 Welcome to the After Hours podcast, hosted by Harry Haas and James Friedlender, presented by My Investing Club. What's going on guys? We're back with another episode of the After Hours podcast. Today we have a very special guest. We have a low-high trader, Austin, who is a previous person we've had on. He's one of my favorite mods in the group, so I'm glad to have him back. So thank you for coming back on, man. Yeah, man, of course. I didn't know that I was going to be having a meeting with Tom Holland today. I wish I was Tom Holland, dudes, and they are not as fun. But so I guess today it's kind of an interesting one because the market has kind of sucked as far as long-buyers traders go. I wouldn't even say it's been amazing for short. It's easier for short. I would just say it's been a shit market in general. So I kind of, Harry had the idea of kind of talking about this and how you're handling it because you're obviously one of the more long-buyers guys. You've mentioned it before, how hard it is right now. I'm mentally dealing with this like day to day. So you kind of want to get into that, like how you're dealing with it. I mean, this is a long drought, or it feels like it. Maybe it's not. I don't know. It feels long for me. So how have you been dealing with all this crap? Yeah, I mean, just to blow the door open. It's pretty garbage. And I feel like a lot of people are struggling. And the first thing I wanted to say is if you're mostly a long-buyers trader and you are struggling, the reason why I'm so open about it is to let people know that you're not alone. Like this is a very shit market. And what I mean by shit market is it's not that there isn't opportunities. It's just that there is a certain lack of the kind of continuation opportunities that day traders tend to have adapted towards. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, as far as for me, it's been, I think that as far as the day ones go, the day ones are like pretty jobby, like untradable on day ones. And so then that leaves you, like what else are you going to trade? And for me, it's really been a lot of these, kind of like multi-day runners or a lot of found setups like that. But if we're not getting quality day one trades, that makes it harder as far as the multi-day runners go because if we're not getting good day one trades with a lot of volume and that people aren't kind of buying and paying attention to, it makes it a lot harder for things to bounce. And like last week, I believe we got, we're recording this on January 21st, 2022. And last week we got like, we got S-FEV as a runner, which I got. And that was one that was kind of, it popped up on day one, didn't really die, didn't really die. And then on Friday, it ran. And then it was TKAT, which both just kind of flew out of the gates. That was more of a stock that had to do with like NFTs and stuff like that. But I mean, it's really been slim pickings. And it's not like there isn't loans. Like when you look at the market as a whole, there are going to be stocks that went up on the day, like in the NASDAQ or in wherever, but as far as the good quality loan setups go, it's like once in a while, at least once a week you used to get like a day two trap where it would go kind of like red to green and like squeeze early shorts out on like day two. But those it seems have been completely eliminated. And so it's like, okay, what are we really left with? The only play that has really been half assing for me. And like, I don't know if you trade these types of setups or setups when we have like a day one and it's like beaten down and then we get that bounce day. I've been trading a little bit of those and that's been kind of working out for me a little bit. But as far as day one goes, like if you're trying to trade something like Nuro where we would just kind of like pop out and then just like stuff that's completely untradeable. Like I was looking at that for me and I was like, fuck, I can't trade this. And as far as the top of the range goes when you have these setups where we go and we kind of make a high and we consolidate underneath that high for a little bit and then we try and break that high again in order to continue and go higher like Austin was talking about the top of the range is almost all gone. So if the top of the range has been put in top of the mindset, the odds of us breaking that top in this market are like very few to none. So it has been very, very, very difficult as far as those types of trades go as well. And it's really been just blowing out or it's been saving shorts to be honest. Like when we get shit running again, there will be accounts blow. Like there's been a lot of bad habits, I think as we go. Well, dude, in this market too, it's like, well, first of all, I feel like this drought's been a long time. And like, I don't know, I feel like we've been joking about it so long like now it's not a joke anymore. It's just like so dead every day. And it's like, lately I feel like we're in this market where I've been ranting about this a lot is like everyone could short and hold at the open. And most things have been like pretty much fading. It's almost like an impossible to lose as a short. And like, I guess it's a long by, like guys, how do you both like handle seeing shorts make easy money for like these periods of times? Like we all know eventually we're gonna hit that runner we think we hope, but how do you deal with that? Like seeing people make money, make money, make money. And like the, it's gotta be a mental toll watching your setups not really come. So I guess like Austin, how do you handle that? And like, how do you kind of keep yourself grounded? Yeah, I mean, you know, like the market takes turns, you know, it's not like, I mean, I, you know, we definitely had our fun time. Like we definitely had our fun time 2020, you know, like 2020 it like, I almost felt bad. I felt like I was kind of squeezing everybody. The market takes turns, but I will say this on that. Like you just gotta remain resilient. You just have to know that you have to have faith in either yourself, like you're either going to, you know, you're gonna learn to adapt and I'll talk about ways that I've adapted a little bit, but you're gonna have to find ways, you're just gonna have to trust that you're gonna find ways to adapt or you just have to be patient and say, you know what, it's just not good right now, but it will get good. And just, you know, you know, and use humor and you know, celebrate your friends, whether they're shorts or longs, that you know, if they're making money, you just, you know, you're just happy for them. And you know, it's just, you know, like, you're just waiting for the clock to, you know, to hit your number. And you know, when that clock hits your number, that's why it's so important that you don't just blow off steam. You like, you can never, ever, ever lose your patience. Like that's the thing about being a trader and especially a long trader right now is you have to hold, hold on, hold on to your patience, never lose it, never just be like, eff it, I'm just gonna buy this, I'm not selling it. Like you can't do that. Like you can't have an, you know, like Harry had one a long time, but you can't have an, I don't care moment, right? And we've all had them, but that's what you really have to focus on not letting go is not letting go of the patience. And it, like, we just, like we have a 200% runner today, like it will happen, right? It really will happen. Yeah, and I think as far as that goes for me, I think for me, as far as like long it goes, and this probably can go for a lot of people, but it's like that first trade really sets the tone. Like, so if you have a really shitty inpatient first trade, that is what can really drive you downhill. So I've really been focusing on in this kind of market and just, you know, even in, see when the market's in your favor and you get a little bit sloppy, that type of, you know, situation can really put you in a dark place when the market kind of switches over, right? Like if I was sloppy chasing the highs on every long and somehow getting bailed out, I would have blown up in this market. So I think it's really just saying to yourself, okay, you know, that first trade is going to set the tone for me. So I'm not going to average down on a broken stock or I'm not going to chase something, you know, after it's already kind of ran and I'm just pulling it up super, super late. I'm going to be patient and wait for the types of plates that I usually focus on. And that's what can really kind of help you a lot more and in my opinion, you know, it's that first trade, you know, like if you're first trade is you chasing into a major resistance level, like nine times out of 10, that's probably going to reject. And then if you kind of keep holding that and keep holding that and then maybe even average down and average down more or like, I don't really average down, I just cut it. But like, I know a lot of people take that first trade and then they average down and then they average down a little bit more and then they're kind of fuck. Just, you know, be very, very patient with that first trade and your day can go a lot better than, you know, not being patient. And almost once you kind of have that first bad trade you kind of get in like a drunken state where it's like, oh, I can do another one. And then that one doesn't work. And then you go down a hole and you go down further and you go down further. And then by the end of the day when the market shuts off and you're, you know, sitting there by yourself you're like, what the fuck did I do today? You know, and that's how those types of situations can get started. So I mean, for me, I try and be proactive and just really, really kind of trans out the tone early. I feel like, I feel like for shorts it's funny. Like I feel like short buys guys never really have like droughts either. It's like, cause there's always opportunity. Like when the market's fucking nuts and shit's like blowing up there's always chances and like there's always plays for us and all that stuff. So it's like, I guess I've never really had to deal with that. And I think that's just what makes it makes longing that much harder. That's why I really do think it's 10 times harder to be a successful long buys guy. But yeah, I mean, I'm just waiting for the jam waiting for the times when like all these guys who are making shit tons of money just kind of shorting blow up. Cause once things actually start moving I think people forget how violent like some of these moves will actually be. Yeah, that's something I really want to touch on is that when I first started to become a longer I was like, why would I like when I first started trading the market and this should be a really good bit. The market really does go in cycles and wherever you start to join trading you don't know yet, but you're joining in a cycle. And that's why whenever you first start trading you start making money because it's so obvious and you only know that the cycle that you're in and once you join use everything looks like you only see things through one lens and you look at it and you say dude, I see that stuff is fading. I see that once as a VWAP reject it does this and all of a sudden it's just so simple and you just trade, you execute and you win and you win and you win and you win and you win in the beginning and you're just like dude, I'm the best fucking trader ever. Like I just started, I'm just banking money. And, but you don't know that you're in a cycle that's exactly working for what you just learned. And this is, and that's what happened to me and I started and everything dude it was a lot lower volume but stuff would pop it would do like a little like stuff were kind of new not new but like, I mean, they were much more obvious and less frequent. So when a stuff happened it was a little bit more rare now we have stuff every day, but we see this stuff oh, then it would tank, right? So you short it and make money easy. But then I started looking after a little bit I started once I started getting squeezed a little bit I started really focusing on charts I did some deep study on some charts and just on the simplest way I could see this I would look at a chart and I would just look at the green candles versus the red candles. Oh, did we lose James? No, I'm still here. Okay, yeah, I would look at the green candles and I would look at the red candles and I would look at all of these charts and the green candles on the chart just zoom out and like look at the chart the green candles, the green movements were so much bigger than the red ones. You know, like it would fade, fade, fade, fade, fade but you know and so that would be like a loser as a long but the ones that went up, I mean we're talking two, three, four, five, six dollars like I mean these would really run. And I feel like a lot of people that are coming into trading this year or even in 2021 they're looking at charts and they're like, wow, everything just goes down, huh? Right, and that's the cycle we're in, right? And that's, I guess that's the warning to new shorts that it's not always as good. And for long, you just gotta recognize, you know take a look at all the charts for the week and I do that every time I do a webinar I go through all the charts to see if they're bullish or bearish and I really, I feel like that helps me really gain a sense like what did the charts look like? What did the green bushes look like? What did the red ones look at? And that really gives me an idea of the sense of it. Yeah, it's so funny you just said that some guy just wrote that this is his most profitable month in the last 12 trailing months. Just in main chat right now, I'm just reading that. And yeah, the market goes in cycles and you do have to be careful. This is a very, very, I feel like easy time for shorts to make money. Just like longing, we had our fun with COVID. It was very easy. People were making stupid fucking money, longing. Like, and you see your, I mean for me I'm not pissed when I see shorts making money because I'm not blowing up, right? So I'm not going to be pissed if I'm not blowing up or taking some massive losses because as far as what James kind of went back and said where he's like, I feel like it's really hard for loans to make money. If James just had like the experience of longing that like we have someone like James could walk in every single morning and make money, right? But because James doesn't necessarily have that longing experience, he's like, oh man, it's so hard like where the fuck these green candles come from, you know? But when you have like a couple of years under your belt of just looking for the same thing every day in the same edge, it does get easier, right? And I think as far as short it goes like every single long trader, the more time you long the more I think easier it gets to become a short as well because you know those trap areas and you know those types of areas where they're just looking to hunt for loans and they're just looking to kind of hunt for short stops or squeeze shorts out. And so as a long trader, you really need to kind of gauge that supply and demand as well. So it's like we're almost like short traders but we're not, you know, where we know where the best opportunities are to short is and, you know, for example, we're both noticing that the top of the range is not really working in this market, right? Well, top of the range. Yeah, like what is stopping us for fucking, you know going short there or something like that, right? And I have. Right? So I mean, we know where the areas are and you know, I think just as far as like trading goes everyone kind of knows the general areas where you can make money. But I mean, if you're not disciplined in order to kind of follow that that's where you're going to kind of get in trouble. And I think just. I think I guess it's just like, I guess it's just like something that Austin actually told me one time and like I feel like it's really true right now too is like there are just some markets where like you just can't use your big size. You can't use size, you can't like push and like you like go for it. And like this market right now is a long like this has to be it. I mean, you try to size on anything. No, you just you just lose and like for a short like I think it's, I think it's like a good market. I mean, obviously you can size up shorting in this market too. Cause it's a lot of, it's a lot of things just like fading off and it's just become a lot easier to identify your risk levels. But yeah, I mean, I think that's probably what keeps you guys so like smart is like, you said all the time, I was just like, this isn't it. This isn't the market. I'm going to go in guns blazing because my setups aren't there and they're not working. So I think everybody needs to kind of remember that as well. It's just, you know, sometimes it's just not there. Well, yeah, that's the thing is like right now as a short you have like, you have like, if someone's going to punch you, you have a door behind you. If you're going to get punched as a short, like in this market, you're going to have a door. Like there's going to be selling pressure at your back. So even if you do have to cover, you're going to be fine. As a long it's like, I don't, we don't have that back door right now. So like we can't aggressively size because then it's going to be a scramble for who gets to get out when everyone wants to get out at the same time. Cause there's no, there's no, we don't have that bid behind us because then we have no liquidity to get out. Yeah, everyone's too afraid, right? All of the long liquidity is too afraid. And yeah, and so I wrote some things down cause I, my, my, my brain is going there's a lot I want to get off here. But yeah, like, like James, like you've only been out short ever. And because like innately, like when you get into trading it's a lot easier to be a short just because you, because you get to see the first part of the chart happen and then you get to react to the first part of the chart and it's normally down. And so it's just like, oh, you just wait for something to pop and then you become a player. Let me tell you this, longs do that too. No longs know if the stock's going to pop before it pops, right? So basically every retail long needs to be some form of continuation trader. Cause we're, unless we're a pumper unless we have inside information, which we don't it's really hard to know what's going to pop before it pops. So, you know, longs are continuation traders too. You know, we wait for something to pop and then we wait for a bid to hold, right? That's innately what we do. Something pops and then we wait for support to form and for that support to be stronger than the supply. What I've noticed that the three I've made three adaptations that I've done for myself in this market. The first thing is like Harry said, I recognize the day one stocks, the day one stocks, they have so much volume but it doesn't go anywhere. The upper part of the range is capped on those. It basically just becomes an algo trap. Any day one stock that's the hot chick of the day that is a hot chick just to absorb all of the hopeful longs and that's an algo trap. So I try to avoid that one or trade that one small and I messed up on neuro the other week. You know, like I just said, you know what? I think this is going to be the day one that works. I was wrong. I tried to guess early but I've normally been avoiding the day ones because those are just straight algo traps are going to go. They're going to be choppy. They're going to hold up just so that longs keep buying and it's not going anywhere. The upper part of the range, it's not breaking that high. I've also changed the second change I've made is I'm not really looking for squeezes anymore. The longs that I'm looking for are near kind of just support. Like I'll buy when there is support but I'm not looking for it to break high a day. I'm just looking, you know, I think it's going to bounce here. So I've kind of eliminated a lot of going for squeezes which for me kind of defeats the purpose of longing which is why I've kind of started the short a little bit too. But I go for less squeezes. So I go for more support buys as opposed to a squeeze-based trade. And the third adaptation is I just walk. I just walk sooner. I don't press on. Normally, like if I'm up nice on the day I might continue to try to trade a little bit in the afternoon. Maybe there's an afternoon squeeze. Maybe I can double my money. I don't even try now. I just walk early. I get green on the day and I walk. How do you determine like when that market cycle changes? Like because like I'm not as curious because like I see a runner and then I'm like, oh, I wonder if this is going to change the sentiment. Like how many days or how many times do you need to see something happen before you're like, all right, the market sentiments changed. Now it's okay to chase a little bit more. Now it's okay to go for the squeeze trades. Like how do you even figure that out? Because I still know how to do that in you. So think of it as a bucket of strength. I just want the bucket to be full. It could happen from one runner. It could be one runner that goes up 2000% or it could be 10 runners that go 200%. You know what I'm saying? Or it could be five runners that go 400%, right? Just do the math on like the bucket is 200% of strength or something. And it's not like I don't have a bucket. I don't keep track. It's just a mental thing. I need to see enough strength in the market. And ideally it's more than one. Like 10, 200% runners is a lot better than one 2000% runner, obviously. You know, but I just want to see an amount of strength and there really is no gauge, but the second accounts start blowing up. The second as a short, if I would be fearful of a stock breaking high a day, that's when I know it's time to press. Right now, like if something breaks high a day as a short, I'm still like, yeah, but it'll probably stuff. But as a short, if a stock goes up to high a day and I'm like, maybe, like, I'm not sure actually. Like this one actually kind of looks scary. I already know it's time to press. The second there's the fear, I know it's time to press because that's for a short, you know, as a short, the scariest thing is holding through a high a day push that could hold up. Oh yeah, yep. I think as far as that goes for me too, the way I like to kind of do it is I kind of do it in like two parts, but it's all in my head. Like I don't track market strike, you know, on like Excel or anything like that. Number one is like, our stocks giving back their gains at the end of the day. That is a big kind of tell for me, is the market. Like we look at DAX, that shit was at 3.7 and it went to $3 at the afternoon. That tells you what type of market we're in. Yeah, that was insanely weak when it gave everything back. That showed such weakness. Oh yeah, I think that really showed a lot of kind of like holes in the market. And I think another thing that I look for is like, okay, so let's say we get that first runner. We get that runner that everyone is like, we're gonna line it up. The next day, is it only that runner that people are still paying attention to? Or is it like other runners that people are now saying, wow, this is strong, wow, this is strong? You know, and you're gonna have that, you're gonna have some newer guys, like an MIC, you're like, oh man, we're back into a strong market. But everyone's trying to kind of anticipate, it was that day that we got to, what was that stock? It was like PHUN or something like that, or not PHUN, but it started with a P or something like that. And it went from like $2 to like $14 or whatever. Like after DWAC, like after DWAC went, and all these stocks were really, really, really strong, right? And you woke up after that DWAC move happened, and every single stock was strong. You could take a broken stock and make money as a long trader. You could take a hot chip stock and make money as a long trader. That to me is a really, really strong market. When everything is just going up and people are like, wow, we had that stock that those Twitter guys were in, that was going up. We had that, I remember that day so completely where I had missed kind of like the big hot chip because I had been so trained to say, okay, I'm avoiding this. I had gotten in the habit of saying, I'm avoiding this one because like I was expecting that kind of, we weren't going to be able to break the top of the range. These autos are shit type of movements. But when we do get a kind of strong market or a strong stock that kind of lights it back up again, don't be afraid to go back and press those hot chips. Don't be afraid to go back and press those broken stocks a bit more than you usually would. Don't be afraid to, right? Don't be afraid to go in heavy and go in hard because we don't know how long we're going to have for this type of shit. So it's like, we're so conditioned right now to not trading the day ones as a long trader, right? Like you tried it with Nero, didn't really work out. Like today, if we see a day one runner, there's no way we're going to fucking touch it, right? But if let's say this afternoon, we get this 1,000% runner and the next day we see a bunch of stocks up. We see a bunch of kind of things that are up. Do not be fucking afraid to take those trades because those trades are what is going to at least help make back whatever you've lost and it's going to really be able to fucking, be a confidence booster for the next couple of weeks if we get stronger again, right? So that would be my advice to anyone who's struggling right now and who's like, I'm not touching the day ones. I'm not touching anything. I'm just going to sit it out and wait it out. The minute we see strength again, go balls fucking deep, balls to the fucking wall because every other long trader is going to be like, I don't know, I don't know, man. But you wake up that morning, you see bunch of stocks up fucking 100%. Everyone is saying that's crazy. We had other stocks that were running after D-LAC went, right? Like the fucking take the trade, you know? Don't be a, don't, you know, don't, I don't need to know what to say on this podcast if we're like, you know what I'm thinking. Don't be a pansy, bro. Because those times pay for this time, right? Those times are going to pay for this patient time. Like this is why you're being patient. Yeah, right. Exactly, that's what we're waiting for. So it's kind of like as far as like long traders go, like know what you're fucking waiting for, you know? Yeah. I think, I mean, as we're coming up on kind of like the 30 minute mark, I mean, I think you guys kind of gave like a really good kind of basis of like as a long, like what you need to be doing in like the slow times and like the markets like this. And I guess like, I mean, I guess we don't, I'm trying to think of like a good ending question because I guess what I'm wondering for the last kind of bit here is like, you know, how do you know to take advantage or like when things happen, you take advantage of the hot times. Like you put yourself in a position where it's so important that when your market's in your right like zone, that's when you're pressing. That's when you're pushing stuff down. And have you guys like over the years been able to recognize that more and more and like actually been able to press the gas or have you missed it? Because like for years, like I kind of missed like a lot of big opportunities like that. I missed first red days. I missed like strong like good shorting opportunities because I was afraid. Like, were you guys able to do that right away or is it hard for you to kind of do that? I think I'll leave it to Austin. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. So dude, that every single year, because the life market goes in cycle, it's like every year you get one or two chances and it really just takes that much time, right? Because cycles last a few months at a time. And so, after every cycle, you can always do something better and you're always gonna be like, I didn't do that perfectly. I could have done this. I could have did this on this player. Man, you look back and I'm like, oh dude, on RKDA I could have went this much size or I could have added here or on D-Wack I could have done this. It's like, or I should have not been afraid to just buy into that strength or attempt to get that black swan. You know what I'm saying? Just shit like that. You're always gonna have after every cycle you're gonna look back and see like what you could have done and you're probably gonna get better on the next cycle. Like you're probably gonna get a little bit better and make a little bit of those changes but you can only improve so much at a time. But yeah, when it does hit that time, I have gotten better. I have gotten better. I add almost to the point of being recklessly sometimes into strength and you guys have probably seen those charts of mine. Like, but and when they work they pay for all the times they don't. So like, I mean, I've gotten really aggressive on adding strength. I've gotten, you know, I've gotten aggressive on growing more size. I've got aggressive by like not just selling on the first pop like, you know when that hallmark gets here, you know work on really letting that extend like, you know I mean, if I've got like, if I got like 10,000 shares every 50 cents I every 50 cents I wait is another five grand, right? So I mean, just wait if I can get one more halt up, you know, it's, you know like there's just different ways that you can improve each time whether it's being a little bit more patient on the exit being a little bit more aggressive with the size, maybe adding right as that stuff that, you know it might stuff and then hold and then, you know, holding through that one extra and being able or bailing it and having the guts to be like, no, this is the hot market it's stuff me, but then it felt I'm going to get back in it's all that stuff, you know that, you know each that's what being aggressive is all about and like you just, you know you just get better, you just work on it every second. Yeah, I really like that. I think I just to kind of like finish off here I think I really kind of like hit on this question like before James kind of asked it but I think also, you know when you see you're going to realize a shift and you're going to feel it, that's the thing you're going to feel it and if you can just wait for that kind of shift when everyone's like that oh shit moment of we're starting to pick back up and I feel like, you know when we had like BBIG and a couple of other things like Austin and I were saying things like well we're starting to kind of pick up a bit we're starting, we're starting, right the key word is starting and it's really just Austin and I hoping and anticipating for things to continue it's not actually really starting it's just Austin and I just fucking praying that we're actually starting it's like when we get this hot chick runner and every single short is like well it's going to break down this time it's going to break down this time, right they don't really know it's going to fucking break down they're just anticipating to try and do that guy who's the hero and calls the top and it's the same thing with this kind of situation here and so I think that, you know when you kind of feel it in your bones and when you're going to know you're going to wake up and chat it's going to feel like it's Christmas morning even though it's a random fucking day and you're going to be like wow that's amazing like everything's up everything's strong and like you can actually see that everything's up and everything's strong and you're not just making this shit up that's the day for you to be really aggressive that's the day where you can take some long off that first candle to see if we can break the range on that hot chick that's the day where you can really get aggressive buying that dip on the hot chick and the other broken ones that's the day where you can add some size there the next fucking time that this happens I'm loading the boat on every single fucking stop and a couple may not work that's okay but I am loading the fucking boat on the first candle of every goddamn fucking stop I'm going to long it on that day too I'm going to long it on the day ones I'm going to long fucking broken stocks everything's going to help up and it's going to be a fucking miracle I'm buying all fucking four all fucking five and that's how I'm going to do it because after GWAC I only bought one or two and I was like man I missed a lot of money so if you can study that day after GWAC and what ran and what did it and I'm sure that we have a runner somewhere we have like an after hours runners calendar if you want to fucking go through and see what ran and if you can study that and how those moves kind of were made then you're going to be able to because we had GWAC that was a halt up the other peace talk was a halt up the broken ones started running after that momentum continued buy the fucking dip, buy it all that was awful I have one more thing that I do want to add about one last thing when the day comes and Harry's talking about that day where you just know today's the act and you feel a little hesitation that the best thing that you can do to quell that hesitation is to get in 100 chairs just put that fun ticker in your position column whether it's 100 chairs, 500 chairs want that just get in because it's a lot easier like when you know that you have to act the first act is always the toughest so just get in the trade it almost doesn't matter what price as long as you're not full-size just get in and then you can add to it it's a lot easier to add to a position than it is to start a position psychologically best thing you can do that's actually a really good tip I like that, that's funny okay, all right, well done yeah, perfect, that was a good way to end it that's a good way to end it there you go