 It's Bill Mann, welcome to cheer my neighborhood coalition meeting, here to learn great stuff. So can I ask the steering committee to stand up just so people know who they are? Oh, stand up. Thanks, it's fine. Thank you. Thank you. Christine Drennan, Belma, Kenya. Better do sure something. Come on, Jones. Very nice. And the person that's not here is Butch. And Ricky Fishner is also our manager. And Ricky Fishner, who took our name, is also here as well. Thank you for coming on such a rainy day. We have a social, we have a meeting in October, and we're going to formally launch our website. I don't know if any of you have a chance to look at it, but there's some amazing things that will help neighborhoods. I think help make the decisions for themselves. On December 1st, mark the calendar, it's our neighborhood social. So it'll just be about talking and eating and getting to know each other. And that will be the 1st of December at the Conservation Society Hall, but I'll be sending out messages to you. Tony, you want to talk about the website a little bit, please? Sure. Again, my name is Tony Garcia. I'm on the steering committee. We have saved the date for October 20th. It's a Saturday. The menu is to be determined, but the intent is to have the official launch of the Tier 1 neighborhood coalition website. Currently, the website is under construction, but there's quite a bit of information that's currently on the website. On the 20th, we're going to take a really deeper dive on the demographic data of neighborhoods that's currently being posted on the website. Also, the workshops, the Tier 1 NC workshops are currently on the website, so neighborhoods can use that as a reference. We're also going to have the open forum for neighborhood input on the 20th as well. We also have neighborhood input photographs of neighborhoods that we can post on the website. The intent really is to promote the Tier 1 NC mission statement and elevate the concerns of our neighborhoods here in San Antonio. Just save the date, October 20th, Saturday, in the menu is to be confirmed. If you have an opportunity, check the website at Tier1C.org. There's quite a bit of information that you can currently use on the website. Our role is to help neighborhoods self-educate so that you're able to talk to the city and have more information and be able to advocate for the needs for your own neighborhood. When we use these, you can go on the website if you want any of us to visit your neighborhood association to talk about any of the issues. We certainly can, but our role is to help you educate yourselves, us to educate each other and our own neighborhoods. Let's get started. There are a couple of people I want to thank before we get started. Anissa Schell of Tobethill is the person responsible for today's presentation. She worked with Monica Sabino and David Bogel. Monica's from Dignity Hill, David Bogel's from Alcavista. Teri Ibanez helped procure the menu for today, Teri. And she provided the coffee. Her organization provided the coffee. Brian Ortiz, who's the branch director of this wine series, also helped. We always want to thank Drea Garza of Monticello Park who does the printing for us. We could not afford, you know, we're not a non-profit with money. So other than the coffee fund, this was invaluable and this made a difference. We want to thank the Department of Neighborhood and Housing Services and the Mayor's office for providing the booklets today. They were kind enough to print some off so that each one of you can have one. We also of course want to thank Nowcast and Charlotte Ann Lucas and they always need your support. They are an organization that, if they put these videos online and were able to access them, and that is a very, very expensive process and they always can use your help. Especially coming up, there's going to be a couple of drives. So please, when you see that they need money, you can kind of put it out there and help them. That's a very non-profit. So thank you. So let's get started. Anisa, would you like to come on up? Michelle. I am a board member for the Devenville Community and I also am the president of both of the historic designation at Devenville North, which failed to be counsel. I'll talk a little bit about that in my presentation. I was also a member of one of the technical work groups for the National Council of the House of the Fourth. And I recently did part of this presentation at the housing summit with David Roble and Monica Cicchino, as well as Miki Conrad from Fort William. And what we're going to talk about today is a little bit of the housing recommendations and how it fits in with the concept of infill design. Infill is something that's really affecting all of our inner four neighborhoods. And so I wanted to give you some perspective on that. Go ahead. I'm going to talk about what is affordable. When we're talking about affordable housing, a lot of times people have certain ideas. We want to make sure we're all starting from the same page. So affordable housing doesn't cost no more than 30% of the household income. It should include rent and utilities, as well as transportation costs for renters or if it's a homeowner. That's going to include the principal and interest on your mortgage, insurance, property taxes, utilities, and transportation. And that transportation thing is really important because if you live far away from where you work, your transportation costs are going to be more, whether that's a bus pass, car payment, insurance, maintenance, gas, all that. We use the term AMI that stands for annual median income. In San Antonio, the updated number is about $55,000 per year for a household of three. That's usually not two earners. That's usually a single mom and two kids in San Antonio. It depends on income. And affordable housing is attainable housing. So we want everyone in our city to be able to live in a home that they can afford, something that they can attain. It's not just for poor people. It's not just for the lowest income. It's for all of us. Everybody deserves a place to live. In your pocket, you have a colored handout from the Mayor's Housing Policy Task Force. The Task Force was very inclusive public context. We started at the end of last year. And really the goal was to understand the magnitude of the problem here in San Antonio. And the process was really driven by data. We had great teams of consultants that helped us get data. We had an SA20. A lot of work went into this to really understand what was going on. And one of the things that we saw is that a third of San Antonio households are covered. Meaning there's going to be more than 30% of their income on housing. Medi-annual prices are rising here in San Antonio. A lot faster than incomes are. So it's really creating a gap for being able to afford homes. This is not sustainable. We're obviously going to be in big trouble if any of the diagram is relevant to the gap. So the Housing Task Force created this framework as a way to be proactive so that we can't completely get ahead of this problem. And we don't basically run under the data type. Or it's housing problems than us. The Affordable Housing Force is really on the 60 to 120% AMI risk. That means if you're making $55,000 a year and your mom and two kids, you're making 100% AMI. That's about the salary of a school teacher. So this is really Workforce Housing. We're talking about housing for teachers, for firefighters, for police officers. We're talking about housing for healthcare workers. And this sheet you have in your pocket as well so you can look closer at it. It breaks it down by the different percentages of AMI. And it has some of the top occupation for those different groups so you can look closer at that when you have time. Right at the 80 to 100% is a school teacher. So when we're talking about affordable housing, we're talking about housing for our neighbors. We're not talking about any other group. We're talking about people that are already in our community. So this slide shows a breakdown by council districts. So you can see if you look up your city council district, you can see what the needs are, where you live, what's going on with your neighbors. It breaks it down. The first one on this slide breaks it down by the number of renter households, the number of homeowner households, the total number of housing units, and how many vacate units there are in each council district. And then on this slide, it shows you the number of cost burden households in your district. So how many households are struggling to pay their rent or their mortgage, or who are having a hard time getting to work because they weren't just buying for their rent, or the property tax. The median rent in San Antonio is about $940 a month, and it takes an $18 an hour job to be able to afford that $18 an hour job. Pages 15 through 24 in your play exam and all of these details closely, you can see this home and look at it and really to really get a good picture of the median in San Antonio. Again, all of this is based on hard data. So take a look at it. I encourage everyone to read through this more than anything you'll request. It came up with five overarching recommendations, and each of those is broken down into a policy recommendation and then strategies on how to get there. The five overarching recommendations are creating a coordinated housing system, which would be kind of like a one-stop. We already have something like this in development services, and on the 19 and 1s of Alma, who want to create something like this for housing. For people who provide housing, can all be in one place, and people who need housing can come to that same place to get help, build out one application, and be matched up with housing in the city. We also want to create an online portal, which would facilitate this as well. The second one is increasing city investments. This includes programs like the Sea Chip program, the micro-program, and really just dedicating funding to this. And increasing affordable housing production, rehabilitation, and preservation. And that's what we're really going to focus on today. So I'll go into that more. The fourth one is promoting and protecting neighborhoods. And this, that sounds like what we should be focusing on here, but really it's about protecting the people who are most vulnerable in our neighborhoods. So special populations, such as children aging out of the foster care system, seniors, veterans, the homeless, the people that are having the most challenges right now. And the big one is ensuring accountability to the public. We want the system to be transparent, and we want to be able to make sure that when promises are made to the public, this promises are kept. So like I said, we're going to focus today on increasing affordable housing production, and rehabilitation, and preservation, which was the third recommendation. And in the framework that's pages 36 through 40. So if you guys want to flip over to that, so I'll help you. We need to grab a couple more chairs. Is it true? The recommendation is to stabilize the home ownership rate in San Antonio by increasing the production, preservation, and rehabilitation of affordable housing. And the way they want to do this is to prioritize city funding and incentives for home ownership and for households up to 120% EMI. We also want to increase funding for down payment assistance and home buyer counseling, increase funding for housing rehab programs like the owner-occupied rehab program that underwent my repair. The second policy recommendation under this heading is to increase rehabilitation, production, and preservation of affordable rental units. They want to build more. Again, prioritizing city funding and incentives on rent-restricted units, which means they don't want someone to say, oh, it's going to be affordable because it's only $700 a month, but then you find out there's a studio and it's only $400 square feet, and no one with two kids can land in that for that amount. We also want to prioritize funding for new rental units and communities that are linked to transportation, jobs, and cultural assets. So that means looking forward, if we're looking at the regional centers in the comp plan where they want to develop more transportation hubs, they're going to want to concentrate more housing in those areas so that it makes sense so that people can get to their jobs. If they have easy access to transportation, it's going to decrease their overall spend on housing. They want to create housing opportunities for the most vulnerable residents, including the homeless, seniors, youth, if you have a foster care system, et cetera, and increase funding for a service in rich housing. That is removing barriers to the production of affordable housing. They want to undertake an inclusive public process to determine standards and criteria to allow buy-right zoning for housing development in which 50% of units are affordable. That should be form-based. No. That's not it, guys. And it says exempt affordable housing units from SOV impact fees and revise the UDC to remove regulatory barriers to affordable housing. So what is the city doing today? They are changing currently the seat shift and ICREG updates and that is going to go to city council on October 11th. A lot of people probably have already heard updates on that as they live in one of the neighborhoods that is being affected by it. If they haven't, I'm going to give the briefest overview about it. I'm not an expert in that, but I do have contact information to get to the city if it's something that affects you and you're concerned about it. The next thing coming up is they're revising the UDC to remove the regulatory barriers and that's going to be forming in October. And the recommendation on that is for the mayor and city council to establish a technical working group composed of informed community members and experts with technical knowledge and development zoning and regulation. So if that's something that you're interested in get educated, get in touch with your council. And the second thing will be the public process to determine criteria to allow by-risk money for housing development in which 50% of units are affordable and that committee will be forming in November. Same thing, it's going to be the mayor and city council that community. So the ICRIP is now going to be known as the fee waiver program. ICRIP stands for any inner city reinvestment and fill policy. It used to be that it had a boundary and now it's going to be citywide. If it includes one of these four commandments affordable housing, owner-occupied rehabilitation, historic rehabilitation or business development. And under historic rehabilitation there's also legacy businesses that have been in business for 30 years or more. This is something that we can actually any of us here could benefit from if you meet if you meet new qualifications. So if you live in a historic district you can and you're doing something substantial to your property. If you have a vacant lot in a historic district you may be able to qualify for these fee waivers. The fee waivers include SAWS impact fees which are the fees that SAWS charges to connect you to city water. They are waiving these fees if you qualify for the program to help encourage infill development and make it easier. One thing we've got by the way is that there's a little no-down there that says short-term rentals will not be able to get that incentive. So if someone's planning to develop a property to use as a short-term rental when the short-term rental ordinance passes and a permit is needed for a short-term rental they won't be able to get a short-term rental permit. Short-term rental meaning how long is okay well when I say short-term rental I don't mean like a six-month rental. I mean like Airbnb's or vacation rental right owner on the way. Short-term. Anything less than 30 days. People like doing vacation rentals. The CCHIP update CCHIP is City Center Housing Incident Program and it used to be it was created it was suggested in 2010 when we started the decade of downtown and the focus was on adding housing downtown in 2012 it was adopted and it was incentives for any kind of city housing projects. It was an as-of-right program which meant if developers qualify for these programs they receive the incentives without going through a lengthier process with the city to apply to them. So it was really created to encourage development in our downtown area quickly and it worked we've had a lot of development in our downtown downtown has really changed. It had three parts the Sotsky waivers tax reimbursement grant which was the city only taxes could be reimbursed for up to 15 years and so that's not schools that's not county taxes it's only just the city portion. And a low interest loan for including mixed use. So if it was going to have retail on the bottom and residential on top they could qualify for more. But to address the changes the boundaries are being reduced originally it was 36 square miles which was like the original boundary of San Antonio then it went down to 5.4 miles in 2016 now it's going down to 2.6 miles. So it's just this orange boundary that you see right here and part of the reason for that is neighborhoods were pushing back saying that the city was incentivizing redowning for infill in a way that was negatively impacting our neighborhoods we were feeling like it was creating displacement issues and so this was reduced partially to address that the new reduced areas of low, urban low density and medium density and no redowning if you have to redown the property then you won't qualify for the incense. The name preservation part of it is what's going to be a positive change for the infill it's no longer incentivizing those projects that have to be reduced down from a single family to identity they won't be qualified for this and they are now going to be subject to a design review process and all projects that would be for a short term rental would be in and I put Chris Luzara's contact information up here because this is like the lightest version of this program in the review ever which is actually here but if you live in one of the neighborhoods that are on this map I have a couple extra copies of the map and sort of a slight overview of this and the city has been really great about sending people out to do presentations to explain this program to people so please reach out if you are interested in more information and again Chris Luzara and contact information up here and his contact information up here he's with the Center for City Development and Operations Department I assume this presentation is going to be shared with everyone with the slides we can look at putting it on it's going to be on my website everything we ever do is going to be on the website so you can go back and yeah so what is form-based code? the reason we're talking about form-based code is because when you dig down into the framework when they talk about by-right naming they're talking about form-based code the form-based code in which it defines form-based code as a land development regulation that fosters predictable built results and a high quality public wrong by using physical form rather than separation of uses as an organizing principle for the code a form-based code is a regulation not on your guideline adopted into city, town, or county law a form-based code offers a powerful alternative to conventional zoning regulation you want to translate that in here? yeah I guess I'll say we're going to that's the focus of the remainder of the presentation because I think that's something that all of us are really concerned about I know many of us are anyway so go ahead and do the next before you see the form-based code institute this is language now from the framework it's critically important to increasing housing affordability at all levels of the housing spectrum to accomplish this conventional zoning code should be updated to form-based code to describe the outcome desired by the community form-based codes regulate the form of the building in a prescriptive manner at a sufficient level of detail so that the outcome is predictable this means that the conventional design review process is unnecessary enabling by-right review to accomplish this community should create a detailed community vision write prescriptive regulations and enable a by-right approval process so form-based codes specify how developments should look it's less concerned with the use if it's a coffee shop or a barber shop they care about how it fits into the streets surrounding it and form-based codes are predictable the process is streamlined to allow more housing to be built faster without going through the typical process that we have now and the results are predictable so the builder knows what they have to do in order to go through this process and get it streamlined and the community knows what the results are going to look like there shouldn't be any surprises it's very similar to an NCD so the chaos is at the beginning everyone gets together when you're making an NCD and says this is what we want our neighborhood to look like here are all of our rules NCD is a neighborhood conservation district which are standards that communities write themselves it's a zoning overlay right now and it becomes ordinance so you get together over a year's time everybody sort of works on what they want things they want to preserve about their neighborhoods and my neighborhood is not gorgeous and then it's written into codes so when someone pulls a permit they have to abide by those specific things probably let's the board of adjustment very severe we're going to talk about that later with form-based code similar to what we just said with this teacher program being as of right if they meet the requirements of the form-based code then they would go through the process smoothly if they want to do something that's different that's outside of what the code prescribes that's what the code details out that says these are the rules you have to follow that has to have this height and be set back this far from the street and it has to have a front porch and be made out of hard work then they would have to go through the process if they're trying to do something outside of that if they're meeting all their requirements it's going to be smooth and that's if this passes we're going to have time to discuss this after we're done with the presentation so form-based codes address development patterns the development pattern is the geometry of the buildings and spaces so this is Westcray and you can see these are the original houses and these are the new development and when you look at this you can see the new development really outside of the development pattern now this did go through an NCV but ideally with the form-based code the details of it would be at the beginning in a way that if this would get through or if it did get through it would have to go through the board of adjustment process it would have to go through a rezoning process or a design review process in order to be built this brings us to infill development and preserving neighborhood character and integrity so we do need housing at every income level from down to the 30% and below to above 120% and that can't happen if we keep annexing the city and going further and further out because those transportation costs are getting greater it's also creating a bigger burden on our city's resources so it makes sense to have infill development and that means more housing in our neighborhood for neighborhoods the challenges that we're often facing is the removal of our affordable housing that already exists for luxury homes infill with homes that are not attainable and that's what we want we want homes that are attainable and we want homes that are compatible with what's around the neighborhood prescribing building and city form is what we need to do to preserve and enhance our neighborhood's respective characters so that means getting together at the beginning of the process similar to how a neighborhood conservation district is created and laying out what that would look like I think it would look like something that's compatible sustainable and affordable that's okay so we want design for compatibility one of the things that we often talk about is the missing middle housing that's going to be duplexes triplexes and fourplexes little courtyard apartments things that we actually have in our neighborhood are ready we'll head to the next slide so here's some examples of some of the missing middle housing these slides right here David Bogle sure so you can see there's a duplex a side by side duplex a stacked duplex there's a little bungalow court small multiplexes I think if you drive around any of our older legacy neighborhoods you're going to see similar things to that next slide but one of the challenges is why what's happening in Minky Park or what hasn't happened in Minky Park this was a duplex on Claremont actually there's two of them you can see the fourplexes those are fourplexes so fourplexes on Claremont so that means eight families are living in these two structures and there's a lot of space in between the fourplex and single family homes on either side of it those were demolished but these so these are people are calling them the skinny houses they're single family homes they're designed to be they're really being marketed to a different demographic than the people that were living in those fourplexes so they're replacing residents the people who were living in Minky Park sending their kids walking distance to a really great school Marlon Mintry is arguably one of the best Mintry schools in SAISD they were walking distance from there now they can't afford to live in this neighborhood go to the next slide do you know how much they sold for? over $400,000 they don't want to hear that so those those sort of double story shotguns or any houses they think are calling them cottages are selling for around $400,000 and they're becoming rental and that is true and as you can see right go to the next one you can see right here this is from Zillow this is from Zillow just last weekend this house on Claremont is for rent for $24.50 it's a three bedroom house this duplex one side of it is a two bedroom it's for rent for $8.50 an incredible house if you are affording it within their 30% and aren't cost burdened there is no way they can just jump up to that price no way children we have heard stories of children being displaced from these great schools and having to leave the neighborhood we have stories of people who want to make a park and went to soap works and they leave the place again this is my problem is your neighborhood's missing middle housing missing or is it already there and just missing from your neighborhood's redevelopment there are some great redevelopment projects that have happened I know one that's right on the border where they redeveloped one of the little multi-gambling homes it looks great I want to show some local examples of this in our neighborhood so you can see this is housing that fits in with the neighborhood I'll show you this this is one of the yellow houses this is an example of mid-block infill where you have missing middle houses next to single-family homes you can tell it works the spacing is still spaced farther from one another so they sit back on the street in a similar way the heights are in a similar scale there's nothing popping up there's no towers in the middle traditionally in our older neighborhoods there are a number of the units for housing especially the one we need to own our city usually I can't really see it on the screen but I do have an illustration later where you can see parking can be addressed in creative ways that aren't taking over the front of an house I think that's something that's standard with those skinny cottage houses in many parts is instead of having the front before the front it's made with interaction the cars are up front so people can just drive in go in their house and they know where to see so it really is a suburban design in our urban neighborhoods this is another example of being used as more of a transition so you have the single-families up top then the yellow multi-families next and then you have a commercial zone after that that can really work and this is something that is being proposed along the corridors right now missing middle-housing in our neighborhoods so this is Alta Vista this is the tri-crux and then two four-plexes and you can see they're set back to the street the parking is going to be in the rear of these as well this is this looks like, I couldn't even know they probably have a driveway that goes back in between the buildings when they work in the rear so you can see the parking is back here around the corner this one is Mickey Park and they have the parking off to the side and that's really common as well so everyone in this single family can be in-field too this is Dignity Hill on Olive Street and it's still being built but you can see that whoever built this home did a great job matching the setback of the existing house next to it the form of the house is really similar fairly from its neighbor and the roof line is really similar it's something that knows a bit then this is another example in Dignity and I don't know if can everyone tell which house is in guess this, any guesses so the light can go in so on this side, which one is it the middle one but it's not that easy to tell if I didn't have this picture would you be able to tell it's not obvious that's great the setback has a similar porch sticking out so it's in-field that fits in anyone know which one is the in-field here the green one not sure it's the green one I actually looked up this address on Google and if you look at it the picture they have currently it's still the vacant lot so you can see this house and this house I decided the green house was built but there's nothing in the middle it's so cute built it I have it I actually personally don't know but my office in Vienna knows she has records of all of the houses that are being built this is yeah, we're 17 north all islands can you say something to remember that these are in historic districts a design for the process that's happening with this that compatibility and that's something that we should definitely remember not all of us live in historic districts or have NTDs I personally don't live in an area that has any kind of design protection I don't want to advocate necessarily for a form-based code but I can say that if we had a form-based code those areas of our city that don't have a conservation district or historic islands would maybe have a shot of something compatible going in here's an example of two houses two single family homes on one lot this is also a dignity it's six to eight and six to ten thoughts in and you can see there's a front house and a back house but when you are on the street you can't see the back house really and the front house is set back similarly to the houses around it those two houses have a historic form is that like a big house in the front and then it has an additional unit the back or is it two separate single family homes and they're similar in size actually I wish I had a cleaner but the back house you can see it has a really similar they're almost the same they have the balcony at top the balcony at top and this one is quite different from the other houses do you know how much that's all I don't I don't know I will tell you that I'm just wondering if there's any single family homes going in and anybody can actually buy what's going in the middle of this what I will tell you is what's happening in the community is a lot of these are happening on lots that are vacant so they're not turning out houses but they just got torn about three or four years ago and there's still a lot there not all of the communities but a lot of it's open it's open it's open it's open it's open it's open it's open it's open it's open well you can just tell me if you ever paint on the porch but it's the they're set back but you know it's it fits in right the house blends in it's not going to pop out at you it's not going to stick out like a sore tongue and I believe that if we could get something if we could work through the chaos at the beginning if we could get to a point that we could agree this might be possible okay, study, we're going to call it what happened on East Missalto Avenue so this is my side of the street this is where I live and my daughter's home street often react with that's too dense especially if they're trying to bring them to IDV and so this is just an illustration of some different possibilities so it's a background it develops a lot at least two this is also on Missalto so this is across the street from the house you can see my neighbor's house right there she's lived in that house her whole life and then there are these two little duplexes the lots here are 25 feet wide there's just two lots I'm sorry, 50 feet wide there's just two lots so the parking lots in the back you can tell they drove down the middle they parked in the area and they bought them they were occupied and they were bought but I think they just saw the writing on the wall and they gave us what we proposed is something that a lot of us have seen they were proposing six two-story single family homes on the lots that would be facing each other so they're all facing in with a center drive so this right here is Missalto Street and this would be the driveway going back I'll just stay there for a second in order to do this they would have had to read down to IDV and we were okay with we did feel like the lot could have more density than it currently but we felt like six three-bedroom homes was too much for this space we were really opposed, we opposed them at zoning and they pushed forward so we filed for historic designation and that initiated a very long process and ultimately we didn't have enough support from the landlords in the district that we had proposed to make the district common so it failed at city council but during that process Jim Bailey from Alamo Architects had heard through the great what was going on in the community and he reached out to me and said, tell me your concerns tell me what you need, what are the names and he called up the developer of this property and he said what do you need, how many units do you have to have how many square feet do you need to make this project so I'm going to show you that so here you can see a street view this is Mr. Adir's house and there are the duplexes they were torn down and he proposed he proposed was also 16 minutes it was two sets of duplexes and two accessory drawing units in the back from the street, this had a really similar feel to it, it had the same setback, he kept those little cute round walkways kind of just as a match of what was originally there and the scale was appropriate so this setback sort of matched the houses on the street on either side here's an aerial view so this kind of addresses the property so you can see there's a duplex and a duplex and then a parking area in the back which would be completely there and from the street and then two accessory drawing units back there, so those could be replacing the affordable housing it was single story in the front and it passed up to two stories in the back so it had the same square footage that the developer was looking for initially and it had the same number of units six units, same square footage totally different layout we loved it, loved it and we realized the lot could hold that amount of density unfortunately the developer didn't go for it it had been a painful process they dug in so it was dead so instead of this we got this I live across the street from the family I did have a question do you know why the developer decided not to move forward with the redesign even though the designs were already provided? I can't I can't speak to them was it a surprise? did you know? I don't I don't know that way our communication had broken down so Jen had taken his design to them and they from my understanding were essentially non responsive but I can't speak to any other reasoning I don't know so how do you six, six, six are they all rentals or they're all they're still under construction they started at the end of last year or I think they got the okay, in August of last year I think they started at the very end of last year they were foundation so they're each one has parking next to it so these ones, the front ones have parking behind it but they're all garages so it's a partial floor partial living space and garage underneath it so I don't actually don't know they do not get IDD on the project so they are still down to R and 4 they I don't think they can do a fee-simple sale to sell them as condos because they're all on they can do a lot right but from what I've been told there's no plan for that yet and they may be rentals you guys there being so much I left as we get out I'm not getting all the answers they're reaching 1350 and 1550 each three bedrooms two after girls let me see anyone have other questions about that before we go forward I have a question I'm made up of this historic west side resident association where's the west side depending on this and we don't know where the west side is right some of us we have the poorest area and I'm wondering how do I fit in here how do I tell my residents whether they're this kind of you know and I started coming to this so what I'm trying to I'm coming here with a group of passionate people that have been homeowners and working hard folks all their lives so I represent one of the poorest tracts district life is very close to the social agencies you know some of what I take away from here is some of the initial stuff that you talked about the program that the city offers under one room I understand that but there's still houses coming in you've been built on these lines that are that big of a cause there's flippers and there's all kind of things going on so I just thought I could put it out there well what is said to the address and we'll talk about this more as we as we converse after it's the sort of building component and this is a nice part of the technical working groups for the housing and that was one of the things like okay this is great design so we've made it easier for developers without a white community what does that do to affordability and that's something we haven't talked about so one thing to keep in mind well a couple of things first is the by right zoning that's being talked about and form based code that's being talked about in the framework is specifically for affordable housing so at this point they're talking about creating a committee to design something and come up with guidelines for something that would be just for affordable housing not for market rate coming well 50% affordable it has to be at least 50% affordable of course most of us many of us I think would realize that that may be something that if they feel it's successful they would extend to the city overall so I really want to encourage people to get on those committees and to attend those meetings and the chairs if the city council is appointing people and you're concerned about your neighborhood try to get on to the committee if you don't get on to the committee show up to the committee sitting there and watching and listening gives you information that you can take back to your community and it also puts the pressure on to make sure that your neighborhood is not forgotten and that your neighborhood is being advocated for and just going to the story of that neighborhood in this case since you even got to develop an architect to come up with something like how could the city have imposed a mediation between the neighborhood and the developer because there was something that some contentious and all of us knew about it and some of us came to speak on your behalf and that shouldn't have been built and they shouldn't have been allowed to build it should have been some moment to meet the conversation that would have been safe that's also something I think in terms of policy or whatever that you're talking about that we could put more pressure on I agree, I think we need to hold our city leadership accountable that's their job their job is to come in and represent the citizens in our city first and development and growth second development and growth is going to happen we want it to be something that is affordable and it is sustainable and it is compatible and I think it can be all of those things we just need to fight for it and we want the city to fight on our behalf and that means we have to pressure them to do so why don't we take those questions let's take those questions at the end so the point in showing you this illustration with my neighborhood oh that's a five foot step back that's nice let's go back to that first in case anyone wondered what a five foot step back looks like this is the new house this is my neighbor Marilyn's house she lived there for over 60 years yeah there is room for infill and there is room for density if it's done well so first we said we can't have six houses on those two lots that would be crazy but then we saw maybe we actually fit in the six houses if it looked like that if it looked like that we are talking about duplexes for units and then two little houses those really could have been affordable they could do if they got the seats they could have been missed opportunity I think maybe they can't build I just can't believe well if they're going to be providing affordable housing then hopefully they'll be able to qualify for some of the incentives and maybe that will work part of the transparency is holding yes but also it's part of it is holding both the developer to be accountable for those incentives if they receive incentives for a project we need to know where we need to be able to find that information easily without doing an open records request we should be able to say if they get an incentive for this project how much, what were the stipulations what were the requirements we want to know and if they're not meeting them or if they're providing affordable units but not putting someone in there that can actually afford it we need to know and if they're not going to hold the line they need to pay back that incentive but they need to be a slide just like you do out of the west side what they're doing as far as on the west side just like you had here maybe we could get together with one actor and we could put that together I would like to do that I apologize I basically relied on what I know of where I drive I'm going to live into a big hill we should look at more the issues across the city especially the west side they are all over they're on the north side the east side the south side they're everywhere I understand but I'm from the west side anymore I challenge you to come take the tour let me write everybody I do want to say that most of these slides are put together as emergencies out of response to something that's happening in that neighborhood also we stand there is because we are dealing with a situation they're dealing with a situation right now so we should definitely go see what the situation is on the west side we need to share that people need to know I think it can be really shocking when you see two cute little duplexes that people could afford and they're torn down replaced by six of these houses or you see that fourplex and it's torn down skinning houses it's alarming you realize those are people's homes and people are being displaced and I think we need to talk about what's happening people need to be aware of what's going on could I make a comment? yes I think what's very important is to have engagement from all parts of the city what's very important here is the tier one website we have gone out asking for information from all neighborhood associations from all the coalition members to send information to the website so it can be loaded on the website so it's really incumbent upon our neighborhood associations to get involved get the information out to the website so it can spread evenly across the city of San Antonio right now from my perspective I want to say it's heavily loaded on the north side experience the problems on the north side so we need to engage them from the west the website as well and the south side of the city and the east so this is a welcome we're going to have a launch October the 20th on the website we need neighborhood engagement from all parts of the city and this is a great opportunity to get everyone involved so often we get emails from neighborhoods saying well you're having this zoning issue and this is a place we can put that zoning issue send a blast out to everybody saying you should go look at the issue and if that's an issue that's also in your neighborhood if that's something that you can help with letters from your neighborhoods or whatever that takes to go by stand by their side at zoning then that's a place that we can do that so it's an organizing tool for neighborhoods which most of us have some of the things we learn from each other I think that we're building this coalition of people who all bring something different to the table all giving the word out if you need someone to take pictures or send out stuff for you or get the word out in your neighborhood or get the word out to other neighborhoods reach out because there are people available to go like I can go and take pictures of things give me address let's get the information out that's what we're here for to help each other to your neighborhood coalition so the website is where we should create resources of all the time that's a good idea because we can offer opportunities to offer a lot of architectural that's what we have do you hear what she's saying maybe the website could also be a place where we have names of people or individuals or neighborhood associations that can do specific things so you can go take pictures you can offer architectural plans so let's finish up here and some of this conversation is relevant to the last part of the presentation so the last page on the little packet you can see the timeline and that timeline is also in the framework and that's where I got that so this is something to be aware of in October this month we're going to be the mayor and the city council are going to be establishing the technical working groups to look at the EDC and inform base code so going to the other items supposed to release the request for proposals reading the housing press and recommending changes constituted housing commission and city council to mitigate this placement so read through this timeline see what you can do see what you're interested in and be involved because showing up is incredibly important like so important so you should be looking for folks in your neighborhood or you that have some knowledge of this there's always that person who's read the comp plan who's read your neighborhood plan who's done the work or understands the issues like advocating with your council person this person should be on this committee what other options can you take because we've already been talking about this so obviously the committee and the technical working groups you can start the conversation within your own neighborhood like Claudia said almost also this has been reactionary the developer comes into the neighborhood and the neighborhood reacts that's what often activates people that's what activated my street I think that's what activated they need to become proactive exactly so if an association or the neighborhood is on your block doesn't matter get together and know the development is coming know your neighborhood level which duplex might be going up for sale and then establish or reinforce your vision if you don't have a neighborhood plan figure out what you want your neighborhood to look like if you do have a neighborhood plan read it, know it, understand it understand it back and forth because if you want the city to follow that and if you want your owners to follow that you're going to have to be the one holding it know your resources and tools get familiar with Ledda Star the city's website you'll know what's going on with zoning and planning land use neighborhood plans your entity standards if your neighborhood has them historic guidelines your major portal of knowledge and resources so make it simple your vision for your neighborhood and I'll show an example of that in a second encourage developers to approach you to approach your neighborhood and come to you in the early stages of planning a lot of times there are big plans for developers and it's built already in their mind they're really far along in the process if they're zoning, hearing, or schedule they're really far along it's too far, it's almost too late it's not too late but it's almost too late so if we can get them earlier in the process it's going to be better for them and us information that everyone can use and make your already available has two boards down for me on my website state your name and neighborhood exactly after all of this two houses down for me I live in a little cottage and I'm playing by squad 10 you know, single family we've got a really nice next slot two boards down for me was the salmon industry's house everyone is familiar with the salmon industry of helping out for a grant limited time passing of order all of a sudden no one was there no one was there for months I got on the phone this is what's happening the salmon industry is selling their properties across the city this impacts all of our neighborhoods they're selling those neighborhoods and they need to know already they're selling those because they're changing the way in which they work with others they're going towards vouchers for apartments and so on and so forth rather than maintaining the properties so this means that those little complexes and quads across our tier one neighborhoods are going on the market and this one was sold like that it was sold to a family who then put in an apartment and we did an apartment where they're selling their daughter so it was kept you know, it's in a family now it's no longer an affordable housing but at least it didn't explode into a huge development out of the scale so I just wanted to bring that up so that you guys know that's something that and this is what I'm saying be aware of it because it's not something that's an advertising point is there some place with a list of advertisements no, no it's all yes, a lot of times these properties are sold off the market it's really easy to tell the properties for sale there's a realtor sign outside but a lot of times they're not I found out who the realtor was because I had this conversation with the Sam office months before it went on the market months before a sign went out I called the real estate agents office and they did not return my calls and other people called and they did not return their calls just saying so what does it look like oh, maintain open communication with the city offices and council representative don't forget that, that's really super important but that's critical you know, knowing who the contact who their zoning person is or their planning person is really helpful to you I know in district one and she has done a great job of engaging with the neighborhood I didn't touch it well I would go backwards go backwards two times I really wanted to show this historic district, vacant lot and new construction and inventory um so this map shows their historic district every red dot is a vacant lot this is two, I don't know I think Monica Savino are probably their old architectural committee did the work on that you know, Cole? got it from Monica so she may be just be doing this herself but this, I mean this shows every vacant property in their historic district and then it shows where a single family home has been built are the three dots so up there you can see those where they have the multiple single families and that big group in the box up there and then there's individual ones or there might be two one one lot but this is a huge tool so think about making something like this keep track of your vacant lot keep track of properties that you see or vulnerable, maybe it's a vacant house that's been sitting for a long time and then all of a sudden you see someone they're kind of moving around looking at things or putting up some paint and you think they might be selling keep an eye on that lot that's a great idea, we just got big maps from our city council of a sky view and then a street view so there's 24 by 36 we then went and have a laminated they're down back and we're going to use visit markers and mark their vulnerability spots for whatever reason except for one night we're going to have four or five people that will look together what's your name and what neighborhood? I'm sorry, Ian E. Gluck and I live in Delby awesome, that's a fantastic idea you know national night out was a great time to capture people that may not already be involved in your community your neighborhood association because a lot of people come out for those events and that's a great way to get people engaged and they have a vacant lot on their streets I don't know where it is I have a little snapshot of Tobin Hill's neighborhood plan here because your neighborhood plan is really important you may already have a map showing your vacant houses or vacant lots it may be old ours was done in 2008 so there may be some changes to it but that might be a different place to start but know your neighborhood plan so if we don't your neighborhood plan first and then the it's or try to mush it together good question I really don't even know I think getting the vision of what your neighborhood what you want your neighborhood to look like the neighborhood plans were created with the planning department so you'll probably need to collaborate with the city on that I can't necessarily answer that question for you but if you're on the list for an NCV, don't give up that spot well I have a question regarding the NCV because I'm thinking hard we're currently going through an NCV review process but it's been expected to wrap up in the next few months and it's been problematic because about 50% of people who are on the community are developers including grand people from the same family so I guess the specific concern I have hearing about the new form based zoning I mean, would there be problems since all the sessions are based upon the old use based zoning and now if the new form based zoning comes up I'm trying to figure out if there would be any negative impact but the city has not said they're doing form based zoning the reason we like to go on to it is because as part of the process for the housing was this idea of form based zoning there's a lot of talk about it but the city hasn't said we're doing a form based zoning but it's something that's out there and we know when something's out there it's something to start with and it was talked about only in context of affordable housing like how to get affordable housing and so they're looking at it as a possibility and I think that's what the community is really about is determining if this is a good fit for San Antonio I think as far as you're into the heat so I don't live in one so take what I'm saying with the grain of salt but I think that's where it's really important to have that communication and relationship with your city offices and your council office so that they understand and so they can keep a perspective of who's advocating for what and I know that requires trust in the city departments and I know that that can be challenging because many people have been burned in the past but I do think that if we can work to rebuild that trust it will be the most beneficial thing we can do for our neighborhoods not to say to let our guards down but I think we need to foster that relationship as I should say but as an association I would also check with the rest of your membership so if those voices that are dissenting are not representing the majority of your neighborhood or their voices then that's not equitable and get the rest of your membership to really get involved and bring that to the attention of city leaders and we know that just showing up to meetings can be impactful and other members of your community show up to those meetings and sit there and watch and then if things are going too far one way or the other they can speak up and even if they don't have a vote if they're not on the committee I don't know exactly how the NCD committee process is working but having the numbers there to back you up is really helpful so sometimes it's just about showing up and being able to see things and I'd like to add something to that is that our councilman in District 1 I don't know how many of y'all are in District 1 so who are you? Mary Johnson one of us is the terrorist so it's so important I know now that we go to those meetings that our council people ask us to come to because if they don't have us there backing them they can't go to the city manager in planning and development services because like what you said the developers have all the the room at the table because we're not going there taking up our space at the table so our council people cannot defend us and we don't go to those meetings and get behind them and say and so they can show them these are my constituents these are the people that vote for me and they're here and they have this seat at the table and I think our council person was so happy at that AIA meeting I can't even remember his name but he was from the city manager's office he was so proud at how many people showed up and I can tell that he wanted that person do you remember his name Cynthia? I can't remember his name but he was he was proud because he was like look these are our constituents and they do care and they do just have a seat at the table and so one of the ways to do that is we do these meetings and these meetings are among neighborhood leadership whether you're on board or not it's not enough for you to go home and go okay that was interesting I'll think about that you have to share this with your community and get different neighborhood voices and have everybody part of this conversation or really we're just spinning our wheels in your neighborhood leadership you have to take that I do a tier one thing to our board and in our neighborhood and in our newsletter updates from tier one here are some important issues that are coming up in our neighborhood so that's also important how do you establish a plan after you talk to your committee community and everything do you go to a district do you give it to your the west side is trying to do that so I think you're reaching out to the planning department your council person reach your council person first and then ask them tell them you're interested in making an appointment for your neighborhood can you speak to the community for a different question well it's part of what we're discussing I'm Denise, I'm in the government hill and a group of our neighborhood went to city council on August 2nd and I appreciate everything you're all doing but I think that we have to bring them to the light that the city 35 if they want to do we went and we thought we could we had to read some of it we applied several months throughout the summer and had to go on August 2nd it's just obvious there are districts too he won't discuss anything replace him replace him replace him replace him it's not only the fact that as a community, as a neighborhood for everybody here I think a lot of people have to be aware of what happens in their own neighborhood associations because of our research and our information that we had to go and find out that the rumors were true our president for our neighborhood association lives and works in Terramarck's property so we are being influenced by that so I mean when we're having developers already infiltrate our neighborhood association are we going to have to voice the city council we didn't have a voice so our membership has declined we've been removed from membership because we were the dissenting dissenters of holding a voice at city council so they want to stop they want to go ahead and cease the citizens from having a voice because they all work with developers not only is that an issue it's the fact that when we do have an issue with the city now we have meetings with them they don't want to meet with the city anymore because for over 250 residents who want questions answered they don't need to present so I really appreciate all of this and I think we need to work even stronger because we have a website now concerned about this and some of the meetings have attended they've actually said we're not concerned with home ownership anymore we don't want to rent trips that's what they said so my suggestion they might want home ownership my suggestion is to invite media when you're at the meeting there comes a lot of this and you're getting that kind of response invite the media and by an app cause reach out to Ravard reach out to there's a new word one called the SA-Herman express news and if you need contacts let me know but giving the word out because that's if they're not being held accountable just by the fact that you have 250 people in your community that maybe the city the mayor city needs to know what's going on and maybe getting other council offices seeing what's happening I actually told them Ravard can have a loan loans are not going to be available and what happened this week USA pulled away over 100 loan loans they did think I'd rid of their loan department which was no good let's get back to it but I made a suggestion for you now you're in the battle but for those neighborhoods that are about to go into this battle it's important that your neighborhood charter some of these issues that no one can take over I remember my own neighborhood we had a big struggle our board doesn't make decisions our board facilitates decisions and no one can say well you can't be on this committee everyone can be on the committee the moment you start putting those kind of boundaries in your neighborhoods think about it as someone you disagree with being empowered and then think about your charter in light of that that it has to be we don't charge dues, we put out a newsletter in English and lots of people disagree in my neighborhood about a lot of things that's what we're there is to chop it out as a board member I don't have the right to say it's supported by the charter or it's a vote from our neighborhood that's something else that's also been doing we've been strengthening our bylaws because we are seeing what's happening in other neighborhoods and we're trying to be proactive there's a lot of money to be made in our neighborhood and it is wise to strengthen those bylaws that you have then or get your community make a new community association it would need to be done so protect your community and make sure that the people who live there are being represented one more suggestion for you is to reach out to your state representative so that's a good statement what's going on I really want to just show you this last slide and then we can do any other questions this is the development portal that I created for the Tobin Hill community association website this was actually created on the suggestion of just one of our members she's not on the board she joined our Deming Task Force and she made this suggestion so you can kind of see underneath that where I said it's on Tobinhill.org there's a tab that says development and it has on here a link to our neighborhood plan which is on the city's website so the developers can access that easily if they google Tobin Hill community association this page is going to come up out of the top there's also a link right here to the historic guideline there's a link to email our historic preservation committee chair person or zoning club force chair person there's an address search tool if people aren't sure if their houses are in our historic district or not because Tobin Hill is not all of his work some of it is and some of it isn't so there's contact information there's information for development whether it's a property owner who just wants to fix up their porch or somebody who's trying to build something new we're trying to taste it to make it easier for the developers to reach out to the community earlier on in the process we don't want them to have an excuse to say oh well we tried but the neighborhood just didn't respond to us we want to put it all out there for them to be able to get a hold of us also we have our meeting big listed so that's one suggestion I know there are a bunch of other questions about the last slide that I had so you created that for your neighborhood? I did, I'm managing the website right now so I ended up with a suggestion and I thought it was a good suggestion so I made it and I showed it to the board so they have a school so we have a little bit which I'm glad that you're an instructor but I want to make sure that please say your name remarks brief because it would be respectful if other people have things to say let's not use any names of any organizations or developers or visits on Nowcast we're not here to pick on or to talk about one specific thing we don't want to I'm Jack Finger with Beacon Hill my question is what will success for this program what measurable goals are there where are they and what so that you will know that you have fulfilled them and to the point where this program this list of this well proposed bureaucracy it can go away I think that's an excellent question what does success look like I think it's going to look different in any neighborhood depending on the neighborhood you live in I think success is going to mean something different to different people we do know that we need more housing so I think getting more affordable housing getting more people who need it into housing that they can afford is going to be successful ultimately I think most of us are here because it's about our neighborhood so I think if we can have a successful dialogue with the city and with those who are looking to develop their neighborhoods and create something or not the committee is initially going to be established to decide if by-raising and a form-based code is going to be successful for San Antonio I think that committee determining that will be its own success to create a form-based code for by-raising that will be a longer process but I think it's going to look different in every neighborhood the north side are different than the south side the north side are different than the east side we should keep in mind what does success look like we need to determine that and go to those meetings and ask them to make a this is what the should look like at the end I think that's actually something that we should all just keep in the back of our mind what does success look like does success look like not changing anything ever? I don't think so not in my neighborhood in my neighborhood I have room for more people but what does that look like for the end result we still need to decide that My name is Label and I work around from District 6 people also like to ask how many veterans do we have here please Jane I think we have the young and we have the once in a while experience what it is is veterans in my neighborhood or from Vietnam and also right what it is is veterans sometimes for up-to-date disability the problem is that the US government recognizes the distinction is not to be included also ACOT is the other organization that don't include the patron of the veteran disability how about the city is the city recognizes this not to be included in the income levels because now you have a veteran that for some reason doesn't he got injured and of course he gets so injured a little bit but he's a little bit over the mentor so that's what it is I'd like to ask where are you getting your funding from is this going to be on a yearly basis or are there changes are you going to cut on that those are really good questions I don't work for the city so I cannot answer those questions I can tell you that the funding is talked about in this section on funding so I encourage you to read that and I really can't answer the other questions but I can help you find out if you want or we can I do know there's other programs just that I heard about like I know Habitat for Humanity has a sister organization for people who are making up to 80% of AMI and they have a sister organization called Cross-Temper Elms that is for people for 80% of AMI and above so if they're not in one they can qualify for the other but I don't know what specific situations that you're talking about what does your name and neighborhood look like don't come in just about six any other questions okay go ahead sir I know many of you I'm Tommy Atkinson I was the state representative for district 119 for a number of years more lengthily commissioners supported for 16 years and had the unincorporated areas in my precinct but I want to congratulate tier one I think it's a wonderful thing that we've begun a group to do education and membership until the neighborhood resource center went under the reasonable lets we've got to do that too and all of us have to but in England is our executive director and Liz Boehner is on board is probably some of y'all but the main thing is to get a voice in government because if you're not careful the money forces will absolutely drown you out and they're serious about it we wake up and go to work they wake up and do their lobbying thing and I know because I've been you know in public office but I wanted to congratulate y'all for what you're doing here I know that Boehner would love to work with y'all and make sure we're safe for it there's so much work to be done nobody can say well they're going to do this no we all have to do that so anyway thanks for all of y'all being here and I'm looking forward to working with y'all as we roll through the process thank you so much the Bolland Center is an excellent resource and you know someone to partner with it's not just your home but we're focused on the downtown neighborhoods where they're focused on all the neighborhoods is there anybody else that has a comment about the subject and then Amelia will be the last to speak regarding the subject of displacement and people being effective by being forced out of the home mainly because of taxes or anything like that my name is Richard Costa we have a 501c3 nonprofit we help people protest their property taxes for free regardless of income regardless of where you live in San Antonio so we try to help people out in protesting property taxes for free and also in the development we are getting into development we're going to be trying to start building homes under $100,000 focusing on people with 50 to 60% AMI ranges or if lower possibility but we're going to be building in infills we're looking to working on designs and district 5 is the one that we're focusing on right now because that's where we see the need currently and so I just wanted to let you guys know what's your fun number do you have a card I need your card my name is Mikasa my city is my home thank you so much and maybe you can ask him for his phone number afterwards since this is going to be a Tate you are next thank you we are involved in a constant battle oh I'm sorry Greg Rips, Highland Park Neighborhood Association the southeast of downtown that you've ever been to the little red barn that's probably the association because that seems to be the most famous land market we did score a victory last January we learned the plans to place a 96 unit apartment complex in the middle of our neighborhood and the place was originally a supermarket and had become the moose lodge well the developer had offered a moose lodge a large amount of money but in the process they were from this in our food we don't like this the developer had to qualify for some incentives and tax credits we did not get the support of our city council person we did not get the support of city council which supported 20 similar projects which went to a state agency which scored the points that they got we wrote to our state representative to declare this neutrality which did not give them points but then let them give us points either and we encouraged our members to write we learned that they did not get the credits they were looking for and that people at the moose lodge said that they had withdrawn the offer and I don't know how much effort we can take credit for but we'd like to think that some of this pressure that we exerted did have an effect on them and we're not completely out of the water something else could come along they'd better stay in a property that's the same zoning as someone else that made the moose lodge that offered and we are exploring other defensive avenues to think in the meantime but I just want to encourage people that sometimes you do score a victory and all I know is that when they had a meeting to inform us of the plans in such a way that it seemed it was a done deal that 150 people in the neighborhood showed up and we're almost to the person in opposition and so we can make a difference thank you I'm Diane Dewstra with the Ingram Hills neighborhood association I guess I had a comment and a question one was neighborhood conservation districts were mentioned earlier we were the third neighborhood district in the city I was under the impression they are no longer facilitating neighborhood conservation districts well I believe that's true in terms of the creation of new neighborhood plans because this came after our work with the city planner for SA Tomorrow because we're in the midtown plan and that's one of the ones that they're initially working with and at first we were told that all the neighborhood plans were going away or there would be a door and we're not being recognized by the new midtown plans there was a big pushback on that at least in some of the neighborhoods for the midtown zone and then we were told that we still haven't seen the final language we were given lip service at one of the last meetings to say well yes you know we will recognize the existing plans with the exception that if there's conflict with the new midtown plan those will override any prior midtown plans and there was apparently some encouragement for people who had existing plans to see if they wanted to update them but I would give the impression that they won't support the development of new neighborhoods but I'm trying to help some conservation districts oh I think there is I'm not, I don't work for the city but it seems like what I heard is they are still doing NCDs there's a waiting list yeah I think there's a waiting list for the community association meeting but the one before the representative for our council office mentioned that you can get on the list to create an NCD so I don't I think contact your council office to verify but I believe that you can still do it I just think it's a lengthy process and it takes a lot of city resources as well and so that's why there's a waiting list does anyone know when the last one moved because I've been searching all around it used to be much easier to find the list on the city website find it now and to me it looks like the last one might have been in 2011 I don't, I would suggest calling Melvin Services probably my question was do you know how many people are, how many slots there are on the technical working group that are discussed but when we find out that something will put out through tier 1 I think that's important information we're used to sending updates and putting them on the website these are updates at least we've talked about can I see how many did you well there are comments also I mean in terms of the technical working groups you said you have to know so can tier 1 offer another workshop just to learn the language for folks that might be interested and don't have that capacity right now we've been toying with the idea of sort of city planning 101 or I used to say city planning for dummies like those of us who this is not some people come to this as former architects or city planners I'm calling English teacher like the learning curve for me is straight up in the air and a lot of us are the same way we're still struggling to learn the basics so I might be sending out an email about some of you want to sit down just at a table and let's do the 101 let's do the really simplified version of this and start to build build a scaffold so you can create to start putting more information so you can sit on these committees and go to the meetings about okay I know what they're talking about unless you're like me who's like I have no idea what they're talking about at the time so let's do that together I'm going to put an email to do that that's an instant solution and then to follow up I mean at least enough at least then maybe as you all mentioned you have more engineers or architects that are sympathetic how can we get some of them especially in the street five because as you have mentioned here two or whatever the near west side is the place that they're coming after and again the way the city has worked with the developers is getting code compliance officers to help knock down land you know home after home after home many of them historic and so we just have a lot of empty watts and again always challenging the city because it's poor people that are losing housing and they're you know so how do we do that because now that housing bond money is targeted starting in the street five so that you know right now with that twenty million dollars right now I'm glad at least they're going to buy a land that's a million dollars but what I'm understanding is that the developers will only be charged as little as ten thousand dollars with that million dollars so one of the things the west side has done is started the west side neighborhood association coalition Winnac and they have the mayor at a meeting for two and a half hours including all their elected officials like I don't like your neighborhood but my neighborhood couldn't accomplish that so right now they are an important ally and it's about you've got them there for two and a half hours. I don't know how much you've heard or how much he's going to act on but the idea that that's what we all need to do is to start you know start forming local coalitions as well and combine our voices and so do you want to do that what do you want me to do? yeah yes I went to the city's website and I searched NCD and you get all these ten pages of NCD stuff and some of it is very current like it looks like there's one in the works right now for disclose April Hills so yeah this is like right now 2018 doing that so it is on the north side yeah so I just yeah they are still it's under development services right now in their place in their place yes I'm just so thank you all so I have an invitation a place that was written by I get emotional because these are the quotes that I should add part of an important area where one time another reservoir came and kind of blocked the distinction that affordable housing was important so there's going to be an exhibit joined by Ms. Bernanze-Pizzi just centered the Wasek Preservation Alliance and it documents the history of the Alizana project works San Antonio's oldest largest housing development and today from 4 to 6 we want to invite everybody to come and join us and at one time this place was threatened by demolition so we continue to be a part of it so I just want to invite everybody and I got more invitations invitations and other things this is one more they want to permanently this beautiful plaza a lot of it what we think about is what is open and people can come and enjoy it they want to prevent it with lots of money so there's a little conversation about that but I have other information here please come by and take an invitation thank you Tony we're about to close okay first of all check on the t1nc.org website what we're doing is we're developing quick links to city website instead of going through the city website and going through the cavernous approach it's t1nc.org there's resources there's quick links to the city's website such as str we're trying to make it easy for folks to actually get into the city website and go to those specific areas that they're interested in also calendar events this coming week this week there's aia events which is on calendar events on t1nc.org and then October I think the 6th district 1 is having a land use presentation at their office so check the calendar events on the city on t1nc.org website and then it's starting in a few years that's on t1nc.org and then one final comment I'm on the city's new in-built development I mean I volunteered to the website for a presentation on IDZ so people have a better understanding what's coming down the road with regards to IDZ and the new residential R1 R2 zoning classification so if there is an entrance for us to do a presentation to your neighborhood association yeah, thank you for the question so we had 42 people today over 26 neighborhoods all council districts except for we need to work on four we've been at least 4 and Saldana has expressed concern that there doesn't seem to be a strong neighborhood leadership in that district so reach out to those folks so make sure the information today gets out to your neighborhoods we have started to have partnerships we're just exploring partnerships with the suburban neighborhoods being a remote centered around downtown and so we've had several leaders from coalitions out there to see how we can intercept and have more of an impact to all council districts so thank you for being here today and can I get that one? Yes I just want to say this by our city our neighborhoods in general is so worth fighting for and we're never going to have the power that the developers and the lobbyists aka attorneys have and their money but we have our vote and that is very powerful and they know which district to vote and the more people you can get out to vote I don't care how they vote but if they know you are voting you're going to get their attention and they're going to know that they need to listen to a neighborhood when I say we don't care they know that they're going to have to listen if you get people out to vote and what I think success looks like is us having an equal seat at that table when they get in a room we're there too and we get to form what is happening in our city well sir I'm the outsider I'm the very landlord and I'm from nine alliance I'm also president of the north central thousand notes neighborhood association and the reason I'm here this morning is because tier one is very very important so is the district nine alliance and as Cynthia has just mentioned if we work singly if we work as islands sort of in the sea we are not going to amount to a hill of beans if we do work together and we speak with one voice the northeast alliance district ten district nine alliance tier one all of us working together and speaking with one voice then I think we will be heard that's right well we found that