 It takes a real commitment and a passion for it, I mean that's tied right under the willingness. And the key thing is if you listen to all those tapes and teachings, the central thing will be is that our mind is it. So that anything or anyone we see that even seems to represent charity is just a symbol in our own mind. We have called forth that witness from within our own minds. It eliminates the whole trip of the teacher, the pupil, the guru, the follower, all these things that the ego... I mean that's another part when Isranda is experiencing when she is feeling a real strong drawl to step out of everything that things are coming up like, what is going on? Is it a cult? Is it this? Is it that? Well, instead of feeling defensive in this and that, you can say, well, what's a cult to you? Well, a cult is where there's a central figure that's authoritative that has followers that gives orders and so on and so forth. The course, and if you really listen to the tapes over and over with the teachings, the whole point is bringing returning power, bringing empowerment to my own mind. There isn't a central figure. The ego can seem to hold figures up and say they are the authorities of this religion or the course of this and that, but that's not the teachings. The more you really look at what the course is saying, it's not saying that there is a figure outside your mind that is the Savior. It's saying that if you experience clarity that you are calling witness in your own mind to that clarity. That says a lot. That should be a powerful witness to your mind of where it's at. The ego will have all this evidence to, I'm not getting this and look at all the seeming conflict that I'm going through and the fear and everything, but if you're hearing clarity, if things are making sense in these ideas, whether you're reading it from a book, whether they seem to be coming out of someone's mouth or what, then that should just say, yes, this is a symbol for what I really want. I will choose this as my evidence for how my awakening is coming. Well, profound clarity is all I can describe it as. David symbolizes for me my own willingness because I know that at some level, I know that I have brought forth, David, as a witness to my mind's willingness to go very deep because there isn't anything apart from my mind. Essentially, I was just going to say that and I appreciate you bringing that up because I've needed some evidence for my willingness and so I'm real glad that you and David and you, Mary, and it's just an outpicturing of that. It's like I need to hang on to something that I am making progress, if you will, or it's like I need something to hang on to. I feel like I'm drawing witnesses, as never before, to my own heart's desire to just be very passionately and uncompromisingly committed to awakening. That's what's being reflected back to me in these letters that David was referring to, that we're beginning to receive from various corners of the country. But again, that is simply a witness to where my mind is and the willingness that's there and the desire that is there. It's mean it's the time collapse too that one of the fellows in the letters was writing, been in this community and had all these things and what about this instance and what about this instance and what about this instance and this instance and this woman wrote back this beautiful letter just bringing it back to the present and talking about all these associations, perceptual associations and everything and saying I can't relate to all those little separate specifics in this and that. It was just very gently, very clearly, very joyously, I mean very humorously just expressing in this letter, you know, that I can't see you like that. She says I'm seeing everyone is a projection of my own mind. I cannot blame or feel victimized by a master teacher or by this and that. This is a friend in Canada that we have been writing to a number of people and it was just wonderful. I mean I'm just like oh the heart chords are just dancing as I'm just reading the letter. The clarity, just the beautiful clarity, didn't get in to try to I could have said this or I should have said that and on and on and on but it just brings it back to the present moment. It's that quantum leap that Chris keeps talking about which takes it away from this long, long linear process like you're saying where I'm 75 will I still be asking this? I mean that can get depressing to even project it out over that long. It could just seem like oh the struggles that I seem to have had if I multiply those and I string that out, I don't, oh that can just seem overwhelming but it's that collapse to the incident. If I look at it as a collapse that's just the word I was going to use there shouldn't be any struggle you see and then there should be no projection into the future in terms of time or looking back at the past but it really regardless of when we meet or how we meet or whatever is just part of the flow and we won't be thinking in terms of that. Remember that idea you and I were talking about not too long ago of you know it's like we have thought that in looking to the past we could be so much smarter and wiser and responsible about the present and the future. You know and I was thinking of that as David was speaking and saying you know you're looking to the past and projecting that into the future and it's going to be another 35 or 45 years or whatever before I get it. Again it's an example of thinking that I can look to the past, believe something from the past and let it teach me something that I want to know about the present and the future and it doesn't work. That's also looking to the Holy Spirit and saying you know I can't really rely 100% on you. I mean I've got to look to my past some and I've got to do something about this and be smart about the present and the future based on what I know I know from the past. Edie was a wonderful witness to this having been with her family at the death of her father and she knew she wanted to be an instrument of peace and just over and over again as things came up what she kept hearing was be here just be here and she said essentially she didn't make any decisions she just felt like she was being orchestrated to go here do this you know come the funeral home and that what she was to be was just to be this loving presence throughout this whole experience and it was wonderful listening to her share about the joinings that she had with people even to the fact of when she walked in the funeral home and they were all standing in a line and her sisters in light the resistance that she had to that just like total resistance like she wanted it to be real informal and just people just standing around talking and so talk to someone about it and they said well this is how everybody gets to talk to everybody and they just want to see us so she thought well alright I can let go of that too and just kept surrendering and but she said that really touched me it's just like in the this is the invitation it's like be here now be in the moment and listen that's all that's asked