 Welcome everyone. This is another episode of the more kind of podcast interview style things. I do sometimes very informal very Open friendly chat. This is Florentine. He's an astral projection Coach master expert. So, yeah, let's just get on get into it I just wanted to have like a chat about astral projection and explore kind of how to do it Why you might want to do it because it's a very different thing I would say to lucid dreaming similar, but there are some differences and yeah I think let's just get right into it. Do you want to kind of say hey introduce yourself? Yeah, sure. Hi, Florentine here And I'm excited to be on this podcast and talk about astral projection because a lot of times people think it's the same thing as lucid dreaming and It's different and it's important to kind of talk about the differences and which one is good for what and just clarify some things Yeah, absolutely. So what are the main differences? Let's start with that. So the main differences the experience is different And the way you would do it is different So let's go into the experience. So the experience of a lucid dream is For the most part quite unstable like, you know, you can maybe you're in an environment and you look to your left and you see Maybe a window and then you look to the right and you see something else And you look back to left and a lot of times that window would be now a door or you know Just changed or you look at it looks far in the horizon And you just kind of see how the horizon is kind of shifting and moving into Different buildings and shifting into graphs and it's it's not a stable place Versus and astral projection you would actually visit a real place That is stable because it's it's like a real place like this is a real place this physical reality is a real place and so You would have the lucid dream environment will be like a kind of like a mental plane We call it like a mental plane where you you're basically the creator of that environment And you're also the explorer of that environment. And so it's it's all about what's happening within you That's you're exploring that and that's very useful for many many things But if you want to go beyond yourself and travel the multiverse Then it's not very useful and then that's when our projection comes in the place And you can then explore actual places which are beyond your own consciousness That's amazing. That's so so fascinating like the ability to actually do that I think this is something kind of the same way I feel about lucid dreaming I think everyone should at some point get to experience it because it's really quite an amazing thing So I imagine maybe correct me if I'm wrong, but I imagine that similar to lucid dreaming Most like the average person Either has never done it or they really struggle to actually do it Would you would you agree with that or would you say that everyone has kind of at some point done it? Yeah, I would say it's uh, it's definitely something that most people haven't experienced It's something that I didn't experience until I started to go to specific workshops and I started to learn These things and following the techniques. I had my own experience But otherwise if you're not doing any practices, most likely never gonna happen to you It does however happen happen randomly to people throughout their life that they might have an automatic experience that For the most part freaks them out because they don't know what the hell just happened They just saw them self lying in bed from a different angle and then they're back Things like that happens and I'm jealous because some of these people that have it that easy can actually You know become amazing after projectors because they can get out of body so easily But they don't know that so they just freak out like oh my god What was that? But I hope that with with these kind of podcasts, you know more and more people will learn about what this is And then we'll be able to explore it without being fearful of Potentially that they're dying or something like that. That's actually something that it's very natural to do And it's it should be something that we should be able to do on a regular basis as a part of our life and not Something that's separate to our life So maybe before we start talking about how specifically to do it Maybe we should just cover a little bit more about okay, so it's different a different state to lucid dreaming Most people have not done it But they could if they learn the right stuff like if they trained practiced did the right exercises So that's also quite similar in terms of lucid dreaming You know, it's when you start practicing the exercises that you actually start getting the results I guess like with anything, right What would you say are like the biggest benefits or reasons to do it? um I think one of the biggest ones is That when you get into this space and you start to study these things and you start to Learn about this stuff and and you start to do it yourself and you start to you know Spend time with other people that do it as well like you really get into this world of astral projection What happens is that you become more aware of the more expanded version of who you are And you go beyond this limited version of hey I'm just this person with this name and this physical body and this is all I am You start to get into like whoa. I am so much more than this human and and we can Explore much more than this physical reality and then you start to get into you know What is life? What is the meaning of everything? What what's going on? Like you you you start to think about these bigger questions and you start to explore them for yourself And you start to get answers and you start to expand and so your consciousness starts to expand your perception of reality starts to expand The way you see yourself and the way you see others the way you see The planets, you know nature everything starts to expand and you have a much wider perspective on how things are And I think that brings a lot of peace and calmness to one's life and it also Helps you with the understanding of the afterlife and the fact that you're going to continue after physical Death that death is not the end And that's a that's a major one because a full of lower people having these experiences Elevates them from the fear of dying, which is a big fear that most of us have Coping with the fact that someone else that has been close to us has died can also be very beneficial Knowing that they are okay that they continued But also knowing that there is a practice that you can actually pursue to connect with them again I think that's some really powerful things that we need to bring into our society more and more so that We can actually transcend the belief systems that we have right now about death about Life and getting to a much more expanded state where things just makes much more sense And we're just kind of living in a more kind of a harmonious way with nature And not in this fearful way that we have been for quite some time Oh, I love that. Yeah Would you say that this is a skill that we as humans like it's kind of intrinsically there because We're in one some level. We're supposed to do it. It's supposed to be part of our experience maybe like like you say to be more peaceful about death not to fear death not to worry that this is all there is And so like maybe the reason we can astral project As humans is so that we can bring that knowledge back and actually live life You know more full of purpose more full of joy because we realize that this is not the end Yeah, yeah, definitely. I definitely think it's about us being able to travel and explore We are explorers, you know, that's what we do since the moment we we come here We start to explore physical reality. We're super curious about everything It just makes sense that as we evolve we start to explore beyond this dimension as well We start to explore other dimensions and we bring that knowledge back And we start to become a multidimensional active Being that's actually traveling and exploring and and learning from those explorations Not to me. That's very exciting. You know, we have you have Elon Musk That's trying to go to different planets and explore and and grow in that way And then that's really important, right? But we can also do this just with our consciousness. We can explore and we can expand our Our consciousness to other places and learn from those places and bring that back and improve our society here Uh, there's so much to learn Yeah, would I be right in saying that astral projection happens on the fourth dimension or density? and that Time and space Can kind of be bent a little bit more so you can for example Astral project from here Physically, let's say to Egypt In just a second or in no time at all pretty much. Would I be right in saying that? Uh, I don't know exactly which dimension it will be on because I think it's going to be on multiple dimensions The way I see it is that There are different dimensions and we can travel to the different dimensions with our consciousness and Yeah, some of them are going to be easier than others and all that but in terms of speed Yeah speed is insane like it's the speed of thought it's the speed of As soon as like if you can visualize something if you can really Think about a place, you know, think about Egypt With that when as soon as you start thinking that thought you will start to drift away to that place and it can happen that It might be that you just start to feel like you're so suddenly just are you just feel like there's a lot of speed That's going that you're going towards one specific direction and then you're there It can be like that or it can be maybe that you're just simply going through a portal, you know, like a door Or like a portal that opens up that you can go through That just takes you from one place to another There is no need to think that you need to travel, you know Really a long time from one place to another because the the universe is quantum, right? And we know how quantum mechanics works that things can just appear and disappear from one place another instantly It's like that it's that's what's happening We're entering that quantum realms of how things work and things are really strange in that in that world It's not like here a lot of times. I feel like people are trying to make sense of the actual by By kind of making it Aligned to the rules of the physical reality So if it behaves differently then it can't be real A lot of people say, you know, all that can't be real. That must be a dream because that's not how reality works Well, not not this reality This physical reality is limited by a lot of things But when you transcend the limit the the limitations of physical reality, there's a lot of things that you can do that seems like Absolute magic, you know, if you were to do it here, obviously, this is magic. This is not possible But it is possible in these other dimensions where you you're essentially traveling with your consciousness So just thinking about let's think about a place and then Be able to To go there And I know that's quite similar with lucid dreaming too And I think there is a lot of parallels between The similarities between how we navigate and and how some of these experiences are like doors can also be a transition point in lucid dreams right And I think to me the way I look at the main differences between lucid dreaming and astral projecting It's just like different dimensions. So to me a lucid dream is more like the dimension of the mind the your own kind of little world and You can fly there. You can do lots of stuff and then you can transition from that To an astral projection And then that will be a slightly different usually more vivid more stable like I was saying before And a lot of times when we have to project is also important that mentioned that a lot of times we transition from being in a You know, it might start like a lucid dream and then we transition away from that And then we have an out-of-body experience in a in an astral plane or an atheric plane But so another dimension And then we might actually come back to a lucid dream dimension mental plane dimension And so sometimes it can be difficult to to be sure exactly what that was because you go kind of in and out from these different dimensions But super interesting Yeah, one thing I find a little bit confusing with With part of that is the aspect of memory So in a lucid dream or even just a normal dream you can train your brain to kind of remember it The way I understand it is probably very limited compared to your knowledge But the way I understand with astral projection is that you have like a copy of your mind To record your astral memories and when you come back to the body There's an ass you kind of need to like almost download the memories from your astral mind memory to your Physical mind memory. Is that right or can you explain a bit more about that? Yeah, I would say like it's something like that like you you Because you're not having the experience in your mind like a lot of people when they first start with this You know, they might think it's all happening in your mind That's the view of the skeptics as well, of course, but then Yeah, when you go beyond that and you start understanding how this stuff works It's like you have your mind your memories and everything from this lifetime everything you're doing When you start traveling in the astral you have it's like you access a different part of your consciousness I I guess I would say it's like you're you accessing you're traveling with a different part of yourself And it's not the same mind you can bring I mean you bring stuff with you from here So you're still able to Essentially upload the things that you wanted to do So if you had this idea that you wanted to fly and meet with your spirit guide, for example, which is very common When you get out of body you're going to remember that and you're going to be able to pursue that plan However, there is another part of you that's also being actively controlling that experience So you might want to you you might have the plan that you want to get out of the body You're going to go to your friend's house and verify what he has on his wall to come back and tell him like hey You put a number 54 and you have this experiment that to your ego mind It seems like a really cool thing to do When you get out of body suddenly when you think about that it just feels so insignificant And you decide that you want to fly and see these stars instead, you know So there's another part of you that's kind of like actively pursuing the Experience and then when you come back now you you want that part of you to then Send that information to this this part of you So it's there is kind of It is kind of like you're saying there's a bit of a download the lonely process that needs to take place For some people it's super easy You know they're remembering everything crystal clear like as clear as what they did yesterday You know super clear and for other people it's a bit more work and have to practice To when they come back just kind of like sit there and just Remember everything they can go through everything that just happened and bring in as much emotion to it as possible So that it imprints on the mind all the things that happened That's actually funny to say that because I've always thought You hear about this experiment people would say well if astral projection is real Why don't you astral project into a room and then read out the number on in like an envelope or something? And then that would prove it But I think you're right like when you actually project You're using a higher part of your consciousness and the second you're in that space You know, you're just going to laugh at that like you it's almost like you already know everything You don't need to prove it to yourself or anyone really because you just you are that experience People probably want to experience this for themselves Where where should we start with that? Are you ready are we ready to move into that part of it? Yeah, we can move into that part of it and I mean, I guess your listeners are you know all kinds of people some people might want to do is for Fun to explore other people might have some other ideas about what to do with it I think what I've seen more and more is that one of the Probably most useful cases for people has been to connect with the seeds loved ones To be able to connect someone that they've lost You know see them again and not just see them But like to hold them again and smell them and feel them because that's how real This stuff is a lot of times people think when I talk about as projection. They think oh, it's like imagination like you're You meditating and you're like seeing images in your mind and it's like imagination. No, it's like so completely different that imagination is do you're actually You're moving away from where you're lying in the bed You're you're separating from the physical body You know you're going to another place and when you're there You're completely immersed in that place in the same way that We are immersed in this room right now Like if you look to the left, you will see something look to the right You see something else Will to touch things smell things take things Put your hand through a wall if you wanted to fly like It's 100 real there's no there's no you're not able to imagine that kind of detail and that kind of level of realism and so That's important to to mention and so when you have an experience, you know if you have an experience of meeting with your loved one The experience will not be like an imaginary thing in your mind They're just kind of like imagining seeing them No, you will actually be able to speak to them and touch them and and hold them again Which is so profound for a lot of people that have this experience You know really really helps them to to cope with the grieving process because They're not able to see that this person still exists. They're out there They're not just gone. They're okay And You can connect with them again and you can have closure and that means a lot to people I don't know that's that's a really really important thing. I think that's something that we also should know How to do in our society because let's face it everyone's going to die at some point And the people we love is going to also die at some point. That's just a fact It's not like maybe no it's going to happen So how prepared are we for that in our society today? Not so much But what if we had asked projection as a tool to do this and it was you know common knowledge Then this whole process will be completely Transform it won't be the same when someone leaves. It won't be like, oh my god. My world is over But I think a lot of this fears come from a lot of the movies we see today You know in every movie in every series and every piece of content when someone dies It's like the worst thing that could possibly happen to them It's like the saddest moment. Everyone is crying. It's terrible. So of course we've been conditioned this Since we're very young. So that's why we react so bad when someone dies because it's just so so bad Now I would like to just kind of transform that Change that and make give people more peace when when this happened more understanding of what is actually happening And so going into how to do this There are multiple techniques In my program we teach The three main techniques because we realize that people are different and so It will be cool to just have like this one method like do this one thing tonight And you gotta get out of body guaranteed But unfortunately people are different and so we have to Experiment with these different methods with each person to see, you know, which one is gonna work better for or for you Based on, you know, how you're sleeping based on how your your mind works Based on how your days are, you know, you are you working all the time Like what what is going on with each person needs to be analyzed and then Experiment with different methods. And so the three methods are The first one is through lucid dreaming So learning lucid dreaming is actually very helpful for getting out of body as well and So if you're a lucid dreamer, you can actually have us predictions quite easily because all you have to do is become lucid in the dream And when you are lucid in a dream, you can command the dream To turning into an autobot experience, you know, you can say things like out of body now So it's kind of like using command and intention To be able to shift away from the lucid dream dimension The mental plane to an astral plane or an aetheric plane You do that with commands or you can do that with walking through A portal, you know a door or behind a bush or something and make that intention that when you go beyond that bush or portal, you're gonna be in your room where you are Practicing or you're gonna be somewhere else that kind of stuff Can work or for example if you were to say, you know out of body now Then what can happen is that the environment you were in before would just start to dissolve and suddenly you find yourself in your house, for example This is one of the techniques now that works for some people. They're able to have lucid dreams But what if you're not able to have lucid dreams? Why are you what if you're one of those persons that have a hard time dreaming and just kind of when you sleep You sleep and that's it Then there is another method which is called the semi indirect method method And this is basically something that you do upon awakening from sleep You know I've designed the special soundtracks that basically you go to sleep and Soundtrack wakes you up and upon awakening from sleep Those few seconds when you regain consciousness if you remain still and you're not like moving or anything And you just remain still and then remain calm. You can remain in that sort of sleeping between dream state And at that point you can do specific techniques that will then take you out of body and this one is really effective for a lot of people because It's you know, everyone can sleep and everyone can wake up It's just a matter of remaining calm In this phase so that you don't get like scared and sometimes people get scared when a soundtrack comes on My voice wakes them up But you know that that goes away after a few after a few attempts because you become used to the the prompts that wakes you up and then you can just perform the Exit technique or whatever technique you need to perform to to start to wiggle yourself out of body for example And so you can go from sleeping And to going out of body within just a few seconds and then you have multiple tries throughout the night because the Soundtrack goes on and on and on so in case you missed on the first go You will be able to do it again in the next 15 minutes. We'll come back again. You know help you to remember what to do then After this technique there is the direct method which is probably one that most people are familiar with when it comes to Ask projection is the technique that goes through deep meditation and so you're essentially Meditating yourself into a very very deep state state. You're completely relaxed completely surrendered There's no tension anywhere in your body and You are still able to keep yourself awake enough to observe For non physical sounds or non physical sensations that might take place like vibrations and then You can perform an exit technique to get a body from there And this technique, you know, this this method is Powerful for some people because you know, some people are maybe they're deep sleepers So the the semi indirect method might be difficult because they're just not able to Wake up and like remember what to do and they're really confused So then this method can be much better for them because they're able to keep themselves somewhat more Awake In this state these are the three methods and so we experiment with all of these three methods throughout the program Just find out which one is the the right one for you And which one you should focus on for the rest of the time And then you just perfect yourself as you're going through this process of trial and error essentially and we use the scientific method to just kind of figure out How you have to perform this method to to make it work each time Because we want we want you to be able to have a high success rate Shouldn't supposed to be like something that just works, you know once in a month That's not good enough. It's supposed to be something that works all the time because we want you to use it as a tool You know if imagine if you had a computer and it only worked sometimes that wouldn't be very useful You know, so it's it's all about like really fine-tuning the practice the point where you can actually do it that will And do you find that it can be that predictable when you find the technique that works the best for you? Let's say Can it literally be that predictable where you just you run the technique and it works? Yes That's the cool thing about like once you've figured out all the small details You know what time you have to go to sleep and you have to wake up Which position you have to be in which soundtrack which exit technique like there's all of these things Once you figure all of them out You can get this very defined what I call projection blueprint And then you just follow that and it works most times like you can get up to 100 success rate We have students that they do that maybe we're more realistic, you know because life happens, you know And you don't you're not going to sleep the same every night not going to eat the same every night You're not going to feel the same every night, you know your physical eyes may have a big impact If you're stressed about work for some some reasons you'll be more tense So there'll be other factors that will affect your practice. So, you know, you might get up to 70 percent 75 80 90 percent accuracy and that's that's really really good so If somebody was let's say they found the technique that works for them And they found the right exit technique and they've got they've perfected it all like this what sort of Goals should they set with it like should they have a goal even or should they just experience it and just see what happens? Oh, that's a great question It's not going to be super easy, uh, you know, like a walk in the park or something It's going to take time It's going to take dedication discipline and if you don't have a strong why You're going to most likely give up very quickly So it's very important to have a reason why you're actually doing this Is it because you want to connect with the loved one? That's a strong reason Is it that you want to find answers to to your life to your existence to you know, where do you come from? What are you where do you go after this life? Like Is it like all your truth seeker then that can be a very strong reason as well Is it just for fun because you're you're you want to explore for fun and see how it is? That's probably not a strong enough reason to to to go to get any you know to get far with this But if you have a strong reason Then you will be able to put in the work consistent practice on a regular basis And then you will have different goals when you get a body which is good to set It's good to have an intention like okay this in this practice I want to have this experience maybe Just be able to this is my neighborhood You know just get a body in my room and see my living room. That's a really cool one you know like just be in your own environment that you're familiar with And you know see how it feels to put your hand through the wall and feel The inside of the wall the texture the the small debris and take it out again like whoa, that was cool or Go inside of a mirror and see how that feels just teleporting through a mirror or You know flying or like there's all this cool stuff that you can do I think setting these kind of goals are good and the goals should excite you it should be something that like Can't wait to have that experience should shouldn't be something mundane because then if it's mundane Your subconscious doesn't care about that so it's not going to help you with that If it's something that you're like, whoa, I really want to do that and there's an emotional connection to that It's much more likely that's gonna happen And Yeah, I think it's good to take just baby steps You know like just do a few easy things first like just get a body first just Be able to get through that phase of Feeling the vibrations like large times people get to the state of feeling vibrations their body And just being able to be calm in that state can be a goal The next step can be okay now that i'm calm in that state. I want to be able to exit from this And then I want to be able to stay out for at least one minute or something like these steps are important And I think a lot of times people put too much pressure on themselves like okay I'm going to got a body this week and I'm going to see Uh, you know this guy that I'm going to go to healing temple. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa like come on Like just take it slow like this is something that's completely new Let's start with something more realistic, you know like small steps Okay, so I have a question Maybe people are think uh hearing this and I'm thinking it sounds amazing. I want to do it. It sounds achievable I just got to find the right technique for me What would you say about dangers or risks things like I've heard things being mentioned like entities You know being trapped or attacked by things in the astral realm if you're a beginner Can you speak a bit more on that? Because I think that's that's a really important one because a lot of people have these fears these thoughts And so we need to shine light on this, you know, how How dangerous is it? Are you getting yourself into something that can potentially ruin your life or you know, like there's all kinds of fears out there And um, it's interesting. It's really interesting when when I started this I have I heard nothing about these dark things, you know, I heard nothing about You know entities dark entities shadow figures none of this stuff like there was there wasn't a thing In the lectures that I went it was all like beautiful and amazing, you know And so when I started out projecting I had literally all my experiences were Very positive. There was there was no there's nothing negative at all in none of them Some of them I were a bit boring. Maybe I'll just end up on a street and there was nothing happening It was like empty, but there was no scary stuff, you know As soon as I started to consume more negative information from online Places and watching negative movies like, you know insidious and these things I started to have more creepy experiences taking place It and it comes and goes like it's it's almost like the the things there are on They're on your subconscious mind are going to come up in your experiences Are there something to worry about? well in my experience, no like the way I like to think about it is that When you are in the astral Your consciousness Traveling around like a point of consciousness just moving around For the most part, we don't even have a body You know, it's only when we look down and we expect seeing hands in the body that we start to You know grow out a body and now we have a body But for the most part, we're just like a point of awareness and we're just traveling around And we are indestructible. Nothing can really happen to us. No one can hurt us and so The the the only thing that can really happen is that you might end up In a lower astral plane like this darker places And that's the thing there is light and dark there, too Just like we have light and dark on earth in you know in this physical dimension There's going to be light and dark in the astral in these dimensions, too And of course, there are like really light Dimensions where you know everything is like amazing very beautiful very full of love but then there's going to be dimensions where there's a lot of Fear and a lot of scary stuff, too and so you might Suddenly appear in one of these lower places And It's not maybe so pleasant. You don't like what you see there. You don't like the people there This environment everything is very Very heavy Well, you can just simply return back to your body if you don't like it That's a cool thing like as soon as you don't like something or you can you can just teleport somewhere else You know because all you have to do is just change the way you feel And and focus on where you actually want to be instead of where you ended up Or if you just really don't like a situation, you can simply just think about your your your body or think about your bedroom and Your back and your safety sound in your bed and your pajamas and everything is fine And to me that's that's super cool because like imagine if you were when you are in a place They don't want to be in the physical You know, you're in a dark alley Someone's running after you trying to rob you or something and you can't just think about your bedroom and come back It doesn't work, you know You have to fight with that person or run or hide and you might potentially get hurt physically or even You know, they might even kill you or something like something bad can happen So I like to see it like we are very fragile in the physical state And this is a much tougher environment for us to be in in this physical body in this physical place Then we are when we're in the astral and we're having these experiences So for those people that are afraid of you know going to these astral places They should just think about how brave they are to be in the physical in the first place and understand that this is a much tougher environment to be in And we chose to be here And that's also interesting that you know, we chose to come here and have this human experience Even though we knew that crazy things might happen, you know people, you know, there's wars people get raved There's all kinds of horrible things that could happen to you in the physical form But we still chose to come down here and have this human experience Because of the amazing things that can happen and and all the positive things that you can Experience as well. And I think it's the same with astral projection. Yes You can end up in some dark places and see some weird things But there's so many more amazing things that you can do that You don't have to like focus in on all the fearful stuff and worry about that and just it's just better Just focus on all the amazing stuff that you can do and what happens is when you start to have these Out of body experiences, you know, you might have some initial fears in the beginning But as you start having them and you start coming back each time to your body and you notice how easy it is Actually, it's hard to stay out of body. That's the main problem that you're struggling with that. Oh my god I'm wanting to stay out longer, but I got sucked back So when you start having these experiences and you start seeing how easy it is to come back And how fun it is to be out of body and how safe everything is Then your fear starts to go down, you know, lower and lower and lower and start to get away from that fearful mindset that you might have had And that's really important. It's really important to let go of the the fearful filters that we might have put on the practice and really when exploring you want to be in a very open open mind and just See what it is that's going on there kind of be curious instead of going into fear as the first thing Oh my god, I don't know what that is. There's a light there. It's creepy I'm gonna run back to my body like no just kind of they call them and explore. What is that thing? And if you want I can share a little short story about a friend of mine who uh had a very interesting experience where he He was out of body and he was traveling around his flats and he ended up in the kitchen and in the kitchen corner he saw this dark figure in the corner And This is the moment where you have to be open-minded. He saw a dark figure in the corner So for a lot of people when they see that They'll probably freak out and think oh my god. There's a demon in my in my kitchen You know, they'll come back to the body scared sweating The next day they're selling the house They're moving because their house is haunted and whatnot like a lot of things that they project on to that experience Now in this in his case, he wasn't thinking like that. He was more like There's a dark looking figure in the corner. Let me see what this is. Let me get closer So as he got closer The darkness was kind of fading away and he was able to see clearly because the darkness darkness was just like absent of light or something And then as he got closer and closer you could see that out This was actually his son having an out-of-body experience The son was sleeping in the other room having an out-of-body experience not knowing, you know Because this happens to us all the time we're asleep. We have these out-of-body experience We don't remember them his son was his other body and He was now able to see his son and communicate with his son and have a beautiful experience So when he came out about came back to his body and he was telling the story to people He was sharing this story as this beautiful thing that happened. He met his son out of body. It was amazing Now unfortunately, his son didn't remember any of that So there was no he wasn't able to confirm that with his son in that way But for him it was amazing. It was beautiful But it could have come out from the experience thinking, oh my god, it was terrible. There was a demon in my kitchen So the only difference was the mindset, you know, the way we perceive things And that's the thing, you know, we got we might have the same experiences when we go out of body But the way that we interpret them is going to be different based on our belief systems and our fears and all that kind of stuff So it's very important to let go of limiting beliefs and just kind of look at things from an open mindset That's a really cool story. And I think that highlights the like how important it is to Think about how we perceive things Because yeah, you're right Like two people can have exactly the same experience same factors same stimuli or whatever and they'll have completely different conclusions or like Yeah, like you say one of them might freak out sell the house Be scared if that's for projection tell everyone they meet that it's terrible And the other person was just, you know, had a cool experience and now he's going to do more and there's no No problem, you know, it's just like that's his perception. So yeah Yeah, and another thing I want to add to this actually Is that a lot of these negative experiences that you can read online that people share They always happen in sleep paralysis I don't know 9% of the time or more Every time you hear people talk about like, oh my god, there was like entities in my room They're trying to attack me and they're like demons and there's all kinds of scary stuff It always happens Like if you read closely and or if you ask the person more It's not that they went out of body and they saw these things out of body somewhere It's that they're in their room and they're suddenly in this sleep paralysis Which is for those that don't know it's a state where you are essentially Your your body is asleep and it this is it's a natural thing that the body does to go into sleep paralysis So that you don't act out your dreams when you are dreaming What isn't natural is to come back and be Awake like your mind is awake. However, your your body is completely paralyzed That's not as common, but it happens to a lot of people. So it is I guess common in that way And when that happens what happens is your subconscious mind is, you know, very quick with drawing conclusions and projecting ideas onto the situation So so in that state, you know, you cannot move and also breathing can be difficult So then immediately, you know, you draw conclusions that okay, someone or something is holding me down You start to panic you start to feel afraid and you have a hard time breathing So then you think oh someone or something is holding my chest or or strangling me or And then immediately when you start feeling those things You start to then of course start seeing things because you start to project things into your room So you're projecting your fears All around the room and depending on what your fear fears are and it can also be some conscious fears You know, you might see demons if you're someone that comes from the christian Religion you might see gins if you come from muslim religion Or you might see some bad bad aliens if you if you're like into that or whatever it is that you've been consuming That's been fearful, you know, that's stored in your subconscious that stuff might come up might be big spiders, you know And that's because you're in sleep paralysis and you're freaking out because you cannot move The good news is though that even if you are in sleep paralysis, you can make these things disappear simply by Knowing that they're not real. They're just projections of your subconscious And just staying calm and you know wiggle your toes move your tongue around to get out of that state It's one of the techniques to just bear that state So most of the scary stuff that you would read online will always come from this state And not from the past projection state, which is a much more rare ability or a state that people Normally haven't experienced But they confuse them to a lot like I hear that a lot at times like, oh, yeah, I had enough projection Did you like let's let's be real, you know, it's different And I think that's another thing to talk about is like people always like to put things in boxes And the kind of black and white things, you know, always either this or to that But the thing is consciousness is is so many more things than black and whites and all of these experiences can Can behave and experience differently, you know, you can have After projections that are very blue and kind of a little bit blurry. You can have them there like 360 degree vision and you can see everything super clear and vivid and there's all kinds of way to perceive These states it's not just like one or the other Yeah, I think and the same I think goes for lucid dreaming in some way Like it's so many different experiences you can have That you can't just put it in a box and say that's either a lucid dream or it's not a lucid dream Because it's kind of almost like on a spectrum or a scale a spectrum Yeah, and especially when like you say like a lucid dream can lead into an astral projection experience and then back into a lucid dream and then back into like deep meditation or They can kind of oscillate between these different States or places. Can't I let's say if somebody has just I don't know five minutes a day Like they only have five minutes a day spare. They're super busy. They have like 10 jobs or something What would you say they could do? to Build the skills or to make astral projection more likely find a way to extend those five minutes to a few hours Yeah, I mean there isn't at this point There isn't like a you know a button that you can press that can just like boom Get out get you out of body. I'm working on it. You know, it would be nice to have some sort of cool tech App that you can just get you out of body But for the most part at this point, you know, I need to dedicate at least an hour to the practice so that you can Really calm yourself into that state But I think if you really didn't have time to practice and you just Want to kind of do it on the fly Then maybe the lucid dream method will be a way because that's something you can do on the fly And then before going to sleep you can set the intention to have an experience And then it might happen But the thing is with this one is that you leaving it up to a lot of hope There's you know, I have as much control with the thing the x the Experience the the fact that's going to happen because you're going to rely a lot on Having the lucid dream But this can be something that you could do and you can build it up over Over some time where you just be consistent with your reality checks and all the lucid dreaming techniques That you that you would do and then over time it will start to appear in your life, but But yeah, I mean it's still to me like this is something that It works like this like it's not your conscious mind that is that takes you out of body It's your subconscious mind your conscious mind is very much You know, it's it has the idea like I want to do this that cool But if you don't imprint this in your subconscious and make it really important Your subconscious is not going to prioritize having these experiences Like if you're working all the time and you're focusing a lot on work and there's so much happening in your life It's a mess, you know, like you're busy with so many things Your subconscious can be very occupied with all of those things So then at night it's like, hmm. Oh, yeah out of body just before going to sleep like, oh, yeah I remember I wanted to have an out of body experience. I'm just going to like Yeah, I won't have another body experience and then you go to sleep with that intention You know chances are it's not going to happen because you've been focusing on so many other things That your subconscious is focused on and it's immersed in But if you can have I would say if you have a very strong Desire a very strong will it's a powerful emotion attached to it Then it could easily then it can happen much easier because your subconscious Resonates with emotions If it doesn't resonate with the logical thinking if you say, oh, I want to go and see these numbers and my prince plays because Cool, my friends are going to think I'm cool about that or I don't know whatever That's not going to have your subconscious might not care about that But if it's like, oh my god, like there's a heartfelt intention that I want to connect with my loved one That passed away That's a very different emotion and that's a very powerful notion that can actually help you to have a Nobody experience that night Yeah, maybe it's the wrong mindset to think how can I do it in three minutes right now? Yeah Yeah, no, but my guess is like the people listening who want to do it Well, if they're still listening by this point, let's assume they want to do it. They probably would find the time To really give it a shot So, yeah, I think I think that's that's good I think the the way to look at it and which is the way that I also tell my students to look at it is it's not about like Getting out of body as soon as possible Like there's like this goal and I have to do it and I'm going to do it now and A lot of times that can really stop you from having the experience because you put a lot of pressure on yourself And you cannot do this practice with pressure So instead of going that route which never works by the way it's better to go the other routes which is um To fall in love with the journey with the practice to enjoy Doing the meditation because I mean the meditation itself if you're doing the direct method, for example It's a very very pleasant experience. You know, you're getting into a very deep relaxed state that you've probably never ever been at before and just falling in love with the practice just enjoying Going about having these experiences or having the meditation or Just enjoying the process of doing this practice Before we kind of wrap this up and send People to I think you mentioned there was like a free training or something like a free workshop Is that what I didn't mention? Yeah, there is a free workshop A free training that I have on the website that explains all of these different things and Really sheds a lot of light on it and helps people that are complete beginners to understand more and also have House people that are more advanced to also get deeper Um, yeah, exactly So I think that would be really useful for people who want to kind of learn more, right just to dive in Have the first experience and just see what it's all about Yeah, so I mean the link will be down below this video, right? There'll be a link takes us to websites They can watch the the video. It's about 29 minutes long Has a lot of visual effects a lot of cool graphics that I've been creating myself with my own hands Because my my background used to be a visual effects artist. So There's a lot of cool stuff in there. So you guys will probably really enjoy watching it. It's gonna be fun Nice. Yeah, the link as he said will be directly below the video probably in the pinned comment as well And uh, yeah, so before we kind of wrap this up. Is there anything Advice tips things stories things you want to share? I would just say that, you know, if you're someone that you're still watching this Then you are you're someone that for sure has a there's a calling. There's a seed within you That's like There's something within that's kind of like just calling you to do this. You don't know what it is But there's something there I would say follow that because I see that with so many of our students, you know, they they have this They they have this there's something they don't know what it is. They're just drawn to this There's something within us and I think it's built in it's most like part of our DNA To explore beyond I think, you know, we are here, you know, we wake up here as The baby like whoa, we don't have no understanding of what's going on we think our parents do and then we wake up Realizing that they don't know either and it's it's a very natural journey to go on to Ask questions and to find out what is this reality we're in and Ask rejection is one of those practices that is key To going further on that journey and finding out these things and it's not about listening to what I say or what any other person says Is real or it's not real. It's really about having your own experience. It's about you learning these techniques So you can go out there and have your own personal experiences. That's how we learn. That's how we can grow That's how we can really expand our consciousness is through own personal experiences No matter what somebody else has experienced Doesn't help us. It doesn't like oh my god now I've changed now You know it doesn't it's about having your own experience. That's why we come here and have a human experience You know, we could have just have another soul tell us how it is to be human But that wouldn't be anything because it's not how we understand and learn things is through experience If you're called to this like really follow that calling and really pursue this journey because I think You're you're meant to go on this journey. That's beautiful. Yeah, I love it So yeah, thank you so much again for coming on and talking to to me and to the listeners and Yeah, it's been really really great to have you and I'm sure we'll do another episode and dive a little bit deeper But I didn't want to overwhelm everybody in the first one So yeah, I mean they have some questions, you know They can post some of the questions below and we could do another video like this If they have some specific things that they want to know if we see like, okay A lot of people they seem to want to know more about this area Now we can do another video and talk about that I'm totally open to that because this has been fun and I I want to share more of this with people Because I think this is something that not enough people know about You know, people still think you're crazy when you talk about these things even though there's so much evidence, you know, that's come out and You know, it's I mean when I started this I was a skeptic myself. That's the thing I used to I didn't believe this was, you know, a thing I thought maybe they're imagining things these people But it's crazy and it's only when you have your first experiences that that shifts, you know And so of course, I know that for a lot of people it's hard for them to like shift like this just because I'm talking about it But when they have their own experiences That's when the shift takes place And I think it's a very empowering shift to have knowing that you're so much more than this physical body And that you will continue after physical death. I think that's a it's a major upgrade in your view upon yourself and upon life that I think everyone should have Yeah, for sure. Wow. Well, yeah, so the link's down below go and check out the training video and Yeah, I think it's going to be an amazing experience Yeah, enjoy. So, yeah Thanks once again and yeah, see you next time. Thank you