 Who can understand English? Can you raise your hands? Okay. Who can understand Spanish? Because we'll have both. Tendremos ambos lenguajes en esta charla. I'm going to talk in English, and then Fred is going to give his testimonial in Spanish. Así que yo hablaré en inglés, y Fred luego va a hablar en español su testimonial. Así que this is a bilingual talk. Así que va a ser un poco de bien. My name is Karen. I am from Women's Technology Peru. I work at Bermont Source, and this is the unicorn talk. So I know that it's important for women to get into technology, and this is a talk I wanted to get out there to encourage more women to do something in our industry. So basically, where does the name come from? It comes from my first days at Bermont Source. I was talking to one of my colleagues, female developer, and we were talking, yes, I do project management, but I also code, and I like, I do troupon, and I also do Ruby and things like that, and she was like, oh my God, you are a unicorn. You are not supposed to exist, you know? And that's where the unicorn name comes from, and I'm supposed to, I was challenged to have a unicorn hat for this talk, but I couldn't get it, so sorry. That's my Twitter handle and my Drupaloric name. If you want to contact me, that's my email as well. Like I said, I work at Bermont Source, which is a very diverse company. There is so many women in there, and from all ages, it's great. So my story begins where I bet most of your stories begins if you are female, I know. Where you go to college and university and you look around in your classes and find out, oh, there is so many women here, and this is not something you think about when you choose your career, it's not like you think, oh, I'm going to go into a male-dominated field because I'm a warrior like that. No, you just choose because you like it, it's your passion, and day one on the classes, you find out that there is only like six women in the room from 30 people. So you decide to, you know, like you're a warrior, you can take it, so it starts getting worse as you go up in the semesters, and finally, when you get out and get a job, sometimes you are the only women in the team, or when you get to the tech events, you are one of the only 10 women in the 300 people attendance event. So this is my story, this is why I got into this cause, you could say, this is my cause, I wanted to make for more women to get into these events to feel safe, to feel encouraged, so they could participate and be more visible. And this is why we decided to form a community, we started as a community, we are now going ahead of that, but we started as a community, and we did the first women branded event in Peru. I know this is a thing in the United States and Europe, but this is not so known in Latin America, and two years ago, this was the first we did in Peru. We didn't think it was going to be like that much accepted because you know, the first comment you get from the guys is, is it only for women, why cannot participate, why is it pink, you know, things like that, but we got around 70 people attendance, and it was really good. The main commentary on this event was, I didn't know we were so many, you know, it's good to talk to other women and to talk about discuss the confrontations we have at work or how to solve the problems we each one have. So it was a good first experiment, and we decided that we needed to do more of that. So that's how women in technology Peru was born, and I'm going to give a summary of events we've done, so you can get an idea. This is the first women in Drupal event we did in 2014. It was done, it was really funny because we decided to do it on a Saturday and then one week later we found out that Drupal camp was on that same Saturday. So we decided to join both events, that the guys from the Peru community were all passing through the classroom because they wanted to meet girls. It was funny. I mean, they also helped us do the installation because it was sometimes, you know, per computer it's different and so they help us a lot. But that was the first one. And so on the right you have the women in Drupal event we did in Bolivia. I'm going to talk more about that later. But we also have other technologies. We not only do Drupal, which I'll talk more about. But so the first question that comes to mind is, why is it important to bring more women into our industry? We know we are low on the numbers because we see them. I mean, you walk around and you can walk across many guys but not so many women. So why is this important? I don't know if you're familiar with the programmer culture. Brogrammer, it is the macho programmer culture. Alguna es familiar con la cultura de los programmers, los machos y los desarrolladores, no? Okay, so I'm going to show you a little bit of Dutch culture just so you can get your rage going on. This is, I don't know if you've known this site. This is a site that promised you to teach you web development by watching videos of women that get their noses off. So I'm going to show you a small video just so that you can get the idea. I know, so what's the first thing that comes to mind? This is a joke, right? This is not supposed to be real, right? I mean, I guess the guys who created this startup thought of it as a joke first and then they decided, well, no, it's about a business model, right? We should go ahead and do it. So it's an actual business if you go and Google it. So the thing is, why is this acceptable in our industry? Why is this not something that gets shut down, basically? And what can we do to make it different? And this is what the whole movement of getting more women into technology is about because it has become so mainstream that it's not only on the tech industry, it's getting known across all the different areas and media, so this is like a cover that was, I think, last week or a couple of weeks ago on the news week and basically repeats itself. There is a change that needs to go on, right? Something needs to change. And it's not something that only happens in the adult or professional business, but it gets shown across also educational, instructional children, for example. So this is an example of a Barbie book which teaches that women can also, the girls can also be a computer engineer by telling them that if they want to program, they need to involve their male programmers friends because the Barbie is not good enough to go on her own. So things like these slips through the cracks. Sometimes we don't see them, but this is something really important because girls who read this story are not in an age that can judge whether or not they're good or not. So this basically propagates the same stereotypes that we have currently in the industry. But talking more about serious reasons why it needs to be changed is the rise of the she economy which means that women are getting more and more power to purchase or acquire products in the economy. And what happens if more than 50% or the growing power that decides which products to buy isn't involved in the process of building them? So you have an issue where you're building products for to cater or to market to a particular industry or sector and it doesn't sometimes have the same vision. It's not aligned. So that's one of the things. And also it's because it's important to have diversity and I was talking with Nick about this yesterday and he would mention this example of in Drupal Beach they went to heard about the constellations, how they inca saw the constellations in history and it was like usual traditional cultures see the stars and they form pictures with the stars and that's constellations. But for the inca culture it was the opposite. They didn't see the stars. They saw the black spots or the dark clouds. So they actually saw images in the dark areas of the sky and so it was opposite than the traditional. So it is important to have these different approaches or different visions of things of the world. And so I did this quick review of the speakers in the Drupal Con. We have six sessions lead by women from 36 sessions I got. So around 17% of the speakers are female or sessions lead by female. So it means that this should be around 50% or at least 30%, right? This needs to grow up more. And so I encourage the women in the room who haven't given a talk probably in the future to try to do that as well. So I'm gonna show you a video of why this is economically important. Not only, you know, on philosophy, why? So it's a great opportunity right now, right? If the number of jobs in the tech industry is tripling and we don't have enough workflow, workforce, it means that there is an option for us to grow quicker and accelerate our professional growth, right? If we get more women into this field as well. So we need to encourage outreach not only to women who are already in the industry but to schools and high school girls who are about to choose a career. So they can also think of the technical field as an option for them. So what we've done on with Peru is basically we focus on four pillars, four columns. We do tech training, we do teach them how to code, HTML, drew up another technical field. But we also focus on networking and entrepreneurship because sometimes we need that human side as well for us to connect and collaborate. And we also do outreach teaching kids how to code so they can embrace a new culture basically. This is the prayer that started it all. We went to Kahanmaraka, which is in the mountains of Peru, teaching for a whole weekend girls how to do their web pages. Mind you, this is an area where the internet is not good so we had to do a lot of offline processes. But so there's the girls doing their mock-ups or their wireframes for their sites. We've also done startup weekends, events where they're encouraged to fund their own tech company which is also important because the tech funders, they're not main tech funders females so we need more of them. We've also done Rails girls, I know. We've done the women tech makers which was the first big event we did. We had over 300 people attending. We also participate in international panels like in Grace Hopper. And the problem that we are doing right now that it's the first one we are doing. It's eight weeks, we are teaching high school girls how to do web development. It's an eight week program with three times a week classes where we teach not only HTML and CSS but who go through the whole arrangement of how to program, how to do Arduino and get their first line of code out there. So those are the girls getting excited because they got Hello World on the screen for the first time. We are also doing activities with kids teaching them how to go in scratch and how to play games that help them see a picture of a more logical perspective. And also we do Women in Drupal which is events trying to get more women into our community basically. This is the first Women in Drupal panel we had in Drupal, Pichu. This was a great opportunity to get the world out there that the Drupal community was encouraging women and welcoming them into our sector. And on the right, this is the event we did in Bolivia where we talk a workshop and inviting women to learn about Drupal and get their first website up and running. What's important on this is that not the women that come to our events are not only technical women, sometimes they come from the marketing side or the journalism side. And it's important for them to be as welcoming as easy to teach this workshop so they can get their own website going on without having to do a lot of coding experience for the first time. These workshops are aimed at getting the basics done, the site building and putting the theme out there so they can get at least started with a basic configuration for their site. So main point for this is don't stay silent, do something. If you think we are in a bad situation or we can improve a lot, I mean do something about it. If you wait for someone else to do something, nothing will get done. So that's what we learned. We were talking about doing events for women for two or three years previously before we decided to do something. So my encouragement for you is to do something and also to raise your voice because sometimes when we are in a team that's full of other developers that have a more competitive attitude, it is easy to stay silent and not share your ideas, not share your thoughts. This has happened to me and other women that I've talked to where they have the typical horror story. They were in a meeting with managers and their team and they were discussing how to get a solution, how to implement a solution. And they gave an idea, they were just starting, they shyly gave their own idea of how they could fix the problem but she wasn't hurt. Like everyone ignore her because she's just starting. And 15 minutes later another guy says the same thing and that's the solution that gets decided on to try and implement. So it's important for us to be more confident. When we propose solutions, when we share ideas, when we share thoughts, we need to be confident in what we do. Even if we don't really feel it inside, there is a saying that says, fake it, do you make it? So you need to do that exactly. So sometimes I joke that it feels like we are battling with dragons because the guys can be so demanding and they have their own culture and they're different bonding than us. But it's important to be as well as a strong person even if you don't feel it really inside. Try to fake it and feel secure and confident out there. So there's a name for this and it's called imposter syndrome and it happens to everyone of, well not everyone but most of us, for example, I'm an introvert even if it doesn't look like it, I'm an introvert. So I have trouble with this. I battle with this every day. You have no idea how much it took me for me to stand up here and talk to you and present and share and this is how I convinced myself to go out and do these things is because I tell other girls to do it so I cannot be shy and I cannot stay silent and I cannot do nothing because if I tell or teach to other girls to do it, I should do it as well. So and it happens not only in the tech industry but it also happens in other areas and I don't know if you know Lupita Nyong'o, she won an Oscar, it happened to her as well. So it is important for us to get the support of other people telling us that the work or the ideas we have are important and we need to share them with the world and that is why I have my co-presenter with me which is Freddy, he is an amazing guy. He was the guy who brought me into Drupal. He brought me into the mid-apps and he is also the guy who helps us in women engineering, all you prove, encouraging us and preparing the curriculums and everything we need to do. So I'm going to ask him to share his testimonial of what he thinks from a male's perspective of why this is important and this is going to be in Spanish, so I'm sorry. Hi, yeah. Entonces para mí dejar las cosas para mañana si no importa mucho hay cosas que uno tiene que a veces hacer. Entonces, advertencia, este es un poco utópico, loco y un poco de cosas así. Yo soy un poco loco, no muchas cosas locas, me tides, pero bueno, alguna vez cuando yo estuve estudiando cuando estaba estudiando en el instituto me hablaron de Drupal para hacer webs y yo preguntaba qué es Drupal y no sabía qué era Drupal. Después al tiempo me hablaron de Linux y empezaron a hablar un montón de términos y cosas más que me imagino que muchos de ustedes se han encontrado. Okay? Y entonces uno empieza a buscar en Internet contenido para aprender o para entender. Y entonces se cruza con un montón de locos que dicen que hacen eventos, charlas, comunidad, que hacen talleres atuitos, imprimen libros y todo lo hacen free y se reúnen y los fines de semana van a una provincia e intentan difundir con más gente esto que los tiene medio locos. Y entonces uno se pregunta qué cosa es esto, y en qué uno se está metiendo o incluso para los que han venido primero a este evento dirán, oye, hay tantas cosas aquí que hablan cosas raras, quiénes son, toda esta gente que habla sobre cosas que a veces uno normalmente no está acostumbrado a escuchar y parece como si uno dijera, esto se ve raro. Y entonces uno termina cayendo en una especie de cosas emocionantes y lo quieren ver así, intensas. Encuentra gente uno que les sorprende y a veces uno piensa si esto es real, ok? Pero al final uno termina siendo feliz. Yo mucho de lo que sé o lo que he aprendido lo tengo gracias a la comunidad. Básicamente eso cambió mucho mis perspectivas desde muchas maneras, conocer mucha gente de diferentes países, culturas, mucha gente de este mundo open source y de la comunidad en sí, es como una fantasía, pero aún uno lo termina siendo feliz. Al punto que uno termina viviendo de esto y es, haces su vida con esto y trabajas en esto y lo que comenzó como un hobby terminó siendo tu manera de vivir. Y entonces intentas invitar amigos, amigas, a gente con quien compartir lo que estás viviendo. O a veces algunas personas te dicen oye, qué es tu fin de semana que estás en cosas raras o qué estás publicando en tu Facebook, qué es eso de Drupal, qué es eso de PHP, qué es eso de enseñar programación. Y entonces, amigas si tienes amigos y como estudios informática también tienes amigas que estudian contigo que son poquitos como he dicho Karen y las invitas, no? Pero en un salón normal de programación en Perú casi todos somos hombres y a veces somos un poco rudos es decir, que somos un poco demasiado testosterones, ¿no? Y muchos de los eventos que hemos hecho antes de que Karen empezara a participar eramos solo hombres y no habían chicas y las chicas que habían a veces iban y se asustaban porque incluso el lenguaje con el que comunicamos el cómo trabajamos incluso en el trabajo mismo a las chicas las tratábamos bastante diferentes si lo quieren ver así. Entonces, en el equipo incluso cuando yo conocía Karen, trabajaron en Drupal la primera vez que la conocí el equipo damos todos chicos y Karen era la problema en ello y para nosotros Karen no programaba porque en Perú se asume que las chicas no programaban por más que estudien ingeniería solo hacen QA o clicks y ya está y entonces bueno, como que le dices bueno, ya eso lo haré cuando pueda y después descubres que ellas también quieren aprender o hacer más cosas y entonces uno empieza a intentar cambiar las cosas tienen que mejorar de alguna manera y entonces empiezan ellas a hacer eventos a reunirse, a juntarse y muchos de los chicos que estamos metidos en esto de la comunidad y en estas cosas fantasiosas del open source y de crecer juntos e intentamos apoyar desde donde tenemos y entonces se han hecho muchas cosas durante los últimos dos años que hemos estado apoyando las chicas y la pregunta que siempre me hacen porque es raro siempre que me dicen a veces en algunas presentaciones cuando ellas no pueden ir y entonces la gente me mira raro porque piensan que de repente puedo hacer que ello estoy en algún tipo de trastorno pero no es eso, simplemente es que me apasiona el tema de poder aprender y crecer entonces uno evoluciona y quizás uno lo ve distinto cuando se vuelve padre de niñas entonces ahí la cosa cambia un poco y entonces ellas o ellos te preguntan, tus hijos te preguntan en que trabajas y vuelve la misma pregunta qué es lo que estás haciendo y vuelve lo mismo como les dije, papá que es Drupal papá que es Linus, papá que estás haciendo con esa gente y entonces viene el tema de querer acompañarlo a uno siempre los niños quieren acompañarlo y contigo y todo lo demás o incluso te quiere ayudar porque a veces no sé esas cosas suelen pasar con los niños y entonces uno recuerda este mundo un poco agresivo y se pone a pensar qué tan buena es la cultura o el entorno que me rodea si es que a mi hijo a mi hijo o a mi familia le termina gustando el tema de la tecnología entonces igual uno piensa siempre en cambiar las cosas a mi me gusta contarles a mis hijos cuentos antes de dormir o me gusta contarles historias porque pienso que eso los motiva y les desarrolla la creatividad y entonces yo me imagino que cuando ellos estén más grande como todos tendremos preguntas y haremos lo mismo si tenemos alguna duda buscamos información buscamos algo que nos diga cómo comenzar sin los como ayer yo soy nuevo en Mac y estoy tratando de instalar algunas cosas entonces busco en internet y encuentro algún post algo que alguien hizo que yo puedo hacer o que puedo replicar y para mí es importante que existan historias de este tipo para mí es importante por ejemplo que hayan historias como la de Karen la de Andrea la de Steph la de Jessica y entonces eso hace incluso que la gente se motive más a sentir que no es una realidad extranjera o que es una realidad de otro país sino que son chicas que viven en la misma realidad que muchas de las chicas de ahora son en Perú y entonces sienten que no es tan lejano o tan distante hacerlo o aventarse o decir bueno conocerlas y entonces ocurre algo mágico ahí que es como que yo te puedo presentar Steph o la puedes conocer entonces este tema de tener a veces ídolos de barro o el estar que está muy lejos se disminuye y eso hace que la gente sienta una empatía un tema de crecimiento y entonces hacemos un montón de cosas locas y ahora bueno le estamos enseñando a niñas a programar y para mí eso es súper emocionante porque es como que sientes que de repente no estás cambiando todo el mundo pero en el ecosistema o en el entorno que te estás moviendo estás creando una cultura diferente quizás que en algún momento estas niñas cuando estés más grandes puedan ser ejemplos de otras niñas como lo que están haciendo Karen estas niñas le enseñarán a otras niñas y yo espero que eso pase con mis hijas y entonces yo me imagino que Mika se preguntará que cosa salvadora es esta por el tema de lo que yo no me he pido en todo este tema y quizás igual con miedos y todos se lance y descubra que no es tan imposible hacer algunas cosas y un bonus track como esto que les contaba yo me gusta lo que están haciendo las chicas y intentamos apoyarlas los chicos que estamos metidos en el tema para que hayan más historias de estas más chicas se motiven eso nos asegure a muchos de los padres que estamos metidos en temas de tecnología y tenemos hijas que el ecosistema en algún futuro o poco a poco sea más diverso y la diversidad nos ayude a todos a crecer y bueno como no nos pudimos esperar empezamos a hacer cosas con niños y estamos haciéndole enseñar a los niños a programar igual con la ayuda de las chicas con los chicos y bueno, es otra historia que en algún momento les terminaré de contar pero es muy emocionante como termina todo simplemente empezando a buscar y encontrando gente con quien conectar y con esto las cosas empiezan a cambiar gracias Freddy so yes, he jumped up the rabbit hole so what can you do if this is important to have what can you do and how can you improve our own community first thing is to start a small to start even at all and to join powers with other people and this is how it's important to have a team it's important not to do it alone it's important to talk to other people who have already been down that road to get information of how tips and recommendations how to do it and this is Veronica with she decided to do Women in Drupal event and she wanted some kind of guidance because she was so afraid of public speaking she was not sure to be able to do it alone and so I said to her ok let's I promise to you that I will be there so whatever the day that that Drupal camp in Bolivia it's going to be just share it with me in advance and I will travel to Bolivia with you and we'll do the workshop together and you'll see it's not that difficult it's going to be fun and you're going to enjoy it and you're going to be able to teach more of this and share more of these workshops and so we did the night before we were still working on the slides because you're always working on the slides until five minutes before the presentation and she was she was scared to death and I was telling her you know Veronica forget about this let's forget about the workshop tomorrow let's go have let's go and eat have dinner talk about it laugh about it there's no point in worrying about now because there is going to be issues there are always going to be issues you are not going to you are not going to be able to resolve everything right now you cannot imagine all these scenarios that are going to appear so we'll just deal with them as they come just put your armor and grab your sword and we'll fight it together once we get there so the main question that once comes when we start doing these events is do we do it only for girls or do we accept boys to come and this is the old dilemma because you want more girls to come but you have limited space and if you open it for everyone sometimes the boys can take more space and you want to encourage women to come so it's like a circle and the answer we have to approaches right the first one is we do it for everyone we put a lot of pink in it like the registration landing page everything is pink and pink and girly and boys just gets scared of that it's like pink will kill them so they decide not to participate or decide if they really really really want to go there so that's one of the approaches we have the other one is with the one we started with okay you can come a boy can come to the event but please invite a friend and that friend needs to be you know one girl's friend so she can learn with you as well and that was especially helpful when we just started because war didn't get out as quickly that we were doing this kind of events so as always our friends which are mostly male they get information much faster and they also want to participate so this encourage them to bring their friends, their girlfriends their sisters, cousins another thing is like freddy said the guys in the community are always always willing to help you so if you think that this is going to be a greater greater task and you are not alone please, please, please ask for help we are not supposed to we are not supposed to stop doing something just because we think we are alone this is the guys in the bolivia community helping us set up the computers for the servers this is the guys helping us in the python camp this is the guys teaching us in the ruby community every community in the technology is willing to help you especially, especially in the durable community so don't be afraid to reach out and ask for help even if you just want to ask for teachers because you may not feel like you are ready to teach you can also ask for someone else help and you can help them facilitate everything that's a good way to start the important thing is to start so what needs to happen right now you need to raise awareness of Drupal because most people know about WordPress and other platforms out there but not everyone know about Drupal so especially through with the female gender so you try to reach out to them and teach them about that so make sure you market your events or your workshops to that particular to that particular sector that they need not be from the technology industry just overcome the fear not everyone is out there to troll you they they are considerate people so if you make a mistake like if you are doing a demo and I don't know the server crashes or there is no internet people you understand that so it doesn't have to be perfect you just have to do it so always money always helps right so there are ways to get funding especially if you are just starting alone or with a small group first option is crowdfunding the community is always willing to put their own money in there I don't know how to say this in English but at least in Peru we would say that chanchita so you can get enough money to at least cover coffee breaks or like they need to have group subscription things like that you know it was really really really great to have the support of the community in the first time also reach out to companies because there are companies that want to get they are also caring about the diversity so you can reach out to companies and you can reach out to universities for the education so and there are also grants the group association has grants for encouraging these kind of events so if you feel like you need to have more money to support you in your event please ask for a grant and try to do something at least what we are used to say in the we maintain all of you Peru group is that we are so used to bootstrapping I cannot tell you how much money I want or what I want you tell me what you want to give me and I will tell you what I can make with it so it is not the best way but we've been used to that and so it's always important to start with what you have even if it's just ten dollars you know maybe that coffee break is not that necessary to have in your event so during the women in Drupal group where women all around the world share their stories and they have communications about things that are going in the community and if you have a local group that's dedicated to raising awareness to this issue also join it participate and if you say that you don't want to organize events there is also options that are not not necessary for you to start the group you can always mentor someone there are always people who need help or encouragement so you can always mentor your friends and try to get them to be to achieve a higher standard of what they think you can also volunteer for many of the events or many of the organizations from groups that are already doing something so that's also important I cannot tell you how many how much work there is in organizing an event or organizing groups there is so much going on all the time if someone volunteers just to move stuff from one room to the next one that's a big relief so everyone is welcome to help and if you don't want to spend your time you can always spend your money so look for your local groups people that are trying to do this and if you cannot spend time you can also donate this is part of the crowdfunding we are talking about and that's it this is a picture of me and Freddy no he's actually Freddy so I don't know if you have any questions or questions or comments, feedback, anything so this was to favor more women's events we are doing an event a normal Drupal Camp what are the best ways to invite women to have a women's track or just put it on the page that we are to put a code of conduct or what things favor that in our regular event of Drupal Camp there are more women it's a very good question we for example what we did in the last Drupal Camp was to do a basic introduction because many women don't know that there is a community so that's important marketing a track, even if it's just a session so that awakens the interest that there is a world beyond that bubble and can help one of the main things for a woman or in my particular case with my colleagues you arrive at the event or you see only photos of the events where there are only pure men and then you say this is not for me because I'm going to be there and I'm going to have to face with the massive testosterone that I mentioned, Freddy that sometimes it's very complicated and then you decide it's important to have the code of conduct and to let everyone know that it's a safe environment and that no kind of and respect respect or action respect or understanding is going to be ignored because it's also important for women to feel safe sometimes even the location of the event is important you have to think about what you're going to do because it's not the same for a woman to be mobile with the laptop in a zone that is sometimes for the baron so they are things that sometimes you have details that you have to take into account only for the girl to say yes, it's an event that could go I really liked the presentation I wanted to get involved from very young to the children because many times the children come with the initiative of the children and there comes a moment when they are cut and the children are playing next to the children with the cars or something, no, you don't play with that play better with the doll I don't know what so it's that break in the scheme on the other hand very short, my experience in the group of work I am the team leader in addition to programming I am the one who does the work interviews for the people who enter my team I am not the super girl nor the super programmer and my colleagues enter in very sophisticated debates sometimes and you can put medium-aggressive between them to find the best way to solve a problem but nevertheless I am the one through the observation who can do better the work or who is good to enter our team and who gives us the best skills while on the other hand my partner, my father whenever we do the interviews he does all the technical questions south javascript versioning this, that questions about his behavior of team work and for now it went well so many times we have to contribute we also have to put our boots after the night eat sometimes bad follow the law and all those things we have to show that we are in peace but we also have skills sometimes they don't have because we observe more about the behavior and that is very important to have a good work in the team I totally agree with that in fact today we were talking with Miriam with a team that brought her she is the only woman or you are the mother chicken or you are the witch of 71 or one or the other exactly the mother chicken they are skills sometimes complementary that we have and I think it's great that your father does the work and you do the other work because also the team collaboration the culture if it goes well in the team culture all that is important and sometimes one Hello, how are you? I am Maria Aurelia I come from Panama I have been very excited about what you have said about this honestly in my case I am a little different I have always worked with men and I have always been led by them I have always been a coach and all that and something I would like to contribute is that this is not just a matter of women everyone is afraid I have had to attend to boys from both sides in fact, girls are more kissing I think it is one thing that we have to break this that there is a lot of difference between women for me the truth is that it is like a breakfast, as we say I think we should focus a little more on the skills of one as a person not as if we are women or men or of some minority as a person we are brave men or women I think that is the most important it is great that they start from little because it is true one has to break from little the rules of the game that parents try to teach one that no, women fall thank God I did not have that differentiation my father actually treated me like my brother and in the same way I got to work in everything hey, we are human beings we have to contribute in everything we have to work together we have to do, some have more skills than others in certain things others are more technical others are more empathetic there is everything but if we start to break those barriers I think that as a whole community we will go much better it is the same dilemma that sometimes we find it is not about and that we are going to close it is only women it is about giving a safe environment of confidence to start and after you start you are already able to have more confidence in yourself it is not much about confidence and sometimes a group where only or the majority or is made women are more confident in the girls to be in a group where the majority is not and that is more or less it is not that we focus on you are a man, you are a woman this is different no, because in fact men are involved in the event they go to the event we have made events for girls where 70% were barons and these are things that happen but it is also something that is advancing the idea is that they participate more they are more visible they are more leaders so all kinds of help can improve there is one thing that I think it is also where the people feel comfortable today in Drupal it is no longer a place it is really a development process and as such here in Colombia, in my experience many women prefer not so much in terms of teaming or in terms of backend but prefer to do quality or marketing that will finally impact what is going to be implemented so finally I think that each one where they feel more comfortable is where to participate certainly bringing women will surely have a value because women are more oriented to details and other things for example in terms of usability or testing so I really I think that and it is that there is no difference between men and women for me it is simply a work team and as such we all work to get the best result I agree Hello, how are you? My name is Miriam something very important that I would like to highlight this part of breaking barriers the important thing is how to get to know what we know and express it with the men normally in a medical company precisely because of these details the visual part the part that the client will love so normally they say it looks nice and then you arrive with the client and they tell you that color was not so we see those details in a good way this has been an advantage for the company the fact of having women who are doing teaming because then they become a little more detail naturally we bring it then this reinforces the skills and well makes the interaction with the boys more comfortable because you explain to them what you need to look like this and you explain those details that later they can see and say ok I agree with you right now I met with many people who at the moment very few people know that I do front end but when you start to talk what you know and the techniques that you start to use and you share them then they show interest until then it's like they say hey what do you do how do you work and what process do you take but if you don't break that barrier of communication and the fear of trying to say what you know and the skills that you are developing or what you have then until that moment no one sees you then I think the important thing would be to break that communication barrier dare to say things and well share them with someone else because it really serves you knowledge here if you stay is to share it as well as we do with the community and I think we are already in time so thank you very much for being here and after that thank you