 Seven o'clock or a couple minutes after I Katie. Hi, Katie How many tractors do you have just pretend? Is there a public comment right? I'm not on the agenda Additions or changes to the agenda. All right, um Alfred. Do you have any quick updates for us? Yes And the body and all that stuff Wow I know you guys Your turn Okay I'm gonna see them already been busy clowning and standing You've seen it a bunch of times already. Yeah, and what's how's that you're using that magic stuff on the County brood still I Haven't started yet Mainly meant for colder temperatures. Oh, I haven't started using it yet But I'm gonna buy it from Guthrie Right So you guys so we get a cheaper price He buys it by ball. Yeah, so that's the same price Yeah, good And the state I had a sample on Worcester didn't work out because they don't have enough room Is there any way to put sand? someplace like in the Curtis pond swim area parking lot or Some place around Not the camera part The machine yeah, yeah, what if we bought four shovels? Yeah So that's sort of what limits us there As far as having another pot because I bought them Yeah, which we've done in this spring back Previous years we never used them in the winter right in the area was was bill So how did you thought of that? Sounds like we might have the report from the UVM students soon Which will be to see you know They come up with you know, check out your ideas or whatever Anything else on updates See I've just had No, what is grant great fear used to drive You work for Talk to Rob Richard He's trained he's got his permit But he said that he'd be willing to work for some But he needs a truck to use to take his license with And he wants a class a so which would mean truck and trailer So I'm entertaining the idea of if he could get a schedule let him use our truck and trailer Yeah Yeah, yeah, I mean I know I've gotten burnt there before I've helped a guy get his license and then he works two weeks and laughs so I'm a little bit We know where to find well, that's it Locals you know Yeah Yeah, so I'm sure you can use the money Yeah He said I think you can take over your job when you retire All right, so let's talk about I put stuff in a folder Yeah It's got four wheels. Yeah, and air conditioning Well, also, you know, if you'd get Rob on board he might be another person to do Yeah, I think the one you go if you go back the first one way at the top say That one is somebody's that's black It's up at four years it's been farm equipment dealer So this is One of these movers. He said this in a recent email doesn't go with this tractor. I don't know what it is I think it might be that one. It's a big white like a seven foot flounder Yeah, this is like a brush hog type Maher And this is one of the flail heads. There's two flail heads. They're identical. This is one But this they didn't know But I was with it. Maybe these guys can configure something That's a flail on the back That's a seven footer. So there's the tractor with the boom Yeah No, where is this for me? Sure That's a low oil Shut off system. So if you're somebody's driving it and then the engine oil runs low shut off for you wreck the motor And what year is it like a 95 you say it's not not No, I'm sorry five hundred hours on it was all by another town in Connecticut In Connecticut There's the hours 3356 hours They just split the tractor as you have to do you put a new clutch pressure plate and throw up there The clutch wasn't disengaged. I didn't know what was going on. So they opened it up You let a tractor sit for a long time and you don't tie the Clutch pedal down to keep the it lose it with no rust and get stuck the back of the So Have you dealt with this place before So Yeah, he said yeah, I know you're not gonna need it. You know, we were just talking up I was up there getting parts from my tractor. So we're just talking kind of okay. He's very flexible The road commissioner from Holland's next in line we don't mind so No, I want he wants to but that he said at that price. I'll buy that now too. Oh It's cheap, you know, you want it for a couple eat one of your summer So something you guys are gonna go check out you want the board to Just wants to know I'm calm If they work if we say we're interested we just want the real commission wants to take a look at it I told me wouldn't prove it this like we're meeting in my totem because now whatever Okay, oh Well, that's what I wonder if we how much money we have in the We can ask Sandra when we do the update on my treasure stuff or we'd have to put it on A budget item in the morning put it to pause on it We need to put it on the morning. Oh, we just put it in budget No, it's not, you know, $100,000 piece of equipment. So I don't I feel a little more comfortable Just put it in the budget if we need to What everybody else is warning to Yeah, I Think I'll be good to have that because it you can talk about roadside mowing because people Are happy or unhappy depending on you talk to you about Our experience over the last couple years. Yeah, well, I think we'd have better control with the invasives. Yeah, we're dealing with right and that's a big deal Then we could do Alrighty, so you guys are gonna coordinate on checking it out Alright Alright, I don't want to hold you up I saw John's note about how awesome it is Yeah, and these guys are gonna coordinate me to go up and look at it and All right CVR can you see? Yeah It's nice that it's close to home, right? So a while back Alphie and Toby got me involved looking at the gully site Cowwood's road and The stormwater master plan that CVR PC had done for the the town is is long done It's been less finished last winter, but we finally have a grand opportunity to move some of those projects forward to final design So I'm here tonight. It's just to let you know Toby was really interested and the town's really that was like the top The top two sites was to deal with the post office And that's the top site from the weather version inventory report, right? Not necessarily this is the stormwater master plan So many So there's the road erosion inventory is one animal that's out of the Hermit requirement that came out from the DEC considering runoff from roads Missable This is what the stormwater master plan that we did that was all the three towns in the Kingsbury Branch with bearings my failure and callous and the town along with the consultant's watershed consultant associates identified five top priority sites and two of those sites were right where the post offices in East Calis as well as right by Fellows road right by Alfe's trailer that prayer for fellows rubber There's a covert that goes underneath some treatment right there before that culvert To really treat the stormwater before it gets spit out of those pipes That have caused the stormwater from those pipes have caused a pretty big gully on John Reese's land, right? So John Reese he really you know, he's a hundred percent supportive and really once. Oh, yeah I hadn't heard that so yeah, I talked to him recently and he wrote a letter support As well I've been in touch with Scott and Chris Hudson from the rec rec association because they technically own the post office land, right? So they're on board So basically we just need the support of the town Right on the corner that changed hands a couple years ago The Grey House or the White House, I mean it's white white great. Yeah, she is not supportive of anything She wanted to see final designs Long before she would have approved any But she kind of wanted the you know horse before the car because you can't really Right have you can't really design anything final until you Collect the data that you need to engineer it So she wasn't really willing to move forward and asked myself and carry Garvey from watershed to please stop So we need to do anything on that property No, that nope though So the design was changed to the post to write on the post office site So okay, the original idea was on Beth Harrington's land, but She doesn't want us to do anything on her land. So that's why we moved the design to the post office So and they're fine doing it there. So I figured that would be yeah So anyway, I have this is get through the what's now called used to be called clean water block grant program but it's called the design implementation block grant program and it's from the Department of Environmental Conservation and You know, it's a chunk of money that's available to forward Projects to final design and implementation and the governor is very set that this is, you know, only things that are really ready to go So this is in the EC so so It's kind of because it's capital funds basically so and They're they're funding final designs as well. So I was able to sneak. I'm sneaking in these two projects With the intent of bundling there are two separate applications But with the intent of bundling them into one grant agreement Do we have to do the minister roads general permit for this? No, this has nothing to do with nothing The only thing that it has to do with the permit is that This design is going to recommend some things that Some best management practices along the road and the culverts that would also be included Municipal roads general permit. So you may be able to check your box off. Yeah, you know You don't necessarily need final design to do your right, you know And you said it was in kind so the only match isn't kind So there's no cash match required for this brand and it would just be in kind time for These guys they would be available to remember how last time you guys helped out So we're gonna need to probably do some test pits just to check out the soils Correct infiltration rates, so it would be maybe like On the town level if the town would like to you know See the proposals from the engineers and weigh in at all. We can do that as well We can involve you folks if you want Toby wants to be involved or However Yeah, so you can count that time just even looking at the proposal Meeting with us So that's for I think you're looking at the implementations So for the final designs, this is just for final design The total project amount for Moscow was going to implement would be 33,000 We're just looking at the final design number which is sixty two fifty plus About a thousand dollars my little addition minor additional design items and usually what I do I just bump that up a little about twenty percent because this is from watershed and you never know if the other firms are gonna Are gonna be that low so The cap for the grant is $20,000 so as long as you're below $20,000 So even if I bundled these the total of them is going to be less than 20,000 So that's why I can bundle it into one grant agreement. I thought he says that makes sense No, he said it was 33. Well, that's what it says here. That's for that. Oh, that's where construction This is just for final design, so I'll have to come back. Oh, I see yet another grant for Construction oh me get to that base So this is a you think this would be a permanent fix Really That's it It's for the engineers to solve for us and it'll really stop a lot of that storm water That's coming down that hill. So Just by divert just by like stopping that one pipe that's coming down that Yeah, that and row it and going So the idea at the post office site is an underground system It's like a chamber system like these kind of like semi-circle plastic chambers I wish I brought pictures from Northfield because we just put one in and They'll just be you know a few of those semi-circle pipes where what happens is the storm water comes in and Then makes its way through through those pipes and then infiltrates through the ground everything's so sanity there I don't expect there to be a lot of right discharge from it. So what about maintenance of the so that's the other piece is that in this letter is that And I think you guys have been on board with this idea We just need to select board to approve this whether or not the time would be Be willing to take on the operation and maintenance of the system once it's built They kind of want to know that so what do you tell us or can we do it? No, you'll need a back truck, but you don't need to buy a back truck. No, I just be to get fallers to come I'm Probably once every couple of years We're doing the same thing in Woodbury Doing final designs for them right now So I'm thinking that what would be great is if you know the two towns could be out Maybe hiring top fellers at the same time to come to both places So flowers could suck it out and then like dump it at our garage or something so no I don't think they would dump it at your garage. We would just go to like that I don't think it's because they're as far as Your understanding would that become part of something you in the road crew it would Yeah, you would know it's time you would or like I was one like whose job whose job list is this going on to yeah So just you know just a little history, you know these guys have been blamed for the gully just for putting both culverts in but it's not their fault It's the nature of the water shut all the water coming down the sandy soils and just happened to be coming through the stormwater system So the stormwater has to be fixed. Yeah, it's a remedy the situation. That's been caused by the gully The gully is also going to have a design element in it to where We're doing one in plain for design in plain field right now And we actually just finished a construction in very city where You know pretty much try to stabilize the water that's going through there and slow it down So that it stops eroding that it stops head cutting of that valley So that's gonna have a much lesser operation and maintenance component. It's more than to be like Checking it out and anything get washed out You'd like us to sign this letter tonight, right? Yeah, and I have one dated Oh, you have a head you want to have a letter head yours is better. Yeah, I just put it yours on perfect Thank you. Yes, that would be great because then I can just include that in the application We're I thought it was in the documents so improving the grant application in support of the grant application and as well as Committing to operation and maintenance for a minimum of 10 years at these two sites Which is what they want you to sign on for it before they give you any money So you want to make a motion to authorize me to sign this letter? The second yeah, all right for the discussion. I didn't know I think Alfred had something you wanted to say Anything about I just got a question that the 33,000 is that cover Oh No, there's two cost estimates in here at the 32,000 is the jelly one and then On page 29 here 34,000 for the infiltration system But the 33,000 would include you know treatment at the culvert inlet That was right Okay, are you ready to vote on the letter all those in favor, please say hi Any opposed hearing none So once when we implement you think So if we get a design These contracts are sort of talking to you once you get the money. I got them What am I supposed to do? I got Thank you so much everyone I got a You know grant I got Grant awards for Woodbury to do two designs in March, and I still don't have a contract So so it may not be this summer. Maybe no, well definitely won't construct a summer Hopefully we could do it the following summer. That's these contract the block grant contracts tend to move a little quicker Then the other ones are the other piece. I need to mention is that I would draw Number and another agreement between CVRPC in the town Just outlining Everything for the process which will be pretty simple because it's just a design But when we would get to the construction piece More involved if these guys are going to help with the construction of all especially if they want to Yeah, all right Great. Thank you, Pam. Thank you Thank you I'll put you in on any other stuff that might Okay Right treasurer's report we are We are high on revenues primarily because we are Still in the process of property of our tax collection effort so we are At this point we've collected 72% of our budgeted revenues, but that's an inflated number And the deadline is the 29th for post-borrow the Two week grace deadline for that two week grace period that line is November 29th great Well, I lose the post which includes the post Okay, I I'm sure everybody else did too. I did read your holy court, so We're at about 48% of our budgeted expenditures Even this may appear to be high, but there are one-time expenditures early in the fiscal year So for the time being we are on track Office town office interim redesign that project is Complete the expenses to date are roughly $1,700 Is to provide us a bill Yeah, I saw your email you wanted to to break that bill in half or To give us separate bills The good news is though that he did do some work on the the roof. I think it's done. At least it's a fix for now Yeah That's good We want and we want him to break out that bill from from the interim office redesign So the select board allowed a $4,000 budget for this interim redesign and we're going to be well The only Continuing bills in connection with that design is for the storage container at $75 a month So town as soon as town hall is ready A large portion of what is in there will go over to the town hall Although we will expect to continue to need that storage container Until we have shredded certain of the documents in there. So, you know, it's that many dollars Very inexpensive. Yes, and steeple chase in that with you guys the other day steeple chase did we are Just about at the final Design for the renovation. He has a few tweaks to make his initial salvo was really excellent it incorporated all of our requests and He said his knee-jerk reaction is that it's going to come in under 50 we're going to Repurpose materials as we can we're going to put walls on top of carpeting So we don't have to rip up carpeting fall under 50 what? Thousand to renovate this office. Yes And the reason that's important is that's about what we have in that account So there's rewiring that is involved and it should we should be fine. We don't know quite yet Hasn't specced it out Yeah, well when they're ready to present us the we didn't have a number when we approved it We haven't seen the design. You haven't seen the design. No, but we approved just Yeah, I'm getting to the design. Yeah Highway revenues we are have collected a 90% of budgeted revenues The remaining revenues will come from state aid to highway The expenditures highway again is at about 46% of their budget There are certain one-time payments that occur early in the fiscal year. So we are on track Alfred on track with that Alfred has already told you that international truck lease has closed and we've been Reimbursed the money that we fronted for the purchase of the chassis We put it back into the equipment that is correct. So so my question is then so And maybe we'll get there quickly How much is in the capital equipment fund right now a year in a day? It's eighty seven thousand nine hundred eight dollars We have a payment that will hit around January 3rd for the 2019 West Star in the amount of forty thousand one hundred twenty four dollars So after that payment that Account will have roughly forty seven thousand eight hundred dollars in it That's it would be in January. Correct As far as our balance sheet is concerned until we pay our school taxes It is inflated again by our tax effort, but we're we're really on target as of October as of the end of October, which is where this report Focuses we are we have ninety eight thousand dollars plus an outstanding first installment taxes That is a little ahead of where we were last year at the same period in time So we're hoping that that is not a predictor for the ultimate amount of delinquent taxes that we're going to have to collect this year Delinquent taxes for two thousand eighteen Outstanding our ninety eight hundred dollars Of that balance Roughly seventy not seventy one hundred has been turned over to Gloria Rice for collection the remaining Delinquencies I expect to be able to collect except for the one parcel Which which I talked about in an email with you folks, and if the Select board Determines that it is the right thing to do I recommend a motion to send that to attorney Rice for collection and The reason that it has to it's being handled as a one-off is because it's lower than our normal threshold Yes, we wouldn't typically pursue that Amount of delinquent tax, but there's been no payment. There is no agreement and there's been no contact Yeah, I just want to make sure we're following our normal Yeah, yes, we are yeah, and Yeah, and we wouldn't send it until after the 29th Correct because we want to see if it happens to come in during the grace period It may come in during the grace period and also we would as long as the select board Makes a motion for that as well. We would hook the Delinquent 2019 taxes on to that tax amount as well because there's been no contact and no payment on that either which is consistent with my expectations at this point in time based on what I know Sandra the 366,154 dollars that was collected on the 2018 tax collection effort Is that spread across the entire year? Yes that collection or do we get the biggest portion proportion at the beginning Six months the warning of what the impact when we carry that kind of a balance that deficit You know ongoing really it is And then we have it yet the same for what maintaining it close to 200,000 dollar Tax deficit deficit every year that's maintained well By the time you get to the end of the year the end of the fiscal year your Historically about 60 or 40,000 dollars in and then by this point in time At least since I've had the position where we're down very very low and we're collecting 2018 taxes and no other tax Tax at Delinquent taxes from prior years Yeah Well, but let's let's break your question down a little more so so the big bubbles One taxes come in are when they're due in August and then when they're due in November, right and then there's 175 even at the end of November still out there if you were to say Where is there another bubble another point after which you can say you know what and three-quarters of that? Is gone by end of January or whatever that point is or is it really equally spread across the next year I? would have to research that so that by By June we're at around 60,000 so About a hundred of that comes in over the next six months Yeah, you really do a good job of getting people to Do a monthly payment or? Well, we I already have people who have contacted me to say simply they they are not going to pay their taxes except After they are due and by virtue of a payment plan There's so they can do what percentage is that hundred and 176,000 is what percentage of the overall touch I'd have to get the numbers that I don't have those numbers in front of me I mean, I'd need the entire tax separate number and I don't have that well That might be something worthy of Looking into what percentage If you give me a minute, I just pull it off right. Oh, okay. Do you want me to do that now? I'm gonna answer that question. I just don't have that in mind. I don't want information you up so that we won't ruin up But Yeah, it's just a matter of what is our total budget really so I can look at the Snacks I think the proper Rubens he finds us interesting Everything I want to know about Taxes and it sounds amazingly similar to each month. Yeah Yeah, right down to the discussion with the Discussion about the lower Well, and the thing is is people are already having a hard time paying their taxes, right? We've got the school debt consolidation Trauma the calluses paying for debt that they didn't incur and now they want a two point at least a two point seven seven percent Increase, which is really a five percent increase, but a lot has been absorbed by They had a funds right 300 grand So I think the statistic I heard and don't quote me out there in TV land I think I heard in the next five or ten years. Maybe it's ten years that Fifty two percent of Vermonters will be in excess of sixty five years of age Fifty two percent that's crazy And so that means a lot of folks would be retired. Mm-hmm, which means they'll see a decrease in their income Likely by half or more. It's we're going to get qualify for the property tax Or Bateman based on income sensitivity Formula and then that's got to be picked if we still have it if we still have it So what happens is when we get to that crisis point, it won't be enough revenue is to fund This is serious business Okay, you got your fingers. So has a to that and in 2018 at the outstanding The amount That needed to be collected and delinquent taxes was 3.71% of the total amount Build and the total amount billed was four million seven hundred thirty dollars 175 So three not quite four percent not quite four percent four percent is Outstanding over the course of it has to be collected as delaying That's interesting information to have I really had no sense of what it what it It's not it's a lot of money. I mean four percent is a small percentage Right, but a hundred and seventy five thousand dollars is What well over it's bigger than the town office's Budget as a whole no no the town office budget is in excess of eight hundred thousand dollars But it is a significant number Right, right. I mean like just literally running this building Never mind. It's not important. I'm just saying now. I'm just saying that it's a it's like if you if we lost a hundred and seventy six Thousand dollars something that we all appreciate like keeping this office open and paying the town part would be gone, right? Well, it's important that it gets collected. Yeah So so Just with all the school stuff. So if we Hundred seventy five thousand dollars until the kind seventy six thousand dollars in Lincoln taxes And we have to make it up by taking out a loan We cover that And we're covering the school taxes as well. It's a town. Yes That is our obligation to pay that is we can't hold that is interesting Because we're no longer. We've we're no longer. We don't own any Educational assets any longer. It's owned by this consolidated district. Why are we on the hook to collect their tax? It seems like the next stage And this act forty six forty nine discussion needs to be you guys want to consolidate Then it needs to be the consolidate district that does the tax collecting in the effort Why are we spending staff time? it's an extension of The continuous vote meetings and the cost of the town we were funding staff costs in effort in The effort to get loans and all this stuff based on our town's credit Time crummy credit. Well, then we're also we're also paying the interest on the loan even if it's right Well that gets reimbursed through the assessment on going with taxes. Well, it's just just to get you I think it's enough To be clear there's a statute that says We the town is responsible to collect the tax, right? So there we need to be some statutory change and two We pay what we owe minus the delinquent taxes Outstanding at that time So on December 29th if we still have if I have a hundred thirty thousand Or hundred and forty thousand dollars in delinquencies on that payment, which is likely Three-quarters of which are school taxes, right? We pay our school tax bill minus the delinquency and that is committed Okay, now there is a true up in April where the state figures out what what we really oh Because the grand list while it is set as of April 1 Continues to have tweaks right up through the time that you set the tax rate Due to Arizona missions you saw that yeah, and there have been continuous tweaks to the grand list Folks have come in and out of Current use there have been late homestead declaration filings and so forth So in April the state takes all the information figures out what we really owe and then we Pay them the balance so that's pretty it's pretty important the state or the school the school So it's it's important that we get that money in and you saw over time last year how those Outstanding delinquent taxes did affect our cash flow and some of the decisions you made in spending They do Come up with the money, especially now that we're paying off It's time we have a conversation with our representatives that maybe the district the school district needs to have this conversation I don't talk to the chair Well, that's just one piece of it right piece. Yeah, but it's an important one, you know, okay, sorry No, I that is the extent of My report And we're now doing and we're now doing One of the things that the auditors asked us to do which was the NEMRIC stuff and then I'm getting the Documents from the NEMRIC Right, so that's another thing we can check our audit our our audit was very clean the cleanest audit you've had since FY 15 frankly you had no material deficiencies You had one significant deficiency, which is not a black mark. It's more like a gray mark and It's the cemetery stuff. No, that but that wasn't a gray mark. That was a recommendation but in the significant deficiency category their Recommendation was that there be oversight and the journal entry the general journal entries that I do so general journal entries are Would be for instance if I miss post an expense to an expense line and We and we want to put it in the correct expense line. That's not a revenue That's not an expense that is moving a number from one budget line to the next and that would be a correction And that would be an example of a general journal entry But general journal entries can happen certainly not every day But they happen relatively frequently throughout the month And so in order to allow the town to continue to do business and keep its books up to date We I worked with the accountants and we formulated a Procedure whereby our monthly auditor NEMRIC reviews all journal entries and any questions that may arise She notes them in writing She sends the entire report and any comments. She has both to Denise and I simultaneously via email so that Puts the select board instantly on notice of any findings. She may have I then Respond with whatever documentation she asks for that response goes both to her and to Denise So the select board again is on notice of the response And that has satisfied and that is satisfactory to the auditors and that was really the only tweak And then they asked us to make I do I did review What they sent with? Is it Cynthia Cynthia sent and Sandals responses, so I did read I did review it Yeah, she had a couple of questions about the auditors general Yeah, my my general journal entries, so they put all that in writing I they just sometimes like things to be booked differently than I had them so yeah, we managed that for them Thank you for your work as usual. We are but just to go back We get we haven't had to take a tax a note in anticipation of taxes Because we have a bear in two years. We have a very strong general fund balance and So when I talk about we want to be careful what or where we end up at the end of the year That fund balance covers us for the first two months of the Next fiscal year until we begin to get our tax money in so the town When you wonder well, how are we going to cover ourselves one way to do that is by maintaining a healthy general fund balance the auditors find our fund balance to be healthy and it is Carrying us all the grant expenses and in particular in the summer We have significant grant highway grant expenses that we that are Unbudgeted and won't be reimbursed perhaps for 18 months, right? So we're doing very well Well, yeah, we're doing very well We've made a lot of improvements. I think I Didn't you have yeah So our prognostications been pretty accurate terms of anticipated expenses and We don't come up with a lot of overruns cost over no you despite the weather changes changing Well, and that remains to be seen you're gonna, you know a budget is a guide. You're making your best guesses We know it's all we can do we have Look at the weather we've had in the last couple of days I'm running payroll now, and I have significant over time. So yeah, yeah We just don't know We do our best. Yeah, we do I just want to I think I can leave and you can come on but in your budget notebooks You're gonna notice a tab The 311 11. Yeah, we're gonna go over it. I'm not gonna go over it. You guys are going to go over it Give me half an hour to get home You're gonna notice that there are orange stripes throughout that budget development worksheet and those are Changes or additional comments since you met the last time Yeah, so you're you're going to in fact you have your alpha budget sheet the next budget sheet which is also a live spreadsheet in the Google Docs and you also you have the changes since that second budget sheet and You will continue we will continue to update you then the next budget sheet You have the orange will be removed and then the the next changes from tonight To the next meeting will be noted in some other color so that you were going to have a You'll be able to track your budget as it goes from meeting to meeting so the orange is gonna wait No, you said the orange is gonna be gone, but is it gonna start you're gonna keep that That's gonna be But we don't 15 colors for every meeting you have but no boy can this meeting see when it landed Yes, you're gonna see that Changes over the last couple of weeks and rather than have to search for them I highlighted them for you so you know note on the agenda that says we're gonna review the proposed draft night one thing in your Packages tonight is a letter from Nimrick And that letter from Nimrick announces that its own cybersecurity requirements Have a required an increase in its support I have also included a couple of emails from various treasurers. I still think it's a good deal with them I really do They it is reflected in your budget that you see tonight in orange. You can take a look at those comments Yeah, because we asked you to check and see if the fee was gonna go up. Well, this is their This is number X a support fee. So we run six of their applications We can call up five times a day the Lister's can call Judy can call They answer our questions they walk us through any snags and the program that is going to from that was $1480 $1500 it's now up to $5,000 big jump their disaster recovery agreement There's one for the general government side and one for the Lister's comma program They have stayed the same Cynthia's hourly rate our monthly auditors hourly rate has remained the same So you will again, you will see that you will see that in your room in orange Any other questions? Thank you This is extensive Thank you All righty Nice to meet you, but yes We need to do I don't get tax Motion Sorry John So I think we should know it since Sandra mentioned she sent us an email that it was it was just giving us a heads up that She was going to ask us to make a one-off decision, which she did in her presentation, right? noted Well, I told me sure the parcel number right So let me see if I do this right I'll make a motion That we send parcel number two point two four zero zero Delinquency amount Outstanding delinquency for 2018 367 52 and unless he pays his and if he doesn't pay his 2019 Taxes by the end of the grace period, which is November 29 either in hand or postmark that we send That parcel number two are going with tax attorney Gloria Rice Including the 2019 to liquid taxes, right? Does that make sense? Yeah All right Are you ready to vote all those in favor, please say aye. I John are you voting sure? Okay, yes All right, and he opposed hearing none. So say under we just voted to send that parcel to one two four zero zero two Gloria including the 2019 After the end of the grace period Well, did I didn't hear your motion? I'm so sorry. Well, you Did the motion and compass the other two tax payers as well to get there? 2019 I thought we were just voting on I just thought we were voting on this two one two four zero zero If you if the board so teams that appropriate you might consider making a second motion to bring in the Other two tax payers we have sent to her and motion to collect their 2019 taxes. No So let's do this motion first everybody voted yes now we need a new motion to Send what are the two thousand nineteen? The unpaid 2019 taxes of the other two Delinquent tax parcels and they are you have that For the same reasons as the first one outstanding in 20 well, it's a 18 and No response no plan So we can do it by parcel you don't buy parcel number are okay, so let's do these But the reason for that is it's Gloria Rice's as long as you have a motion to that effect Gloria says there's no reason to collect the 18s and then Right like the 19s and seven or eight months that that is actually that's not doing the taxpayer any favor because then all The nulls are all late The recommendation is then to make a motion to send parcel number 430054 and a 17610 2018 taxes and 2019 taxes if they aren't paid by the End of the brace turn, which is November 29th to the Delinquent tax attorney, Gloria Rice Their second second any further discussion all those in favor, please say All right, sorry Welcome So So Thank you for participating in this process with us and very with it very with us as we've worked our way through it It's been a learning experience for everyone. I think it's safe to say I have tried to my limited Technical experience knowledge be something of a translator of these different proposals received and feeding information to the rest of the select board so they could have an opportunity to Think it through And answer questions the best my ability, but now we're at the point where pretty much Used up all my expertise, so we thought that's time to bring And So thank you for joining I'm glad to be here. Thank you for having me Entirely happy to answer questions Try to keep the jargon It feels like to a minimum in my proposals, but I also do this every day So, you know that right a language barrier sometimes between even what I think is clear and What is received on the other side? One of the things that I just wanted to raise it's kind of a Thing for me for whatever reason when you met with Cliff and I in the office You were gonna go back to your office, and you're gonna look at some of the charges that we incur For I forget which time period it was Oh, it's the whole thing that was going on with the firewall Right you were gonna go back and look and see the charges that you that we incurred and Do a review of it just to make sure that somewhere along the way, and then I never we never heard from you my apologies I did go back and review and Unfortunately, I do this occasionally go back, and I do what I said, but I would do and then Totally forgot After we met I went back and I had a couple Sat down with Holland and we went back through and I Six months Yeah, so I don't recall exactly the outcome other than I I didn't if I didn't respond I didn't find anything but that Said that I needed to do something or or I would have certainly put a credit on or something I apologize. It was not that's not how I intend to do things to Say I'll do something and I'm just vaporized But I did go back to the office now Chat with Holland just to sort of go back through the ticket history and see Specific, but but I definitely did go back and I apologize for not reporting back I would be happy to sort of revisit that and You know, let you know. Yeah, send an email Yeah Well in the issue if I remember you Denise was a a System challenge or software challenge that took An inordinate amount of time to Sometimes right. I can't remember. It was like in June or July. I think that we met with you Yeah What the issue was around was the amount of time it took to come to a solution result of never can they're absolutely remember this issue and It was bouncing off our firewall and causing her computer, especially in systems to crash a lot and You know, right? It's understandable when you've got multiple providers and different systems interacting to Sift through it all and good, but yeah, that was the question was there an opportunity to Maybe give us a credit towards some of that work that was done so I'm gonna keep it a little general because I don't recall the exact specifics to recall the situation It was I remember it was painful for everybody for everybody We service more than one town and This issue was a very specific And I'm gonna be a little direct and 100% caused by the Snickered a little bit to myself when you said that numeric support fees went up Because what they did was they got caught With their hand in the cookie jar. They had really sensitive information that was completely unsecured on customer and they Somebody called them out on it publicly after having chased them down for years To properly secure the data and only when it went public did remember it suddenly do this knee-jerk fix and what they did is They said okay, well We're just gonna encrypt all of this data in place on your on your system Which makes total sense and is the right thing to do? except that some of you may have heard of ransomware and The mechanism by which ransomware works is it goes on to your file system? And it opens a whole slew of files and encrypts them and then closes them back up Serially so it goes file file file file open open open encrypt encrypt encrypt Close files, and then you can help me Well if it's ransomware you can't open them if it's nimrick you absolutely can't open them because you have the keys But the problem is that every modern antivirus system on the planet uses what's called heuristics and Heuristics is basically it stands back and it watches behaviors and it uses predictive analysis and it says Whoa, what is that program doing opening all of those files up all of a sudden and running an encryption? And it shuts it down And we went round and round and round and round like Smashing heads on desks trying to get nimrick to To do something different than this particular behavior. There's frankly You could make sure I could have done something a little different the way that nimrick stores their data is that's very fractured It's a whole bunch of files. It's not like big database that you can just wrap In an encryption routine. Yeah, it's like hundreds of files that are in this series of directories So in order to do the way that they did they had to basically behave like ransomware which We went round and round and round both with nimrick and then with our upstream vendor who provides which is bit defender Who provides the actual antivirus and heuristic engine and they kept sending us, you know Well, okay, try this and everything that they send Tipped like the nimrick was still tripping them up and this was this was Six weeks So why weren't they directly communicating with nimrick or were they Nimrick was not responsive in any way. They made the change that they made and we all just had to live with it That was that was the Base level outcome. Wow. So we had to work around it. So our work around for a while was we literally disabled any virus That's scary. Yeah, that's just not responsible And so So that's that's the background so there was and we did not charge for anywhere near the amount of time for any of the times and sites that we were doing this for we ate I bet we ate 50 or more hours any way chasing our upstream vendor down Communicating but it was just it was a nightmare for everybody So I should have come back with that report and I didn't But that is the background of that situation. So what is what where are we now update us? So never we have an exception in place for the nimrick file folder So never still hasn't done anything. Did there still be never anything they never wow, they never even picked up the phone Very frustrating. Yeah We're running on a platform that is not supported by anybody. Yeah, and and in with this Not to sort of pile on with nimrick, but nimrick lost their primary technician who was the guy who most of you dealt with on a regular basis and he went to another company So to I appreciate the explanation But it kind of takes a thing I think into another another Facet of what we need in tech support. So what you're describing Ruben there's there's nobody here nobody in this group and nobody in the town office team who is the the The hub for the tech knowledge, you know, that's the first time you saw the reactions That's the first time we've had that explanation and understood and you're sitting here in a solo vacuum Telling us that there's no one from from nimrick saying what hang on, you know Well, I mean you can absolutely You understand my point though, right now we don't have to believe me I totally understand where you're coming from and we did a poor job or I did a poor job because I was actually asked For this report and I didn't I didn't give it back. So so But you are delivering the information and you are the most knowledgeable person in the room And that would be true even if the entire lineup of town We're sitting here, you know, we're a crew on on Office around everybody. So what we need is somebody who takes ownership And takes it personally On behalf of the town. Yes, and and I think that's What what's one of the things that we were hoping to accomplish and in going for going out to bid is to have somebody who Stands in the shoes of a town employee and takes it as personally as we have to on behalf of our of our town. So So so So what are you doing as our partner to help us understand And What our vulnerabilities are find better solutions Maybe advise us on contracting around Definification clauses, you know this begs for an indemnification clause. It makes me want to say where's our contract with them What's in that, you know, because this is there's a lot of costs and Right now the town is bearing and I understand you bore some of it, but So where are you and where's your head in that? Idea of being that kind of a partner not somebody that we contract who says here's what my job is But somebody who takes it as personally as we do and takes ownership on our behalf because we don't have the skills or the Staff or the staff for the timer or any of it. I mean, yeah, it has to be a real partnership where you know People can understand what there has to do over a phone call or when they come in the office I think I've heard that there's been improvements in the communication, which we really appreciate But not just one at a time not just troubleshooting. I'm talking about for me. Yeah, I didn't get to finish So yeah front-end. Yeah, you know just to help us think ahead and look back and Help us to problem-solve what we might run into in the future. You know, so it's not just everything that's Wards in a contract, you know, you have to have that but it has to feel like it's Working together. Yes, and you know, you're our next-door neighbor and he's not pilliers. So that you know, that's important to us Well, I mean the relationship is far more important than whether we're neighbors. Yes, I appreciate that we're neighbors and that's great, but So it's a it's a good question and it's It's directly related to How our company is structure so I Started this company almost 23 years ago. It's was me myself and I and my basement And as we've grown My skills have had to change from being a really good technician to being somebody who Can impart in my team that exactly what you are asking for right, it was just me everybody had a relationship with me and Everything is personal to me. It's my name on the sign. It's you know, all of those things. It's Indirectly, it's my reputation on the line every time one of my staff Interacts with somebody in a professional capacity. It is still intensely personal to me It is intensely personal to me when somebody is unhappy with our work And we go to the ends of the earth to make sure that when we make a mistake because we're human and we're going to make mistakes that we make it right and that we Fix it and that we do whatever it takes to ensure that the relationship is is strong and intact at the end of that So I was specifically tasked by the select board to come back to the report and I totally spaced out That is completely my Sort of fallen on my sword. I'll stop falling on my sword about that now but but I do want to I do want to take ownership because Because the technician that comes on site was not tasked with that so he didn't report back I'm less concerned about the report than I am about the fact that it happened to begin with and I'm not Hearing that there's even a better solution on the table then so never for this particular issue There isn't a better solution to be perfectly frank Numeric strikes a really good like beating them up about using a foxtrot database, which I'm not real fond of and You know, whatever the bottom line is that their their value proposition is impossible to beat in Vermont municipalities in Vermont use them Rick because they Build a very big product it meets the financial needs of the town So it has the auditing you know all of those financial components that are really important at a price point that Vermont scale municipalities can pay so You know we can sort of I have my opinions about the tech under the hood And you know if it was me would I do something different maybe but I'm also not in Nimrick's shoes I don't know exactly what's running under the hood there other than from you know from an infrastructure perspective and This is this is a pretty common tension between the IT folks and The application delivery folks right the application delivery folks build their product the way that they build it And the IT folks just have to sort of Deal with it and it happens all the time, you know whether it's you know somebody says well You need you're gonna roll out great planes and it's gonna be this great You know financial database and oh by the way, you need a 15 or $20,000 sequel server That was not part of the project because the application developers That's not part of their thing may just have a database and bring it to the town and you license the product and then you go I need this to So, I mean we run into this pretty regularly You guys aren't talking about making major changes So that's you know if you were then we would certainly encourage you to let us know when you were considering because we can ask those picking questions Okay, what are the infrastructure requirements? Well, that's why we would depend on somebody like you to Help us with that because we don't know we don't know what we don't know, right? And we don't know what we don't know And so and so part of it is really building that partnership So one of the things that we do with most of our clients and interestingly me or miss the municipal clients Frankly select boards and think of More interesting things to do than talk to the IT folks, but we're happy to do it is On an annual basis, we'll sit down with our sort of primary contact And we've actually gotten pretty formal about this where we'll on an annual basis We do this sort of current state desired state. We write up where you are Very envision you going What the steps to sort of bridge that delta between the two are And what of those steps are something that you should be doing in the next 12 months So then you're talking about this year's budget and which of those things are things that are a little more fuzzy and farther out We're actually doing that as a matter of course And that's most of our customers We would be more than delighted to do that for you, right? Because that really helps us as you said because you know, I don't know what I don't know And I don't know, you know, we're planning budgets like now. We have this thing Oh, we need a new server. We don't have the money budgeted for that because we didn't know, right? So So that's really really hard to get out of that stance of being the company that comes to our clients with the next Multi-thousand-dollar problem. So that's exactly what the driver is behind that annual sit down is so that we're actually talking about 12 24 36 that's what we need Do we have that now so we need a new server but do as do we have that five-year window? I have a current state-desired state We don't know exactly how dusted off it is to be honest once you're through the server Then you're pretty close to done for a couple of years My recollection is that most of the workstations here are we just bought some, right? I think they're all Yeah, there's one that's yeah, we have a new one in the town of Raj. We have the public and laptop Think did Judy I think Judy got a new Holland right now in fact They're just did it for a state-desired state that I think we Sent to Judy or maybe we just developed it The server is the last piece and the server is the last piece. Okay This is all sounding very So this year has been a rough one, right Well, frankly because the Windows 7 thing came up and said right I don't care how old the machine is the machine's got to go and groups I mean you could Spend some money on doing in place upgrades on the machines But then you know you've spent some money on an aging machine, so the return on that investment is not great And that's foreseeable right how do we we started sending notices out about that last year And then just and it's been a year And it might be helpful for you for you because we don't know what you know and Planning helping us plan it might be good for you to initiate Gee, you know Cal select board is really interested in this. Let me initiate a Meeting so that yeah, I mean, I mean, you know kind of put it back on you guys because we don't know when I will Cheerfully come and sit down with the select board once a year The current state desired state. I won't say that's a great idea Then Denise too. I would say speaking for myself. I'm not at all interested in this And therefore I I ribbon have to go Forced myself on that agenda and sit down and make them listen to me and understand what they need to do Because that is my job. No, I take it that personally. Yep Well, I think we're saying the same thing. Yeah You said you find it really interesting. No, oh, well And the price you're interested in financial impact on the town right right at the end of the day Making sure that the staff has what they need to do the jobs. That's my big interest. How do you of course all the other stuff? Months of the update so we're Yeah, I would say We time this a contract renewal, but we have customers for whom we do it Yeah, several months before the contract renewal because that's when they're doing their budget So if you can put that on your very probably very long list of things to do which is probably as long as ours On the calendar. Yeah We have really good automated tools that save us from ourselves. Yes, they're all brains Yeah, I mean we definitely want to kind of develop a IT capital plan We want to know how long are these things good for a service good for a desktop is good for a laptop is good for Right, what are the vulnerabilities? How much is the next surprise going to cost right? Right, and then we like to do is have that be Few No surprises. Yeah, that way everything is everything That comes along You've already planned for right. I mean at the end of the day work work trying really hard to get out of the surprise World and be really proactive like it's everything to do with our service has been proactive Maintenance checks and all of the network health checks that we do it is to make sure that we're not waiting for something to go wrong Anticipating it and then the logical outgrowth of that is to help with the multi-year budgeting and and that sort of more strategic And our Auditors and there and I'll have to also send you an email when I find it I know where it's somewhere. I know where it is They recommended a couple of different policies And some of them are directly related to computer stuff so Do you do you have like draft or template policies? We have novel policies that we can send for like acceptable use in those sorts of things Yeah, something that there was one about Had to do with computer fraud or There's also something where Yeah, I'm on the board at the health center in Plainfield and we just learned the other night that The health center has that maybe our stuff is too small, but maybe not where they send out these emails and try to No, do you know what I mean to see if people answer the email when it's suspicious Whatever that's called Or is that something and but we typically don't we We're happy to do user education. We have services that we can use that will send Those sorts of test emails and they don't give those services away They're pretty proud of them and frankly some some You know a couple hours of user training goes a really long way that may be really Maybe good to have a valuable then Setting people up for failure Personally, I would prefer to You know here's so we've got Dave Porcelo is is our resident security expert Who's the guy who started Pony Express up in Burlington, right? Incredible security guy. Yeah And he we do security training. So maybe we could put that on our list. I mean, I'm not I'm not interested in And that would be the contract anybody up for failure But I am interested in making sure that staff and you know the health center has like a hundred right staff members So that's a way for them to Here there's only you know a handful So the health center it's that's a way for them to gauge their risk, right? And then they can sort of identify which users they might want right and then they and then when they have that somebody, you know Mistakenly then they do some training and they do training anyways, but then they do this extra training or directed for the right You thought for it and I think the auditor's reports. It's something about cybersecurity. Yeah So I'm interested and we have to come up with the town has to come up with some kind of a Policy I'll look and see what they the ones they recommended that you know, maybe you have templates for He does I would start with the league. Yeah, because I'm fairly certain that they have Policies for just about everything. Yeah, they have a lot of that's a good place to start. Yeah, we have model policies There are a little more to your toward commercial and you guys have different requirements around So I want to make sure that we didn't steer you toward a policy that was more Commercial and they and missed something important for you We could take the lead policy and look at our commercial policy and see if there's Areas see if there's I think that'd be helpful. Yeah, I would really I'm what I've Been wondering about ascending just is sending the audit report. It's public anyway to Ruben as part of the team and And you can come back to us and say here's the VLCT policy. That's a good fit. I found three I don't know if you want the whole audit room because it's pretty long But I can pull out. Yeah, the right section pull out the right sections where they recommended these different things Well, and if they're and if the VLCT policy is a good fit for us You can recommend it or you can say there's three tweaks you should make and you know, that's a Yeah, that's the kind of help that would be Taking the ownership challenge for us is that I I also want to be really mindful about how much time and your money We expend on things so I'm happy to do anything that you asked for But if But if the league has a like fully-baked policy then I would it's probably pretty good So you probably don't want to pay us to review it a lot because they've already feted it out And I find it unlikely to be honest that the league is great I find it unlikely that will do a better job for you And then and then we're gonna municipalities right as long as we're in a as long as we're comfortable What I'm looking for I'm just asking you to read it. I Would be delighted to read it right you know, I'm just I want to be careful about I don't want to run the clock doing something that may have Low value for you, right? And you know, I've been through a document 15 minutes Yeah So and then I guess just to back up because John I heard you ask if that was included in the contract the So that's that's a good question So we do a couple of things in our contracts you can have us change like holds that's part of the contract Probably not the best Yes, but we have we have purposefully We don't do an all-you-can-eat contract Because when you provide a buffet plan like that you have to be very prescriptive about what services are included and Inevitably what what I have found in the many years that I've been in this business is that People end up not calling because they What they're asking is somehow outside of the contract and results and overages So I don't like that paradigm at the end of the day I feel very strongly that those contracts send a set of relationship up that they're you're betting against each other If I'm providing a contract like that then I'm betting that you're going to consume less Then it costs me to deliver the service and your betting that you're getting enough in value Out of that contract to make it worth having and I don't like the dynamic that that sets up I'm actually very uncomfortable with that. I've never provided contracts because Because it's not a partnership at that point. So what we do is we offer block time And we sort of carve an hour aside and I want to do a network health check in that proactive stuff You can override it. It's your time We've got an extra name this month We'd really like you to just bag the network health check this month And we'll do it next month because we need a couple and we need an extra hour of desktop support And we don't want to have an over it. So you'll notice that our contract is a little vague in terms of what exactly is Included for services. There's not like a checkbox that says we will do these things because I want The time is really the thing that you're paying us for and I want to make sure that if you ask us to review a Model policy and it takes 15 or 20 minutes that we don't go. Well, that's going to be an overage And you know then Sanders got to get an overage approved and it becomes a thing So or or you just get bills at the end of the month and you're like So so that's my soliloquy on on how we structure and why we structure our contracts the way that we do Staying keeping in mind sensitivity of the proprietary nature of things you do and how you run your business maybe you could Share in terms that you're comfortable sharing with the select board the differences between the Perception agreement that we're currently under versus the one that you've presented to us The contract language is the only thing that's changed because we finally dust it off the frankly clunky language and the whole contract the delivery is Precisely the same The the only thing that is in the proposal that is not being done currently is the backup service But that's a separate piece of the agreement Well, you you have backups, it's just whether you want to send your data to our portal No, we absolutely you have backups and we tested them Something that we speaking of ransomware and all of that Backups is a real focus. You have to have good backups That is one of the things that we check when we do our monthly health checks What was cloud backups so price and I compare it in my simple mind To buying a four terabyte Remote hard drive and I look at the price of that hundred bucks now To what the cloud service and I understand you can access it We're on the planet and Mars, but but you know, it's like wow, it's it's really pricey So for one and we don't have just a regular four-carabit hard drive sitting at the office for all of our customers There's a really expensive set of gear that's running there. You're your own cloud Where our own cloud for the team and we do that again because If you send your cloud backups off to a data center somewhere and you have a catastrophic failure And you need your data back you have it minimum a 24-hour lag Usually it's more like 48 because you've got to get somebody somewhere to go get your data They have to write it to a drive like that four-terabit hard drive and then they have to stick it on a FedEx truck So there's at least an overnight delay to get that data once it's put on a hard drive to you Right, it has to be put on in a usable form and then it has to be shipped to you We keep it in our system in a usable form so that we can literally restore from that to a new piece of gear in our Building so you every time we have proximity to the data. It's right there We have redundancy on all the things we pay for absurd internet connections We pay for all of the bits and pieces we have backup power generator all of those things. It's like it's not a data center I'm not going to glorify this But for our scale we've invested serious money Into this service and we've done it again in a way that's maybe not the norm Because we've done the math and the value proposition and we've experienced the pain of some of these other methodologies and Decided that this was a better way to go So that's that's why we offer the Surface that we offer a metal a lot of customers may not even know that which is a really good selling point In our building yeah, we didn't know that. I thought you were charging us a pass through I thought it was just going I'm not a huge fan of pass-throughs either, you know, I particularly want to go You gotta do is hit the button before adding some sort of value. I guess but you know at the end of the day I mean, that's a really important point for people to know that that's what you do So yeah, it's one of those things that I clearly think is much more clearly called out I mean so, you know essentially we could Essentially we could get stuff restored in a matter of hours as opposed to a couple of days Correct. So the the slowest And you guys have a pretty small Scale server here, this is not like a serious piece of hardware so we could restore, you know, if your Images on our server we can restore them to another server in a matter of hours, right? theoretically So that's and that's Without going too far down the rabbit hole of backups, there's you know, there's your recovery Point which is how far back in time. Can you go right if the worst happens? There's the recovery time which is how long can it take for that restore process to get you back up and running And then the last piece is the data retrieval data archiving how far back in time Do you need to be able to go if something gets inadvertently deleted? So those are all things things that we talk about like in our annual reviews We just check in on those on those metrics and make sure that we're all It's it's like an annual discussion of your physical results. Yeah Yeah, here's what we found here are the things that we're doing here's yeah Here's what you should be thinking about and you're likely to need a bypass Or Some heart surgery about every four years Unfortunately I Think the other thing I Drilled down into all the details here with this like work But you had mentioned in the email to Sandra regarding the server that you want to meet to discuss ways that maybe we could save some money We definitely would like to have that discussion. I think Sandra and Judy are Feeling a little nervous because it might get you know, they're thinking of it's going to be too technical for us to make decisions But really I mean I'm happy to sit in on that discussion and then we can bring a number to the slide board No, you know, hopefully I can wrap it properly and explain everything to everybody But we would definitely like to have that meeting as well We have a quote on the server you have the quote on the server it's it's in that secure area Our shared form. Yeah, so we was welcome to take a look at it. Yeah already I Think those are the main points the other part of it would be Maybe in the discussion with Sandra and Judy to Needle out some numbers so we can have an informed budget For this yeah, because the replacement is this Mm-hmm, is this the right? Is this the figure I'm looking at? 18,000 almost $19,000 We don't have that. I hear you. I know I was making this quote up and I was doing my time estimates and I was like Willing it to stop climbing The so I Guess one piece just to sort of put out there quickly as I've been in this business for longer and longer. I've gotten more and more sensitive to not meeting an expectation Which means that if I give a number, I'm real sure about that number that we're not gonna go over it And my Our experience in our quoting for the last couple of years has borne that out We are consistently Consistently under budget when we do these jobs. I would much rather have the difficult conversation right now I would say it's going to be more money than you want it to be and Have that out And then come in and eat the numbers that we sent Then to give you an artificially low number and then have to have a follow-up conversation where I'm explaining why my Estimating was too low. Yeah, I mean we did you know We did think about starting a technology fund, which we did but there obviously isn't enough money in there We just use that fund by the Computers because the workstations, right? So that came up on you, right? This is where we need your help to plan to plan better for the Excesses and so getting the land recruits Because digitize land records and we just do that and I mean to be Over-simplified about it. This is not a super complex network So, you know, there's there's only aren't that many capital pieces in it So, you know really oversimplify you say everything that's here is gonna last four years So you take your four years add them all together divide by four. Yeah, that's pretty yeah That's pretty easy to do and that's kind of what that's that should be It's gonna go a little bit, but it doesn't go up 50% No Talking about taxes and stuff, you know, we're gonna test that yeah, the pressure is there. Yeah, totally understand It's not huge money, I'm just gonna be honest like there's not thousands of dollars here In terms of like sort of value engineering some of the stuff in here, there's there's not huge money to To squeeze out of this and can we is there a way to budget out a certain amount over a couple of years to pay for what we need The server job the short answer is no you really have to do it all at once And we've wasted the time I'd waste it's the wrong word, but we don't have that window to do it in two years. Is that what I'm hearing? I would not Close to five years old. Yeah, so so what you're five is where the risk You were worried about mechanical failure, that's what's going on. So here's my And they're not solid-state any these things you're still selling to all the state tribes don't even warn you when they go Yeah, so My philosophy about hardware is the warranty on most of this gear is three years Most of our competitors the sky is falling at day 366 on year three I've been in this business for a long time and my experience is that if it's run Reliability for three years it is almost certainly going to run reliably for a fourth year five is Where the actual risk for some sort of a serious failure in the equipment? Starts to tick up pretty sharply. So, you know, it's like One of those Graduated curves you don't want to be over here where it's not a matter of death, but when something really breaks Right, you you want to like ride it just a little bit Yeah, you want to get off of that ride before you have an expensive cleanup So with that you're heading into your five now, okay? Is there any way to finance the cost? You can we don't finance but we'll cheerfully hook you up with And and we don't have a broker relationship with anybody either, but North Star leasing does Leasing and you know, you can buy money from them and actually from a capital expenditure Cash flow perspective that took me a really long time to take my own advice But leasing is awesome Takes all of the cash blow headache away You do a three-year lease with a dollar buyout at the end the gear is yours You don't have to turn it in it's just done And that was North Star North Star leasing is a very well-known Vermont company You got that for the minutes Katie, right? And if you're clever then you make your lease payments in year four And then you've stocked up some cash labor to do whatever the next capital expenses And now you're starting to do it so then you know that'll intersect with your actual capital planning Right. That's what we need to do. The surprises basically are just you're not in the surprise Handling business anymore and part of your annual checkup with us would be looking at capital planning I would think right again, you know, right? You've got this many machines. We replaced two of them this year You've got three more to replace next year servers in year two You should be planning on X dollars, you know two years from now, so this quote that you gave us for $18,000 That's we're in I understand you correctly. We're in year five right now Believer sort of on the tail end of year four So would this be we would be looking at this cost coming out of our current budget then Honestly, or would we wait until after I Think you can make it to June July one at least we have a little bit of I'll double-check with Holland Okay, my recollection of the conversation that I had with him is that You could make it to June and get into the next budget year Yes, you know again We're playing the risk game But I the server is not exhibiting signs of impending to So, you know If it was showing So and they're not solid state drives which when they fail they just Say start making noise very see weird things happening. Yeah, so it starts to get a little slow You know you start to hear a whiny sound Okay Not always. Yeah, there's often there's like a little warning signs and logs Which we review on a monthly basis. So we should you know if it if it gives us warning You'll even still there's a distal you can recover from right as solid state you can't Well, we have backups That's right backups backups backups We'd all I lose the days worth of stuff. How can we back up? Well, and I if I'm not mistaken back up at like two in the morning or every day I'm fairly sure that this drive is nearer. So you actually have to It's only a risk if it's one of the hard drives that breaks and not like That's that's not the only moving piece in the machine unfortunately, so you know the hard drive is is the most common piece which is why we always put in redundant ones and we The proposal includes redundant drives and you'll be able to turn that redundancy down a bit At the cost of some performance But it's good to know that we could wait till July 1st, you know, maybe we say, okay, we're gonna do it Why first is it you can start Verify that with Holland Will sell you the pyrotechnics to blow up the old Make sure that I have my to-do list, so I'm going to What do you want me to do So do if you would like to do some user training we would be glad to do that and that would be Yeah, if that makes sense if you want to I just want to make sure that I Be good to see about that and it would be good for the road commissioner Yeah, I mean I'd like to know when you're when you're gonna do it if you make it during the day What you know board members would probably attend as well. I mean I look at home I don't open anything that looks the least bit and sometimes I delete stuff and people say did you get my emails? I know I thought it was But they can resend it right that's the magic about it. Yeah, it's right Right, they're trying to get you back on your heels So that you open something that you shouldn't and there's no reason Like the life like the fair point telling me that I'm at my max. Yeah. Yeah, I get that And I was wondering yeah, and I realized oh Delete If I really have a problem or the capital one chase fraud alerts Oh, yeah, yeah with misspelling The email address yeah, I'll get the address I don't get I don't get a lot, but that's fair point one I almost I almost did but what I realized is it didn't it wasn't pretty. It didn't have a logo. It was weird Yeah, yeah, I didn't I've got one. I've got the ones in love here. I didn't yeah We're the time you're at your you're at your limit Yeah, that's the one you give me at your limit. Yeah, yeah Yeah, don't fall for them. Yeah, right. So we're very fond of the phrase a healthy dose of paranoia Just be a little you don't have to like tinfoil hat it but just a little Paranoia is good. Oh, Paranoia was a long way Next time you see Greg remind him about that. Does he open all the way? He is the biggest cream pump there is you need to lock him out. Yeah You wouldn't be able to figure the old Dilbert cartoon where the boss says I just get Trying to remember how to and Dilbert says remember you remember what I taught you Okay, so user training we'll reach out and I will reach out I'll coordinate with you Find out the age of the server to make sure it's at the end of it's just beginning age Back to you Anybody else have anything I have noted you I noted that you talked about planning a date in the summer for there to be Okay, did you I mean you Have one of the town's computers and you had an issue and they helped you out You can be part of this conversation if you have any thoughts or questions because you're I would want to hopefully Everything went great with my computer getting its brains increased Yes So we will Set a time in the summer to That'd be really helpful Thank you. Yeah, and then so the entire thing is just that extended discussion about When we meet to discuss the server option Any other considerations that we should factor in My recollection is that You guys are having a tough year like everything sort of came to bear in this one year and it sounds like externalities Yeah Externalities to us obviously not to you right in terms of our service came to bear at the same time Yeah, there was like a stack up of expensive So Yeah, I totally understand that it's it's a tough place to be. Yeah Yeah, the money is not growing on trees. No, it's not Thank you All that thank you very much Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you And I will follow up this time, okay No, he's perfect nobody's right. No, my father is fond He was fond of telling me that nobody's perfect and you're a perfect example Yes Very good grounding humbling yes, it is at least you came out of the night when it wasn't snowing and really true Lot of character for us to do that. Yeah Okay Thank you What is this next thing the resolution you want you had something else Okay, I got this in the mail email, and I think you got it too, right? About this cannabis resolution it relates to Senate bill number 54 Which I didn't go in and read S54 But it is within the folder and VLCT is asking all of its member towns to Read the resolution and asking us to sign off on it. It's basically dealing with that Dylan's law problem. We're About the legislature's approval. We can't make an assessment so they could approve the sale Retailing of cannabis in our towns and state drives all this revenue. We don't have any say in the matter They impose that on our town So what I guess what I was going to put it on the agenda and John asked me to put it on so what is your Pleasure, did you review the resolution? I? Read it quickly. It's a huge research project to understand it and to you know what its implications are what the backdrop is But you know going back to the conversation we had with rooms the few minutes ago I think we pay we're members of VLCT. They do excellent work And we we need to let go and support them and let them do it for us Yeah, they don't they don't ask a lot of us They don't ask us to do a lot of things like this. So when they do I take them at their word Yep, I know Glenn no here and born and They do very good work for towns. Yeah so Talking about it a couple of different publications across the state and the general consensus is Like the VLCT is proposing makes sense Right as he gives us the opportunity if we have something like this in our town that we can get some tax revenues from it And you know VLCT is all about towns, you know managing themselves basically Working through legislation great. So I did read it I'm sure they'll keep us updated as the bill goes through the legislature So if you'd like us to be a part of the resolution, I'll need a motion make a motion Oh Well, the only thing is you know as once like remember I And as a person who consumes marijuana probably twice a year If I'm lucky I'm no problem. I want to have a huge problem the legalization of marijuana So I it to me it appears that it seems like I Don't wonder to Is what I find problematic from my step personal standpoint? The town that the town only supports legal legislation legalizing a tax and regulated Cannabis market that adequately addresses all the aforementioned. I Rather have it say any event at the state that without Supporting the legalization if and when it would have happened against our our best We can put some words in there. I don't want us to I don't want us to be I would like us not to be my opinion Not to pressure anyone. I would like us to not be supporting Legalization of commercial marijuana My concern is be quite honest is every time we have a large cash cow like let's just say IBM They're not here anymore They run that legislature they get special IBM got special rates on their electricity that we all pay for IBM has got a highway put through that we were going to pay for IBM Got this or their the current owner who's now sold again. I think Got a two three million dollar tax subsidy Because they're gonna keep them from leaving and then they left This is what happens. My concern is what will happen They if they legalize this is what they've done in every other state They then say well, it's a drug and it's bad Any alcohol drugs, so it's and you know we were concerned about addiction and children So we're gonna have this fund our education and we're in a situation right now schools are pretty darn expensive given the levels student Student population per capita is pretty high. So we get hooked. I'm not worried about people getting hooked on marijuana I'm worried about us getting hooked as Taxpayers as legislators as governors hooked on this revenue stream and then the other shoe to drop This is what they happen in Colorado. It's in the press right now And I knew this was gonna happen and I said everybody you watch They're gonna complain about the illicit market undermining them So they used to say if we legalize it will drop the value it will get rid of the The mob or the illicit people Selling outside of a system where it's tested and everything. Well, it turns out now. There's set their complaint is We cannot sell it as cheap as the illicit market Well, why don't you tell us that in the first place? So now they're more expensive And so now you want to shut down the illicit market right now with it not being legal if someone grew 10 plants in their garden and someone Sharon called the state police saying my neighbors got 10 plants. They'd say, you know, call someone who cares. We're too busy That's not that but if they what the state police from Colorado already came to our legislature a couple years ago and said They would recommend is that you dedicate a portion of those The revenues from this to creating a special police task force so we can then go and basically raid everyone's gardens Which is something they're not interested in now. So I worry about this Increasing police presence. I am so and we're and we're not gonna get rid of this once we get it. So where would you Did you want to make a change? Well, I would like it to be clear that Didn't say that when I looking for a signature If you want it, I mean, we can always put it on the next agenda. Do we have word version? Do we have one PDF somewhere? We can get it Right, we have a word version Let's let John do the strike. Okay. Yeah, do that. We'll just put it on the next agenda That'd be great. Just go into the folder and download it as a word document because it's in there I'll do that. Okay. I mean my I support passing a break I hate that don'ts a lot. I think it's awful and I think if they're gonna impose this on us and legalize commercial retail Retailing of marijuana marijuana products derived products that we should be able to drive a tax Well, and you know some other towns They I mean I can email back when we get our version done I can email it back to the LCT and there might be other towns that feel the same way I like the idea of taking what you're what you're describing is Let's take the politics out of it. You know, we don't have to have I would say we don't have to have an opinion Look, and I'm gonna ask you so you don't have an opinion. Yeah about what does or without supporting or opposing, right? Right, just if this is gonna happen Keep it to one page. Yeah, if you and then if we all look at it ahead of time on that Monday night We don't have to spend a lot of time Yeah, and just so you know if I'm at the state house and then I'm ever queried about this I strongly oppose commercial retail marijuana sale, but but if you write so much support people smoking marijuana But if you write something that's neutral, it doesn't have an opinion about it. That's fine. That's right. And other towns may Want to adopt ours as well. It's happened before. Yes Several times before we do pretty good job of that. So do you have to withdraw the motion? Yes? I didn't understand what the motion even was and it wasn't second. It wasn't that policy, right? But it was it wasn't second. Yeah, okay, so you're you didn't get a second. Yeah Thanks for your support All right That budget So last week I sat down Thursday And we kind of went over what you see in your binder tonight And you know a lot of these things we don't have a lot of control over the cost of the audit the cost of a server the You know some of the the dues that we have to pay so on So forth. I've also been working on a draft Warning, I think I sent it around I Didn't see it. I didn't read it that I saw it. It's very very draft and I've been talking with I Talked with the conservation Commission Planning Commission and Listers about what they need or would like to see in their budget That doesn't mean we have to grant what they asked for but this is their their wish list Conservation Commission is going to come up with some language To kind of go backwards a little bit to really clarify What the conservation fund if you look at the language in 1989 and in the warning? Whoever did the initial guidelines which was the current conservation Commission, but previous conservation Commission's Probably didn't really go back and look at the warned language and came up with these guidelines So anyways, we're gonna have to do that But that's just policy, that's not a right money. Yeah, so, you know, we're scheduled to meet on December 14th and January 11th, I think it is to do a budget retreat kind of thing December 14th So my thought is I don't know how what it's you wanting to meet on December 14th everybody is in working with Sandra and Judy and stuff like that on expenses You know, she's investigated for instance, we found out Nemerix going up quite significantly The charge for Cynthia to do the monthly audit That's really not gonna change much. So if you look at these pages and you look at the orange Which looks more peach to me, but those are the what Sandra and Judy and I talked about last week And you'll see the notations where we haven't put in some figures So you take a minute to just to look at that If we can come up with These and we can review the budget changes at a regular select board meeting There may not be a need to have a meeting on a Saturday No, I think it's too early to decide not to Well, I'm just saying I mean today's the 25th. These are in the folder. We can look at them online But we can take this no we're not so stable to see this. Well, they would prefer you not but I've taken mine home because I can't Digest at all. I'm not gonna sit here and digest it. Is that I'm trying to No, no, no, we can't sit here and digest it But my goal is that if people take and they really look at this We have questions Let's put the questions out there to say under our duty or whoever can answer them And you can look at the planning commission piece the list of peace conservation commission piece and pretty much Those are figures that those groups have given me that we've plopped in here And like I said doesn't mean we can't change them I'm just trying to see I'm just trying to find a way to better use time So can we take our binders? Oh, let's tell them that you're gonna take them home and they can just give you like tonight My copy of this was waiting here. Right. There we go. That's a good plan So that's what I'm doing so that I can look at it, right? Yeah, okay, that works that work. Yeah, and then maybe we can cut down on the you know extra time to spend meeting Or maybe the meeting will go fast. You know what I mean? I'm just trying to make a really good use right of our Everybody's time. She asked Sandra about online location because I know you discussed with her PDFs going in but not in a public location She said when she was here that you have a live spreadsheet. I don't think if I don't think she would bring to this You can ask her. Yeah, you could set up an FY 21 budget development folder in Google and Then these because it's gonna come through on color when they're in a Google folder could be in there. I Personally would rather look at a hard copy Yeah, I maybe I like both. I like to look at it for a while then I like to play with it and then there's some things You'll see that for instance town auditor them It's about the same We work the hourly rate Cynthia is not using as many hours of time as what we budgeted for so we're suggesting a Decrease in the line item from FY 20 of 6,000 to FY 21 of 5,000 I'm on page two See where it says Yeah, okay, that's the that's the monthly one that never doing the Cynthia Stoddard is the person doing it And you'll see FY 20. We budgeted six It's not she's not using up all of her hourly monthly rates So this is a decrease from 6,000 to 5,000 and then for instance, I think Sandra said she put in We increased for instance on the bottom of page three postage Because we know We spent more than we had budgeted that's a large part due to the mailing of all these absentee ballots Right, and you see that notation where it says to account for absentee mailing And up above when it talks about NEMRIC and computer DRA and there's an explanation I think she's done a really good job of trying to explain Why something has gone up or gone down and because I'm meeting with her Hopefully weekly probably not this week If you have questions, hopefully I can Be in a position to better answer them and you'll see our pay like page four CVRPC VLCT It is it is an actual number It's some Vermont solid waste and the county tax that we don't have an actual number for and those always come in Like right at the last minute At least the county tax on those Okay, it says taxes dues and assessment. No, I see I just said like it's so funny But on the other hand it's five hundred dollars So I'm just trying to see if there was a way that we do do it better and more efficiently So that's my We change we change for instance The way that we pay Katie to do our recording for us and for conservation Commission We're changing the way we pay the DRV recording person to instead of just saying you're going to get this much money a year We're going to pay that person whoever it is To do it the same way and they they meet so Infrequently that we should save a little bit of money on the recording first the recording secretary for the DRV Would we play the stipend to that person? Yeah Which is what we used to do with Rose You know we used to pay a stipend rather than an hourly amount and Katie I know she doesn't charge us for every single minute, but We've saved money you know in The way we're doing it for us in the conservation commission. Well actually and a second makes sense when you meet as you know Going back to the value equation the room was laying out on the other hand with the DRV when they meet so They'd be so infrequently so he'll you know, I don't know. I don't know if it's the same going to be the same person But we're gonna pay them consistently with the way we pay Katie Which is like a fair way to do it, right? You know if we're doing it for conservation and select word Then they should get paid the same way. I I appreciate the Let's take it home study it ask our questions I would I I Still I would if we're gonna drop a meeting I would say let's keep the 14th and see how We do I'm just yeah And you know me after that we may say we don't need to meet in January Sure We are a little behind schedule Sandra has things so well Where I know it's maybe right where I'm where I what I really want to look at you guys know me is I want to look at the Bottom line. What does that look like right? We haven't even talked about right. We haven't even talked about salaries What does that mean right and then and then still all the questions we were asking left here when we have a sense of the whole thing then What are the hard choices, right? That's really and that's what we might have to do on the 14th Well, we might have to do that either at a Depending on what other budget stuff what other items there are it seems like there's all kinds of stuff that always pops up Right, maybe able to do it at a regular select board meeting So that I think what John's saying Wrong, we're not meeting every single Monday night that we particularly have because I'm coming in Santa's putting this stuff together and then we can share it and say You guys all right more time. I'm probably spending as much time on it as Or but So maybe not more though if you're if it's just you kind of working with Sandra's how it feels more efficient It does yes, and when she puts in these explanations, you know, if I don't understand what it means I'm coming Anybody else I'm gonna either All right. This is good. Thank you, but I would like to we've never had you know No, this is I mean this is great good process and I'm getting you know copies of stuff for instance like from central Monterey's no planning Commission sent a letter saying that Their rate is going up five cents per five cent increase per capita. So we know what that means Literally nickels and dyes, and we get such good service What does that mean five percent per capita five cents per household? I think Five cents time 1600 Yeah, okay. That's what we do. All right. All right. We can probably Not five percent. Yeah, no, no, five cents. Yeah, and we you know, what are we gonna do say now? Say thank you, right Then we get really good service on that. We're very lucky. They fight all the grants. I mean that there More or less self-supporting. We just chip in a little bit around things. I would like to go into Executive session after I do this other update $80 five cents from 1600 so pretty reasonable In the end's capstone roads project we should it sounds like we should have a pretty soon I can't go to their presentation in Burlington on December 4th. I'm gonna be at a Ordnance enforcement training session for the fourth to be lct. They're they're presenting it to their groups and then You know the pie makes me tweaks and then send it to us. So I'm assuming we'll get this report sometime in December I'm hoping to have a draft of our Select board report By December 9th, I don't know if I'm gonna make it. I'll do my best This is usually where I enlist Rose and Katie's help with highlights So you ladies can help me out with that. I would appreciate it. Yeah Maple corner store is gonna come on the night the new owners So that we can It's the prospective owners the right the new perspective Purchasers to they have to have their they want to get their local licenses in order So when they close they can immediately start Yeah Word them so they're transferable. Are we allowed to do that? They're not transferable, but we are allowed to approve them ahead Yeah, really because we I've been emailing back and forth with Anne-Marie and Judy and The liquor person at the state level Serent to stay closing end of December mid-summer mid-summer to end of December. Yeah Okay, okay Thursday December 5th 7 o'clock East Montpelier fire department quarterly meeting and this is where they will present us with their proposed They have to remember it's proposed budget for FY 21 and then as per What we've been doing over the last many years we then meet with the East Montpelier select board To discuss their proposed budget of the fire department And Bruce called me and said could we meet with them? The East Montpelier select board being them on Monday December 16th, and he said he would put us down at whatever time we wanted. I think they started at 6 30 or 7 That's their regular meeting night. Yes, I think that's a regular They meet at the first and the third. Yeah, the other meeting night is different than us. So I think last year They came here Is that right? Yeah Because I remember the fire department not liking our decision So I just I need to know from I mean to my calendar So to homework them with Sharon and everybody else Can you make it to the meeting on December 5? I'm gonna have to do a special agenda And are you available on the 60 to meet with the top players? So if you guys could look at your calendars, I mean for me it would be seven or seven You know seven fifteen Straight from work. All right. So Rose is okay for either for both me and just yeah Yeah, seven o'clock And Katie are you available? I need a double check on the fifth. I can do the 16th. Okay I'll get back to you. Okay. That'd be great. Thank you Memorial Hall folks are not ready to come and talk to us yet. They're Still doing Stuff because don't forget they have some requirements in that letter that we did back in March of last year of Things that they need to do In order to access the conservation funds that would be paid out over two years So they need to do that they're supposed to set up the committee already, right? They're we were supposed to have representatives on right so some I'm saying is they're meeting and they're not Obviously meeting on a regular basis and we don't know what's going on Well, they were so hard on going planning process. They were supposed to come to the board with I don't think I brought the letter with me tonight. I usually have it If you look at the March and was March 18th of last year letter There are certain things that they're supposed to do as far as setting up a committee to While you're finding that to me, so I think that I think John this is one where it's not a town property And we've got good people. We need to we need to be careful about Getting offended that we're not involved but instead and not saying that you were just the case I understood our condition the condition of a letter Yeah, I think the letters in the folder Yeah, I mean I look at this letter song so many times You go to the print screen you can flip Opportunity review and comment first I would have an opportunity to comment on the conservation of preservation easements And I've reminded Chris and Gus and Jan and Mary elder Jacobsen about look at this letter there are things you guys need to do and they assure me that they will do them To review the final easement language to ensure the public purposes Disbursement would be 20,000 20,000 10 and then also one of the biggies is they're supposed to Set up a committee which includes Members of the conservation Commission to look at I think you got to go down this a little bit more clip I can't remember it's called some kind of a thing. They're supposed to set up There is they're supposed to come up with a management plan So they've got stuff to do and they know it and if you know When they come to us if they haven't done what they're They've been asked to do in this letter No If they haven't done what we've asked them to do in order to access the money that we'll just send them Back to do what they need to it's pretty simple. They know I feel like I've you know Kept in contact with them and reminded them several times So on the property tax issue my understanding is they're going to be pursuing Legislative change Yeah, and if they're successful they would just swap out because it's right now that property per property has historically been Legislatively exempt Statutorily exempt from property taxes. So there's no burden on the town like when we exempt properties here We have to pick up the education fund So they just want to basically assign their current status to the organization, right? Yeah, yeah Right great So yeah, so that's what they're doing and they may or may not Get that approval. They've made so anyway, sir. There was just so you know, they're working on that too And I've been in contact with prodding them just a little bit because we need to know And it would have to go on the town warning If we want to exempt that much For this year. Yeah Well, I know legislatively, I know yeah, because I mean I should let us to the printer in January, right? So anyways, they're they're aware of it. I keep Asking them how are things going? You know keeping tabs on it a little bit Well, yeah No, I just feel like We we probably wouldn't want to make those exemptions for this year Well, I mean that the town tax would be Small compared to what the school tax would be right and as the building gets renovated right now I don't know what the value is we'd have to ask the listers But as the building gets renovated and the value goes up There's a bigger percentage of waterfront. It's already a high value property as compared to the right So when it's all fixed up exempted properties, you know, the value of and the tax dollars is going to climb, right? So it's just something to see know what's going on Yeah CD Fiber They were coming gonna come tonight, but good thing. I didn't so I switched To the ninth and I just heard on the news that they got a $60,000. Yeah, or 66 60 or 60 stay We have more people using our internet on our road and we're noticing Anyways, they're gonna come on David Healy is gonna come on December 9th So if you have any questions that you want to think about you knew they wouldn't be here, right? Right. No, I can't pull them and say can you come on the ninth instead? Okay, because I thought it might take a while with room in which it did Yeah Track accordance Alfred and I still have to do this. It's not I haven't forgotten Just a reminder about the budget and morning meetings No, we don't want a meeting on the 23rd, do we? Oh Good I'm having a part of the night if anyone wants to come. It sounds good. Caroline Pye Caroline Pye? Gwiffson. My name's not Caroline. Can I come? Okay, town office just a reminder is closed Wednesday, Thursday, Friday remember they were open on Veterans Day, right and they swapped it out Um Minutes and then I'm gonna go into executive session, please. I didn't have a chance to look at the minutes. I did they looked fine I didn't have any changes Don't be earlier They were we could breeze through it quickly Usually, they're really right on the money Mountain Tamers, that's always good So any commissioner good So what any administrator you're you're zooming too fast There was no zooming No, but there was nothing really like there's nothing dense in there that we have no slowdown did we get that one right? No, and Katie did a good job with The audit presentation stuff Which was pretty straightforward and that's all in writing So we never approved the maple corner current liquor license that they know no we never did that because Find it Did we get our records back from my healing? What if the white healy had some records of ours? I think the last time I've asked Jennifer a few times and it's questionable whether they got it all Whether or not he even kept very good records So does anybody want to make a motion? I'll make a motion to approve the thank you going Yeah Very healthy fun. Do you have a very healthy fun balance? Oh, there's the stuff for what else is thinking about for Bennett. Oh Fraud policy, that's not accurate the state employees It's teachers I think that Fred said that They keep saying that keep pushing us together and they're separate Except for I got a letter saying that They are having some issues and are They might $37 billion they might take Money out of our like I don't know how they can do it because they've already agreed to my retirement I think it's going forward reduce the benefit They've been saying it for years David. Yeah, I don't know how they can do that to somebody who's already signed the paperwork It's a contractual issue. It sounded like they were they were looking to maybe take money Out of my retirement check, but I don't see really how they can do that But Bridgeport Connecticut did that but they filed for back Okay, so rather than spending a lot of time on this is a you wanted to prove them or what? I'm going to change it to just say flag to look to classy noted that the state employees blah blah blah So it's clear that he said that or yeah, yeah, yeah Or take it out if it's on the state I mean, it's just wrong. It wasn't a big part of the conversation in any case, right? It wasn't it wasn't Yeah No, I mean teachers has been on the phone is been in trouble for decades Sins of the fathers. Yeah Okay, so make the motion to approve the minutes John already did I think there was a second. We're just waiting to vote Allah's in favor place. Yeah, I I and he opposed Approved with that change doesn't know that you will do All right now if somebody can make a motion to go into a second of session to discuss personnel matters At 937 yeah