 Welcome to Longmont Voices and Vision, a project of Longmont public media. In the midst of the darkest period in our lives, when we're bombarded 24 hours a day with news of the coronavirus and the human and economic carnage it's causing in our society, we're challenged to cope with our fears and anxieties, we're remaining hopeful about what lies on the other side of this crisis. This project presents an opportunity for Longmont residents to share with others how they're adjusting to new realities of social distancing and the kind of future they hope to experience on the other side of the crisis. I'm Tim Waters, host of these conversations in a Longmont public media volunteer. In this series I'll be asking Longmont residents, many of them your friends and neighbors, three questions. What are you doing to get through this crisis? Even though we cannot be together right now, how are we staying connected to friends and families? And what's the future you are hoping to see and experience on the other side of this crisis? I hope you'll stay with this series and enjoy listening to your friends and neighbors and learn from them how they're getting through and what they're looking forward to in a new reality on the other side. Here Brian Bagley, thank you for your willingness to lend your voice and your vision to this Longmont Voices and Vision project. So in addition to your contribution today, I just want to say thanks for your many years of service to this community as an elected official, most recently and currently as the mayor. Thank you. The listeners knowing that you're the mayor, tell us a little bit more about Brian Bagley so folks know who they're hearing from. Well, my name is Brian Bagley. I'm the mayor. I've served on city council since November of 2017. I've served as mayor, I'm sorry, I've served as mayor since November of 2017. I've served on city council since November of 2011. I currently serve in my second term and I did not think that I would be the mayor during the middle of the end of the world as I jokingly refer to it, the pandemic. And so I've lived in Longmont since 1999. I've got four beautiful children and a beautiful ex-wife and we've made Longmont our home and it's just been a real joy to serve. Well, you know, I'm going to ask you three questions. The first of those three questions really is based on the fact that we are all experiencing, as you said, you didn't imagine you were going to be mayor during the end of the world. None of us thought we would be experiencing what we are now with the effects of this pandemic on all aspects of our society. So in a time that none of us have any experience with, right, we're all trying to get through, how are you getting yourself through this incredible moment in history? Well, first of all, it's hard. I mean, flat out it's difficult on a personal level. You know, how I get through is I've got a few close friends that I reach out to. I've got a German shepherd and pup. I've got my kids and I've got employees. I've got a city and so I've got a lot of responsibility and duties that do not allow me to get too depressed and too down. And the isolation is difficult, you know, not being able to go out and socialize and do the things that keep us healthy both physically and mentally. Right now the gyms are closed, so I can't work out at the gym. I still go for a run every day, but that's not quite the same. I have a law practice with employees and we can't open our doors. So I'm dying to get back to work. I'm dying to get back into my routine. Not only are we facing an unprecedented crisis as far as just social isolation, medical danger with the virus, so to speak, but all the implications that come along as a result of being in your home all the time and the coping mechanisms aren't there. And so it's a very unique time in history indeed. Yeah, it isn't. And part of what is unique, at least in our lifetimes, maybe in the Spanish flu they had some similar experience with physical distancing and social isolation, but nobody alive today has experienced what we're going through. So with all that separation, the fact that we can't be together physically, how are you staying connected with your friends and family? Well, I mean, when you look back on it, there's going to be... So I'm complying with the stay at home order, but I am personally faced with two decisions. One, go out in the world and face the virus, or two, stay here and get depressed and suffer mental illness and all that kind of stuff. I'm staying connected through text messaging, through phone calls, through Zoom, through WebEx, those are two programs. I don't know if they're going to exist in the future, but I didn't know about Zoom or WebEx before this. I go, I visit my children at their mom's house. I go visit close friends, people that I say are within my social bubble. So we're not out there interacting with a whole host of people, but they're the same people that we're all kind of supporting one another and we're sure that we're okay. And so that's what I'm doing. Well, staying connected obviously is more of a challenge and also probably more important than ever. And as we do this, we anticipate an end to this pandemic or at least to the effects of the pandemic. And it's the last question, the presumption that underlies the question, is that whatever was normal before we got into the stay at home and a lockdown scenario and the social distancing, whatever the world looks like on the other side of this, likely to look somewhat different than it did go in it. So the last question is assuming that the world's going to be different in some ways. What's your preferred future? What do you want to see and what are you willing to help create on the other side of this? So I guess that what I would like to see has a lot to do with the way the world was as far as I'm concerned. And what I'm observing in this crisis, some things I believe. One is I do believe the coronavirus, COVID-19, is more dangerous than the common flu. I do believe that there is a danger out there. But there is also a danger of unintended consequences that we're facing by being isolated in our homes. We're facing increased mental health suicide rates, delayed education for our children, bankruptcies, which will impact nutritional health, future income potential for our children and their children. We're facing right now we're having a, and people aren't going to the hospital. Right now our hospitals are not full. Nurses are furloughed because they're not needed. And so on one hand, you're hearing all these things on the news about how dangerous the virus is. At the same time, I'm being confronted with just some brutal facts that don't support the fear of the virus. Not to say the virus isn't dangerous. I'm just saying that we're also seeing some things that are, that are indicating that thankfully it's not as bad. The results itself are not as bad as originally thought. Now granted that probably has a lot to do with social distancing. It has a lot to do with mistaken input variables, assumptions. I don't know. But what I'm observing is that the old world is still at play here. And you'll notice that I'm not saying that there, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. The old world says that the right wing of the political spectrum will differ from the left wing of the political spectrum. What I'm observing in real time is the left wing is saying, oh my gosh, we need to stay inside. The world's going to end if you don't. And you're saying the right wing say, oh my gosh, let me out. We need to work. Let us out. Let us out. Let us out. And there is a real chasm right now in this country and this state, especially here locally between the Democrats, the Republicans, the left and the right. What I would like to see in the new world is an ability to collect data, ask questions and actually just come to the table in a way that we're looking for truth and answers. Because I think that the old world, this current crisis is being driven by political ideology and opinions and everybody says that their, their opinion is backed by science, but I just look and I don't trust anything. So one is I would like the old world to go away and I'd like, I'd love to see those political divisions just die. I would like to see, I would like to see a healthy skepticism come back to this country. I think that older generations are naturally skeptical, but the younger generations, it just seems like anything we read on social media, we just buy is true. I would like to see the back go away when it's all done so that we all just have a solid dose of, is that true? We saw it in the last election with the Russians and Trump's campaign, we're seeing it now I believe to some extent with the regular media and social media and armchair news people. I mean, it's just, it's just a mess. I also think that what I would like to see in the old world is everything that existed before, at least in my life is temporary. I mean, it was proven to be temporary. The places we went to worship are churches. I mean, gone, you know, just gone and who knows when they're going to open, you've got the, you've got work institutions that would allow us to feed our families, close down, you know, clients that would, that would come in, just don't come in anymore. Money and financial security just gone, not just for me, but for my employees. Just everything just seems so temporary, which means we've got to look inside ourselves to start asking ourselves, well, what's really important? You know, it certainly isn't work. It's not the church. It might be things like purpose and faith and self reflection. I would hope that it doesn't take a pandemic, pandemic in the next 100 years for people to sit down and kind of reflect on, well, all right, what are my weaknesses? What are my strengths? What are my weaknesses? Or something to coin to phrase for me. What are my worst fears? My best hopes. We don't need, I would hope that we don't need a crisis of this level and months of isolation. And missing our old lives to really start appreciating those things that are important. And so I guess the answer is. Vision. And the way we look at the world, I would hope would change. I would hope that we would have more patients with one other person. I would hope that we would have a better understanding of what we want to believe. And we all be willing to come back to the table and be a little bit more patient, a little bit understanding, more understanding. And just finding middle ground that would allow us to view the world in a way that. We just admit that we don't know what the hell we're doing. And so why don't we try to just get along, love each other, push through together. Without the drama of the far left, without the drama of the far left. And so we're all just sitting in front of a video camera. And, uh, Other than that, you know, what's inside and your family's about all you got. Sounds like pretty, pretty powerful and, uh, personalized value statements. As the, as the connector and values. As the connector on the, on the far side of this. Indeed. Listen, I appreciate your time. I appreciate your contribution to this. And I'll say again, I appreciate your contributions to the community. So thanks for the time. Uh, thanks for your, your insights. Keep yourself safe and healthy. And, and your family and friends as well. You too. All right. Later. Sandy's here. Assistant city manager. Thank you so much for lending your voice. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Assistant city manager. Thank you so much for lending your voice and your vision. This long month voices and vision project. Each of these interviews, we've started by learning a little bit about the interviewee. So tell us who you are. Okay. Well, first of all, thanks so much for the opportunity. And Tim, thanks so much for doing this. I think you're right that, um, you know, when we, when you first sent information about this, that it started as an idea, but it's turning into sort of a historical record. Um, I think it's a great opportunity to talk about that concept because. Um, I think a lot of folks will talk about. Like the plague and what it was like in, in 1918 flu. And, and here's an opportunity for us to. To really record what's happening for people as it's happening for people. So thanks so much. Yeah. So I'm assistant city manager. I've been assistant city manager for. Six years, seven years now, but I've been with the city of Longmont for 21 years. I've worked with all the different departments on everything from communications to strategic planning to legislative work. And, um, my job now is to, uh, be the, uh, lead of the shared services, which are 13 divisions that are doing all the internal work. So that's everything from human resources and accounting and finance and budget, risk, fleet, IT, all those folks. Um, that are, that are really making sure that the organization continues to run all the time, but especially now. Sandy, you know, first of all, thank you for, for all of your contributions, not only for this project, but for everything you do for the city and our residents. Uh, you know, I'm going to ask you three questions. The first of those is in this time of, um, unprecedented, at least in our lives, the kind of. Physical separation and social distancing we're experiencing. Uh, how are you getting yourself through a time of, uh, of great uncertainty? It's a great question. And it's one that I, um, have been asking other colleagues as well, how are things going, what are the things that you're doing for yourself, um, to make sure that you've got the oxygen masks secured firmly on yourself as you're trying to help everybody else. Um, our department really shared services, support services for every other department. Um, and that includes everything you want to purchase, everyone you want to hire everything you want to drive. And so trying to make sure that we're taking really good care of ourselves and our families and our customers, um, is really, is a drive and a passion that I think helps to get us through. Um, certainly helps me to get me through every day. One of the things that I've been focusing on during this event has been communications to the community and to the employees. And really making sure that it's accurate, that it's timely, that it's constant, that they know that we're here. They know that we're in support of what they're doing to give guidance and encouragement to the employees. Um, to give encouragement and even some fun things to do to the, to the community. Um, I don't know if you've seen the rec pages, but they are doing online rec classes and they're awesome. Everything from senior yoga to cardio sculpt. And so lots of different opportunities for, for people to be able to connect and do something. Um, how I'm personally trying to get through all of this is just making sure that I stay connected with my team, that I stay connected with my family, that I stay connected with myself and my own needs as all of this happens because certainly a lot of us work from home at times before this, but not like this. And so making sure that people have the equipment, the, the training, the information that they need to be able to connect with each other. Um, has been really the other focus of what I've been trying to make sure happens out there. And our teams are just amazing. I have to tell you the communications team, the ETS team, all of the divisions of the shared services have really put their heart and soul into making sure that our departments are supported through this, whether that's very generous leave policies or whether that's making sure that the fire trucks are in tip tops, shakes, or whether that's making sure that we're buying every mask we can find for our public safety responders. You know, it really is neat to see our team just jump in with that passion and try to make sure that they're getting through so that the staff can get through so that the community can get through. Well, and as we get through, we're doing that at distance. You talked about now it's a steady diet of working at home. We're doing this interview virtually because of the, the stay at home order, uh, which creates a new kind of a need. And that is to figure out, uh, how to stay connected with friends and family. So how are you staying connected to your friends and family in this time of, of, um, uh, staying home and sheltered? Yeah, you know, I think the technology that we have today is absolutely amazing. Um, I really think that there's so much opportunity to stay connected in such a different way. Um, my family is all out of state for the most part. My, my mom and dad and, and sister and such are all out of state. Um, and so we already had been connecting digitally for ever. So we make phone calls regularly. We do, you know, video visits. We text each other. We're able to keep, keep connected. But I think, um, what's changed in this event is just the regularity of it. Just making sure that every few days we're checking up on each other and how things are doing and you need anything and how is it going and what questions you have and, you know, what can I do for you? Um, and I think that's really the most important, you know, way to just, just, just this constant, however you connect, making sure that you do connect. That's really the most important piece. I will tell you too, we've had a few virtual happy hours with some friends, I'll say, which is weird, but fun. I'm hearing a lot about virtual happy hours of these interviews. Other forms of distance, virtual connections. So, I'm not sure if he's doing board games with his friends virtually. I'm not sure exactly how that would work, but it's, it's fun to see people connecting in all sorts of new and different ways. Well, the truth is I have heard about people playing virtual bridge and virtual board games. So, yeah. Uh, you know, my third question, uh, is based on the presumption that whatever was normal, uh, before we got into this situation, uh, life is likely to be different on the other side. When we're able, when we're not operating under a state home order and, and we can reengage with one another, there's going to be a new normal that emerges. The question for you is what would be your preferred future? What's the new normal you'd like to see in, in that you're willing to help create? That's a great question. When, when I've been thinking about, um, you know, being in charge of the technology for the city overall and with the huge team of people way smarter than me. Um, what I really found is that we had the backbone of the technology to be able to enable this to happen. Uh, but the, but people didn't have time to take training on it. They didn't really know how it worked. And so it's been a super huge crash force in how do we use this technology to keep connected? What occurs to me is that we have so many people, um, every single day that I have a hard time connecting either the ability issues or there's health concerns or there's other things that keep people in the house and disconnected from their community. And my hope is that at the end of this, that we're able to connect people, that we're able to connect people that weren't connected before, um, to really be able to participate in the community, to be able to, you know, maybe talk to their families when they couldn't before. Um, you know, I certainly know a lot of seniors that are learning zoom very quickly right now so that they can get their grandkids. And that's, that's amazing because that will carry over as we continue from here. Um, the other thing is that I think we're all recognizing just how much we do like spend time with each other and gather and be a community and, you know, and come together, whether it be for events or commencement or concerts or whatever that looks like. And so I hope that, um, at the end of this, we have a newfound appreciation for each other, a newfound tolerance for each other. Um, and just, just the, the ability to connect with each other in a more seamless way. You know, I keep telling my staff and keep telling my family, we're just making lemonade here, you know, every time I get to have lunch with my kid, you know, because the school is closed. I'm like, Hey, this is just lemonade today that we get to do this. And so really taking advantage of those things that we recognize as new and great and being able to amplify on that into the future. Sandy Cedar, thank you again for your many contributions to the city of Longmont, and especially in this moment for your contribution to the Longmont Voices and Vision Project. Take care of yourself, stay safe and healthy and take care of your family. Thanks Tim, you too. Carol Dominguez, thank you for your willingness to contribute to the Longmont Voices and Vision Project. Uh, each of these interviews, uh, we've started out by learning something about the person being interviewed. So tell us a little bit about Carol Dominguez. Yeah, so, um, you know, obviously I think a lot of people know, so may not know. I serve as the city manager here in Longmont. Important part of this interview for people to know, I think. And so, um, you know, the, prior to that, I actually grew up in a small, I was born and raised in a small town in Texas, just west of Robert. Um, believe it or not, it was like 1200 people, small school, really close knit community. Uh, from there I went to, um, Texas Tech University and lived in the dorms, which, you know, being thrust, there were more people living in my dorm than actually lived in my entire community. So that was an adjustment for me. And then, you know, during my undergrad, thought I wanted to be a lawyer, but then learned very quickly. I actually wanted to be in local government. And what I didn't know at the time was that a lot of my, I had an uncle who helped raise me and he, he was involved. He was in the military and then came involved in local government. And, um, his wife actually became a city administrator, eventually my hometown once I was in college. And so, and I knew all the city managers in that town. So it really intrigued me and decided I wanted to do that. So I went into the public administration program, the master's degree program and, um, I was fortunate to work in city of love during that time. Um, and, you know, as we talk about what we're doing, I really had some strong mentors that brought me in and received a, you know, all sorts of training and opportunities. Even worked in sign shops, where I was making street signs and doing things. And a lot of training in emergency management. And then from there kind of worked up in that system and went to San Angelo, Texas as an assistant city manager. And suddenly that city manager went to another location and I had the opportunity to, um, take that position and then moved along. And, and so that's sort of been how I've evolved from a, you know, a boy in a small town to a city manager of Walmart, Colorado, which I love. Um, and I can say that that's, um, even my family goes, you know, best move of our lives. And, and so we're, we're just thankful to be here. Well, as I said to you, I've tried to make a few editorial comments in this, but I will make this one. Uh, to end up in a long, select it up in one of the great places in America to live. So. You really do. And I think, um, you know, we've just got to be thankful for the community that we have. Uh, and the people that live in our community and how we work with each other is, um, you don't find that in all places. And when you do is when you really, really realize just how lucky you are to be part of this community. Yeah. Well, you know, these interviews consist of three questions. The first question is in this. Period. That's at least unprecedented for me and any of us. In our lifetimes, the kind of. Physical separation. And social isolation that we're experiencing. How are you getting through? How are you getting yourself through this period of time? You know, uh, a lot of different things. It's kind of interesting today. I'm actually working at home. So if you hear a humming, uh, somebody's running the vacuum cleaner upstairs. And so, um, you know, I think you have a lot of choices when you go into these situations in terms of how you approach it and what you can do. And you know, the first thing I will say is, um, getting through this, uh, would be impossible without the support of, um, my wife, Andrea and Hunter and Haley, my two kids. Um, I think, you know, a lot of times we take for granted, um, you know, the individuals that are closest to us, but you know, when they're coming here and they realize this thing's going on and just how they're there for me as an individual is, is a really big piece of this and, but then you look at it and you go, I can approach it, you know, one way where, you know, you know, I, I'm just like, I don't like using this analogy, but it's chicken little disguise falling and, and it's just bleak. Or I can take the other side of it and approaching it to say, and I have some fundamental beliefs that out of every situation, there's always a positive. We just have, you know, strive to find that positive. And out of chaos, there's always opportunity. Um, and, and so for me, it's really, you know, just been about, you know, just being thankful for the things that I have. And my daughter's 17 and she's a junior and it was interesting for me in this to realize that I'm getting the rare opportunity to spend time with a 16 year old and a 17 year old who under normal circumstances are rarely at home. And so now I've at least had a month and maybe even more time with them that I wouldn't have gotten in any other situation. And, and so for me, that's great. Now there are times I think where we all get tired of each other and we move our own in our own areas. But, you know, I get through it through them. You know, it also is a little challenging. And then I have a mother that's in her late 80s and my aunt who helped my mom raise me as well. She's in her late 80s. And so we have plans for them to come and visit or we were going to go visit and now we're all sitting there going, when is this going to happen? But again, you know, I can dwell on that or we talk to each other now, probably more than we did before. Daily basis, if not a couple of times a day to really reinforce that and stay connected as we're doing this. And then, you know, I'm a bit of a techie. So also my friends, you know, there's a lot of group chats that we have going on where we're just connecting in different ways and, you know, talking about how, how can we do different things virtually? And so it's really about just being focused on being connected to those folks that are, you know, immediately around you, your friends, your colleagues and finding any way you can to have those conversations. And for me, that's what gets me through it. And the other thing that I have to say too is we have an amazing team here at the City of Longma. And so I think the thing that is important about how you get through it as well is there's not a challenge too great for anyone, the members of our organization. And I think when we, when we deal with this and I look back to the flood too, there's always a sense of fearlessness that, you know, is embodied by the entire organization and a willingness to say, you know, we're here for these times and we're here to support the community and the residents. And we've got to really make sure we're doing our best work. And, you know, there hasn't been a task yet that when you go to them and go, here's an issue that we just haven't said, they haven't said, okay, we've got it. Let's deal with it. Let's work it. And so when you have a team like that around you, that also is extremely inspiring to me in this position. And I will tell you that daily I'm inspired by something that someone has done in the organization where you just look back and you go, wow, we have amazing folks here and I'm part of an amazing team that really is completely focused on doing everything we possibly can for our community, for our state and our county because we're working across different lines. And at the end of the day, the things that we do here will help our nation as well. And so it's a combination of things that really keep me going, but they definitely ramp the energy up. So in your answer to this question, you have said and may have already answered the second question, but I want to ask it anyway. You obviously have your nuclear family with you. Right. But we're in this period of social isolation and people are challenged to figure out how to stay connected to family and friends. Anything else you want to add to the time you're spending with your nuclear family and obviously you're spending time connected with your colleagues, your team. What else? What else should we know? You know, at times, you know, it's the things that I have to do occasionally is just disconnect. And whether that's reading, we built a thing for my kids in the backyard where we can hit a volleyball and the three of us can stay, you know, we're not impacting anyone else, but we're playing together. You know, it's been challenging to at times. You know, I talked about the communication with my mom and I think the communication with my broader extended family has really been on, you know, Facebook and things like that. But you know, they, you know, as a family, we actually had an interesting challenge in that I had a cousin that was one of the first positive COVID patients in that county, which is really isolated. And unfortunately, he passed away. And so then, you know, how are we communicating and supporting our relatives during this? And unfortunately, you can't get together in this time. And so it's just using any mechanism you can. You know, I've also, unfortunately, I watch a little bit of mindless TV. I don't put the news on because I get enough of that during the day. But it's, you know, it's a lot of hanging out with my family, finding different games. You know, I dabbled in Fortnite with my son for a while, which is an experience. And we're trying to do that again. I think he's a little embarrassed with me when I play. I'm like the Saturday Night Live skit with the guys running and bouncing. So it's just, you know, we find as many opportunities as we can to just take advantage of the time that we have with each other. Yeah. Well, it's reasonable to assume that this time with each other will change, right? There'll be a time when we come out from our homes as the virus, either we get it under control, we have a vaccine, and that there'll be a new normal that will emerge. The assumption here is that while we return to something that, unlike where we are now, whatever's normal on the other side of the crisis, likely to be different than life was before we got into this situation. So the question for you is, what do you want to see? What's your preferred future? What would you like to see an experience when we come out of this? And what are you willing to help create as the new normal? You know, that's an interesting question. And, you know, we've had a lot of virtual conversations. And I think for me, I kind of go back to, you know, just, I think there's multiple pieces to this for me. I mentioned that I grew up in a small town. I think if anybody's ever grown up in that type of environment, one of the things that I think is unique to small communities is just how connected everyone is, how willing they are to work and help each other and through any number of situations that occur on a daily basis in that community. And I think for me, you know, again, when I say what are the bright spots in the situation that we're dealing with and what does that look like to the future? You know, I think there's been a reset in that regard in terms of how we interact with each other. I said before, you know, we all have any number of responsibilities as we move through this, whether it's, you know, following the stay-at-home orders, supporting our neighbors who aren't able to leave their house because they may have underlying conditions or they may be of the age where they're asking them to stay home. And I think what I've seen in this is you've really seen the community come together in that way. And I've even seen it amongst my friends that I have here locally where we go to a grocery store and somebody's texting saying, hey, I'm at a grocery store. Does anyone need anything? You know, those are things that we never did before, but I think those are things that we need to capture today and build on in the future in terms of how do you take advantage of the connections in the work that we've been doing as individuals supporting our nonprofits and various aspects of our community and just supporting our neighbors that we may not have talked to before? How do we take that and really escalate that to where we create more connectedness into the community where we realize that whatever the issue is, we're in it together. And together we can face any challenge and continue propelling ourselves forward in terms of the opportunities that we have as a community. And so I think that's, you know, if I said there was one hope is how do you bring that small town atmosphere and connectedness to the larger communities and cities across the nation where we truly realize we're connected and what we do can help others, can hurt others. That's what we've seen in the stay at home work. And so for me, it's about really just amping up the connectedness across the community. I think, you know, the second thing is, you know, this really is a game changer in a lot of ways. I think we don't know, you know, what it's going to look like in the future in terms of the economy and these other issues. And I think it's, you know, being able to then take that connectedness and step forward and say, what do we really envision for ourselves in terms of the future of the community and how we build upon what we already have. And we are completely focused on what we can be to really ensure that everyone has opportunities in the long run. That we are providing what we need to for our community so that we can then support some of these other programs and really just looking at what is it going to take for us as members of an organization and how we partner with the community to set that stage where we can be stronger as a community and be able to withstand future economic challenges, again, building off of the connectedness. And I think that's another piece. And I think more globally on that is just to realize when we hit this that there will be other challenges coming to us in the future. You know, I've looked back and I was actually here a year and a half on the flood hit. And that was the largest natural disaster that I think the state of Colorado had already hit. And as I talked to my colleagues, most of us only have that once in our careers. But we've now all of a sudden had a second one. And I think it's building on this to know that no matter what challenges us as a community, we will be stronger at the end of that challenge and we will work together to ensure that we're stronger. And I kind of said this about the organization. I think it's okay to be afraid. Let's understand what that fear looks like and then how do we as a community really become fearless on tackling challenges big and small in the future with a mindset of supporting every aspect of our community and ensuring that no matter who lives in the long run, they have the opportunity to be successful in the future. And I think we can learn a lot from this. And so for me, you know, I've sort of rambled and bounced around, but I think it's about being stronger as a community, coming together as individuals, as neighborhoods, as organizations, and really being focused on how do we collectively work better the community. That's what my hope is for the future. City Manager Harold Dominguez, thank you again for sharing your vision, your voice and your vision with Longmont in this project. Take care of yourself and your family. Stay safe. And I'm looking forward to when we do come out from the state at home order that we're able to meet and work again face to face. Thank you, sir. Thanks.