 Well, the party, we'll talk about the party, so, all right, so Def Con 5 rolls around and it's my second Def Con and I'm looking to go find a party and meet people and have fun and no one's letting anyone into the parties, it's all oh yeah, we don't know yeah, we don't know yeah, we don't know yeah, and there's a bunch of us that were wandering the halls looking for something to do and we realized we had people, we had beer, we had everything so we left the Aladdin and we headed over to the unfinished parking garage for the Bellagio and we actually threw a party at the top of the Bellagio's parking garage and I don't even remember whose idea it was but that's what really gave me the idea to start throwing a party is because I was sick of the elitism and so when I started throwing the party I just basically bought a bunch of liquor, left my door open and just let anybody wander on in and as it grew, eventually we had to stop doing that because it got to the point where the party was so packed you couldn't walk from one side of the room to the other and eventually you got to start paring it down but I mean we used to, I used to have to, we would set up a whole bar so at the height of it I think I had 120 different types of liquor that I would set up on the bar totally free for anybody just leave the door open and you'd see me, I had a company minivan and I probably had nine or ten liquor boxes just full and I would just have a hand truck and everybody's just carrying up a box after box of liquor and cups and coolers and everything else at one point we counted the amount of beers and the amount of plastic cups we went through to estimate how many drinks we'd sold or given away that night and we were running about 1200 drinks out of there at night which is pretty staggering to think about and we did that for probably every year that the Alexis Park had the con was, that's probably really the, I mean besides vomiting on Hacker Jeopardy which is pretty awesome but running that big of a party was fun