 Welcome back to the breakfast on plus TV Africa Our next conversation is moving to the southeast where president Muhammad a Bowery is Expected to visit emo states tomorrow and of course commissioned some projects. He's been welcomed by the state governor But there is a little bit of controversy with the IPO be putting out statements saying that the president is not welcome And of course at the same time declaring once again a sit-at-home order in the southeast or in the most state We're joined this morning by the deputy president of Oh, and as in the world wide team, which is cool. Good morning. Thanks for joining us, sir Good morning. I'm very grateful. I'll thank you. All right. So I'm gonna start with asking For first of all, oh, and as in the world wide is it? It's the same with our nezzan D. Bo it does it represent the voices of the whole of the southeast So is it a totally different body? Organization of our social cultural organization of from D. Bo all over the world Okay, is it normal is normal the president general Is thermal and that's on January 9 2021 Okay, is it is it is this different from on as in D. Bo which is led by John Obie also by chief John Obie also No, he's not the chief Professor I beg your pardon. Yes. Is this is this a different body from it? Okay, all right, so now let's we might come back to this Well, let's now get to your views on the president's visit to emo state and the IPO be Saying that present moment of our is not welcome And there would be another sit at home on Thursday quickly share your thoughts concerning that Allegedly shoot a statement that The present is not welcome to Ebo land the position of our needs is different well said the president Is the president and commander in chief of the federal Republic of Nigeria? Nobody can stop the order the Constitution is the chief executive Achieve secret office of the control So, Mr. Okoku, what does the on is the indigo plan to do beyond issuing a press statement? To make the people of the southeast, you know, actually disregard this sit at home order What you plan to do to ensure that this sit at home order does not take place Are you engaging with the people? What exactly like what actions is on is it taking beyond releasing a press statement? Well, the truth we are there Caution in the past I pop an ESM to be peaceful more violent democratic and accommodating Without some sort of violence in any form and in any way All right, but but you know, I think that the question really is, you know, who really has the ears Of the southeast is it's on as any but worldwide? Is it the Governors of the southeast is it's the on there's any boy headed by professor. Be also, or is it the IPOB? nations in Igbo land under our hands, and there are some organizations who must admit that have told a different path that The ideology the press post the conditions and the ideas are not being pursued by the junctives in the wall Mr. O'Cuckoo in the press statements that you can hear me, Mr. O'Cuckoo Yes, in the press statement that you released you basically went on to say that The president really is an Igbo loving man, you know He's someone who has put Igbo people in his cabinet, but if you know what she says true Why do you think there's such an opposition by I pop to the president's visit? Why are they so against the president's coming to the southeast? Why do we Why do you think the IPOB is against having the president set foot in Igbo state? Why is that you opposing the president coming to you must be yes, please when the IPOB Had said that they are desirous to get an independent state of Biafra. That's what they said at once With a lot of the Igbo's majority of Igbo's don't subscribe to Biafra ideals They don't majority of people's believes that they're Nigerians IPOB is in the minority Igbo land So how can we explain in minority being able to have such control over a whole people in the southeast? Where the issue goes Mondays and then people obey and people who don't get punished their goods get destroyed So how do we explain that and who really holds the power in Igbo state on the southeast? Or you they don't control the body and soul of Igbo land You are aware of that it is the To some extent The the terminate the social media to say that I control there are said many things that did not come to pass In Anambra Three four years ago. They said I'll be the election. I was a lesson. I don't want to double inch I don't want to discuss that my concern is that the president is welcome to Igbo land Yeah, but but this is why we're asking these questions because for Successive Mondays the IPOB has you know declared a seat at home And of course the people in the southeast mostly have respected that seat at home order, you know No, respect is please, please, please Yeah Yes, great You must be careful not to eat for it to be destroyed if you So the issue is that mentally let go that you're going to destroy goods Marcus will not be open not because the people obey you Yeah, but whatever reason it there is for obeying either out of fear or because they believe in the cause of Great Mr. Uncle could the point here is regardless of what the reason is People have continuously stayed indoors on Mondays in the southeast No, I didn't but miss how cool there's a state government in the southeast I get I get your point. I completely get your point with your cuckoo, but I'm saying that there still is The state governments in the southeast that have given We lost miss. I'll cook who there It's unfortunate that our interview had to end that way Because that's exactly why we've brought you up on the show so that you can explain what the situation is in the southeast It's it's a I find that quite, you know absurd that Rather than come out to explain to the people of Nigeria. What exactly is going on in the southeast He chose to end that interview that way Well people of the southeast that's exactly what it is. He's saying the Cititum order is not voluntary He's basically, you know, you heard, you know, his points regarding that But we wish that we can get all the people from the side of the on is indigo to collect things out for us regarding What would happen in Imo State on Thursday and regarding the cracks in the Ones indigo as well as a whole. Yeah, but I think it has been established over time that it's not necessarily voluntary There are people when you've said it over and over that people sit at home Not because they necessarily so really it's not even about the reason it's regardless of they continue to sit Why do we have a police? Why do we have law enforcement agencies? I mean, that's why they exist. They exist to check crime. They exist to checkmate and Disruptions to law and order so when disruptions to law and order come up Then the police should swing into action because that's why you were constituted in the first place Absolutely And remember one of the questions that I asked with your cocoa this morning is who really has the ears of the people of the Southeast because if you say that the IPO be given these orders and people are respecting them out of fear There is a government that should be able to say no, you know We are the government in the south is not the IPO be you've called them a minority which is fair But there is a government that should say we are the government We are the ones who make the laws in the southeast. There should be honest in the boat now He mentioned and then you know, that's one thing I've always known that there are two factions There's the honest indigo that is led by professor Obyoso and then there's also the honest indigo worldwide which he is a deputy president of so there are different bodies That should have the ears of the people of the southeast and be able to give them You know some orders that people should have trust in and these things Over time people have said that these things point out Failure of proper leadership of the southeast either traditional leadership Social-cultural leadership Or government leadership in the southeast and that's the place that these Minority IPO be have taken to be able to tell people to sit at home. So what do you expect? This is why that question is critical If so sexist Mondays have happened and people have actually stayed at home I'd out of fear or because they love the IPO be or because they don't feel like walking on Mondays because they had a stressful Sunday What of the reason is what do you think would happen if the same order comes on Thursday? Who then is the other people of the South is going to listen to is it the same IPO be that you said they fear? Or is it the government who says the president is coming so everybody should come out? See Osara gay, you see what just happened now. Well, we're trying to have a conversation We have no stakes in this matter. We're trying to have a conversation with the Stakeholder the deputy president of the harness in the Indigo and worldwide. Yes, and He didn't have the patience. He says it's not a patient man. He didn't have the patient to have a Balance objective fair conversation with journalists now imagine what the scenario would look like When it comes to speaking with IPOB members because I asked this because we talk about Communication and conversation and dialogue been the answer We just attempted one and it failed. So we hear from people governors in the Southeast We hear from the over instead governor David do her mahi We hear from governor saying or what are you when journalists ask them? What are you doing about the IPOB situation? What he said or what they say is that they are conversing Collaborating working with the IPOB working with on his indigo to communicate and dialogue with the IPOB to make sure That is resolved now if a representative of the on here The on is a indigo worldwide cannot have a simple phone interview with a TV station to clear this so you can then imagine What a disaster communication or conversation or dialogue would be? With the people with the stakeholders that are involved. I really don't see any headway really, you know From such conversations or such gatherings because if it was a physical meeting We can imagine him just walking up and leaving and that really doesn't take us forward. Yeah, I'm not gonna you know, I don't You know want to you know Describe his personality with that you probably had a rough morning And you know, like it says not a patient person. Okay, but it still doesn't take away You know the details of the actual conversation But it shows the fact that dialogue over this issue would seem like a very tough thing to do obviously and you know It probably is the reason Things have turned out this way because for a long time for years. They have been these agitations They have been these, you know conversations springing up here and there, you know right from my sob to you know Namdee Kano led IPOB to of course the springing up of ESN here and there and to you know What we have today they have there's been enough time from the rough or rough was a decade period, you know Of my sob to where we are today for them to have an actual conversation. Yes You may not be able to get, you know, the restructuring or to get your behalf right immediately but there has been enough time for Conversations and I'm not saying that they haven't tried because I've spent time in the southeast and I know that they've they have tried Government has tried traditional leadership has tried their certain personalities professor Ben I think it's been one way say who's a Constitutional lawyer professor question of constitutional law has been in the forefront of these conversations with the state governments even the morning The very morning that IPOB was prescribed. There was a meeting at the new state government house that Somehow somewhere in the country didn't show up for that meeting, but I was I was aware of these things happening here and there How successful have these conversations been obviously not very very successful How have they been able to establish themselves as one body walking for the same goal? not very successful and and in what ways has the traditional leadership and the The government leadership in the south is been able to establish yourself as the main Voice of the southeast and that includes our nezzan able There's obviously now two factions at is picking the same voice and that's the reason I started the conversation We'd help with asking him to identify or to clarify for us if professor John Obie also and the leadership of the current Mohandes and Igbo worldwide as speaking in the same voice I just begin the same language today believing the same things are they both, you know, do they have the same? Ideas or views concerning IPOB's agitation Do they have the same views concerning present mama Dubuari's and efforts, you know with the southeast these are very very when two different organizations Who claim to want the unity of the southeast? I'm not to be unified within themselves I live it of that. Oh, well, that's it. Well, even in party congresses. There's factions. I just live that happens with politics but anyway The conversation has been on tomorrow's visit of president mama Dubuari to the southeast we must state ways, you know When to commission some projects and of course the state government has put out a message saying he's very very much welcome But the IPOB thinks entirely different and we initially had tried to have conversation with President us present deputy president of our nezzar indigo worldwide to understand what tomorrow might play out like Does you know the points that which are who made in his press release? Do those things really really? Matter with regards the views Consent in the southeast we'll take a short break now and of course we will be back right after yes Look, we're ending the conversation now But what sees indefinitely to this as part of our CSR would be educating you on road signs in Nigeria And so when you drive around the city of Lagos when you drive around the country Do watch out for those road signs and obey them obey traffic rules and save lives Thank you very much for joining us on the breakfast this morning. I am a netta Felix, and I am also gay Oh boy, we show very interesting that Wednesday ahead