 Jason we're happy to have you today. Thank you for having me I'm so excited to be here and to kick off this new initiative from y'all I'm truly blessed thank you so much for having me. Yeah welcome so Jason we'll we'll just get right into it and we'll just start picking your brain on your creative process so what has been inspiring you creatively these days and what have you been playing watching reading or listening to lately? I've been playing a lot of Super Mario Odyssey and a lot of a lot of Nintendo Switch this year Super Mario Odyssey is my current favorite right now but I threw in a lot of hours in Animal Crossing and I've been playing a lot of a lot of older Super Mario titles Super Mario is 35 years old 35 years young this year so I've been playing a lot of his older games on the Nintendo Switch like Super Mario Brothers 3 Mario World and I'm really looking forward to the upcoming Super Mario 644 re-release one of my favorite games of all time so a lot of Mario and a lot of old game-dead videos. So when do you feel the most creative and how do you handle creative blocks? When I feel that big burst of my aha moments with creativity it usually comes through after like days or long hours even weeks of maybe tormenting myself over like a specific idea that it may have about something I want to approach and I get my aha moments at the most random times but usually I've been trying to channel a lot of that creativity lately because it's really it's too easy for myself like me to plug into like maybe I can't do something or I don't know how to do something I've been trying to step back a little bit approach things with a clear mind to figure out how to do things creatively because like listening to I've been listening to a lot of a lot of old-school rap a lot of New York old-school rap so I've been listening to a lot of music and I've been taking some walks around like take a like walk around my complex and allow myself time almost like pacing but rather than pacing around the house I'll take a walk maybe around the block or while listening to music removing myself from my environment to allow myself to think about something away from my usual space and usually that provides me that I'm over a contact that it may have to like reeks of honestly just sort of struggling with how to approach something creative I feel like a lot of the creative that that output that happens is a lot of maybe it happens in here you know and then finally I have the moment and it comes out so usually allow myself some music time and like rather than pacing around my home stepping outside for a little bit and maybe just taking a walk around the block even if it's just like back and forth on one side just giving myself some distance from my normal everyday environment so we had a bonus question that wasn't included in the questions we sent you and we wanted to know what was the last song that you listened to oh my goodness okay so the last song was actually a Whitney Houston song that randomly played because I was just searching through old 90s like rap and r&b and I was just I was just I just typed in 90s r&b 90s rap and just like different genres of music and a Whitney Houston song popped up and I listened to it it's from the movie The Bodyguard and then now YouTube is like slowly like slipping in like Whitney Houston which is fine I'm totally down for it but it was a Whitney Houston song I don't remember the name of the title but I'm pretty sure it was from the movie The Soundtrack of The Bodyguard that she like started and created the whole soundtrack for way back when it was a huge hit yeah old movie it's funny how YouTube just like and unexpected buries you deeper into the hole you're in yeah it either knows what I was listening to it with my mom when I was a kid which totally was Whitney Houston um or you know I just wanted to scratch it itch I didn't know I had so I'm down I'm always down for it did you sing along I know all the lyrics actually that's the that's no no like some of the songs like that's why I want to look up the titles because like the the actual lyrics are played in my head because I'm serious like I grew up in Queens and uh my mom and I and my family would visit my aunt in Staten Island and it's a 90 minute drive from Queens to Staten Island in New York and throughout the whole entire I remember one summer it was just the Bodyguard soundtrack playing over and over and over again so so when you say that you joke but my brain auto completed a lot like most of those lyrics I was just blown away by how much I remembered but also more correlate like how I was vibing to the music so that's awesome that was a great story earlier earlier you mentioned like you're watching some like game dev footage and uh like I saw some game dev footage like when I was watching this documentary about the worst game ever made the the ET game and they're showing like Atari in the golden days and it just looked like such a cool time to be making video games with like a group of people and uh yeah now I want to ask you about some game dev questions so can you tell us a little bit about what you do within the game development world for my my role essentially within game development is providing a platform for people that don't have a voice to have a voice putting a spotlight on them making sure the industry is paying attention to what's going on and then having that dialogue amongst everybody and then moving forward from there that's that's awesome man so you're like basically a producer you're like PDD PDD of I'm a naveler of opportunities yeah that's like people need that you're creating those opportunities try my best and I'm not alone but I'm trying my best yeah no I think when you do stuff like that you inspire other people to you know to step up to the plate um so do you have like a favorite thing about your job about like your what you do in the game dev community yeah I think it's looking at all the upcoming talent and seeing a lot of the great games that are being developed you know like for me like going on twitter and maybe hopping on a hashtag uh for maybe like a game jam with some sort of creative virtual creative environment that people plug into um you know there's so many community efforts from around the world you get to see like people creating games at the Uruguay and I'm like whoa that's really cool like you know you get to see how game developments handled I get to see like how it's handled in Brazil so like I feel like I get a first look at where it's going just by naturally paying attention and then you know my favorite part is seeing those people that are doing the hard work and seeing a lot of the great games that are being made and then and and taking that and and then seeing that as like an opportunity to present it to the world like that to me is like that that's just the best because you know I could be I could be paying attention to it all day but if the industry and the the community and everyone that loves games at large doesn't know that Latinx people are making video games and we're making great games like you know for me it's like what's the point so I just love seeing all the cool stuff coming up like there's some great stuff being developed globally that like you'll be able to see a lot of that a lot next games festival but I'm telling him like there's some good stuff coming really unique stuff yeah that's awesome I'm excited to see it um you kind of talked about like how you got started in game dev but was there a particular moment or experience that made you realize that you wanted to pursue game development kind of like an origin yeah so I think a lot of it was born out of playing video games and I was really young and then I would finish them and like in the 80s and 90s the credits you would see like game designer and it would be a lot of the games are made in Japan but they never really credited the the creators so it wouldn't be their names it would be like what would look like gamer tags right now there were just a bunch of nicknames uh and I was always like who's making these games like who's making these games so um uh I'm a little older so like I grew up reading magazines video game magazines I didn't I didn't go on the internet to like on youtube like it is so amazing on my phone I had to like read video game news and then interviews of game developers that was like months old but I used to live on that so like that sort of planted the curiosity the seed of you know game development like how do you do this um but but really a lot of it I think was born from the PlayStation Nintendo 64 Sega Saturn where they made the jump from 2D to 3D and there was more the internet started booming so there were more conversations around how these games are being made and it was that time period that took the curiosity I have had as a youth sort of like slowly getting a peek behind the fourth wall of game development to outright having like even though it took like a long time to download like a one minute trailer of a of a video game that I really want to play or an interview from a game developer of a game that's coming out like next week you know we're talking late 90s so to have like that information with this big tech not like technology shifting games also going through like a globally transformative experience with the internet during that time was like okay not only am I armed with the knowledge I'm totally curious how do I do this so from from then on it was just always like slow steps with like my career or whatever I was doing at the time I feel like it was always slowly building every year like a season in the series going toward like that end goal and that end goal is what I'm doing right now which is Latinx Games Festival to me this is always like essentially what I wanted to do but a lot of that was born out of the curiosity of flipping through magazines and the internet and the big tech shift that happened in the late 90s and I just couldn't undo it what were some of the games that inspired you early on I grew up on Atari which was a hand-me-down for my parents so I played Pac-Man the 2600 edition probably buried along ET for Atari 2600 out of the desert I'm sure because it caused it helped cause the big crash of the 80s almost killed the video game business and it took a while to recover thankfully Nintendo came in and essentially saved it with their arcade games and then Super Mario Brothers and that ended up being a big hit so that's what essentially like influence me was old Atari and then seeing that jump from Atari games the Nintendo was like almost a similar scene like the 2D the 3D jump I just started seeing more colors I started hearing more like like more sounds there was just more more more creativity more story it was just a lot of more but also like the games themselves found they were just great these are the timeless classics that people still play today with Super Mario Brothers Legend of Zelda Donkey Kong Metroid these are franchises that are strong and live on to this day so really it was like early Atari got me going but I think Nintendo is what really made it like like truly inspired like my love of video games so how has working in the game industry affected how you play and think about games well I think for a period of time I was so invested in like getting started uh to break in into video games I stopped playing them for a bit and then there was this like sort of almost unspoken of joke where I would go to an industry event you know maybe it's at an after party or some networking situation where you're talking to people and then you know I was I was new in the game I was green you know I was trying to break in and add all these questions but one of my icebreakers was who gave you a plane and then either it was followed with laughter or like a chuckle like I don't play games only game I play is whatever I'm working on or whatever I'm tasked to whatever is part of my you know my publish like whatever it was there was a whole lot of like and cynicism or like I'm not really playing anything and the guy I kind of had that a little for a little bit um but so like I think break in it it didn't change my it changed my love of video games but it didn't change that I love video games I saw like a lot of people maybe like couldn't look at games objectively anymore and had like a chip on their shoulder about it because like game development is a grind so one of the things I always try to do is just remind myself that like I love video games and to play them so uh if anything it just changed the way like I think about the business end because like if I look at a really great explosion or I hear like a celebrity speaking on thinking like well how much did that cost uh it was our conversation of like you know like like what got cut to to to get to this part of the story or like wow how did they get there what was the storyboard look like I started thinking of like how how did they put it together uh but what one of the things they always try to remind myself is that since I love video games is to just get lost to them and uh don't don't constantly remind yourself all the game development tricks that are used to present this fall in love of what you're experiencing just allow the experience to wash over you so like like they change the business part of it totally and I can never undo that but I always I not run by myself I just dive into video games and remind myself that they're just really cool and to play them and enjoy them uh to never forget it so it almost almost changed it almost took my that part out for like nah especially not in 2020 it switches the hero 2020 with all of us you know with lockdown it was like the MVP this year yeah how did lad next game start like you mentioned you know why you got why you started it but how did it start I guess what is that story so with latinx games festival and here's the thing with that like with latinx games festival I wanted to buy a ticket and attend the festival like I would talk with people over the years of like would it be cool if there was just like like you know you have like your e3s and your game developers conferences and your indicates like especially out here in la you have like all these really cool gatherings of of creatives that kind of like specifically focus on that time of the year like this is what we're spotlighting and I always thought like wouldn't it be great if if there was a way for us to get together and I want to buy a ticket to that so it ended up turning into like loose conversations with people until like hey like I'm going to do this I don't know when but you know I'm going to do it and as I was co-organizing games as color I started to learn like essentially how to do this on your own without a major support system you know like how do you do this how do you find funding how do you get the support how do you source out of any how do you do like all the work to have that one or two days where you have that gathering of people and you know essentially just started out of the out of realizing like it wasn't going to happen unless someone started doing the work you know so I started doing the work but I was also just busy with you know my my existing business and you know like all the passion projects you know just overwhelmed and busy so it was always like something in the back of my mind I was secretly hoping like someone else is going to do this and I'll be able to just throw my support in that way right um but um my wife and I we we were looking for a place uh outside of New York City um so what we were doing for a couple months in 2018 was we were essentially Airbnb in different cities and we knew we would end up in in Los Angeles uh so we're Airbnb in different places there we ended up in Long Beach uh first day in Long Beach and I was we were looking around and I went off by myself sort of like on an adventure to see what was in Long Beach because I grew up with it in like music and music videos in Long Beach sort of I have different I had like a different image different perspective perception but I was like hey Long Beach so I was like let me just explore and I was walking around and I bumped into the museum of Latin American art I bumped into Mola and yeah I had Mola on my dream list but probably unattainable like venues for a Latinx games festival in my mind I was like that's a dream venue I don't live there I don't even know how to start that conversation but boy it would be great and I put it away and I started planning for something very smaller and very different a little more direct and then when I saw that as we're in the middle of finding a new place I was just like time out time out done done you found our place I found my venue and and that was it and it just felt so right and it felt like just it was it was just perfect even it was just a complete accident it was perfect because it was what I wanted I didn't think I can get it and I was just going about my own business still sort of planning for this in the end I end up bumping into the venue that ended up posting this event so you know it started out of like necessity and then a want and then it happened out of just like beautiful circumstance and then everything just fell together with the sponsors like Nintendo and Xbox and Amazon Games and Unity Niantic and everybody coming through you know to like make this event happen it was it was just a really beautiful thing but when I saw it and I started turning you know like turning the gears on it it was like full speed ahead and you know it was just like blind and speed from that point on but yeah it was just a lot of a lot of back-end work for a little bit and a beautiful circumstance. Why is that so important to you? Because every year I do this I always discover something new about how communities exist and how we it coexist in a space and one of the things I wanted to do when I when I came out here was to find a place where I felt I can exist and like plug into I wanted to kind of easily just plug into something and not have to you know like do all this work but um it kind of almost goes back to never feeling like I had a spot to fit in anyway so you know a lot of it was really just driven by wanting to make sure that I was able to have a community and then find all see all these different community members sort of doing stuff and getting them together you know like I don't want to I'm slowing because I don't want to say selfishly because in my mind it's I just really wanted to see this right like I really wanted and needed this to happen and so some of that is driven by like what I see is the obvious there's a lot of people doing great work get them together boom yeah three things happen and also my need and want for like where's where's my crew where's my you know where's my circle who do I vibe with who do I connect with out here so maybe it's a little long winded a little like branching out from the original question but like it's really just driven by like my my wants and the obvious needs of the community and those two things meet usually when I'm very driven and the community is very driven to do hard work thanks so um I guess this is kind of a opportunity for you to share what you have coming up on the radar for yourself I guess you have a game jam of some sort coming up is that is that so we have so we have in partnership with Latinx in gaming which is a charity organization that's focused on also uplifting and highlighting Latinx voices they'll be hosting a game jam that we're partnered up on so we'll be using our platform to showcase a lot of the great work that the community is doing and and looking for like hidden gems that don't exist yet to spotlight for our upcoming festival which is Latinx scene festival should be the second year virtually online of course that will be on November 21st or 22nd three days before that we're going to have a career fair which right now our sponsor is right now we have signed Valve um you may know them from Half-Life and Steam you know Small Indie Company and then we have Niantic and we have uh we have Playdate which is a really cool that it's from Panic they published the untitled Goose game it's a really it's called Playdate it's a really cool portable that's like a hand crank and it's a really interesting like like game development ideas that people can play with so like um you know I'd love to see what happens with that but we have a lot of support editing into our career fair which is on the 18th and 19th and 20th we have more partners to announce soon and for Hispanic Heritage Month for the whole month we'll be supporting the Unidos Game Jam um which is um happening throughout the whole month of Hispanic Heritage Month so um we're looking forward to seeing what the community creates and we're really looking forward to enabling people opportunities to um get hired get funding or at the very least get noticed we'll be having portfolio reviews during our career fair so from November 18th to November 22nd is Latinx Games Festival but the content presentation the panels the workshops roundtables uh speaker spotlights games all that uh the Latinx game awards that we're having that that'll be on the 21st and the 22nd so what are some of the challenges you faced in shifting your focus to like online platforms figuring out how to actually do it to be you know to be just keep it like the tools are super accessible accessible you have twitch and like really you know like I can use my phone as a media like manager and I get that that itself is the producer and everything to have a great live professional broadcast you know like it doesn't take much but like I'm not a streamer my a lot of folks on my team you know they don't stream so we're really good at like in real life conferences so the biggest shift was like how do you how do you do this we do how to do it but it was like how do you present what do you do in the meantime because we felt like we had to do a little bit more than just the festival also just to test our bandwidth for a live stream presentation so we did some smaller events um to get our feet wet and understand just what this looks like and allowed ourselves room to grow and some and to take a lot of learnings from those smaller events so we can take that and pour it and pour all into the festival coming up in November but really it was just the biggest shift was like okay how do how do we how do we do it now we have we know what we want for content we know what our presentation will look like we can be really creative and keep the festival special while also experimenting with smaller events so just just just going virtual was the biggest like how and then once we figured that out we knew exactly like what the festival in November will look like we had a very clear vision of like okay now that we had that experience we know what we want to do so it took us a little bit to sort of figure it out but like when we had our aha moments kind of like uh step out and pace around for a little bit when when we as a team had our aha moment of our experiences with doing this virtually like what November will look like at all everything just started falling into place so long story short actually going virtual yeah that's awesome because I think even when things open back up again you could still do like virtual sessions to to you know open the doors to people who don't live in Long Beach it forced us to do things we should have been doing anyway which was thinking beyond Long Beach but since we had to organize in a real-life festival you know you're really focused on getting that right but now you know due to the pandemic it forced us to think differently and creatively and we can't undo those learnings and those learnings are being poured into like our presentation this November but also how we move forward and reach out to more people throughout the year so it ended up being a really good thing you know a cool thing in the end awesome so we're gonna shift gears a little bit and ask you some Long Beach questions uh what are your favorite places in Long Beach uh what are your favorite places to eat I like going to Mola sometimes there's like food trucks outside there so that's always cool too um I've been on seabirds I've been ordering their fries and their watermelon and kaffir soda uh so like I'll go over there and get their fries so like uh or their um avatacos their their beabreaded avatacos or their kimchi taco uh so like I've been I've been on seabirds and then um yeah there's there's a variety of ice cream pizza places around here that are that are that are fun I haven't really like eating out as much lately but um when I do it's usually seabirds nice I haven't got to try seabirds yet but I'll check it out it's fun so what would you like to see happen in our city in regards to a game development community so you already started the Latinx games but do you have any ideas like what's going to happen after that if you continue to expand I mean I guess at this where we're at now would be like getting back into Mola when people can safely get together right so I would say that would be the first step and then once we get there thinking about how to grow it and what game development looks like here I think with like you know with the Long Beach Public Library doing their thing and then with the Mola being invested in and and the arts of you know like not just Latinx game development but like Latinx creativity and then Latinx games festival focusing specifically on Latinx game development I feel like Long Beach already now has a lot of these strong elements co-existing working together communicating whatever it is in different ways the the the gears are moving on all ends and they're really strong so I think what's going to happen over the years is as naturally the youth of Long Beach and I feel like Long Beach is a super creative community focused town anyway as as we keep doing our thing and then stuff starts to open more where the people at Long Beach can like attend you know like our festival or attend something that's happening at the library or attend something that's happening at Mola um a lot of a lot of our effort and energy and a lot of that gathering is going to build into like a really booming creative I wouldn't say game development focused town but like gaming is going to look different in like 10 years right so like I see I see a middleware tool like immunity less as a game development platform and more of like a open canvas for creativity right it doesn't have to be video games maybe use it for an art installation maybe use it for a presentation for school maybe you have a hobby or a vision and you start using these tools to tinker with as digital Legos whatever it is I start just I'm seeing I'm thinking that the work that we're doing as long as we keep doing it and we can start getting the folks of Long Beach connected whether that's virtually in real life the more that happens the more people start thinking different creatively and then on the game development and that on the game development and that different way of doing things creatively will allow them to utilize game development like I was saying before is like a canvas like a tool for creative expression and I think when that happens we could really see not just unique games but unique thing just unique creative forms of expression being done within Long Beach utilizing game development tools so like that to me is like secretly and suddenly like my biggest like hope is like we keep doing our thing we'll just enable young creatives to do things differently because eventually these game development tools just like they're being used now they've been used for movies TV shows in light of different standards for filming these shows and movies and with COVID and everything a lot of 3d effects are have to be used a lot of middleware tools got to be used to to to fill in the gaps of this so like I just think it's going to enable a lot of people to be creative and then eventually allow them to either just be creative and tap it as a creative outlet or flip that for a career in whatever specific discipline they happen to utilize as a hobby so long story short if we keep doing our thing for Long Beach Long Beach you'll keep tapping in and over a period of time we're just going to have a bunch of really cool creatives doing very different things that you and I and everyone here we came to think of right now and I'm really looking forward to that we're almost at the home stretch we just got a few more questions for you so do you have any favorite games created by Latinx developers that you want to shout out I have a few um but I'll take this all right I'll take this up I can name a whole bunch I'll take this opportunity to spotlight a game that I really love it's a virtual game it's available on I know it's definitely available on PlayStation PlayStation VR I know it should be available on Steam it's called pixel ripped there's two versions but there's a version of it out right now called pixel rip 1995 and what that is it's developed in Brazil and what that is is it's a it you play as a young person in the 90s who loves video games and since it's VR you're you're the kid like in your bedroom with your you know whatever the in-game version is of the Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis that you're and virtually you're playing a 2D game in the 3D environment so you're looking around and you're seeing like your bedroom the posters you have in a while and your bed and where you're at but you're actually playing another video game and then that video game that you're playing breaks out into your actual 3D environment so if you're playing like a really cool 2D game that's an actual 2D game like on a Game Boy or on a fake game or on your television whatever it is when it bleeds out it's a real world you have all this amazing 2D action happening in your virtual augmented reality that you still have to like look around and play it is a fantastic example of what you can do with the virtual environment while still utilizing like core gameplay mechanics like like you know sound 2D gameplay I may almost all love 2D games so to me it's like you can't lose right but like that is an amazing game so pixel rip 1995 it's a sequel to pixel rip 1984 it's the 80s version of that this is the 90s version so there's a lot of in-game jokes and references and when I spoke to the game developer her her experience and her inspiration making this game was actually like having a dream of like playing a Game Boy in class and then having the Game Boy game break out into the middle of the class so not only does she have to like pay attention to school and not get in trouble by the teacher because she gets caught playing the Game Boy she gets in trouble but she has to solve the level and the boss level which is now broken out into a reality and that's an actual level in the first one that's how you start out so it's a really cool game look up the trailer pixel rip 1995 and pixel rip 1984 fantastic game I don't think it gets enough credit or attention so I'm just going to take this opportunity to spot like that and say like if you have a PlayStation or a PlayStation VR or you got a PC that can run it go get it because it's a great experience at the very least check out a let's play of it really cool idea for VR and just like a great video game flat out Latinx or not great video game sounds like an amazing concept um what advice would you give to someone who wants to start making video games and how would you recommend they get started this man I don't want to sound dismissive or sort but like make them like start join a game jam find a discord with the community if you're in Long Beach you're lucky to have a lot of these cool institutions doing stuff with game development tap into what they're doing but the most important thing would be to to get started right like I mean so many a lot of people and I speak to a lot of people that like are they love the idea of game dev but then there's a lot of work that goes into it you're utilizing bitsy for your program coming up right so like bitsy is a great way to start um if you're brave there's unity not brave but like there's an asset store within unity an epic that you know you can buy pre-made stuff just get started tinker with something look look up on youtube like how to make a game use an easy to start middleware tool to to get started but you know get get started with moving something left to right get started with the creating part just just get started and then you know since there's a lot of efforts going on join a community join a game jam create something but just get started and it will be frustrating or be hard but the end result is always rewarding and that's where the fun is right like and if you can get through making something move and making something work and you can make a game or you can make an experience or you can express yourself now in a different way so just get started just get started can you share a story about a memorable library experience oh my goodness okay so the the first one that comes to mind was i was gosh i think i was six or seven and i had a book report that i had to do and this is like in the late eighties early nineties you know there's no there's no google there's no cell phone i can scream into like give me the answers to everything none of that so i'm tasked with doing a book report on jackie robinson and i'm like cool how do i do this so we were told go to library and like i i actually never been before i knew what it was i knew it existed we had one in our school but i never went to like like the the time the public library like the town one right and i remember going in there um and speaking to the librarian and um looking at all the books i was so small in the library felt so big and i grew up with uh a cyclopedia like the a to z is cyclopedia so i would always like put through like r what's in r what's in z so like to me i was just like i knew there was knowledge in books so when i saw like essentially like a house of knowledge i was at first i was over one but it was more like wow like to me at that point i might as well been walking into like a toy store because i i i didn't love reading i wish i could read more now i mainly re-liking dev books or like you know online articles but when i when i saw all those books i was really excited so when i found out there was just like like there was a couple of books in jackie robinson and i was just diving into it i was like this is incredible because i just thought it was really hard and when i tapped into like that wealth of knowledge and i realized like okay anything at my fingertips i can find out it's right here it felt it felt at home and um and then and then my like so so doing my first book report on jackie robinson and getting all that like getting all the information from the from the library was and being helped out and just feeling like like it was a great environment to learn and also just remember like being quiet and not really hearing that type of quiet before and feeling like a a vibe and energy of people like really focused on what they were doing and sort of like not knowing what that was but being able to plug into that energy too and like focus and be excited about it um that's definitely like like a really cool early memory of going to the library and then getting the library card and i say library because i'm from new york so to me it's a fruit um people give me a like you know crap for it all the time but like i think when i got that card i was like this is like essentially like the key to unlock all knowledge um that you know with the internet and then like seeing like what y'all are doing and and how how the library could be like a source for not just not just books but like like a place to get knowledge and a place to be acknowledged and a place to form community and to really learn and plug into like what your town's doing and to nerd like to be nurtured um while being also i think available resources especially now and like i think the the there's a thirst and quest for knowledge that goes beyond what do i find on the internet and i actually think a lot of people have discovered rediscovered like not just like books but like like the library is a source for um community development and uh i'm really excited about like that potential because i never really had that before but i just had like that that i don't know if people get that with books now but like walking there and just seeing all that you know it was it's really overwhelming as a kid but then like when you pass you get a good grade and you learn something it's like whoa like you understand the like the power of it and then for me seeing what y'all are doing with game development it's like oh like to me that's like that that's the perfect experience for a kid so i cannot wait to see over a period of time what kind of influence y'all have with what you're doing it's different from the question how i felt but like i said thinking about what i would want as a kid what y'all are doing is what i would want like as a kid so like i can't wait to see like what kind of long term effect that has on this community and everything but long story short all those books all that knowledge and i passed and jackie robbins cool so you know one of my earliest and actually favorite memories as a as a young person so where can people find out more about your work and your upcoming projects you want to you can you can follow me on social media on twitter instagram um i'm on vega pedia v e g a p e d i a vega pedia on the internet and all the socials and you can find out more about latinx games festival at latinxgamesfestival.com we have links to and videos to like our previous work and panels and shows all the information about the speakers and games that were featured our sponsors who we're partnered up with and what we're doing with them and of course all of our activities and everything for our upcoming festival on november 21st and the 22nd with our career fair being on the 18th 19th and the 20th all that information and more at latinxgamesfestival.com um pop in and support it and if you're if you're watching this from long beach you know it's it's it's it's online from long beach with love so hope you all come through and support it and if you have any young people that are really interested in game development and want to know like how to get started or what to do or to hear from people that are doing great work at latinxgamesfestival.com we're going to have all that and more so hop in there and get everything you need and uh you know i hope you all hope you all come and tune in should be cool should be cool like said i'm biased but should be cool latinxgamesfest.com festival.com okay so thank you so much for joining us today on web chat wednesday uh chris you want to you want to take us out take us home thank you again thank you to the viewers watching this and see you next time for web chat wednesdays thank you all so much appreciate it