 All right. Hi. Hi, my name is Ben. Hi. Nice to meet you. Been nice meeting you. Yeah So I'm here today because I have a couple things that I was hoping to talk to you. Sure about One of them is personal sure and the other ones are a project that I've been working on To show you But the first one is so I've I've lived in Taiwan for 11 years now and I Have been hoping to apply for citizenship here So I've been trying to go with a route of the high level for a professional, but recently I had my application rejected. Yeah I I'm not sure why they didn't give me a lot of feedback So you already put a little on the lesson card. No, I have a PRC Yeah, yeah, so I mean you're familiar with the process. Yeah, of course. Of course. I am and so yeah so I'm wondering They told me that I could read why of course you could and so I put together a new application I'm just wondering if you'd be willing to walk through the process read the well Just read the cover letter that I put together and see What you think it's missing and why it was possibly rejected Because they wouldn't offer many details. They just say Did you go to your local household registration on the fast track? Because you already have a PRC. Yeah, but that would require renunciation, right? Renunciation no, no, no, no It's a new policy to see like this renunciation free application also Is now taken care of by the minister in fear. Yeah, so instead of going through MOE a or an LST if you already Have a PRC then that means that the who call the household registration desk will be able to just take your application Send a kind of verification letter to the minister in charge But they do not have to convene a council Okay to evaluate like they wash and board has been simplified Okay, they just have to reply saying I look like to us and then the who call our registration We'll be able to get back to you And this is me like as of this year. Wow, okay, I didn't know about that Yeah, because what I've been trying to do is get a recommendation letter from MOST and then have to go to the boy and get that approved But they you know Okay, okay, I'll have to try this thing But yeah, I welcome any feedback you have on the on the letter and you know what you think it's missing or what what could be improved I think this is pretty good and really the the fact is that the simplification process already Predicates its kind of criteria on the permanent residence So if you already have a permanent residence Not only there's no panel review required, but actually the recommendation letters are optional anyway Really, but of course it helps it's an event But yeah, so it's a real simplification of the process basically saying that a PRC over who work for one of the profession that we consider high professional Like talent for talent, whatever the term that it uses is almost automatically qualified for naturalization without reconciliation and it's always a new direction for them a lot Which is why they bear willing to serve as kind of the one stops desk for this kind of application at the household registration Yeah, that's just oh, that's awesome. Okay. That's cool. I will go talk to them See what they say That's really that's really good to hear. Okay cool To the to the new Process and I'll just email it to you. It was raining. Oh, it's a B. Homnic B. H. O. M. M. I see okay, okay Gmail, okay You How do I connect to the Wi-Fi? Sure si lab, you know, I think that that one is free. Oh, there's a triple-in-edge Wi-Fi There we go, okay, so I want to I want to show you project Yeah, so I love I love hiking And I know with the with the pandemic it's getting more and more popular people are going out and But I feel like there's not a lot of really good English language resources for going hiking So what I've done is I put together this site Yeah, so it's it's called peaks of Taiwan and the idea is that it's going to be route guides and Hiking information that covers all 100 of Taiwan's by yet so At this point basically, you know, the the framework is done the website's done and it uses You know CC images from Flickr The GPX data is crowdsourced. So it's it's it's kind of cool You know and it has Tools for like finding routes that you think would be good, you know, I need I need public transport I need an easy route. Okay. I can go up snow mountain Okay, right easy easiest one It's for everyone, it's for everyone. Yeah Do you hike at all? No You climb I tried but the last time I tried even to on the elephant mountain or the Yangming Mountain is There's just so many people taking pictures with me. Yeah, I can't really climb either up or down too much of a celebrity Yeah, so so I think I mean I think the Like it includes all the information right public transport how to get departments cabin information photos The recommended itinerary the GPX you can put on your on your GPS unit with with all the information in Chinese and English But can you apply for the cabins here? You can't apply for the cabins, but it has links for doing that. So for instance, there's a section, right? Here's here's the link where you apply for the cabins It takes you to the national to the national I know you guys were working on a Yeah, the unified application system Okay, well, maybe I can link to that as well so This is this is a big project and You know, I've done a lot of day that input myself But you know, I have 12 of 100 peaks and and that's already, you know, been a ton of time to cover How would you recommend, you know looking for collaborators or Getting drawing attention to this project so that they can get some interest and maybe get some contributors to help out But first of all, I think the API that we developed pretty much Allowing the cabins and campsites existing what's like to talk open API Through this one-stop type smart, I would say this email you I think it's your natural ally because it gets updated quite frequently and there's kind of official English translations email to base at hike I KD that I Take that time. Yeah, that's you And there's a planet I from the upper left side that we would click should show English All right, it's already she's English actually show English Yeah Well, yeah, so the main idea is is your natural ally and There's also of course the application providers that already Integrate with this service and part have been Instrumentally developing this like the hiking book And and so on so there's like this ecosystem of F providers that feels this together. That's that's HPX That's very cool. Yeah, what is the name of the hiking book you mentioned? Yeah, just hiking book I think it's hiking book that net It's an app. It's an app But also is part of the ecosystem that basically Shares the GDX and so on that will gain rich Experience. I don't know whether they have plans for internationalization, but it's worth a try to reach out with them. Oh, that's cool. Oh There is English Okay, this is very cool So it does this is this system. Is this something new or is it like a wrapper around the national park? It's new. I'm just a wrapper Physically all the existing systems we may show that they have the open API Points what sense of life so that this one-stop system can make the same registration in a fair fashion As you would on those previous operating websites, so it's not every place minus right or more like a kind of unified entry home Okay, I see and you said there's an API for this If you start, you know, the inspector you see that I started digging into it. Yeah, and there's another ecosystem hiking Hiking that be I J I just see oh, yes that one. I do hiking Hiking that be I J I This is when I plan like this way when I plan I use this one. This one integrates with the application system They advised us in the initial design. I'm not sure whether they actually consume today there or not Okay, cool. Yeah, let me play around with this and see if it's something we could integrate at least an entry point to the permit system Yeah, you know when you when you click the link you just type in you the date You want to start and hit go and it returns returns the app for you Yes, and then they all have the pros of the ops have a really large community around it So some of them probably speak English. And so it's a great way to recruit fellow developers and you will promote Okay, great. Do you think that any media would be interested in covering this project? Oh So see I don't really like I don't know about the media related to this activity, but but I imagine the maybe the zero summit there's always a media outreach for the ideas of civic technology where people can improve on each other and Make things better together, especially part of it. It's based on all the data or it's loose And so I think of zero summit this year is in Thailand. I'll be there actually December so actually on that previous page. There's a summit Banner right this one This one the large one. Yeah, there's a pink. Yes Uh, here we go. Okay, so the agenda. I don't know whether it includes hiking but certainly around facilitating place making original travels Environmental preservation or Really on day three is just huge amount of unconferences Just host this session yourself. I guess Wow, okay. It's a great way to connect you to fellow Civic media. That's that's what we use. Okay. Yeah, maybe maybe I'll I'll do that What is this December 3rd to 6? Okay, just still some time just doesn't time to get ready. That's very cool. Um, so one of the one of the additional Features that I wanted to do actually it's the project that I wanted to do first before I ended up doing this was I wanted to do visualization of hiking safety based on accident reports Because you know the laws have been changing Recently now they're opening up places that needed permits before They're all you just needed insurance. Yeah. Yeah, you know, and there's there's a lot of controversy on whether or not that's Actually safer or if it's causing people who are unprepared to go out and get lost I know So I've been I've been talking to Toroco National Park to see if I can just get data on You know the accident reports, you know where it happened how many people are involved The reason whether it was being unprepared or whether or something else And uh, they said we you know, we can't really give out that data because it's you know, it's unless They fly the helicopters in which case there is open data. Yeah for helicopter flights Yeah for helicopter flights Okay, um, and they also told me that it's kind of a mess because The report goes to whoever responds first to the incident So if the national park responds, they do the report and if the police respond then they do the report instead Um So is is there a way to request data from at data that GOV? There's a Something called I want more I think Okay Yeah, because I do I have some contacts at the national parks and I think I can probably convince them The interactive who don't join you or the third from the uh Who don't want you? Yeah, that's the the third on the top menu Yeah, this one and then I was thinking a couple Quite literally and then you just Tell them what kind of data you want and they usually get back to you within a couple weeks Oh, wow Can you can you can see an example of how the request is formed and Sure Very cool. All right. This is exactly what I'm looking for. Yeah. Yeah Um, and usually they're pretty responsive And if they can't open at least they'll give you a pretty good reason for it. Okay. It's not just bureaucratic We don't want we don't want to do this Efficient and effective bureaucracy Yeah, not not used to that kind That's great. This is this is fantastic. Okay. Cool. Yeah, so I think I think that'll that'll probably be the next project Is it maybe maybe make it addition here because I plan on doing This whole information section about like, you know insurance dangers equipment All that all that stuff. Awesome. So that should be that should be good. Cool. Okay So you think the best way to get attention is to Yeah, to to uh, make sure that a civic media knows about the project Okay, there's a way for them to contribute to another day now. Yeah, I mean, it's yeah, you can it's all open source. It's on github The you know, you can contribute photos. It's all season eyes and then yeah, just just I don't know just Go to a conference room and start talking about your project There's uh, by mostly happens ones. So feel free also to um, attend those by mostly happens ones or 50 and just Book a kind of pitch And then just yeah, I was I'm sure many of them do high Okay, fantastic. I mean Um, we're we're the hackathons organized at those on There's a there's a english version of that website. It comes up automatic. Yeah. Wow Yeah, I think the second link again or it's Is currently broken, but uh, uh, but you can you can join it on the events and then Um, but sorry the the one this is juling we hold on this the force on the menu aton Fourth on the right. Yeah, juling we hold on right and then da song root for the second. Yeah, and it goes to the hackathon brutal, I think Yeah I'd say if you click register now then Uh, well it goes to I guess to the registration page. Yeah to the registration which already does but uh, I mean, there's one every other month Okay, and what is how does the hackathon work? Uh, it explains that on a previous page like very meticulous Like the process it's almost a hackathon. Okay. Yeah, I'll check this out. Yeah Yeah And the people I mean do these have to be new projects or can you bring something you've been working on as long as it's Uh, under open definition like open source or open data is fine. Okay, perfect. That's awesome Okay, definitely. Definitely have to do that. Um And then in in general, I mean like I'm I'm happy to contribute to other projects that are that are interesting. Um Is this a good way to find projects? Yeah, definitely Um, are these like government projects or are these private? These are public service projects Yeah, because g0v like it's just a changing g o v d w the o to zero as an additional reimagination of government digital services Like what if comes to this point like this? Okay. Yeah And so yeah peaks that tw sounds like something That's because zero people would do actually Okay That's that's that's good here. Yeah. Yeah, and I think I know like, you know, there aren't a lot of tourists coming in right now Well, no two is coming in right now But you know, it's it's getting more and more popular So, yeah, just just a little way to contribute to that. Um, see what else is on my list Um I think I think that's basically everything I wanted to ask you It's effective and efficient So, yeah, not keep it short and sweet. Um, yeah, thanks again for you. It's really pleasure to meet you and I'll I'll go talk to the city. Send me a link through the yeah, I send you a link for the api our signature position process Okay, and let me know if there's anything Okay, great. I'll um This is yeah, okay. So this is the same one that I was talking about Yeah, but but there's they there's the second clause in it If you have the mehi, right? Yeah, I don't then you don't need oh, no, I don't have it. I don't have a mehi You you you have an aprc have an aprc But I think you you can't go to the the household registration desk anyway because that's the first clause It says, uh, shen xing ren ke xian chan lei zhen bu right, so so that says, um It doesn't have to be mo sd. It could be mo ea and uh because you're um unique and innovative And I said it on record That's official unique and innovative like specializing in free software and open source development And I think still I think it's uh the qualification that because the the the thing is that if you go to ml i first Then it's well within their kpi to help you naturalize. Okay, if it goes with your mo st Apparently they don't have that a kpi Oh, okay. Yeah, because I went to ml st and um You know it was rejected and everyone says ml st. They're they're super strict. Yeah, they want academic people I know I know I know and and and I mean social innovation. That's a mo ea specifically a mo ea sm ea Same but uh, if you go through ml i then ml i people will know that if you go to ml st They don't necessarily know that. Okay. So so I should I should I should go to the household registration office and just say I want to directly apply it to ml i That's right. That's right. And then and then say that because you specializing in social innovation Audrey tom to do that mo ea sm ea might be actually that the right Window to ask but you're not that sure. So you defer to the ml i. Okay. Yeah Okay, perfect. Great. Thank you so much. Yeah, and attach that youtube clip It probably would I mean just seeking to give this particular moment very highly regret. Yeah two seconds Perfect, okay, I'll give a shot. I'll let I'll let you know how it goes I think I I think I made a follow-up appointment in a month or so. So sure. Sure. Just just just follow up on that Yeah, and if the experience doesn't work as as we intended to then I can give over to the ministry of interior Oh, that's that's really that's fantastic. I really appreciate that. Thank you so much. Um Okay, I'll give it a shot. Let's see what happens. Um Great, um I don't this is kind of silly. Can I can I take a picture with you? No worries. We're just doing a video together, but Joey can help taking the picture. Yeah Geez Perfect, thank you so much. Thank you. All right. Well, it was a real pleasure meeting you. Um, I'll try this and uh, You know how it goes. Yeah, happy hacking Thank you, too And hiking too That's right