 Will the education candidates please come to the stage? Each candidate will have 5 minutes to speak... ...followed by all of these questions and we're going out for better quality order. Gillick. Moan. followed by Rooney. My name's Gary, I'm a foreshifter by the technology student. I'm just going to cut straight to the chase with my manifesto. I've got three main points this year. First of all, a lot of people on exam times, or my class in particular this year, we did brutally, to be completely honest. I kind of feel like that was maybe down to not having enough help, now not from lectures, but more so from tutors. A lot of time people go to tutors and you look on a wall and you have little sheets, maybe little strips to rip off. And it's, you know, maths grounds, very general term. You know, you could spend more time looking for those sheets than you can actually study in. So, I mean, what I'd like to bring in is perhaps a link from your portal page where there's tutors, a list of tutors on a database system that are specific to your course and your modules. So, I mean, it's just basically, I don't know, maybe latching on, but getting experience, getting help from people who are experiencing your course already. So I think that'd be a big help on your portal page and obviously it's quite accessible as well. There is something like that in place already, but Kieran has it on an Excel file and I mean he's a middle man and obviously a lot of his time is taken from getting people to give him their names and he's just a middle man going to them. Organising times and I think that could be, a lot of that could be just cut out basically by developing a technological system. So, the second part then as well, there's been a lot of talk today about not a very approachable SU. Now, if you know the students union, they are very approachable, but I think maybe the problem is when you go up to the students union, it's a very stringent, very serious setting. Obviously it's office space and I don't like the whole idea of coming to my office, sit down and we'll have a serious chat. I'd much prefer let's go down to the bar and we don't have a drink obviously, but let's go down to the bar and have a nice informal chat and a generally nice background. So, I'd like to maybe propose allocated times during the week in specific places where we can have an informal chat, maybe obviously the students union, they have different times, different meetings, the education officer in its house sits on 27 committees. So, getting them all present at one time is tough, but to have people there in an area where it's a very friendly background I think it could entice people to come and get to know people. I like my personal favourite thing to do is chat to randomers enough until they're no longer random, so that's how you get friends. So, basically I'd like to have a more just chat to everyone. This whole crack of people email and I think it's quite cold and it's more chatting virtually what I'd prefer if it's this talk, so that's my second one. The class rep system every single year people try to reform, this is always problems, it starts off with 100 people going down to 50, down to 20, down to just making quorum. So, I mean that's obviously a huge problem and there is going to be that 20% of people who just do it for their CVs and I'd kind of like to bring some extra responsibilities on the class rep by introducing a peer-to-peer mentoring system. So, say for example, I'm in biotech now and last year would have been third year, so I would have loved if a fourth year came to me from the class rep in the fourth year class and said, look, watch out for this lecturer, make sure you go to all these ones for your exam, you should focus on this, this, this and this. Here's some past exam papers from last year. Do you know any little things like that help? So I mean especially for first years that come in it's such a different education system from secondary school to college because you don't have to go in like. Nobody has to go in and everyone has missed classes, but just to know from other people's experiences. So again I think it's about utilising the resources available to you to make your academic career and DCU as successful as possible. Now, there's other things I support in the upcoming year if I do get elected. There's the same text marriage next year, I'm in full support of that and obviously any LGBT issues, I'd be completely behind that as well. As well as that then, the nurses, I think, a way before I even decided to run, I think it's a joke that nurses and their graduate pay get paid less than I do in a hotel and I mean they put in more hours, they put in more work than me and there's been plenty of times when a lot of us haven't gone out but the nurses can't because they have to sacrifice it for work experience. There's been other things someone said to me about a vending machine full of milk and bread, I don't know if that's anything to do with education but you know, little things like that I look after. I'm just going to finish up by saying this question keeps going on, why do you think you're the best candidate? I think you can tell from my forehead that I've been here for quite a while. So I have a lot of experience and I've failed exams, passed exams, deferred exams, I've been through the extenium circumstances, I've been through it all and I'd like to just say that I have the experience, I will share the experience and I'm hoping to improve the experience. Thanks. My name's Fenola and there's a lot of familiar faces here, but just for the few of you who don't know me too well, I am on the start of this committee and this year I'm also one of the most rewarding roles I've had the humanities convener so it's delighted today to see five people running for that position this year. I think that's a bit of a testament already to some of the work I've done to reform that role this year. So basically I've kind of been shadowing here in a bit for the year as the humanities convener is an academic position on the students union and I really think that experience is going to be absolutely invaluable going forward now into a huge year of change next year in DCU. But I'm just going to run through some of the points of my manifesto really quickly and I think it's probably the most broad and wide reaching of the three manifestos up here and there is something for absolutely every single student in this manifesto. One of the main things we're trying to do this year, we got so close to what if I get elected it will definitely be open running for the repeats during the summer and then again through the study weeks or next year as well is to extend the library opening hours. I don't enjoy the 24-hour library system that Trinity and some other colleges provide around exam time. I don't think this is beneficial to students' mental well-being and it's not something we should be encouraging but I do believe that at the moment it's definitely not serving students as well as it should be so it needs to be open until at least midnight if not later. That will be run if not by the library staff but myself as VP for education and by class rep volunteers as part of their cashier contribution which was something we introduced to the class rep scheme this year. Another thing I want to move towards especially for people who say come to the end of the semester and they've got a million assignments or do it once or say five, six exams in the space of two weeks no one can do themselves any justice. So I want to revise marking schemes in line with lectures and move away from 100% gradings that any one element of your module can be worth 100%. I know there's some cases where this can't be done but for a lot of modules this can be done and I think it's going to massively help students when it comes to stress and performing well and really doing themselves the most justice they can do academically. Another thing I want to do is lobby against lecturers using the excuse that they will not put the notes on my little before lectures because students won't come. I think this is absolutely just quite a useful excuse and lecturers should be working to serve the students who are making the effort and are attending. Everyone knows lecture notes generally aren't the equivalent of going to the lecture and it's just a disservice to students who come to lectures and are trying to keep up in class and trying to scroll everything down at the same time they're trying to listen. Another thing I want to do, which I've had massive personal experience with here, is to improve the disability service in DCU. Anyone here who is lucky enough to have had experience of these know how hugely beneficial they can be to helping you at college or keeping you in college to that extent. I myself, if you haven't been registered with the DAIR scheme during secondary school and come into college on that scheme, the awareness and the information about how to join the scheme and if you're even eligible for the scheme is not why you spread enough personally myself. I had some massive hardship at the end of first year and it was only then I realised that I should have been making use of these services all along. They've kept me in college, they've been hugely beneficial to me, but unfortunately I've seen friends who didn't know they were eligible for these services having to repeat years or drop it all together only to find out that they could have been making use of this all along. So that's one of the things I'm really passionate about fixing up here in DCU. As the guys are saying, every single year people come in, they look to fix up the class rep system. I think it's been really great work done with this bike here in Agana this year and I know myself at the Humanities Committee, I've had a great time to inform that and make that as accessible to students as possible. So it will be around next year to fix that up, but as well as at the officers of council roles because I don't feel like they're getting the full credit to you at the minute that they should be. And there's such massive potential to better student life within those roles that that's a huge thing we need to work on next year. Another little thing, it kind of touches on welfare, but I think it's absolutely crucial for us to implement as a students union where you're union. If you vote me and I'm working for you June to June, it is a 12 month contract, not two sets of 12 weeks a term. So anyone who would have been up here over Christmas knows it can be a bit of a ghost and we have power cuts and everything. It was like something out of our movie Summer Christmas time, but there's very little student life going on then. And in line with Sobersock, which has recently been set up, I'd like to do de-stress weeks, which is a full programme of activities like you would have, say, during Shag Week or any other week during term, where we are helping you out in the evenings you've had a long day of study, we're going to help you de-stress, chill out, a kind of non-drink orientated type of socialising, which I think is going to be really beneficial to help in students to their best then when they go back to hit the books the next day. Five seconds. So much paper. I want to improve postgraduate with engagement with mature students, so there's way too many things here. One of the things I did this year, so anyone who gets elected next year, anyway the students union, is going to be mandated to support the LGBT marriage equality thing this year, next year the referendum anyway, because I brought that motion to council this year. So that is one of the massive things here. I'd love to see voter registration drives on campus, because I feel like we are all very level educated students. Traditionally it has always been students who have made the social change. Thank you please, I'll be next Wednesday in 30 seconds. I promise not to take too long and I promise to try my best not to swear. For those who know me that's going to be a challenge. Hello, my name is Sean Rooney, I'm 21 years of age and I'm a candidate to be your education officer. I've been here now for three years and I've seen the amazing role the student union plays in the sport structure for students and I have a number of fantastic ideas that I would love to see implemented over the next 12 months. Firstly and foremost, there are many, many practices within this university that drive students crazy. I'm sure everybody here has had some experience of a module where the assessment just decided to randomly change in the middle of the module or the core you've landed in to TCU to find out that your course isn't actually, as it's described in the prospectus. It's a key role in all of those committees that the education officer sits on to ensure that things are as advertised for students. On top of this as well, and I didn't realise as well, a number of things that I've learned over the last while is that how key a role the maths support centre plays in helping students, particularly in the science and engineering faculty where maths is such a massive, massive, massive part of the course. The key job of the education officer is to look at modules that have a massive fail rate and we do have some modules in this college that have an unacceptably high fail rate and that's one of the things that the education officer has to ask the hard questions. Why are these students failing? Who's at fault here and what can we do to fix it? The other two candidates have spoken a lot about the class rep system and that's something I'd like to address as well. First and foremost, to tie in with a lot of what our wonderful welfare officer candidates have said, I would like to roll out safe talk training to all class reps so that they are in a position to go back to their class and recognise the signs of mental health issues and mental health problems and be there in a position to act as the link between the union and the students. Not every student is going to be comfortable forthcoming to the welfare officer but if Joe in their class or John says, listen, are you okay? What can we do about this here? Let's go and do something about it. One of the other things as well that I was speaking about is the key role clubs and societies play in student life here. There's two aspects to this. First, they provide a healthy work-life balance. I mean, not everything can be serious issues and heart surgery so they provide a release for students to let off after a hard day's work. On top of this as well, the skills that students learn through clubs and societies are the intangibles that will help them get the jobs in the 21st century to be able to go into an interview and say, well, you know, I've experienced with event planning. I've experienced with fundraising. I've experienced on a committee. These are what we need to succeed in the 21st century and on that subject of 21st century jobs, I would like to bring the role of campaigning back to the purview of the education officer. Gary's already touched on the nurses pay campaign. I have my own mother at home that gets me out of bed and complains about that even she at 55 years of age thinks that the student nurses are getting a raw deal. On top of that as well, I want to campaign on the issue of the postgraduate maintenance grant. Everybody here knows now that it's nearly par for the course for people to come to the end of their degree and say, oh, well, you know, I think I need a master's in order to get a job. And if you're living on the grant, it's such a hard change to go to spending the 7,000 euro that it is for the fees and then having to support yourself. So I think we really do need to campaign to bring back the postgraduate maintenance grant. OK, one minute. So I have lots of ideas including my self-sourced intra module, working within the union to bring in the peer-to-peer learning and working hard within the class rep system to ensure that we're not always just about complaining here. It's about highlighting good lecture practices and saying, well, that lecture over there is fantastic. Why can't you be more like him or her? And ensuring that these practices are replicated across the university. I really want to be your education officer because it's not about me and it's not about the other candidates. It's about you, the students. Thank you. OK, after the education hostings, I'll be inviting the president of the students union to give a very short three to four minute talk about the upcoming referendum on the hub financing. OK, OK, education questions. You all have very large manifestos. If you had to prioritize one thing to get done in your term, what would it be? And we go on alphabetical order. Most of the points on my manifesto are about using the resource available to you. Now, one I think personally is I'd love the database system as much as I'd love that because I think it's cool. But more so, I'd like to utilize a class rep system in a better way because I mean, if they had the more responsibility whether it's compulsory or not to actually go down to the class below them, I think maybe it would push them to actually take in hand the rest of their responsibilities and we can have a better class rep system. I think for myself that would have been a trial between the library hours and the disability service but I know Ken's going to deal with the library hours so I'll leave that one to him. So for me it would be the disability services because I know myself without that and I was lucky enough to get it in time when I did that I probably still wouldn't be here. And I know far too many people as well whose time in college has been made so much simpler for them because of those services and they need to be offered to everyone who needs them. It's about quality training for class reps including safe talk because it's with that that we can achieve everything else. I'm glad you can sound a bit more energetic. Go on, we've been here for three hours nearly. That's better. A lot of students that fail modules feel like dropping out because of it. How do you think you can address this situation? I want to be as friendly as possible. I want to be as approachable as possible. I'd love if someone came and failed a module and said it straight to me whenever I failed an exam in the Christmas day I went straight to Keran because I find him approachable. I would never ever influence anyone to drop out. I would give them every single possibility there is to just hang on because I hate my course to be completely honest. I really don't like doing science but I've just hung in there to get that degree so I'd like to push people to the same. I think if you fail a module dropping out is absolutely the wrong thing to do. I know a lot of people will be a bit disheartened especially because they are here first and foremost for the academic thing but I've seen friends who failed a module or two and it's actually given them the best year of their life in college going back and repeating it for a year especially people in really heavy academic courses because it's given them a year where they have way less hours than they would otherwise and they've gotten to get so involved in societies and make so many friends outside their course that they otherwise never would have. So if anyone fails a module, my advice would be hang in there, get your degree, even if it takes a bit longer you're absolutely blessed to get another year in college. A lesson that's failing a module is not the end of the world. I think we've all got modules in all of our courses that we've absolutely despised and for that reason whether it's not getting the module or not liking it or not being interested in it I mean we've all have been there for me it's about looking at well why do you think you failed it and then once you get the answer we'll go from there it's giving students access to the Grines network or looking at what we can do for them as the education officer. You've all mentioned it but give us a specific example of how you would change the current class rep system. I kind of feel like this is the only thing I keep saying but the class rep system but obviously like this year there was a motion about pizzas being delivered to DCU efficiently. I mean there's things like this it's about keeping on topic it's about addressing particular problems that do address DCU so I mean as well as that as well as the peer-to-peer mentoring I'd love to actually sit down in the middle of it and put a stop to a lot of crack that's going on there's no need for it. Having been a class rep this year and the humanities convener are kind of overseeing all the humanities class reps this year I think the introduction to Gashker scheme and the SC awards that we brought in this year are massive incentives to make the class rep system better and to actually make people be active class reps but going forwards as well now I think the progression of the convener lunches is a great thing because it's going to take away all the faculty specific issues that we do waste a lot of time in CRC talking about that aren't relevant to about 75% of the people there it's not suit your faculty the progression of the convener lunches is a great way to improve CRC for next year it's about in my mind utilising kind of social media and making class rep council relevant to the average student you know a lot of people see it and perception only sticks when there's some degree of reality to it that people are going in there and it's a talking shop and it's about ensuring that once something is passed by CRC be it to do with emotion on LGBT issues or getting the desks fixed in the business building or water fountain that there's some progression seen in those issues and once we see some progression we'll see a change OK, anything you would do differently to this year's education officer and this year's SU you would do differently from this year's education officer and this year's SU I think you've done a great job this year lads Honestly, there's been a lot of work behind the scenes that people haven't seen and generally what people do see is the events that everyone goes to I'd like to continue on the work of what you've done and as well as that I've even mentioned that I've been up to you Ciaran and I've been chanted all the way through the year and I would like to continue on there's not much I'd like to do differently but there is extra things I'd like to implement in my manifesto Hindsight is great for us but realistically probably one of the only things that I'd be which we'd kind of gotten done sooner as I was a member of the SU this year was the extended library and open areas around Christmas because we just about had that and then at the last minute we just lost that so I know it's definitely going to be there for people in August and apart from that I think a brilliant job's been done and it's been quite reform of the classroom systems and different things like that so I think Ciaran's done a brilliant job this year There's two things I would like to do I suppose that weren't exactly done this year was run clinics before, during and after the exams but they were advertised out to students not up in the students union but in buildings throughout campus where before, during and after the exams I can sit and students can come up and who wouldn't otherwise come up to the students union and say well listen, what do I do about extenuating circumstances, deferrals, fails, etc etc and the other thing I would like to do is I would like to run CV workshops I know the university already runs them so I'm excited if they came from the education answer Okay, there's a number of questions that have been asked from the welfare candidates that also applied to the education candidates How will you make yourself approachable to regular students, a lot of people feel that there's a click and the sabats aren't approachable especially if you're in the engineering or science faculties I would agree with the click from an outside perspective it always seems like a click I would like to introduce an allocated time and environmentally a friendly place to go where we can just chat even if it's just me eating lunch on my own just come over and sit down and have a chat if I do get the position but I want to have a more approachable student union in more friendly places to talk that's my main thing, thanks Having a heap of friends in both of those faculties I think I'd be quite surprised personally if any of them thought I wasn't approachable but my brothers and engineers I know there's really really cool things the engineers do that the SU could make events out of I know the guys were all off designing robots last week and they had competitions then so I think if we just get some of our media crew and publicise that to the rest of the college that could be a really really class event that everyone could get involved with I don't know maybe even get the worst race society and put nods on the different robots as well which is a little bit like that they do some really real cool stuff but the best thing isn't just for election time it's important that the education officer goes round to classes even after freshers we can mix himself known particularly for our engineering and science I figured that one of the best things that an education officer could do would be to visit down to the red brick common room and have a cup of tea with the people down there and ask them what their issues are we're getting there lads we're getting there as education officer you deal with a lot of high level committee meetings which involve a lot of prior reading how would you deal with sitting in on these numerous committees in ensuring the students voice is heard so biotech is a demanding course I've been into society life from a very strong point since secondary reading I've been into committees for the last three years I think I've proved that I can manage my time and I can be organised maybe from humanities you could have 10 hours a week but money can be 32 hours a week and as well as that fit into society life I think I've shown that I can be organised and I have time management skills Being a prior time member this year in an academic position I've already sat on a lot of these boards so they're going to have to sit on next year anyway so I'm well experienced in them and I don't think it would be an issue to add any more especially if I'm doing this job full time last year compared to balancing it with my course this year so that's the problem When it comes to reading has anybody seen the amount of submissions that come in for the SLC for grant apps and for the society awards reading isn't an issue it's just a matter of it has to be done for the students so do it simple as that OK, OK Each of the candidates throughout this election have prioritised mental health issues what is the most effective way you believe you can do this in your role as education officer an approachable student union If we have a report of student union it's a massive resource that a lot of people don't tap into maybe they send an odd email down there but to have people to actually sit down and chat with do you know if you fail an exam or if you have to defer an exam or if you haven't extended out in circumstances now obviously I don't have the answer to that but I do have the forms I hope and the correct procedure to go through so I mean by using the student union as a whole as opposed to just just the welfare officer I think you can get the the much much support needed for mental health I think everyone has their causes I feel strongly about and having been massively affected by this myself during my time in secondary college not secondary school this is something I can definitely help but I know last year anyway I was involved with the video that Ken had put together for a mental health week where we talked about our own experiences and the amount of students that came up to me after that was insane and I was able to have all of them be able to connect with people and even if you don't have a clue what they're going to to sit there and listen to them and just not to be like oh it's going to be fine it's going to be okay sit there and listen to them and just be with them yeah I think I already highlighted one of the more tangible things that we can do for mental health issues which is safe talk training for all class reps and for any student really who wants it I think it should be made available the other thing as well is that we can do is I think prevention plays a big role about making students aware of stresses in their life that could lead to these situations and being able to help them, you know, cut that out um thanks if elected what do you plan to do to support the Irish language on campus and off campus Neela Longwell, Gwyl Mwch, Jenna Merritt Glynnaweil so I wouldn't be the best of the Irish but anybody who is involved in the Irish Circles in DC would know from the past three years that I've been down to your octus absolutely great crack but down twice actually and I've tried my very best to sort of embrace the language but it's something that I just can't grasp obviously I understand the importance of culture and maintaining that and I would like to have an official Irish house in DCU Olesgol Cynllangus, Olesgol Cynllangus, Adam am one of the big things on my manifesto that I didn't quite get down to there was lobbying to every relevant board I'll be sitting on next year for a full time DC staff position for a cultural promotions officer this is someone who is going to bring cultural things in we want to do lots of events with the study abroad students and there's a big thing like Ga and they want to do with all the Olesgol students every one Ga events that'll be an interest society thing so that's on campus and off campus and they'll do a tournament against all the other colleges at the end of the year and then it's what we want traditional music nights in Newborough I'm not even going to attempt those few words of Irish that Gary did I just have no concept of the language at all but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't love to I think that what we need to do as a union is sit down and look at whether or not we want to go the route that other students' unions have gone to such as in UCC and have an Irish language officer on our executive it's an option and I think we should consider it fairly there given the recent decision of DCU student to re-affiliate the U.S.I outline your plans for the next year ahead with this regard in this regard the last time DCU was with U.S.I I was nine years of age I mean it's been that long and look at me now so I mean I don't know what way it's going to go with the U.S.I obviously DCU is going to be main priority U.S.I have a lot of policies that I would be following myself but there's a lot of people apprehensive about and I'd like to just assure everyone that DCU is the first priority and then hopefully we'll see how things go I think our affiliation with U.S.I next year is usually beneficial specifically to our nurses and our LGBT community being part of U.S.I is going to help us be really proactive about our campaigns getting out and supporting our students who are being challenged on a national base at the moment U.S.I have all the campaigns to help the nurses get their proper wages and along with supporting the LGBT community as well so I think that's going to be massively beneficial for every student getting back involved in changing Irish social policy I think that what the U.S.I provides we wouldn't otherwise have for example a friend of mine in WIT was the education officer down there and a student once landed up to his office said I have a problem and he asked him what it was he said oh I'm about to be deported what do you do when you're confronted with those kind of issues now you can turn around and say I don't know but hang on till I pick up the phone and we'll get somebody who does thanks as an active DCU student class rep I have noticed the disengagement of many students with student life outside of balls and a few activities involving clubs and societies if elected how do you propose to tackle apathy that has grown over the last few years and an increase engagement with the students union we are wrong for the two other times I asked as an active DCU student class rep I have noticed the disengagement of many students with student life outside of balls and a few actively involved clubs and societies if elected how do you propose to tackle apathy that has grown over the last few years and increase engagement with the SU got it? got that got there so obviously it's down to it's down to everyone being approachable not just the students union the class rep system is something that does have to be reformed and it does have to be a community as opposed to an organisation I think the more active the class reps are the more active an entire classes will be and therefore the more active DCU will be so as a community more so than just a university having had to commute to DCU from Bray for my entire first year in a bit my second year here in college I know how impossible it can be to be dedicated to societies if you have to get say two hours of buses to learn from college every single day so one of the main things I want to push is a bit of activity a bit of entertainment I think our lunchtime events do really well and it's a great way to promote sober fun on campus and it's a really handy thing for people to get involved with and to really get a good buzz going on campus that isn't having to hang around until say six, seven at night when the later events are on so it's really I mean this again it's as simple as this there's two aspects to it one of it is becoming a more campaigning union where if we get involved in LGBT campaigns and the nurses pay campaigns I mean that's how we get people back engaged the other thing as well is with people on placement it's one of the issues I spoke about down in the nursing building on Friday is about just because you're on placement doesn't mean you're not a student here anymore and looking at how we can get these people engaged on events on campus, thank you The humanities student who asked that really horrible question is asked to be asked to the education officers as well with the culpaks faced by universities around the country and particularly at how we're getting at the humanities for culpaks if culpaks and of course those would be caught in DCU which would you save and which would you cut One minute to answer that question Don't know you'll be on it for one minute I have an extensive knowledge of the humanities course I've always been science and engineering I mean for me when it comes to humanities it's contemporary culture and society and communications that really stand out I suppose the best we did is to decide what needs to be cut the one with the least demand I'd imagine that's the best way I can answer No, obviously nobody wants to be cut and we don't want to I don't know how to answer that question I haven't a clue about humanities I really really don't I know humanities are the flesh of the bone of DCU society life but I say it would be very hard to cut something unless there was very little demand As a communications student I would argue that we are probably one of the most beneficial to college life here in DCU and we do have one of the most thriving society in club lives in the whole of Ireland and I think we are very responsible for that within the humanities building and obviously you can get away with cutting a humanities course a lot more than you can a nursing course or an accredited accounting course because there are certain things they have to do and they go out into workforce that we don't necessarily have to be able to put in the same beforehand if there isn't a demand for a course it doesn't make sense to keep it running and I think at the moment there's one or two courses where that may be dwindling but for the minute there's nothing I would see that would warrant cutting within DCU I mean at the end of the day you're an education officer for everyone regardless of what course they're on but within humanities certainly we have been the target of cutbacks over the last number of years we've lost staff we've lost students we've lost funding we've lost equipment but I would have to say that what we have to realise is that we're living in the 21st century and we have to look at our courses in that light and ask ourselves in the cold-height or hard light today well is this course outdated how is it going to help our students get jobs that should be the only question not money, thank you and so I ended the gauntlet of questions for our education officers I assume there's nothing else no, okay thank you very much for taking the time to come up here guys well done okay