 Welcome to Toffy TV, I'm a French farm to speak to Everton manager Frank Lampard. Let's go on have a chat. Welcome to Toffy TV, I'm delighted to say I am joined by the Everton 13 manager, Frank Lampard. Frank, lovely to have a chat with you, thanks for taking time. Thank you, now cheers, good to be here. So Frank, it's 10 months since you took over as manager of Everton. Have you found it? I've loved it, that's probably too general, because we've been through some moments. I've loved it, I was very proud. It was my first photo shoot, photo moment when I came in here and walked into Finch Farm. It was like a rollercoaster, it was a whirlwind of meeting in London, probably two or three days later. I'm turning up here with my staff, we're all London base lads and a couple have been still working at Chelsea, Ashley and Joe. I've just remembered the madness of it in a good way, club the size of Everton, the challenge. I've probably looked at it a little bit casually from the outside, seen what's been going on at the club. The job comes up and you do your intense bit of work towards what you can offer to the club and those things. You never really know until you get here and you start to sense the club, sense the people who work here, the fans, what they want, the players where they were at. So 10 months feels like a lifetime ago, that might sound bad of mine but it feels like so much has been in there. You almost start to think, I can't remember what I was doing before I came and did this job. So it's been a pleasure and obviously there's a lot of work being done to be done. I heard you said the other week that you said you've been living in the London bubble and you've come up through Masyside and that maybe your views have changed slightly. What exactly did you mean by that? People, not just Evertonians but probably a big sense of that but I think, I don't know if I explained it when I answered the question but because I was born in Essex really so I'm not like a Londoner as such. My parents have moved out, I went to private school in Essex so it's kind of all I knew, do you know what I mean? Then my football career was obviously always based in London. You just become the bubble on London as I remember the big rivalry we had with Liverpool as players. Chelsea Liverpool was huge. So you end up a bit like that with them. But in my own personal sense, I was talking more about the pitch stuff about your views, sometimes the comfort of living in London. Obviously a good career as a player so you have it off in a sense there. Then when I started to move and I went to City for a year and I was like okay, the country is a different place from there to there. For good or for bad maybe but I'm sort of good as in people are different, they have different worries, different needs and actually sometimes they're generally nice. London is so fast paced that people all walk past you whereas I found living up in Manchester in that year a different feeling. I went to New York, that was another amazing experience and then when I came back and ended up in Derby another experience. This one's probably one that hit me most head on because I think people are very open and very vocal here and I understand why. So it wasn't like a big life talk political stance thing, it was just probably a bit of my own maturity and also being close to people and then you start to feel how they think and why they think it. In London I never really had that so I didn't not see it but when you live it's different. Obviously you live what you're in don't you. In some respects the job being a more difficult job than you thought it was going to be. Or is it difficult to question? Is it different than what you thought? You know what I think my opinion is they're all difficult and when I say that I mean my Derby job, Chelsea job and Everton job for different reasons. Derby was, there were a lot of things behind the scenes, financial fair play, the owners, the fans want that, the players, the squad start. When I went to Chelsea all those in a different version probably blown up much bigger because of the size of the club. Expectations this, what the outside think of you, lose one game all the pressures on all those things. In Everton you come in and it's a different can you stay in the Premier League and I suppose that pressure of when it started to sink in of what? I remember the game against Wolves when we lost at home, it was a bit of a drab one, everyone was like this is the game we've got to win, it's one of those. And it went a bit stale, we lost 1-0, it was a game we could have drawn on one more ever but I came away and I know the crowd were a bit mmm and the players were a bit down. And I'd have met them with the staff the next day and sort of trying to say to the staff that we will have to be upbeat now because this is a fight. And when I look round the faces in the room there's loads of Evertonians here, I'm sure you probably know that, people like Jimmy Comers et cetera, the tattoos everywhere. It's written all over them and I sensed how much it meant to everybody and I think probably that responsibility in general terms was the tough bit. Then you've got all the other details that are hard, picking squads, picking teams, players are not happy, all the things are trying to put it together. So it's not complaining, you go into it and you understand it and you go that's your responsibility or don't do it. And you better give it all your time or you're not going to cut it because it's one of those jobs. If you don't give it all your time and you care then I don't think you can succeed in this job and succeeding for us was standing in the league last year. Now it's about can we be better and there will be loads of challenges like this on the way. Last season you forged the strong bond with the fans. I'd heard you during your career saying you didn't really like playing at Goulders and it was a tough place to play. You always look like you like playing when you're lacking goals in 25 yards but was that something you thought I can tap into and try? Because I've been on the other side of it as a player and get us engaged in what we needed to do. Yeah, definitely that. I think I did have some, I scored against Heaven a fair bit. It was one of those teams but I also, the goodest in effect was when I used to feel was either the start of the game and something happens early in the game. And I always remember that being a momentum one that was really hard to turn or a game that you think you're not cruising in but like you're one up or something. I remember one year and then there was a corner, a goal and it just flipped through the crowd and you could see it right. All the players kind of lifted up and run around more, tackled harder, like the basics. And so when the job came up and it was like, you know, you'd all the basic things you'd normally do with football. What's the squad look like? What are the games coming? What's the football issues? And then the big thing was cannot tap into the crowd because it's a weapon in a big way. And so it's funny because you have your football in philosophy where someone asks, yeah, I want to play, I want to do this. And I think Everton, my feeling is, spoke to Bainsey quite early when I was here. And Bainsey was like, yeah, sometimes you've got to give the crowd one, give them what they want. And I said, what's that, an early tackle, an early ball down? We like a tackle. Yeah, and so do I. Do you know what I mean? So I think that's good for the players to understand it because in the modern day I think the modern player we produce can be a good football, a good technical, but all these things are important. But you can't take away a good tackle or a sprint or an action that's to your team and the crowd. And Goodison and Everton's a club that has to have that. You know that better than me. And when we fall below that, you feel the fans go the other way. And I get it, I get it. I think there are some moments where we do want to play a little bit and if the fans are not with that, then I need to try and communicate what reason we're doing that for. If there's not a tackle when there's not the passion thing, I can't say, I can't believe the fans didn't like that. You have to understand it. Players have to understand the basics. What was it like, obviously, the blue smoke and that they send off some things far and at the bus level? Did that surprise you? And what was it like to be part of it? You know what, it was amazing for us as well. I say me and my staff. And that was part of the thing probably when you talk about linking up last year because it was an incredible thing. It did surprise me a bit the size of it and how many numbers Finchfarm here. To think that there would be like 1,000 or so there. And what it did to the players and myself just lifted all of us. I've said that a lot. I think it's unique to this club. I think it is. I think it's maybe something with the history of this place and the passion that people feel and how they want to express it. And it's been just goosebumps moments. You don't get many of those in your professional life, I don't think. Not many things. I've been through a lot of things. You must have done. There are certain moments. If I watch back a goal, there's a goal that I scored to win the league at Chelsea in 2005. I scored two goals in the league and for some reason when I watched that goal back I get goosebumps. It was like my first thing I won properly as a player. I remember that. I'm just talking first. It was one of my things. I watch it back and I get a lot of the other things I did in my career. That was that. But when we sat on the bus and you got it, it was a proper original goosebumps moment. Beyond that, it sounds great but the humour in the middle of it was looking at some of the kids on their shoulders and then people were having a scan of something. Do you know what I mean? We used to sit on the bus and because we got stuck you can suck it all up. All those things, real life stuff, they were great for the lads. It was an easy team talk after that. The dog getting carried down, the condition of the dog. Yeah, the dog, the dog. Meatball mollies there, the shoulders. All those things, as I say, the team talk was easy then. That's what it means to people. It was special times. I want to ask you something about the, obviously, the Crystal Palace game because we have to. There have been many moments in my life where everything was important games and stuff. What was it like being Frank Lampard that night at the Crystal Palace game, stood on the touchline watching the events unfold? First off, it was tough because it had been a tough few days in the Palace because we had the Brentford game where we were flying for 20 minutes. I think we could have sure had a pen. You just get a red card and you lose the game. So you end up with that horrible, could have been then. And then you start to not panic, but you worry because Arsenal was the last game. None of us wanted that. So I think it was a tough going into it. And then straight away as the game started, I could feel a bit of tension in the lads and they started to dominate a bit. Then they get two goals and the second one was like a bit of a calamity one. So it's a bit like, where do we go from here and trying to pick the lads up? You start thinking about what you're going to say at halftime and what change you make. So I'll change the system five minutes to go before halftime and then change Delhi in halftime. And basically you just said the basics. Sometimes I don't think it's rocket science. It's like, if we get a goal back here, if the crowd feel, see us and get the passion, they'll go Palace is what I sort of said. And then we'll just grow and everything's on if we do that. So I think that was my effect on the game and then the rest is the players and the crowd because it all happened. And some days you get a feeling, don't you? I think some days you kind of go, no, it's not happening today. Once we got the first one, I was like, here we go. So it went from a really tough moment where I was thinking halftime, I'm like, what happens here? I'm certainly not any former superhero that you just think Abbey, right? I had no idea what would happen. You're probably thinking a negative. And then as it started to turn, it turned into the best night of my sporting life. And I say that probably winning a Champions League at Chelsea is like the big one. That's like it over the years, but in terms of pure emotion of where we were halftime or what we've been through in the last two or three months or what we got to, was the outpouring of seeing the fans on the pitch and being part of it. It was like a bit of a dream. That sounds a bit soppy, but it's like a dream or like being drunk instantly. You know what I mean? The buzz, the high was huge. You didn't really shout, I've liked it much anyway. I'm looking over for a machine gun. The manager on top of the executive box is dancing, but it was incredible. I mean, Michael Keane turned into a van Bastel and went off. And then the next minute it grew and grew. You know what, the going up on the stand thing on the stadium was... ..since I come to the club, the chairman and Denise have been incredible for me. And I know that there was a lot of talk of the politics of the club and all those things. I'm not helping back because I haven't been part of them. But when you're just on an individual level, the support they had shown me and coming to me in February and being in my corner said the job and those things. And then you start to see how much they care about the club. I think I see that sometimes everyone sees. And then when I looked up there at the end and saw their faces and then you've got like Sharpie and Reedy and all those people that are proper club people there. And I thought I've got to go up there. And then on the way up there I just remembered that they had the girls with the champagne on the trays. I don't mind it up and get it. I was like, I'll have a look up there. And then obviously that takes me on to the outside on the roof. It was a special night. What a pity as well. There is that pity of the anti. It was a pack-ash moment. It was surreal at those moments. And if ever there's a moment about what this club's about in my short time I was like, wow, it says everything about what it is. Where do you think obviously you have those experience and I'm sure you're much better for it in terms of coping mechanisms as a manager? Because it is, like I said before, hugely difficult to stand on the side in that stadium and try to influence it. How did you then start to switch for this season and where do you think we're kind of up to right now the way in your mind where you want it to go? I switched straight away because you have to. And when I went away on holiday probably a few days after the Arsenal game and straight away you're on the phone all the time trying to work out what you do with the squad. And I think the reality is that our job at summer is important because you're preparing for the next year which means you're dealing with the people and the personnel to get better, to come back and be stronger. I don't think any manager has got a magic wand. Even the best, like Pep, for me is the best in terms of how he actually coaches and affects his team. But you do need the players and then your coach is a little bit on top. So I knew that we needed personnel change, reality, to get us to where we wanted to be. And so I had to work on that straight away. So I think we did a good job in the summer in terms of working with Kevin. Kevin had come in then and so we were in Kevin a close. We have to be and have to think along the same way where do we need to strengthen, what areas of the team. Unfortunately for us and this isn't to put us down. My view was there were quite a few areas to improve. We're where we were for a reason and a reality check. So there's two things. There's a personnel I think that want to go into the 11 and make us better. And B, let's get some balance to the squad which I think with sometimes with managerial change over years you can end up with an unbalanced squad of ideas of other managers and moments of bringing in players that then don't work so much and all that. And I think then things that I think behind the scenes maybe that don't always be seen from the outside is how you work through the week with that. Three players in that position, only one there. That type of player there when really my idea would need some legs there or something. You haven't got that. So it was like trying to tackle these and let's get to the basics. So it was like let's try and bring in good players and good people that come in there and get the clubs right away. So we started with that and then we ended up where we all know where we are now and I think some players that moved on I think was positive for them as well as us. That's the perfect one, it works for us both. And then the players we brought in I think put us in a stronger position and I know all fans will have opinions on could have done another one there, could have done that there. The reality is where we are, I think we did a lot of work in a good direction and now just have to work on the pitch and the training pitch and the idea and then look at every window generally starting where can we get better. It's a testing league. It's not making excuses here but everyone else is pushing. We've got to push from where there's a reason why we were. We're not just going to go, now we're eighth and everyone's after. It's like every step you've got to go how are we going to get there. And I think we've shown good signs of getting better and then moments that you go and I've still got a way to go. And I always try and be honest with that after games. Sometimes you've got to try and judge them very quickly and then explain to the fans because I know how engaged our fans are of what you see and I think if you try and pull all over their eyes you wouldn't be able to do it for long. No, no. Our fans are very, they don't like to be told stuff that isn't really happening. We've had that before where you see it not a very good performance and the manager is trying to convince you that it was better and our fans just won't have that. I'll be honest, I don't think you've done that. I think you have been quite, there's been the moments where everyone's gone spot on the manager. I think we like that as a manager. We'd prefer you to come out and go, wasn't good enough, end of. I think everyone gets behind that. Rather than you go, oh no, we play some great football. We don't need the spin and now it's difficult. You've got a really tough balancing act. Players will hear it. But I think in my opinion some managers have missed certainly. This club is when you're doing your press conferences and interviews, you're talking to us, you're talking to the general side, okay. Really what you say but we do we will hang on a lot of your words. Right, okay, we understand this. We understand that. And I personally, I'm not just saying it because you sat here. I personally think you have, probably if not every time, most times you said what we've, what's the game. It's interesting. The basics are what you said, I think it's the balance because you've got to work with the players. So I think if the minute you came out and went on there, went to the bone on them as a lead, so you question what kind of lead they are. Which you can come across sometimes. I think then you can be done here, which is defeats the object. So I think if you're talking about performance, which I'm part of, you go that performance wasn't good enough, all I'm going to say. Then you go okay, that's for me, that's fine. But you're forever on that balance and trying to tell the truth. And the other hard bit of the job sometimes is that I'm not always exactly sure what I definitely think straight after because of the motions. I can go through a game. I remember there's been, it flips. I remember when we beat Westam 1 new early in the season, I thought it was a decent performance. It was alright, but I didn't love it. But it was three points and it was our first win and I was happy with that. But when I was speaking after, I was a bit like, yeah, I thought we were good in my own head as I'm talking. I'm like, I thought we were good but we could have been better and we were much better than this. And then when I watched it back, I was like, oh no, no, we were good. It might have been in my coachy head. Oh yeah, that worked. We worked on that last week. Oh yeah, that worked. And then another game, you could kind of think, oh yeah, that's alright. You know like, for an example, it might be a new castle. It wasn't a great game but my perception at the end was, maybe Tottenham say, that's a decent one. Two great chances to go in at halftime. I think they've changed the game we draw or we win the game at that point. And then we lose it but people kind of were going, yeah fair play, well done, last year you got beaten 5-0 by them. And my first feeling was, yeah. And then when I watched the game back, second half I was like, no, I didn't like it. So you kind of get drawn sometimes in the post match ever on TV and the next day you kind of go, that wasn't, but you like to think most times that you get it right. And then I think if it's real, I think the fans can take it because then you get a few days to address it in the next pregame a little bit. If you're going up, you can talk a bit differently. Not that you're trying to spin it. I'm just saying sometimes I missed that bit and now I'll tell you. Often you stood on the side of the couch and then the next minute someone goes, what about that? And not the same level where I've done it, where I've done a match. And that happened and this happened. And then I've seen the highlights and gone, actually know it now. I've come out on the Monday and I'm like, I said this the other day, it was nonsense because it come from this and you have to remember this. So I do, I appreciate that I think. And fans, we are, we're not difficult fan base because I think that's the wrong word but we're a fan base that's very engaging. You said it right people. We're very engaged in our club and this is not your making but we are like a coil spring now because we've had a lot of false stones. People are ready to to go one way or the other. So when we win a few with the greater team in the world and let me lose a few with the other show, I think it is important that you try with that balance anyway. I've got the January transfer window coming up and obviously fans have been talking and talking about that we haven't scored enough goals and expecting the club to maybe move for forward players. Is that is that kind of in your thinking as well that we need more goals and that might be an area you're looking to strengthen? Yeah, definitely. I think when I said about the transfer policy stuff in the summer my feeling was we need stability first. Yeah. And that's why I didn't like the Bournemouth game the other night because it felt like some games last year did. I'm not just saying the nature of the goals. It was more the the head down moment because oh yeah, we were doing right in the game. Now two-one, let's go, three-one. You know, that sort of feeling was something to be addressed. So sometimes personnel will address it because not only will it be maybe players that come in and do their job but if there are other players now the squad is more competitive in that area and you better come in and do your job as well or you know these are the levels we're looking for. So I felt like generally we needed to look at the sort of the middle of the pitch from back through to front. The Dominic one is a hard one because Dominic gets injured in three days before Chelsea. I know the window was still open but then the other reality is that when we're sitting there with Kevin, the chairman, the owner and we're talking about what we can do it's really easy to go I can't get a striker as you go okay what's the market? The striker market is the hardest and we bought Neil Malpy and because he was a different player to Dumb, Dumb's your big nine Neil's more of a between the lines man and then a box man and I felt that was a compliment to have two and I still think the same but obviously Dumb's had the injury problem so will we look to have more and different options there without a doubt because I think we all feel that at the minute and I feel it as well because now you've got five subs as well sometimes you want to impact again with something different and we need that competition up there because others have got it and the reality is you win games in both boxes so we're better now in our box if you're not going to be better in that box it's like less than this is not a dig that lads have missed the chances because I missed loads of chances but if we scored up early we won them up imagine Goodison if we go back to 1-1 early in the second half imagine Goodison and it it affects the game for all the details in between everyone will go you could have done that played him there and played 4-3-3 rather that you go feel good in that box and we're good in that box you know the middle bit is massive but that's the really important bit so I think we've done well in that box can we do better in that box the players are here and what we can do to bring in here we can it was like space like you mentioned before you take it when we be short and you castle do it a couple of weeks later the batter to score so you go up in a game but the reality also is that we're not in some games we're not peppering it enough we're not there enough I was just going to say to you because you were a reputation reputation I saw you playing enough of someone to get half a yard and half a shed some of it can we shoot more because I'm as a fan you're asking me like I'm asking you to tell him to shoot more yeah that's basically yes I am I am I'm kind of saying because what I'm trying to say to you as a and I'm sure you're well aware of this now but as a fan that goes to somebody like a tackle you know a tackle on Antonio Eileen and the CC that was like a one goal through our crowd but we like crosses and we like shots and against Palace we were tremendous at that time it just engaged everyone and we get a goal and obviously the place of ups and I was thinking in some games I don't know whether it's bravery I don't I don't know whether it's a tactic to saying but but it just seems like we get someone on the hop and then we stop and come away from it and I can just remember you pop on them in from everything could we be a little bit braver maybe yeah I think there are a few bits to it I think from the individual I think some people are more comfortable getting shots away and then and sometimes I would say that to players like when Alex shoots men United and he scores like you've got to take that on and like you say it's like the Bainzy one it's one for the fans get shot away crack it up okay let's go again so I think that I think in terms of from my responsibility and I think there are two things that I the main things that we want to build is that I want to be at the build to get crosses and I also want to be at the get around the edge of the box to get shots away and so it's about how much we can do that repetitively and you'd have felt it against palace like crosses and shots crosses and shots can we be better at that stuff yeah we work a lot on it so it's probably a mixture of my and our responsibility to work and probably how we can keep developing the squad again with how we move forward with the squad in January and different windows so you can't you can't ask sometimes players to do what they're not comfortable with them you've got to work towards it or at some point you've got to say what you've got to do now because otherwise you know when it goes exactly and that sounds a bit cutthroat but it is a reality you know it is the best players at the top end of the pitch if you look around the rest of the at the top end of the league so I've got wingers getting double figures and those things but you also have to understand it as well that I know Stirling and Salah and all these ones that hit ridiculous stumbers as they hit their mid 20s we're not necessarily doing it at 2021 so there's a bit of development when you talk about Antony and Dwight and Dimmy to a different degrees 26 now but there's still development that can be had and they've got to be a bit more ruthless without a doubt that's one of my biggest things with them is that not just the effect of shooting more it's getting in areas where if like say something else is going on in the pitch on the other side if someone hits a shot and it rolls across the face and my winger is standing out on the wing you've got to be in a six shot box thanks very much so I love those goals that Antony gets against Palace as much as I would love a goal where they go do that because you can get 10 of those for nothing almost there's a winger but that takes Stirling's game which is two things great coach and him so I try and say that to any winger you can always reference players like that and go what do you want to get five goals a season or do you want to get 25 because 15 of them are there do you know what I mean so you've got to have the desire and the want to get in there a lot which sometimes you just work as well excellent do you have a preferred formation because there's a lot of talk I've read lots of stuff on that derby what you did the derby Chelsea obviously threw the back and stuff is there a preferred one or for you is it I guess is it just what works yeah a bit I mean you have to look at the players I think when you come in when you go to your coaching badges everyone goes what do you want to play and you go yeah 4-3 whatever your version is it's like a perfect version in your head and then when you go to certain clubs you go can't do that there can't do that whatever it might be for personnel so at derby it works to play 4-3-3 particularly work because we have Mason Mount as one of the eights Craig Bryson was at the time he was a great eight he was like a worker eight and then Mace was the other eight and all of a sudden you look around at him and go yeah that works because of that when you go to Chelsea it kind of works and then we have to change it if you start seeing things and I think we're a bit weak there we need to protect went to a back three we were better for a period I think when I came in here I didn't think it was clear that we could play 4-3-3 last year I think it probably more for reasons in midfield if I'm honest and so then probably the back fire was a means to an end to protect get more people behind a ball to defend crosses better and yeah it did work that's a challenge as a coach and it's a good challenge because maybe in certain jobs you can go in and go ding there it is because you can bring in players and times on your side it wasn't on our side but then part of the recruitment process in the summer was trying to get to a place where I feel comfortable then it becomes my responsibility what I deliver and we're not quite there yet but I do think when I look at our squad the balance to be able to play 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 or something like that we're better at doing both but particularly before 4-3-3 now because of the stability of the team and the types we're working more towards what I feel we're at our strongest which probably would reference Palace and West Ham at home as two games that we showed it sort of to where I want it to go to Absolutely, how disruptive is the world cup this year because obviously something new is next a break is it coming at a decent sign I like it I think everyone's off we just have a little break here it's different for fans fans can sit and watch the world cup all of us can't we but I had a ton just want to go to Goodison but for me just because of where we're at because we had a few changes in the summer that need to bed in it's a bit more time just to take a bit of a breath where are we at now 15 games gone where do we need to get to what do we need to do who's not fit we've got Ben coming back Andrew's coming back Dominic's out for a bit now and it will allow him not to miss a chunk of games and hopefully be back four walls so it's probably fallen let's hope that nothing happens to the players at the world cup but other than that I think it's not a bad breather for us and me I'm having for that What are the aims for the season realistically obviously we all want to win a corp on the the addition game what does that I think I mean the cup one's interesting off the back of the other night because I think with the Bournemouth game I know people will always question when you make ten changes the whole team eleven changes to the team and I think it's important because you're able to criticism when you lose and we didn't play well far from it and my reason I think it's important to explain a bit is that when you train with the 24 lads plus keepers and some train really well some train okay to a good level some knock on your door some don't some stay quiet but when you're going over the course of the season you're going to need all the players and you need the squad to be good through the year and training terms and togetherness terms so sometimes you get to a caribou cup game as easy as it might sound well go with your strong team again there are different reasons you think well he deserves a chance and he'll take it or he won't and at the same time the priority issue is definitely the league that was my opinion as well with the caribou because you always want to win a game and the team that I put out should have competed to win a game that's my feeling and they know that but at the same time we also have a priority this year saying we want to get better in the league because we don't want a palace again as much as it was a great night so that was the decision I took and I suppose it's on me but it's also on the players because I thought it was below par on that game and there are not many excuses for that there are none but in terms of where we want to be in terms of the league I want stability which means staying up and that obviously means some people go it's great it seems like you're pushing and then there's actually a limit that you want to start I think it's just a reality how quickly can we stay up and then where can we get to because I've seen seasons from the outside wherever and we're there and dropped at the end and dropped down and then the reflection is probably a bit up and then you can see seasons where you can go up we stay up and then you go bang bang bang at the end and you get a positive feel when you go up what's it look like next year I think in real terms staying up and finding a better style about how we play something that you see consistently in us so talk about systems a lot but whatever system we play what you see in a team you see in a work ethic in a team consistently you see in a way we want to play and you can get an idea as a fan you know what, yeah we like crossing the ball and we get in positions to cross it a lot we've got to find that and it doesn't have to look like Liverpool doesn't have to look like City doesn't have to look like whoever it has to look like what we and the fans have to engage we're not going to be a tick attacker team because I know that the fans are going stop playing under passes there get it there so I'm not silly because we need to use that and then try and say ok we'll move it quickly to get it there and then we cross it and then we do this and we're still finding our way towards that and that's to be expected because from where we were last year it was back to the wall so we're not going to get there straight away but we're in that I believe we're in the process so if you could sit at the end of the year and go yeah we stay in the Premier League there's a real good feeling about how which direction we're going and everyone will have opinions on that but it's a good feeling I'll be happy because in really September I think that's where we're at so there you go big thanks to Frank Lampard for giving up his time there really good interview some really interesting things he said in that way hope you all enjoyed it give the video a thumbs up subscribe if you haven't and if you want more videos why not become a Trophy TV cram you remember the link is in the description and the QR code is on the screen now