 It's Saicho Ramon here who just swallowed a sword, just swallowed a sword, he did the sword swallowing you're saying you're the only one of the only swords swallows? The only, yeah, wow, and there's probably 12 in the world, so how like where did you go to train? I'll train myself, really? Yeah. How much did you get a book? I don't know, it's, I don't do it in books, you can't swallow a book, you know it's not, to me it's not to practice. Did you start off small like with a spoon? We were fingers. Really? Yeah, honestly. So you just make your way up from there? Yeah, you have to like desensitize your gag reflex, that's the main thing, and then it's a slow process. So, fingers, then a spoon, then chops? Oh, definitely not a spoon, you might drop a spoon. Toothpick, and then finally graduate to the sword, that's it. How long have you been doing magic for? I don't do magic. I'm not a magician, I'm a Saicho artist, everything I do is 100% real, lots of danger. Book, that's magic though. What's that magic? Magic is cards, that's all magic, I do real stuff. How long have you been doing this? Probably about two years. Two years, only? Yeah, only about two years. But how long have you been kind of like interested in obviously? Ah, years, like being a juggler, and then once you learn how to juggle it's kind of put it in fire, and once you get that you get a bit more to fire, you want to step it up even more, so just put it on fire. Yeah, yeah, next time, have you got something put it in fire? Obviously next on the list is to swallow a flaming sword. Maybe, maybe. I've got a special sword being built for me, it's called a Chris sword, so it has a wobble in it, so when you swallow it your sword, you can see it jiggle down your sword. I've also built my own LED sword. Oh wow. It's like a disco sword I call it, so it's an LED strip in it, and you can change the colors, but when you swallow it all the way down your throat lights up, so it's called the human lantern, that's a good one. It's going to bring it here, but it wasn't night time, so it was pretty good, pretty good. What's been your favorite gig so far? Here? I've only turned up today. Just in general, what's been your favorite gig that you've done on the road? Oh, performance gig. Oh, that was pretty cool. Yeah? I thought you meant musical gig, but that audience there, you saw yourselves. Great response, love it. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Anyway, thanks for talking to us. Not a problem, have a good day guys. Good talking to you, thanks a lot.