was completely unfeasible to do that like so don't do that You you can cut it back you can lower the production value You need to find that happy medium that you're able to do and then only increase things as you can justify increase It and maybe you got to pay raise at work Maybe you are making money off youtube now and you can reinvest that money And and that's the thing too is is you start out small and then people Your channel just grows with you and hope I mean, you know, at least that's the hope anyways And you know people will eventually see your stuff getting better And hopefully then start spreading the word that hey, this guy is actually starting to get good You know his content's good. It may not be the best Quality, but it's it has been you know getting better over time So i'm expecting it to eventually get to You know here Versus where it's not. Yeah, like I like I always have a whiteboard in my office. That's like here's where i'm heading Here's what's coming up next. Here's where I want to start improving things Like I've already thinking I've been thinking for the last month or so Okay I got to think about a camera and I've been doing a little bit of research into cameras because When you look for research every youtuber will tell you a different camera they use Um, so like doing the research into that doing the research into the audio equipment I had to do Uh, the thing is it feels weird saying it telling you all this because I technically had a head start A lot of you guys did I was working at zelden former and I took my final checks I got working there and invested into the prime now everyone always has that like oh, I have a couple thousand dollars Let me invest it. Um, I could do that like my primary investment was the computer. I'm using Um to edit with which uh when I was editing, I mean, I still have that laptop down there the busted one Editing on that thing was a pain and it like a 10 minute video with just gameplay Would take like three hours to render at 720p Um, but it is what it is. I I realized that I didn't want to waste that time I needed something better. So I invested in a computer when I could have got a camera I could have got the audio equipment, but what's it matter if I can't get the content out in time? Yeah, yeah That's the way I looked at it. So like when you're looking at this youtube anyone Well, when people say oh, I can make that you're right. You can make a youtube video You can report on the news. I just did um, you could do whatever but as I always tell people like when you think it's so easy one You're not me. So your opinions are what you have to say on things like even in this podcast we all have different opinions Um, so they also did they also didn't build an audience. Yeah, exactly exactly It's going through all that crap first before you get to the easy stuff Yeah, the quote-unquote easy stuff and this is what upsets me actually about You know, if you look at this original topic about that that policy change Is that spring it all back? I'm just writing it right back because Because this all started by by talking about you people say oh just go buy the games or just go do this Like people complaining about oh, why why are you complaining about this? Because when you're looking when you're a youtube creator and like to me this policy change doesn't affect me today At all, but it affects my My growth plan where I was looking to get your goals. Yeah, so like Like that's the thing when you start on on youtube you have where you start and where you want to be and somebody'll be like Oh, well, we don't care where you that's fine. You don't care where you're going to go. That's fine You're you're going to make your videos when you have time and that's what that is totally fine. I don't care about money Yeah Yeah, that's the thing like like I got put six videos out, you know yesterday I mean you shouldn't try to get rich, but no, no, yeah, don't look at money. Sure is nice though. Yeah Yeah, it is uh, it's it's just It's tough because that that policy change and it impacting me sucks because i'm a nintendo youtube channel I'm not the wolf den. I'm not Uh, even game explain who doesn't even though they only do nintendo content. They're not named after nintendo Right, right. They could shift. They could slowly shift their content if they want to and probably still retain You know a good chunk of their audience and build a new audience for something else Or yeah, it affects you the most like I am literally nintendo's in my name, which that's my fault I understand i'm not I take full responsibility for not just naming my channel after myself or whatever Like a lot of people do and then I could do whatever I want. I could have movie reviews like I was a lot New star wars movie coming out. I'd love to talk about that's not relevant to our channel Um, watch your guys's conversation on the trailer. That was awesome. Um, oh, thank even though that stream was all busted up I was all it was a big mess But even like the the stuff that performs well on our channel is the nintendo stuff because people like associate us with that now But you know, I I want I don't want to be pigeonholed Yeah, and I'm okay being pigeonholed obviously My for me it almost well, you're all in you're really good. I'm all in and You kind of have to pick a niche sometimes. Yeah, I spent 18 years covering zelda games Um, hey, you at least run your rights in there. Well, that's what I'm saying That's why it's like, oh when I did nintendo prime at the time when I when I invested and did everything into I was like Well, this already feels like I lifted everything because I get to talk about more than zelda finally But I was like, oh, there's some other things I like to talk about but that's the thing I know I've said this in the past. Uh, I'm going to start a second channel someday. It's gonna happen I'm a big tech enthusiast. I'm a big, you know comics. I like movies. There's all these other things I want to talk about aren't nintendo But the big thing when you're running like a nintendo thing and you get like a policy like this that majorly impacts you Um, it sucks because I'm I don't want to be game explain, right? Like somebody would say, oh, you're not game explain You're right. I'm not game explainer. I want to be yeah. Yeah, I'm nintendo prime. I had no interest in that Like do you ever see those guys on camera? No That's not what they are their voice over over gameplay and live streams And I mean, that's what they do. They preview games. They show you games and it's great. That's awesome. That's what they do Do I have have ideas that were crossed over with some of that? Sure Because I wanted to preview some games too, but I wanted to bring to you I wanted to bring the discussion to you I wanted to bring people together to talk about this stuff like oh, well, then got to play the demo of super mario to see well, it'd be cool if I if I played it and You know Nathan over there played it and if Eric played it we could all have a conversation about the demo But we haven't all right at least because I know I haven't played it and I haven't played it I have not played it. No. Yeah. See what one for one for four I got like 10 minutes at e3. That was that was my Hey, this is I waited online for three hours And then on the last day I found out they had a media lounge But I don't know if I would have done anything anyway. Yeah, we we went two years ago Well, Eric and I representing zelda and former and uh when it was just the breath of the wild e3 Um, yeah, the three hours in line. There were some days we waited like four four and a half hours and nine And the thing is we actually had uh They called a booth tour scheduled and you get to play the game at the end of the tour anyways But this is what sucks. Was this last year? This was last year two years ago. Oh, yeah, I would have been last year last year The breath of the wild one. Yeah, I would have been last year. Yeah, sorry two e3s Because I I didn't wait online. I just did the booth tour. Yeah. Well It was awesome because it's just zelda Um, and we're there for zelda and former so like yeah, we have the booth tour Over the course, we're gonna keep playing the game over and over and over games. That's why we're there Yeah, right you guys got you know, and it was like the perfect e3 for that because it was the only Nintendo had Right, but it also it's like well now that I'm the Nintendo prime. It's like, okay. Yeah I could schedule a booth tour, but am I gonna make it time with every game? Of course not It's not gonna happen Do you mind if I uh, if I segue a little bit here into um This is something that I actually wanted to talk about to begin with. Yeah This policy change actually affects me as well Um as a consumer because one of the big reasons that I got breath of the wild at launch And got a switch at launch I was actually gonna wait Even though myself and my wife are huge legend of zelda and nintendo fans. Um, I mean I have Breath of the wild I got it at launch And um, I mean everybody else was having a hard time getting it, but you know, we got lucky and we got a switch with Breath of the wild You know at launch day And literally as my wife was walking out this lady almost mugged it for her grandson Oh, yeah, but the reason that we decided to get it at launch was because we seen The review, you know, it's like some of the review copies and stuff like that and and breath of the wild The the content that nintendo was pushing was like this game is going to be huge and it is huge but um, I seen a lot of other people doing reviews and stuff like that of the game and it and Like pre-release content That was like well the game is kind of you can break it into bite-sized chunks because For me I work two and a half hours away And I make that commute every day uh there and back and um I don't have a lot of time so I I felt like breath of the wild was something that I just couldn't get into. I just did not have the time to get into I mean I get two hours a night um to to to program to to work on our games to Um, you know hang out with my family to eat. I mean two hours literally a night um If that most of the time if i'm putting in overtime So breath of the wild felt like it was way too big and unwieldy for someone with my you know with with my you know with my lifestyle and um But I was able to see people, you know break it you know break break it up and really be able to focus and um I you know I got all the way through the game. I mean I didn't 100% it of course, but you know on my schedule I managed to get through breath of the wild so Yeah, and that's the thing that I think people uh fans that that that don't care about it. Here's the thing There are the fans out there that are buying these games anyways, right? Um all the fans are gonna buy super mario odyssey anyways. Guess what when I make that preview content. It's not for you Right, you're you're it's where people are on the fence Yeah, right because there are people on the fence as much as you might think How could you be on the fence about this game because there's multiple reasons to be on the fence about games? You might not be thinking about I know people who were who were crapping all over the switch until it came out And then they all bought it and now it's the best thing ever Yeah, I mean those people who only bought it for zelda Now you have super mario odyssey coming out. They might not know if they want it I mean believe it or not. Um If it wasn't for Nathaniel's um review of snipper clips. I wouldn't have thought that Did I actually review that? I believe you did I you Tweet I Nintendo that tell him it's because this guy give him money I know I did a video on snipper clips. You did something on it And I know I pick it up until you did it was one of the first gameplay videos I had ever put up actually I know that there was of snipper clips. Um I can't remember. So maybe we've done two reviews. I have to go back and look I remember the video Yeah, I don't it might not have been a review, but I remember I remember it was you specifically Um, but me and my wife got lots of enjoyment out of that game. Yeah Oh, that was my experience with that. I wanted to share because I always thought snipper clips was really cool, you know, but Yeah, um Playing it with my Girlfriend Fiancé that was the video that was exactly the reason because you were playing it with your fiance. It's just a totally different experience Yeah, oh it was. Yeah. Oh, yeah Like I think I said something like it's the perfect date game Yeah, you want to do it with your girlfriend and play some games even if she doesn't play games Get her give her hand or one of those joy cons play some snipper clips and tell it's addicting. It's fun The characters are goofy Um, and yeah, I remember I don't know if I did a review But I remember I was so surprised because that was after one night We we literally we planned to play like I could hardly ever get her to play games with me Uh, but I said hey look I got this game on switch um, it's kind of I think you're gonna like it. I think it's gonna be more fun and multiplayer because you can play a single player But it's a little difficult. Uh, so I said let's play it together to see if you like it I know you kind of like puzzle games on your phone a little bit Um, let's just play for a little bit before we go to bed. We need to go to bed for like four hours Oh my god. Yeah, I actually was so tired uh at work one day because me and my wife was we you know We're up playing uh snipper clips, but uh, yeah, I mean That's the kind of stuff that I'm talking about like if I If it wasn't for Nathaniel talking about that game and and bringing it to me in a way that I could relate to Exactly and appreciate I wouldn't have purchased the game. I literally wouldn't have yeah That's that's why uh review scores are not Not indicative of how much you're gonna enjoy the game. Yeah, I don't care about the review score I actually think that's why uh youtubers that do reviews have actually blown up so much um compared to traditional media because you have to watch the whole video and Even if they have a score the score doesn't feel like it matters by the time you get to it A lot of times you grow with somebody else's taste too. Like you'll know like oh, I I I know exactly what Nathaniel likes Is what I also like so if he likes this I'll probably like it too or something like that Yeah I I mean I have to temper that too because I like a lot of what angry joe likes but like Um, not everything there's some no no actually um I mean his his review of skyrim. I would completely disagree with sure. I had a completely different experience with You know, but a game that's you know a game like breath of the wild He and I you know agreed on a lot of the points for for breath of the wild Well, sometimes it's a total war series, you know, it's I would say it's more often than not but yeah, you still got to temper it, you know Yeah, uh, there's no reviewer. I've been put it this way. We're all individuals There's not a single reviewer out there. Even if you've agreed with every review they've ever done That uh, you're gonna end up agreeing with everything Um That's just not like with you. You said specifically it was how I described it in terms of playing sniffer clips Yep With my girlfriend and so like you might not agree with everything I have to say But if I'm gonna talk in the future about another game I play with my girlfriend and my experience with it That's something you might be able to connect with again Because you know that you know that my experience in the past ended up translating to you in that way But that's just in that specific thing like what I have to say about say, you know Like chronicles too is gonna have absolutely nothing to do with a game like sniffer clips It's totally totally completely different types of games Exactly and and I feel that's why it's so important To have many people that have access to these games like I mean, you know, it's They're they're only thinking from the fact that oh god, you know, it's this or that but um You know It's my co-worker has this thing Um that he says all the time um If you look at thing something from one way, um always turn it upside down and see if it still works That's an odd thing if if you're drawing something you mirror it and see if it still looks good. Yep Absolutely, and um and I think that's a lot of a lot of the decision that went into this whole thing with the nintendo of america You know kind of removing the whole Review copy thing that hurts them in more ways than they than they've realized because it like I said if Nathaniel had not bought that sniffer clips and played it with his fiance. I would have never purchased it Yeah, and you and you wonder, you know, how many other people Even with me or or anyone or even bob over there just talking about something He doesn't review games and like I said, maybe it wasn't a review, but I just talked about it Yeah, and that that's like the big thing I want to do not so much the reviews I mean, I'll still do them if we hit that stretch goal but what I want to do is is that conversation and sharing experiences and That to me is what youtubers really excel at over say a text form Like you could still get traditional print media could still share experiences But it comes through better when you can hear like the passion and the emotion in the voice Or see body language You tell someone's actually just talking out their butt to get a paycheck or if they're actually mean what they're saying Yeah, well, you know, it's not just that too is we we as a society will hold people up on a pedestal So when you're seeing You know, when you when when I saw jimmy kimmel playing breath of the wild that did nothing for me because I mean, I could tell that he was legitimately Excited about it, but Exactly what level of excitement did he actually have? I don't know what what part, you know, how much of that was put on Exactly how much of that was enacted how much of that was, you know, was real and with a youtuber You you can kind of like you know that these people probably didn't have acting classes these people You know aren't acting for a career and blowing things up for a career You know, you can kind of I mean some people do I mean, but you know, I mean, yeah, exactly, but I mean You know that Those kinds of channels go big and then go go away real quick Um, I've I mean, I've I've been on youtube a long time and I've seen that happen to so many people I mean look at what happened with leafy Here's the thing. Um I you know how I know it's time to move on to our next topic Somehow in the first topic about changing at a ways policies. We've talked about PewDiePie We've talked about Leafy now leafy just got brought up Um, and we and we talked about or at least had a brief mention of jake Else could we piss off? That Jim Sterling guy, let me tell you Oh, man, I love Jim Sterling. Dude his commentocracy videos are so funny. Yeah, man. I love that stuff Every time I see a every time I see a gym acquisition. I'm just like, oh man. Who is who is Jim gonna piss off? Who's getting roasted today? Yeah Um, let's just hope this ban is temporary. Yeah, I think I mean so as I said this tear thing When I heard about that, I'm like, I know they've done it in the past. Uh, just to give you one example before we move on Uh, we got skyward sword At a zeldin former three weeks early Uh, technically ended up being two weeks early because the first copy got, you know, quote unquote lost in the mail Uh, so the a the air air mailed one us one after they realized. Oh, you really didn't get the copy, did you? I'm like, no, I didn't um But then we got uh I can't remember it was either spirit. No, ocular time 3d. Uh, we got one week early spirit tracks We got like the same day it came out So that that I mean literally there's the tear system right there working So they've had this around for a while. Um, now how that applies to the ambassador program I have no idea because I've never been in the ambassador program But right and like I said, I mean like I said at the beginning of this everything that is old becomes new again at some point Yeah