 So I was, you know, I live in California and I was researching or studying up on the recall here for the governor. And I was reading up on the leading candidate, Larry Elder, I was reading on his platform on his website and I was, these are Republican and so I was surprised to find no mentioning of the usual things that turned me off about that party there was no mention of religion hardly there was no mention of nationalism hardly or at all this very light on collectivism in general and altruism in general and instead he was talking about school choice and rejects and kind of anti-racism bot and having a consistent energy policy and and just finding how figuring out how to keep businesses in California and lowering regulations, just stuff I generally agree with so my question for you is, you know, first of all, what are your thoughts about the recall in general and then do you have any opinions on Larry Elder. Well, I'm, you know, I'm generally favorable, favorable towards recalling Newsom I think Newsom's a disaster and any any one of these governors in California have been real disasters we this was the governor that we were called 20 years ago something I forget his name but the Schwarzenegger stepped in and replaced him in a similar kind of process to this so it is Yeah, I'm happy to see government being challenged by the people, even if the process is not the most rational process to do so right so it's not the case that you have a recall and then you have an election. The recall is the election. So you vote in the recall both whether you want to recall Newsom or not. And then you vote on who you would want to replace Newsom. So first, no Democrat is on the ballot I think, because Newsom's on the ballot in a sense right. There's there's at least one. There's at least one okay maybe maybe there's a lot I got the ballot there's like 40 candidates on it I already started mailed it in there's a whole there's a whole bunch. So, there's a lot of candidates, and you don't need 50% of the vote to win. So, so what could happen is, let's say 50.1% of people vote to recall Newsom. You know Larry all the gets 15%, but everybody else gets less than 15% because they're 40 candidates. He becomes governor of California, which is pretty crazy. But because you'll become governor of California with only 15% of the vote, but it could happen now I have a feeling that Newsom is not going to lose the vote but he's not going to be recalled and the polls seem to suggest he's not going to be recalled, I mean, this is all in flux and it's hard to tell. Cool, let's let's see him gone. I mean, the people are the people are holding politicians feet to the fire. Newsom was a disaster during COVID. Let him be gone now about Leviel himself. He's mostly in his career be tilted towards more libertarian than typical Republican. So he's he's got a lot of kind of the free market kind of stuff down. He is religious. And on his radio show he does bring religion up quite a bit. He had me on his show partially because of the issue of religion. So he definitely definitely. And I can't remember if he said anything about Rand or not. But I just can't remember, but he's a little like Prager, in that sense, right, maybe less adamant about the religiosity than Prager but he's definitely he's definitely religious. He has unfortunately, over the last few weeks, maybe for the last few months become more supporting of Trump's conspiratorial stuff. Right, because I think he senses he needs those votes. So when the election was over he basically said, Yeah, Trump lost. Right. And now he's kind of repeating a lot of the conspiracy stuff on COVID. He's vaccinated. But he has had on his show a lot of kind of wacky irreputable anti-vax types on the show. So I don't know. I mean, you got to elect somebody. He seems like about as good as anybody else and maybe better. And it would be fun if you got elected because it would be such a shock to the system in California. Right. It would just be it would just blow their minds how we could govern. I don't know because the Democrats have super majorities in the Senate and the House in California. So it's not like you do anything, right? But he could stop everything Democrats want to do. He veto everything. Now they might have a veto proof majority. I'm not sure. But yeah, you know, do it. Just, you know, just to piss off the Democrats, it would be fun to watch. And he won't be able to do any damage because he can't get anything passed. So he can't do any bad things. He can only do good is my assumption. It seems like every rare opportunity there is to bring a little balance to the political system in California we should see. Yeah, I mean, if he was really bad, I would say no, no way, but he strikes me as as good on a lot of things put it that way. And without the kind of crazy tendencies that some have that I've opposed in the past and will oppose in the future. Thanks for pointing out some of the criticisms to appreciate it. I don't have a lot of background with them. What we need today, what I call the new intellectual would be any man or woman who is willing to think, meaning any man or woman who knows that man's life must be guided by reason by the intellect, not by feelings, wishes, or mystic revelations. Any man or woman who values his life and who does not want to give in to today's cult of despair, cynicism and impotence and does not intend to give up the world to the dark ages and to the role of the collectivist. All right, before we go on, reminder, please like the show. 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