 Good evening. Good afternoon. I hope you all are doing wonderful I almost not quite as wonderful as I could be doing but because you guys are here And I think I'm gonna make it. I want to cover something that someone asked me to cover to talk about I want to cover from a different position and that is Were we given to Christ now? You've heard me speak on this before but the reason why this comes up because there's some doubt some debate and even as I Look at it right now even as I look at the the The poll question in the live stream chat Did God choose and then 5% said only the disciples some 5% said some of the believers 88% said all the believers 3% said no one all had free will Well, excuse me The reason why this is an issue the reason why this is a conversation today is because there are some that would believe That the all that were chosen Particularly out of John 17 that that refers to us will deal with John 17 in just a little bit But you would have to be honest if we're gonna be honest It's clear that all throughout history God has moved upon mankind In a way that he wants them that goes contrary to the way that that man or those people Would have wanted to themselves God has that prerogative why because because he's got And so even so much as to cause them to do things that they otherwise would not have done Now they may have stayed they want to do so but then sometimes God will move on a person And make them do the total opposite what they want to do because he's got think about never connected and there's others We'll get to more of those in a in a second So the question though when you think about that is how much to what to in what regard how so why why does God move on people? How does that work? How does that relate? Is it that he moves after we move or do we or does? Do we move after he moves who is the first one to move? Well, it's my contention as far as salvation goes that God is the first one to move or at least God's Moving causes us to keep moving there is one area and I'll talk about this later And I'm gonna have to flesh this out even more for you guys so that you can all get a better understanding really of my my belief in terms of Regeneration And so that is that necessarily has to come up But the point here is this does God Does he give people? Does he send them to anything? So that's really the question does God sin does he choose does he give people in other words? Does he do so in a way that's affecting also affecting their wheel or when he does so is it in concert with their wheel? Maybe decisions they've already made so they make the decision In this case to believe and then God goes along with that and then does something in them the cause of to keep believing Does he make them? Does he does he give them that to beginning and then what he gives us is the Is the what starts off us as believing and then we just keep believing so I want to look at that a little bit more and then also Looking at this particular text and matter of fact, let's go to this particular Texas is John Chapter 17 and I want to start here because This particular passage guys is not Jesus saying that he has given us or he's chosen us He's speaking in this case about the disciples. Let's go to John. Let's start in verse. Let's turn verse 5 Now Father glorify me together with yourself with the glory which I had with you before the world was I have Manifested your name to the men whom you gave me out of this out of the world They were yours and you gave them to me and they have kept your word now They have come to know everything that everything you have given me is from you So he's speaking of the disciples in this case He says for the words which you have gave me I've given to them and they received them and Truly understood that I came forth from you and they believe that you sent me I asked on their behalf I did not ask on behalf of the world But of those whom you have given me for they are yours now You some folks might want to stretch this and make this to be all inclusive of us as well But we're gonna see in a second that he's only in this case Talking about the disciples and all things verse 10 that are mine are yours and yours are mine And I have been glorified in them I am no longer in the world and yet they themselves are in the world and I come to you holy father Keep them in your name the name which you have given me that they may be one even as we are one While I was with them I was keeping them in your name By the way this issue right here while I was with them I was keeping them in your name that is an important point We might end up coming back and revisiting this this point later, but I've stayed before there's there's two ways Throughout scripture that we have seen God Keeping people causing folks walking folks having them to kind of walk in the way that he wants them to there's two ways Either something on the outside or something on the inside something from within or something from without Always well in this case what was God what was Christ doing to them? Well, he was walking he was literally with them remember there's no need again He said before there's no need for them to fast because as he says the bridegroom is there with them when he leaves They'll fast because they'll be away from them But he's gonna do something to kind of compensate not to kind of but to compensate for the fact that he's no longer there Even more so he's going to send the Holy Spirit and he will live in them And so there won't be something on the outside guiding and there'll be something on the inside guiding We need to remember that because that's going to be an issue as we look back to the Old Testament things I won't talk about that today, but just keep that in mind as we cover that later. So he says while I was with them I was keeping them in your name I'm sorry put it back on the screen I was keeping them in your name Which you have given me and I guarded them and not one of them. This is how we know This is the disciples not one of them Parish but the son of perdition so that the scriptures would be fulfilled So in this case we see he's talking about those that he's kept those that were given to him were who those were the disciples Not us But does that mean that we weren't given to him? Does that mean that us as believers you and I all of you folks in the chat? Does that mean that you weren't given to him? No, that's not what that means as a matter of fact We were given to him and I want to look at some passages Specifically in John, but before we do Let's recall the scene Let's recall the setup the the situation where which which we have been given the situation is this Mankind doesn't want to do right Mankind is like the character in in the movie life You all see the movie life with Martin Lawrence and what's the other guy Eddie Murphy? There's a character in the name can't get right. That's us All of us where they'd be Jews where they'd be Gentiles with the black white Hispanic Asian young old male female Bald or with hair it doesn't matter. None of us can get right. That's that's our name can't get right So you would be can't get right Frank. You would be can't get right Mary You'd be can't get right June you be can't get right Martha You be can't get right Herman just can't get right. Why cuz you can't get right if you ask you what's your problem I can't get right. Okay. Now we know as long as you know by the way That is a repentant way of thinking about it You think about it is a repentant way because Lord I need you why cuz I just can't get right now God asked his people to get right. He didn't say it like that, but he says Can you get right? I want you to get right. How do you say so he says in Deuteronomy 10 I want you to get your heart right. Why because that's the crux of the problem The issue isn't so much your hands or eyes your feet. It's your heart What does a heart dictate everything what comes out of your mouth what you do what you look at what you want to look at What you want to think about that is what's in your heart because what's in your heart is going to overflow out of your body You squeeze a lemon what comes out whatever is inside if you inject some orange juice inside the lemon Then orange juice is coming out of whatever is on the inside when you squeeze is going to come out And so the same with us sin comes out selfish desires all those things come out And so God has to say it God has said that I will Circumcise your heart. He tells them first to circumcise their heart, but they won't he's okay. I tell you what I'm gonna do I'm gonna punish you but when I punish you and I bring you back I'm gonna circumcise your heart then but there's a reason why he's gonna do that because these people they can get right and so in Deuteronomy 32 1st 21 Speaking of the Jews he says they made me jealous with what is not God So the Jews have made God jealous how so because he says they provoked me to anger with their idols So I will make them jealous with those who are not a people. Well, what do you mean God? Well, I'm gonna call some people who are not people to be my people and make those other people to be jealous These other people are also my people these Jews who are not my people, you know The Jewish can't get right people. I'll make them jealous with the Gentile can't get right people Why are you gonna do that? Well? I'm gonna do a work in them the same work that I'm gonna do in the Jews. I'll do with the Gentiles Well, what's our problem? What's what's the Gentile problem? Same as a Jewish problem Gentile can't get right Jewish can't get right So we got to fix that heart that can't get right and so what is he gonna do? He says I am going to make these people to become a people of mine to provoke you He says I'll provoke them to anger with a foolish nation All throughout the scriptures, especially no test you're gonna see this this this theme that shows up where he's talking about How he is going to call a people that are not his people to be his people make a foolish nation Not that that's an unfinished foolish nation. That's not a nation to become a nation and make them jealous He is gonna do that Child young cat. Thank you, but you're getting ahead of me. I'm coming there. Thank you though Thank you, old friend. So What's God gonna do with us the same thing is gonna do with there and I don't think it's really a lot of them Where the denying comes in is because it might it might Cause people to kind of have a reaction because it might go against their doctrine They're the way they feel their teaching and I get that I get that it went against mine Because you mean to tell me I don't have as much control over the things that I want to have well Yeah, you do you have you have full control over your life problem is when you have full control over your life What happens there's a big crash? There's an accident They're gonna be some ambulance calls from fire trucks and jaws of life police department everything because when you're driving You're gonna wreck you're gonna think you know the way you're going and you do not so Look what God has stated Jesus states in John let's start in John 6 35 He says Jesus said to them. I am the bread of life. He who comes to me Will not hunger and he who believes in Me will never thirst now the issue is what is this word right here? What is the We have to think about tense voice and mood and So here we have a present middle part of simple The important part is the part of simple This is the the the continuation the ing So it is so how you read this is I am the bread of life The one that's coming to me If you read you can read it in the English and it might look like if you come to me you will not hunger and That's a true statement by the way if you say if you come to me the problem is that's not what this pastor saying There's no condition in the statement here It just it's a statement of fact the one that's coming or the coming ones to me will not hunger and by the way It's an emphatic negation of a subjunctive They will never ever ever so the coming ones to me will never ever hunger Well, the question is how do they get to become the coming ones to me and then also the ones who believe It's not saying if you believe that's not what it says look on the right hand side again Hot pistol one and you hear this you guys should know this This word it should just follow your mouth just driving one day. You just automatically say hop pistol one You're you open the door someone knocks on the door hop pistol one you answer the phone hop pistol one you type accidentally You don't even know how to how to write in Greek But you just write it in however it sounds in English hop pistol one because we say it all the time Why because that is most often how believers in Christ are Described in the Bible those that are in a believing those that are believing this present active participle So what is that the believing ones those that are believing and so the believing ones The coming ones they will never thirst But I said that you have seen me and yet do not believe speaking of these other people who are not his You do not believe Now he says all that the father gives well Who's the all in this case? It's universal every single one that the father gives and I want you to focus look at this word Didosin This is a present active indicative. So those that that he is given all the ones the father is given to me that he's giving This is a present active indicative statement of fact by the way will come and This word is in the future active indicative mean that will happen It is a fact and so it's never you can never come out and say that Whoever he gives does that necessarily mean that they will come and we've got to figure out. What does it mean to give them? That's something that's what we're gonna have to figure out as well What does that mean when it says that the father has it given them given them to Jesus how? But he says all that the father gives to me will come to me now the tendency might be to for some might be to figure out How does it how do they come? Is it that he he gives them to him by giving them the gospel? Well, it can't be just giving them the gospel Why because a lot of people have been given the gospel and do not change do not come So it's something that God is doing all that the father gives It's all the father gives not that He gave the guy all that the father gives will come to me and the one who comes to me I will in no ways are certainly not cast out. Oh, by the way another emphatic negation of the subjective who may ekbalo So they will never ever ever catch so one God is going to give them to the fuck to the son God is going to give them. Who's the them all to the son? All those that he gave to the son what will those do so let's say here all the ones that he's given You're all the ones that he's given. What are they gonna do? They're gonna come and Those that come to the father What will they never have to worry about ever being cast out? Are you with me? So for I have come down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me this will Sent me that all that he has given all that he is given all these given to me To be a point of fact, I will lose none but raising less and I want to look at this word right here Give it this word right here. Let me move this up a little house. You can see this is the word the doken This is a perfect activity perfect tense the perfect tense means The perfect tense means that it is a completed action in the past Now the problem is though The problem is all that have been given Haven't come yet Matter of fact all that have been given haven't been given yet. He's still giving That's why I wanted to kind of draw the contrast here verse go back 37. I want you all to see this for a second All the father gives he is used the word the dozen. So this is a present active tense All the father is giving and Then we go down here verse 39. We see the word the dose the doken This is a present active tense mean they were given in the past So all those that were given in the past. He is giving now. Are you with me? All those that he's giving now they actually point of fact have been given in the past How far in the past don't know all we know is it's before the folks that were given actually came So let's just use a person for example. Let's just say let's say Sheila and Jeff were given Sheila and Jeff were given I see there because that their names are right there in front of me as a as the comments go by Sheila and Jeff were given Matter of fact lovely too because lovely said she's with me. So thank you lovely for being with me So Sheila Jeff and lovely were given They are being given By the father to the son But when were they actually being I'm use I'm use these words these verbs a little kind of rough But I want you to follow me. When were they being given? Well, they were being given in the past which which is why use the term the doken. They have been given So a good English translation is kind of to kind of follow along when we use the perfect tense is have been given So those that are being given they actually have been given and even though they are being given and actually have been given The past the issue is they have not they don't know it yet, but the Bible says they will in the future tense They will come So we got something's happening in the past We've got something that's happening right now and we've got another act that's gonna happen in the future Are you with me all of this is the result of God doing this This is not the result of you the only thing that you are going to do is you are going to come You will come as he says. This is the will of him that sent me all that he has given all that he has given And upon hot at okan and upon hot dead okan all the ones that have been given Look what he says More up to me mowing may Appalachia, which they will not I will not lose any of them But I will raise him in the last day Now this also speaks of eternal security This also speaks of him of eternal security verse 40 for this is the will of my father to everyone who beholds a son and Believes in him will have eternal life now. What do you think this word for believes is in verse 40? You should know this word this word for believe in verse 40 is the word that just you wake up in the morning You brush your teeth you go to bed all those things you're doing your hair you're making coffee It's that word that keeps fall out your mouth Pistuon hop is one now this case is not the hop is one, but it's the pistol on so all the So the ones that are beholding Theron Time we on the ones that are beholding or seeing the sun and Kai Believing again, how does he describe us as someone who is in this state of this? Active participle this present active parts of the state of believing ing we are the ones that are believing We're the ones of beholding. We're the ones that are overcoming. We're the ones that are following. We're the ones that are hearing That's us ing are you with me guys? He says those that are doing that him in him will have Eternal life as a matter of fact as a matter of fact, let me fix this it doesn't even say will have It doesn't even say we'll have the English is a little awful here Why because the Greek word here is ek which means to have mean they have it right now So those that have been given and they're being given and they will come they have life right now In other words, they will they will keep living forever That's the goal that this spirit that this soul of mine will keep living and Will not die it will never cease to live in other words go a certain place Absent where the father is in this case. I will keep living or they will keep living or in the story that we're using Lovely Sheila and Jeff will keep living Now let's go a little further. Let's go to 41 on down Therefore the Jews were grumbling about him because he said I am the bread that came down out of heaven And they were saying is not this Jesus the son of Joseph whose father and mother we know They're trying to play the desert. They want you know, they want to talk some trash to Jesus They were saying is this not Jesus the son of Joseph whose father and mother we know How does he now say I have come down out of heaven Jesus answered and said and do not grumble amongst yourself No one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws him Well, why don't now sometimes you have this argument back and forth with Calvinist and non-Calvinist I'm not a Calvinist, but I'm a jump on the Calvinist side on this in defense of them Because what they're saying is correct because folks gonna say well, this is not a this is kind of a calling a bidding It's an effectual call, but it's not him actually doing the physical drawing The problem is the problem is that would mean that this passage is divorced from the previous passages Because we're talking about the ones that were given So all Jesus did was just use a different word to talk about what he said earlier He's talking about all the ones that were given you guys that have this problem you guys are better grumbling you weren't given But those that were given they're gonna come how because he's drawing him So you can look at him pushing him pulling him carrying, but he's delivering them. He's giving them How so by drawing now if you think that it's just a hey come on all come one come all Nope, that is not the way it is. We're gonna see that just a little bit though, but he says Mmm-hmm. He draws him and I will raise him in the last day So the exact same phrase that's being used where he says I will raise him in the last day Well, where do we get it a few verses earlier in 37 and 39? Well, I will raise them in the last day She says I'm talking fast. I'm talking fast. I got a lot to say you guys I'm not talking fast. You guys are listening slower. You gotta you gotta listen faster It's the coffee though. I'm sorry. Let me slow down a little bit. I Can't do it. I can't slow down to I can't slow down that much It is written in the prophets and they shall be taught of God Everyone who has heard and learned from the father comes to me Everyone who has heard and learned from the father Comes to me Not that anyone has seen the father except the one who is from God He is asking the father truly choice into you that he who believes has eternal life He who believes has eternal life Well, this word for believe What do y'all think this word is again? What do y'all think this word is? Again, it's that very same word that you wake up in the morning. I don't care if you've got morning breath Whatever, I don't care when you eat and breakfast what it just falls out of your mouth Hot pistol on hot pistol one is derived from the word pistas which can be and pistas can be formed into a noun or verb Pistas means the faith or to believe pistol on pistas believing and so pistas Pistas or pistol on is those that are believing well, who are those that are believing ah That's an important question We'll get to the those who are believing because how do you get to be the ones that are believing because remember the believing ones? The believing ones were given How were they given we're gonna we're gonna try to make this fit even more so But notice what he says on 47 the believing ones This word ek they have life. They have it right now They have it right now. So they have what now life going on. They are living forever into the ages So they will not stop living or you follow me or as I like to say are you with me? Now Someone might say well still Cory. I still believe I Still believe that in John 6. This is still speaking of the disciples Well, it's not First of all, it's not because it's all of those that that uh that you're giving I'm first of all, it cannot refer just to the disciples. How do we know? Just from this passage the passage that we've read Because he says that the ones that that all the ones that you're giving He also says that you're giving well, he's already got the disciples at this point in time So there is no giving of them at this point in time. They have been given If you want to use that tense or you want to just use the heiress tense all that you gave But he's the perfect tense so these people that were given in the past and that can refer to just the disciples also But there's still a giving that's happening And they will come well these already came So he could not be speaking just of the disciples But even if a person wants to say that let's go to one of my favorite passages one of my favorite books John 10 but let's start in 27. He says My sheep hear my voice And I know them And they follow me Again, what do sheep do they hear they know and they follow that's what sheep do It's not if they know me if they they will find no It's not if they follow me if they know me if they hear he says no This is what they do my sheep hear my voice my sheep follow me my sheep know me I know I'm sorry. I know them but also says earlier in chapter 10 that they know me as well And look what he says and I give them eternal life And they will never perish and no one will snatch them out of my hand now. We're not stopping on verse 28 We're going to 29 29 says my father Who has given them to me is greater than all who's the them that we're speaking of the them Only refers to the sheep. Well, who are the sheep all of us? Oh, as a matter of fact, we know it's not this can't be just the disciples Because he even speaks of a sheep or a flock of a different fold They also will come to me. Well, who's he speaking of in verse 16? He's speaking of Gentiles You know the Gentiles sheep that can't get right as As along with the Jewish sheep that can't get right that he's made his that that were given to him These are the ones that were given to him by who the father And so he says that I have given that I'm sorry who the father gave my father has given them Now this word that's used here is the same word that we saw in John 6 the dokin They were given in the past Perfect is look look look at the bottom Um to the bottom left of your screen. I'm sorry the bottom right of your screen Where it says it's a singer singular perfect active indicative Perfect tense. It's a completed action in the past. Which means they have been given all the father have given to me them He says He's greater than all and no one is able to snatch him out of my hand. So they have been given to the father In the past So this also refers to what was stated in John the very same word the same tense the shoes To speak about the same thing happening They will come according to John 6. They have been given in the past according to John 6 as well as John 10 These are the sheep all of God's sheep all of the sheep of christ Have been given to him in the past given to who given to the son by whom the father That's why you see this imagery That keeps coming up Where he says remember the only people on the planet by the way that have this issue this question about Jesus claiming to be god Are atheists Muslims Why is that because they'll they'll point to passages where Jesus will make a statement that um My father only my father knows when he's coming back Well, what do you mean only my father knows? Well, Jesus is trying to make a point Again, we talked about this this the fact that the term father is used Um of god, but not the son not of jesus Again, this jewish tradition is The father will give the son the bride this bride who is Single Will be given to this single son of his The father gives the bride to the son In the jewish culture at that time When the father gives the bride now sometimes the son says hey daddy. Hey pops Her over there Her sure is pretty She's pretty. Can you get that one for me? Gee paul. I really like that one or You know what? I've I've went and got a bride for you Different ways different cultures so so forth. It's not how we do it today, but The father gets the bride for the son The father gets the bride for the son now what happens then? When does the bride Come to be joined with the son When does the bride come to join the son? This is why jesus makes a statement. Jesus is not making the statement that he actually doesn't know Jesus is not saying I have no idea because I'm I don't know I'm at a loss. Jesus is not saying I'm at a loss. It's not what he's saying Jesus is saying And the jews get it because notice when jesus makes a statement The jews get upset with jesus Because you're saying that that god is your father Making yourself also equal. They took that as an offense Today people who don't know the culture, especially the muslims or atheists or someone else Will say well, no, no, no, that's why jesus said i don't know or even even the oneness people the people that don't know That jesus god They mistake that they think that jesus saying no, listen me and him. We're totally separate. No, he's giving a point He's making a point. That's why the jews understood that that's what the jews fought back and pushed back That's what they wanted to kill him So in this culture the father states or the father chooses the bride When does the bride come to be with the son when the father calls? And in the meantime, I've said this before When the father decides it's time. That's why jesus says i don't know only the father knows He's not saying i don't know. He's he's In keeping with jewish tradition I don't know only the father knows as a matter of fact. Let's let's do this. Let's go to john Chapter 14 And look what he does he says do not let your hearts be troubled believe in god Believe also in me in my father's house are many dwellings or monies places If it were not so I would not have told you if this isn't the case I wouldn't i'm not trying to play with you guys. I'm not trying to mess with your minds I guess the term now is gas lighting. I don't know if that fits here. I don't know. I don't know how that word I don't use that word nowadays, but i'm not messing with you I'm not playing with your heart jesus said if there were not so I would have told you For I go to prepare a place for you and if I go to a prayer place for you I will come again and receive to myself but where I am there you may be also And you know where i'm going now. Here's the point that jesus is making again because in that culture The father chooses the bride Determines when the bride can come and be with the son in the meantime What is the son doing? before The bride comes What is he doing? Guys, you know this What does what is the son's job? What is the son doing? At the time or while the bride is waiting like us like we're sitting here waiting What is the what we know what the bride is doing? We're waiting. We're we're keeping oil in our lamp so to speak But what is the son doing? The son is a man Uh The son is preparing a place. He's building a house. He's building rooms He's building on top of either the father's land or on the house That's why jesus makes that statement He's preparing Oh, by the way, he's also preparing you But he is preparing a place. That's why jesus says I go to prepare a place for you If it were not so I wouldn't tell you that think about what jesus just said Jesus it's almost like he's talking to a child that's hurt A sad child. Have you ever spoken to a child? Maybe your child your child a grandchild and niece I'm coming back. Listen, it's gonna be okay. Don't the child is crying Don't lose heart. I'm coming back for you. You can just feel you just even the words You can almost feel the emotion coming out of jesus's heart I'm coming back for you listen If I wasn't coming back for you, I wouldn't tell you that I'm coming back for you But why am I going? I'm going to prepare a place for you and guess what? If I'm going to prepare a place for you that I'm coming back to bring you to the very place that I'm preparing for you Why would I prepare a place for you only for you not to show up? Jesus has told us all of those That the father has given me I Will raise with them lastly I will not lose any as a matter of fact all those that he's given to me they will come So not only will you come I'm coming back for you You're gonna be ready In the meantime, I'm preparing a place for you. But guess what? Party's not just for you. It's a whole lot other people People will say that it's incoming upon us to keep the gift that was given Well, yeah salvation is a gift that was given But if it's up to the person that received the gift to keep the gift Well, then it also applies to Jesus because Jesus was given the gift The first person to be given the gift was Jesus and he is not going to relinquish that gift He's not going to lose. Do you really think? Now I know you guys have lost things I've got three pair of glasses A whole another story. I'm actually getting used to the my new pair of glasses. I wear them in the evening But I got three pair of glasses It's easy for me to misplace one of them Yeah, I can misplace McKee's I can lose my train of thought Not Jesus Not Jesus If so, he is a liar as a matter of fact He's a heavenly liar If he states, I won't lose any not one and then wait a minute pull out his pockets I seem to have lost one. That's not going to happen I won't lose any It's a fact Book it down on It's not going to happen. Why because they have been given Now all of those that's been given How so? How does the father give us? Well, the first thing that he does in our life Is he's going to do something in our heart. That's why we talked about Deuteronomy 30 And what he stated even from the old He is going to fix our heart. Why because we can't get right So he's the the lord is in love with a bunch of idiots. That's us He's in love with a bunch of morons a bunch of people just cannot get right try as we may we just can't get right We can try And for a minute, we're good for for a day. You know what I'm doing. I'm doing well I got I got this this faith thing down. I got it linked And then next day, uh, I fell off So what is he going to do? He's going to fix our heart How so he's going to take out of us this heart of stone And put a heart of flesh how so he's going to put his spirit in us This is what we call this washing this regeneration This being born again And everybody who is a believer has been born again Now look what he says and it's not just the jews because in john 112 he says but as many Or hustling which is all of us as many as much all of you people that have received him All of you that have received him To them he gave The right to become the children of god to those who believe in his name So now notice what he says though verse 13 These people those who believe his name who were born Not of blood so you weren't born of blood You weren't born of the will of flesh Nor were you born of the will of man But what were you born? How were you born? You were born of the will of god. Amen Now am I reading this correctly? He says you were born not of your own will not of the not of the will of blood not of blood Nor of the will of flesh Nor of the will of man guys that covers all of you That covers all of you However, you want to look at it You can't claim that I was born of you know, I have a I have a A legal right because of who my father is not my earthly father my daddy No Or because i'm jewish No Because my grandmother my grandfather my mother and father they were both christian Because I go to church all the time we went to I went to church growing up. So I know You were born of the will of god out of yourself But of god So who does that include does that include jews only know that includes gentile? That's why it says as many as that's all inclusive guys All of us were born now. Here's the question though When were we born? Now by the way, let me just stop for a second This is where I might well not I might I actually differ a little bit from the from from my calvinistical brothers my calvinistical brothers believe that Regeneration it works this way and to some degree I go along with them that regeneration Preceeds faith For the most part I agree with that But there's a little bit of nuance that has to go in there that will kind of separate me Regeneration Is what keeps faith regeneration keeps us believing That's an act of god and regeneration And the reason why I say I'm in part and partial with it with the accountants because I want to make it clear Regeneration being born again does not happen because you already believe Does not happen because you do something You're not born again because god saw something in you. You're not born again Because you are doing the right way. You're not born again because you had faith first Whatever faith that you may have had and this work kind of get a little difficult because the bible is not totally clear on this part But if you've got some faith that faith that you have before you regenerate it ain't gonna last The faith that you have is temporal it's gonna fade because you don't have it in you You don't have it in you to keep believing Amen, jane less anyone should boast So we've seen in the old testament and in the new testament somebody that believe but stop believing That's not the same kind of faith. Why because their heart is not regenerated They don't have a good uh, they don't have a good heart whereby the seed the word of god is sown into The only way they can happen have this good heart is their heart must be changed This regenerated heart. That's the only way That is the only way someone says give scripture for this. Okay. I sure as a matter of fact, thank you for asking that question Let's go to let's go to lucate We're gonna be I see we're gonna be here about 10 minutes longer than I anticipated It's no problem though. It's no problem. I use this passage often because I think it's the clearest one He's speaking about the parable of the seeds and the so we're in the soil He says now the parable is this the seed is the word of god Those beside the road are those who have heard then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart So that they will not be they will not believe All right, let's pull this up a little bit so they will not believe now This word here is the participle so that they so they will not be believing and be saved because if you're believing If you're the participle believing Then you will be saved those on the rocky soil are those who when they hear Receive the word of god or receive the word with joy and these have no firm root. They believe For a while So here we've got the possibility of someone believing for a while. This is not safe salvation Believing for a while You could not be the ones that are believing because the believing ones will be raised in the very end What john six and john ten tells us If these are the ones that believe for a while they cannot be the ones that were given In the old testament we see a bunch of people a bunch of times that choose from israel They'll make a statement that they believed they believed they believed and then they were they were lost So it's possible that a person could have believed temporarily It's not the same belief that you and I have because our belief Is buttressed by this heart that we have this regenerated heart Regeneration is the heart being fixed The heart being made new The heart being receptive The heart is now made right. So when you hear the word The word rests in it and it grows Now I believe that regeneration produces ongoing faith If you believe but prior to if you have this temporal faith this faith that we see in luke eight or old testament faith Or that acts eight faith with simon the sorcerer If you have that kind of faith it's going to stop But that kind of faith will not cause God to regenerate you that kind of faith will not make you Be believing one of the believe it. No, no, this is now a work of god This is a work of god Now we can fight about the order of it. I don't care about the order I just know what has to happen that your heart has to be regenerated and that's the work of him those that were given Those are the ones that were given with a regenerated heart Because it's what he says in ezekiel. It's what he says in jeremiah. It's what he says in hoséa It's what he says in deuteronomy. It says what he says in exes It's what he says in and what not a little bit because what he says in genesis This is what he says all the the nuance that we would like to get maybe not We don't get all the details that we want to get but that's fine All we know that all those that were given Will come now When were you given? by the way, let me also summarize this up as well in romans 829 he says For those whom he foreknew he predestined So he knew now what does this for no means? I won't even deal with that today because it'll cause another argument. That's not what it means Well, I I believe I I I believe I know what it means, but I'll leave it alone But we know this he also predestined them who the ones that he foreknew so whoever it is that he foreknew he predestined them He didn't it's not a conditioner. It's not that he foreknew them Therefore he predestined because that's not what that's not what the greek text or the english text even says It's not I said they were predestined because they were foreknown No, it just says they were foreknown. So he predestined those whom the ones that he foreknew To become or be conformed to the image of his son predestined means to predetermine To destine previously to predestined that means i'm destining you and oh by the way this word predestined guys um This god this is god doing that He also predestined. He's the one that's predestining So that's why it's in the active tense the present active tense So he's predesting us or those to be conformed to the image of his son That we would be the first born among many brothers. So it's already decided. That's what he's going to do So it's not him basing his action off of our action. That's why I said if a person Had this little y'all know the kind of fake belief the kind of temper belief Yeah, I believe Jesus Christ out on the cross for me. I believe that The streets are littered with people who have that sort of Mental understanding. I know I know what the bible says. I believe what the bible says But I don't really believe it because I don't it's not in me At my worst, I don't call it to him at my worst. I don't look to him I don't place my faith in him. I still place my faith in me That's not the kind of belief that we're talking about So he predestined those people to become his children He predestined those people to be raised up That's why he says that they will become the first born among many All of those they will become the first born among many Or I'm sorry that he will be the first born among many the many who the many that were given The many that were given And and and just so I can just help some folks in the chat Because the whole argument Calvinism and so forth back and forth guys remember What what I'm talking about is not Calvinism Do Calvinist embraces sure they do but this preceded Calvinism This is bible And if a person has the label of Calvinist and they agree with this amen Amen, the fact of the matter is this is what this is what the bible says And you cannot really it'd be difficult to get around this it really it really would I'm pretty sure there's some that will say yeah, I disagree. So we're fine fine, but this is the bible I literally read from the bible and I'm and this is why I want to give you the Greek And so we we were predestined to become Well so that he would be the first born among many among who those that were predestined those that were given to him And now how were you given? What were you given? Let's give some more detail about being given First John 5 says that whoever believes now the word whoever is not there Although there is a greek word for for whoever but the word that's there is pos Poss what? What's the word that's there guys this word believes what's that word? We're talking about that just falls out of your mouth as soon as you wake up Soon as you eat your cereal is falling out your mouth when you get on the phone when you get to work High pistol on Thank you for calling high pistol on having to help you High pistol on so all of the believers all of the high pistol on all of the believing ones That Jesus is Christ Is born now notice this this is born. This is the greek word giga-nate tie This giga-nate tie Is also the perfect tense By the way, notice this The being born is the middle voice so Or it's actually you know what actually things the passive. I'm a little with the passive but those um They have been born of God. This is a work happening to you To be in him This is happening to you and when did it happen because it's a perfect tense Means it's happening in the past. It's a path. It's a completed action to happen in the past So they have been born. So these believing ones in Christ. They have been born of God And pos ha agapone those loving and also the loving ones they also I'm sorry loves the father And the love i'm sorry and the child born of him so All of us believing ones We have been born of God Now i'm going somewhere with this all of us who are believing we have been born of God Now this is the love verse three This is the love of God that we keep matter of fact that we keep Uh his commandments and his commandments are not burdensome Now recall we didn't cover but we've covered enough times in in ezekiel And in Jeremiah that when the spirit is in us, he will cause us to keep his commandments And so he says that this is the love we we're showing this by keeping his commandments So we will perfectly no not gonna happen perfectly but look what he says for whatever And by the way the word for forever is not there is it's the word pond or pos again pond So whatever or those that were born so or because all the ones that have been born Of God Overcomes so all of us that are born or have been born Are also overcoming the world and this is the victory that overcomes the world Our faith So the faith that we have Causes us To have victory Well, we get this faith because we have been born of God This faith that we're talking about What causes that what keeps us having faith? Where we never have to worry about not having faith because a regenerated heart is going to keep having faith Are you with me? If you are going to Um keep having faith. It's only because you have been born of God How do I know so well because first Peter says that all of us have been caused to be born of God by God Are you are you with me? That's my word And again, when this happened according to Ephesians it happened at the very beginning again. I like using this this passage Because he tells us that this happened just as he chose us in him in Christ Before the foundation of the world Procata Belize which is before the foundation before there was the earth was Before there was an earth Before there was a let there be before there was a rock that had water on it That was forms and void and the spirit was hovering over before that We were chosen or we were given to him And we know so because he chose us the direct object is us the indirect object is in him So he chose us to be in him Which is why we can say He God who began a good work in us will complete it He will perfect it Or what is this good work That we will come we will believe we'll keep believing we'll keep hearing we'll keep following we'll overcome all of that So To answer the question Who was given we were given and so now I'll go ahead and pull up Work child you can kind of say it I'm sorry. Let's put it let's put it on this one For my father's will is that everyone who looks on the son and believes in him Shall have eternal life and I will raise him in the last day. I was holding that button just so I didn't put it up Now someone asked earlier or put the statement up the Lord is not slack concerning his promise as some count slackness But as long suffering towards us not women any of us should perish but that all should repent And by the way, this passage 2nd Peter 3 9 It's clear that in this case is the passage we go to the go-to passage to show that God has not Pointed or chosen anyone to hell because that's what the passage little to me He has not appointed anyone to go to hell the word bulimai is is the word that she was there Divine creation says I have a question go ahead and ask real real briefly I don't know if you're a male or a female, but ask the question. I'll try to answer it. So Amen, I'm not taking credit for my salvation nor should you that It's just a weird thing I don't even want to look like I'm taking credit You don't even want to give the The appearance of it Because if you do then what you're really saying is that All of y'all were given to the sun And I came on my own accord But that's not you The bible says that there's none who seek after me. This is the present act of participle. There is none that are seeking So that's not you You don't have it in yourself. You're not good enough. In other words, you're not built that way You're not made that way. There's nothing about you. So take away the holy spirit. You'll fall you'll crumble There is nothing good about you. How do you say I'm with you? I'm gonna look it up How do you say I'm with you in greek? With is soon I'm his ego or m a You is soon, you know, I'm gonna figure it out. I want to figure it out I'm gonna figure it out I'm with you. I need to I'm gonna figure it out and then start saying it in greek So how do you say I'm with you in greek? Oh, I'm sorry, but we can't we can't we cannot cover that now, but Um Jesus is not the father and again the whole point the whole purpose of this father is One the statement that we have in isaia is idiomatic that he would be fatherly And the point of that the point the connection of him being fatherly is he this is remember Who is this stated to the states of these jews and so because of that because of that Um He can use this verbiage to indicate how this father son ride relationship is made So M. M. I see is that Are you saying that's what it is? I'll have to look it up. I'll have to look it up But anyway guys, I want to thank you so much. I hope this has been helpful Doubtful that everyone is going to agree something's going to be some disagreement, which is fine Which is fine Tell me what you think about it. Tell me why you disagree Tell me how I misuse the passages and then we can have some conversation But in the meantime, we will all keep believing the high pistol arm. Amen. Amen