 Tiskey's hour is taking a break for the Christmas period but while we're away we're going to be putting out the 12 days of Tiskey 12 videos one for each month and with a clip that we think is particularly interesting to look back on given what has happened since. So let's go back to January Labour was in the middle of a leadership election. He is in the end a liar, he is callous, he doesn't care, he plays at politics, he plays with people's lives, he needs to be held to account. We need to make sure and frankly I think that he has a woman problem, he certainly has a problem with me and during the two years when I was shadowing him though eventually the papers came out and agreed with me that he was the single worst foreign secretary this country has ever seen and I was part of exposing that and I'm proud of it and I want to take him on again as leader of the opposition because that Prime Minister needs to be exposed. Feeling that base collapse beneath our feet on election night was shattering but our task is bigger than rebuilding the red wall. We've got to build the red bridge that stretches from Lewisham to Lee and enables us to speak for very different parts of Britain again. We're a movement that was built by not just four working class people and we need to rediscover that but we need to fight for an economy that sees investment in our deindustrialised regions and nations and that will only happen with a socialist aspirational democratic economy that shifts power, economic power and political power to our regions and nations and we should settle for nothing less than that. We have got to start talking to people's hearts and speaking in a message and a language that people can hear and receive because that is what Boris Johnson does, make Brexit happen. We have got to be really careful when we think that we can have an intellectual argument when they're talking about bells not NHS waiting times. This is a fight of our lives and we're not even in the terrain. We have got to do something different and something bold and Boris Johnson would be terrified to face me. Well look the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn in that election we've just had were terrible and they came back at us on the gall. They vilified him and they knew what they were doing and they knew why they were doing it and they do it to every Labour leader and they know why they're doing it. Now we've just lost the election so we better prepare for the next one and it's going to happen again and it needs to change. We need to cut through that. This city has been wounded by the media. The sun in this city are hurt for this city and I certainly won't be getting any interviews to the sun during the course of this campaign. So Jess Phillips campaign imploding was the most entertaining part of that event but in retrospect it was Keir Starmer's pitch to the left that proved most consequential. There he was saying the reason Jeremy Corbyn had a low standing among the public was because of attacks from the press. It's the opposite. The kind of thing he says now that he has already won an election among Labour's members. Let's now take a look back at a conversation I had with Sienna Rogers of Labour List and Andrew Fisher, an ex-Corbyn advisor. You can judge for yourself whether our analyses stood the test of time. I kind of want to talk about what Keir Starmer's weaknesses might be just in the sense of I mean this this links into it though in the sense of does anyone have a chance of beating him even though he's far away the front one and I think I suppose one reason why I think the Brexit thing isn't going to bring him down is one that the policy he was promoting was popular within the party but two he was never a wrecker. He was never perceived as a wrecker so he when talking about Brexit on television or whatever he tended to seem like he was trying to justify what was the party position which was quite different to even Emily Fornbury at times. So Emily Fornbury went I remember it was around conference time she was on Robert Peston sort of saying oh I don't really like the party policy obviously. She put out that letter as well that was clearly kind of with an eye on the leadership context that sort of thing. But it fails doesn't it because people don't like people who are disloyal to the Labour Party. Yeah I mean that is the sort of most forward thinking thing that Keir Starmer did is basically keep quiet keep his head down and it pissed off a lot of people on the right of the party but it was clearly the right strategy and some people close to him were you know defending him being like no no no there's a reason that he's keeping quiet about all of this stuff you know. So do you think it was a calculated. Oh completely everything about kids trajectory is calculated I think. For the past three four years. Decades. Decades oh wow so you think the whole thing has been leading to him. I think so. How obviously everyone is now having a debate about how left or right wing he is. Where do you stand on this. He's not left wing no. You don't think he's a tall left wing. No no I don't. So I think I find it genuinely unbelievable a huge failing of the Labour left and just everything that people are actually swearing this narrative of oh he really wants to be more left wing secretly but you know he's being held back because he's trying to build this broad coalition or whatever I think that's absolutely laughable. You only need to look at what he's like in his own constituency Labour Party to know that he's you know he's on the right of the party. Which is gone can you talk about how he's in that. Just in the homings of pancreas you know how an MP behaves in terms of there's you know deep factionalism in like the Camden CLPs and you know when they turn up for a vote and they vote a certain way and you know the kind of he doesn't he actually keeps out of a lot of the fights but they the right know in that CLP that when they need a vote they will rely on Keir and his wife's come in and and sort of quietly vote for them and I heard even for a by-election on a chair of a local branch so even on sort of like minor moments what faction if he was being honest what faction do you think he'd be in in the Labour Party. I don't know. Progress, Labour First, Open Labour, Momentum. You know actually I don't think he belongs to any of them. It's even a bit unfair to say he's with the right of the party I just think that that's the way he's behaved. I think he is apolitical. I think he lacks politics and that's the reason that members should be a bit wary. Oh you should run the you should run all the other all the other campaigns that was a good job on Keir Starmer. Oh shit they hate me already. I'll bitch about the other ones as well. What what do you make of Keir Starmer and if you were I suppose if you were campaigning against him if you were trying to catch up with the front runner what would you pick on him. So just to pick up on that because I think I mean I I don't know I haven't been involved in this CLP I've worked with him you know when he's been on the front bench obviously when we did the talks with May's government at the time we worked very closely on that you know so he's very competent he's very professional all the things that come across anyway and he's fairly I think he has been fairly decent since 2016 obviously that 10-year plan was a bit of a blip the Owen Smith thing he probably regrets that part but he probably would admit that himself I suspect now but you know I think he is fairly decent I think he probably does go with the kind of consensus of where the balance of power is in his CLP most MPs do in frankness you know very few who don't in my experience having been across a few I think the questions that though that members will want to pin him down on as this debate goes on is okay do you still support this but you mean they're going to find a few wedge policies whether it's on social security or immigration or you know are you going to be passionate about this stuff or are you just going to kind of go because and how he responds to it not just what he says but what his policies are you know I think as well you know who's going to be your shadow chancellor because that tells you something about what the economic policy is going to be who's going to be your shadow home secretary because that tells you about how you're going to deal with an issue around immigration. We're going to be Yvette Cooper and Hilary Ben or something. Well that will tell members something if it is that because if it were that but the I suppose the problem is and this is why if you are you know in one of the the other campaigns or especially Rebecca Longbelli's campaign because she's trying to prove that she is the left vote and that he's not right or she should be if she's not because that's the way to win is is that he will you have quite a lot of executive power once you're elected to the position and there's not that much pressure for you to say of course you're going to say well I'm never going to throw immigrants under the bus and of course you're going to say I do want to nationalize the major utilities and of course you're going to say I'll never you know scapegoat benefit cheats and I I'd bet a fair amount of money that Kirsten was not going to commit to who is shadow chancellor it's going to be before the polling day because one he'd say no no one's ever done this in the contest before it would be inappropriate to do so and he has no interest in doing so because either he commits to a left-winger who might you know who he thinks will be damaging in a general election or he commits to a right-winger which is going to cost him cost him votes so so it's but if you need to find something on them basically to undermine their claim to be left-wing which is why I suppose really early on in the Jeremy Corbyn campaign in 2016 they pinned on Owen Smith that he had been a lobbyist for Pfizer and that was like this guy suddenly has no credibility also he he was just a terrible candidate so he talked about a long penis and stuff like that and it was all just very bizarre like zero Kirsten was a much more polished don't like zero I'm okay with one hour and he beat off a hundred men to get his wife which is an interesting formulation I remember that member thinking it's kind of had this kind of Napoleon complex I'm not normally personal about people but Owen Smith you know I think the other thing about Kier as well I do think like a lot of people think they're like everyone was saying it before this contest started labor needs a woman leader and that you know especially when the field narrows and it's down to kind of like two women and a man probably I don't know I don't know how strong that feeling is within the party genuinely because in theory I think it was strong I think in practice people a lot of people have kind of gone actually Kier's the best candidate a lot of people have done that evidence by the polling even you know the labelist which shows him in a very strong position and the CLP nominations as well so far so I think there will be a bit of backlash on that so some of the transfers may go that way as well it might be actually I think it needs to be a woman but I don't know maybe maybe that won't I mean they're not going to find that out during the race so because that's the one thing they do because in early polling the one thing everyone knows however much they know about labor politics is that one of the dudes one of the guys one of the people is a man and the other four are women so it's not that's not something they're going to learn throughout the campaign is it no it's not something they're going to learn throughout the campaign but I think it what will change is the clearly as candidates are knocked out and Kier's obviously not going to get knocked out he's on the ballot you know as some of the women candidates are probably going to get knocked out before the next stage where do their votes go where does their support go and obviously if they're only on one percent that doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference but yeah it'll be interesting to see where that sort of thing goes and if that becomes more of an issue I think unfortunately Labour members don't give a shit I actually think the party is not very feminist at all and that goes to the membership and the plp and everyone and I think like candidates for instance never talk about feminism which I hate I mean it's never it's hardly ever talked about apart from in really superficial ways like oh we quite like equal pay it's like I can say something more radical than that like Kate Osmore is the only one who was actually putting it into like a policy framework saying I want a feminist view of international development and I'm and like talking about the patriarchy she actually said that in terms of policy making which was completely new and it's it never happens so I just don't think people like members are going to care that much about whether candidates female or not but I think there is like huge opportunities for people to be care on by highlighting issues like I think Rebecca Long Bailey once she gets the unite nomination under her belt she can talk about open selections and she can talk about you know yeah yeah actually I completely support open selections and that's one way that I'll democratize the party and that's one thing he won't commit to is not you know he's not going to commit to that he can't do that with his support base he just can't go there he'll say something like well actually we asked him about it a labour list interview and he said oh quite like the principle or something you know very non-committal but that kind of thing but also I mean on the public ownership of key industries he has every single time he's asked about it he says yeah rail public ownership yeah I really like that one and and then he's completely silent on the other ones and when you push him you know he doesn't say anything and he clearly is not really in favour of like mail and water for instance so I think those things are going to come out more in the in the hustings