 So, it's like we're meeting the town of Berlin to order. With us tonight is, to my far left is Justin Lawrence. Flo Smith, on the right is John Quinn. I'm Brad Town. With us also is our town administrator, Tom Badowski. Any additions or changes to the agenda, Tom? No. Public comment, Fisher Road Colbert, Robert Clark. I think we have some of the comment here. That's that? Just a moment. Sorry I didn't go about this the right way of getting on the agenda and everything. So, we just hear about the unallocated sewer, the new program of paying and all that stuff. So, with the COVID-19 and everything, we're having a hard time getting access to certain records. It's just a time thing. And I don't know if you've gotten any of that, but I sent a letter last week about my personal at my house not wanting the allocation because there's no sewer line there. It came with a permit. Chip would give you, by the way, sorry. So, we've got some quite a bit with what you incorporated. Some old, some not so old, but a lot of it needs to get figured out from inside. I know Brad's been aware of some of the issues anyway. So, what I'm trying to do is see if we can get some more time to keep working on this and because some of it we may or may not need, and some of it we have to come to agreement on anyway. So, that's what I'm hoping for if I know the date was last Saturday. So, I don't know if you can say, you know, you can have some more time without paying 8% in 1% a month penalty. So, I guess that's right. And he said, I know you can't really make decisions because we're not an agenda item. I know this is a special meeting and everything, but I just wanted just to... We'll put it on for next Monday. Not next Monday. We do say, you know, day after Labor Day, the 8th. Week after. Week after. Okay. Won't be next week after. Week after. Chip, I'm not fully excuse. Are you talking about your primary status? No, this is sewer allocations for properties that are not connected. You're getting penalized on that as well. Well, yeah, the new rate is, I think, 0.2 a quarter for the allocation. I don't know, I'd have to look back the numbers up, but it's significant. It's significant amount of money. So, I could speak to that, if anybody wants. Sure. Public board board has probably for the last year and a half has been discussing, yeah, especially centered around the Newtown Center, that there has to be a certain amount of allocation earmarked for the Newtown Center. The town has a 600,000 gallon a day allocation from the city of Montpelier, and we have about 400,000 gallons of that already allocated. We did a review of that. About 150,000 gallons a day of that has been for allocations for about 24 years old and never been connected to the system. So, we sat down and talked to all those owners of that allocation and we said, look, do you really need this allocation? And some said they did, some said they didn't and they gave it back. And so, the public board board with the ordinance that you folks adopted in January allows for billing of the fixed cost portion of the sewer system to the allocated non-connected customers and this is what Mr. LeBue was talking about. We've been talking about this for a long time. I don't think the, I don't know if this is your decision or the sewer, the health board, I don't think they would, I don't think the public's work board would have a problem draining an extension of how close to the type of work. I found, I just found today a large file that this issue came up again probably in 97 and a lot of, I think what you folks have, we still have in the books, was rescinded at that time. So, this may be a moot point and so we just need to sit down and ship and go over that. I just discovered that file today. But I don't think, if it's the public's work board, I don't think they have an issue granting a continuance of the payment. I think it's really Diane's, you know, what issues there are. I have not charged late fees. I'm sorry? I have not charged late fees. Yeah. Because I knew there were some issues. Well, we always put it on the agenda for, yeah. The, yeah. Before then, can you bring us, you know, kind of a recommendation on where it goes, whether it's the order of sewer board or the slide board? I'm not sure by statute. You talked to Rob. Yeah, I didn't go either. What did you guys do at the time? The public board imposed it, so I'm making the assumption they could say, giving to the public. And this is in anticipation of the Decades Tomorrow project we have over there? And it's only unconnected allocations. So it doesn't matter, like, with my building on the very Montpelier Road where I'm not utilizing any or the fixed cost portion, you know, $8,000 today. Okay. Well, thank you. I hope I can bring you better information next time. Thank you. See you next week. Hey, Chip, can you follow me? We can maybe work a lot of this out. Okay, yeah. I'll try to do it. We're so busy. Yeah. I'm not really complaining. I'm just complaining. We're so busy. Take care. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. So let's see your official report. Robert Clark. So Robert's not joining us today. I sent you some notes from conversations today that we have with the agency natural resources. The long and the short of it is that they are going to require the long form of the stream alteration permit. The long form carries with it a minimum of a 30-day public comment period. So as I put in my notes to here today that if we actually had the application in our hand today and submitted, it would be 40 days from today that we may see a permit. So we don't have that perfect thing. I'm going to add that application in hands. Yeah. And as I see that, they don't let you work in the water after October 1st. So you met Stephen Wolf from Contact. He was here. And he has got permission in the past, recent past this year from the agency natural resources for emergency repairs to allow after October 15th working in the streams. So we are going to approach the ANR rivers and streams person and see if they will grant us that. If not, then I've got a couple things here I think we should try to do. The first one is I would like the select board's authorization to hire Otter Creek Engineering to develop that stream alteration working in the stream application. It's $2,000 cost. We're going to have to do this. If we do this in October, November or we do it next year. So if we do push it off once we get that permanent hand I know there was some angst about not maybe bidding this project and we would need that permanent hand to really develop some bid specs. I think that's going to be a couple grand itself on top of that. But I think once we get the permanent hand to have the conversation with ANR if they allow us to immediately get into that stream I think that's a different decision, another decision that the select board can make if they say no you can't do it until next year. I think that's a different path. Is it going to cost us anymore to have to try to get everything finished here? Cost whom? The taxpayers, the town. Is it going to be more of a cost for the permanent to have them pushed to have it done? They don't think it's going to be more of a cost as far as the permanent goes but it will be as a cost of mobilizing. If it was going to be a problem next year you could suddenly put it out to bid. Didn't it be a matter of mobilization costs? The thing right now is the estimators are already there on site. So it would just be a cost to put it out to bid. How much are we talking about to have it mobilized though? That's entirely what they need. I'm assuming it's just going to be a couple of excavators and some water pumps or something like that. So not that much? Not much. I don't know if the permanent stays open for. There's an enjoy. Yeah, when is it? You'd have to have speak to Jaren about that. I think you could get it from the construction season. Oh yeah. So the permanent will stay open for 18 months or something like that. I don't have time to get the work done. I would check with Jaren to make sure that it's not from October 15th to October 15th. That type of thing. Just make sure that if we apply for the permanent it's granted that it's good for next year's construction season until October. The only issue is the severity of the decay of that structure and what's the catastrophic failure potential. That's what you guys are facing. That's what decisions you have to make. Well I can say it's going to come down to A and R. The thing that I'm thinking about is you won't have the money in October either way. Right? I mean we're not going to have that amount of funds. Not quite. A lot of people have paid for the entire year, which is great. But not quite enough. Well there's a couple of courses of financing. You and Slickworth can always take out a loan. There's financing there available. How short were we? Wasn't that much? No it wasn't. That was spending everything we had. And the question I was under the wrong impression that if you guys made a decision that we could start spending money now and put it on a blonde boat the blonde banks would know that they don't operate that way. But the blonde bank does not. So their recommendation was either a short turn note or borrow from yourself. But if you borrow from yourself make sure you pay it back in a timely manner. And they suggested five years. So if you borrow the funds from yourself their recommendation five years do something with your tax base to pay for it in five years. Or you guys talked about Lovers Lane and the Richardson Road and this maybe pulling them together on a town-wide boat which the next one that we can get on without a special election would be town meeting March of 2021. So I would like to get your folks authorization $2,000 to start the application to stream operation. We're going to need it in Eloa. And the engineering from Otter Creek that was the $2,000 That was for the application. For the application. My only question around that is how do we pick Otter Creek? Well they've done our water and sewer projects so they have all the tap mapping now for that area. But isn't all of that online through A&R anyways? No. This is the town owns these drawings. For the water sewer. But for the streams and things like that. The hydraulic flows and things like that. Those are owned by agency and natural resources. Any engineer can do it. We've did it. We've done that for us. That's why we're able to have the conversation with Jaren. Which may recall, we wanted to see if there was enough hydraulic capacity in the new sleeve to warrant sleeving, if not, that we were going to have to do an open cut and basically a bridge. Jaren today said he thought the calculations looked fine and so the sleeving is a potential. He didn't say an assuring, he said it's a potential we need to get this stream alteration permit and have them review that with respect to this sleeving. Now the stream alteration is that going to be just for the sleeving or is it going to be for a sleeving in or a different structure? I don't know if that's a good question. I mean you know what I'm saying? No I do. I think what you would get out of if they decide you can't do a sleeve, I think what you would get with the money you spent for the application, you get all of that. There's a lot of background stuff you have to do with respect to the application. You may have to if the worst day scenario is a bridge, you may have to tweak that application to take it into account that bridge, but I don't think the 2000 is money wasted, I don't think you're spending I don't think you're going back to the ground zero in doing the project. You guys need to be aware of me about a bridge there and it's going to be at an angle uphill and fairly steep. And then John, Father Creek has experienced their own they know us. They've got to stop. The other option is going to Bend to find for a $2,000 project. The thing that is, you have to or you're supposed to go out to Bend after five. I know that it's discretionary. Is that our policy diagram? Yeah, just be changed it. I'm prepared to make an authorization if a motion there's no further discussion. We're supposed to have a motion in the second before the discussion. Go for it. I make a motion to authorize Otter Creek to develop the stream alteration permit at a cost of $2,000 for the wetlands permit. Any further discussion? No. Any further discussion? Carrying none, those in favor? Aye. Boking carries. Thank you. Executive session tonight? Yes. Personnel? Legal. Legal. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Thank you.