 found in their sample of in-cells a formal diagnosis rate of 18%, but they went further compared rates of informal or self-diagnosis in their sample reporting a rate of 74% of in-cells compared to just 5% in the normal US population. First this tragedy correctly points out all of the things I've mentioned as risk factors for falling into the madness for your poor social efficacy, extensive engagement in online communities and internet consumption, higher risks for childhood trauma and abuse. All of these things are things that people on the autism spectrum are more likely to experience, and again this is something I knew, was afraid to get into. And the reason I was afraid should be pretty obvious, I didn't like the ramifications of implying that being autistic made you more prone to falling into the madness. Some circles, especially like related to bodybuilding, might be considered under this label, but I do think this is why I mentioned like about the more toxic aspect to it, because I don't think it's all the same, but there is a significant proportion of creators who do put out some pretty deplorable stuff. And it's hard because you have to remember that these are the same people with anime avatars in the comments section or on Twitter being the absolute worst to everyone else. Like I am not losing- Do they have anime avatars? Is that what they like? Have you or a loved one had the unfortunate experience of being touched by the manosphere, the side of YouTube which is particularly associated with a lot of misogynistic takes about women alongside all sorts of different conservative-like agendas? Well today we're going to be diving into why autistic men may be more likely to become enthralled within the manosphere. I do want to point out here that there are different sections of this part of the internet and I have seen some things from people who are trying to make more self-improvement related content for men, but today we're going to be focusing specifically on the more toxic kind of side of the manosphere, which tends to be a lot of podcasts. I don't know if you've heard podcasts like the Whatever podcast. There was, I think there's another one I can't remember exactly. Like the Fit and Fresh podcast or something. Those podcasts seem to be churning out like an ungodly amount of short form interviews that just slip into my YouTube recommendations now and again. It's not the best stuff. Seems to be pretty harmful and not good. But I have been thinking about for a while the types of individuals who may gravitate towards this type of content. And I know that for autistic people we can sometimes be quite lonely and struggle a little bit when it comes to dating and relationships. It would make sense that a proportion of autistic men may sort of fall into this side of the internet. Let us go for it. Oh yeah. And this is from FD Signifier. In cells make the world go around. As I said earlier, my manager video series is something that I'm greatly known for and really proud of. But there is one glaring analytical flaw, a flaw that I knew was there, but I didn't want to address because I didn't know if I could address it appropriately. And that flaw was that I did not touch on the difficult to engage with relationship between these toxic communities and the population, specifically the fact that a lot of this population is disproportionately neurodivergent. I knew going in from my own research that there was a clear relationship between the hemisphere and autism spectrum disorder. But I didn't know how or where to fit that in. And I didn't feel like I'd be able to talk about it properly and that I might end up doing far more harm than good in the process. So I left it out. Well, I think it's fairly reasonable. I think for anyone who makes kind of content outside of the neurodivergent kind of disability spheres to be a bit more tentative around topics like that. I mean, I feel like I don't necessarily have those chains on me. You know, I'm kind of speaking as as an autistic man. So I feel like I'm probably one of the people who would be able to, I guess, give a give a good kind of insight into this without sort of fear of I think I think anyone from like any other sort of social group, especially if they don't know much about and that they don't know much about the culture within the circles or about the actual sort of disability or neurodivergency in this case, that people are going to be like a little bit tentative around it. I mean, my first sort of question that came into my mind when I was like thinking about this topic. So I've been I've been having it in the works for a while. I'm going to be producing a video at some point, which is going to speak on this topic. But it does seem that, you know, things like if you guys have seen it before, like pick up artists communities before giving sort of very methodical kind of step by step approaches to like picking up women. I feel like a lot of that stuff, a lot of that side of the internet was consumed by it by a lot of like neurodivergent men because we do tend to struggle to know what to do. It's not like the flirting kind of relationship stuff is not necessarily doesn't necessarily come to us as naturally as most people be wanting to seek kind of a more certain framework as to date, I suppose. The problem is that most of us are naturally trusting or easily influenced. I think probably this like sphere of content probably, you know, because I can imagine that if you haven't had much intimacy or you've had a lot of difficulties when it comes to socializing and finding a friend group that, you know, you're going to harbor quite a bit of resentment. And, you know, I definitely harbored a fair bit of resentment because of my experiences with neuro-typical individuals in my childhood that I've kind of processed and kind of got over and moved on from. But I imagine that there'll be a significant portion of people particularly growing up like around this age, maybe teenagers who may be sort of ripped into this kind of thing in order to kind of give them a sense of community maybe or like validate their feelings of resentment. Just don't get the point about lying about anything at all, but people hate the truth. For geese there's most of my sleep problems. Oh, you've got sleep issues. Sorry to hear that. There's a few that are shameful, but also some honestly regret sometimes the shame makes them unless you try to change. So being outspoken is what really saves them in cell versus migtail. I don't add, you know, like I don't particularly like that phrase because I think it like carries some more like social punch to it other than just not being able to have intimacy with people. There's kind of this like characterization of these individuals. I think one of the definitely like the main reason why I do want to talk on this issue more is because I do feel like it can be quite harmful both for the men who kind of get ripped into this and also the people around those men because they can sometimes have a very I would say in my personal opinion very sort of toxic kind of worldview, particularly towards women. But let's without me rambling on too much, let's let's have a look and see what FD has to say. After that video went viral, I got a response video from creator named first as tragedy. He kind of took me to task on this glaring old mission from my video. That made us your poll. It wasn't necessarily my audience and then from here on out, I was like to get that same poll to get that same content creation. I can't do my normal ableism disability analysis. My real niche like I do like a video on like speech disorders and kind of ableism with speech disorders. I can't, you know, that's not going to pull, you know, the same minisphere crowd. For me, Athena speaks an issue in the broader political left of how disability is approached. And then I get big on a minisphere video. But I don't think people came there for the disability angle. They came there for the minisphere stuff. First, this tragedy correctly points out all of the things I mentioned as risk factors for falling into the minisphere, poor social efficacy, extensive engagement in online communities and internet consumption, higher risks for childhood trauma and abuse. All of these things are things that people on the autism spectrum are more likely to experience. And again, this is something I knew was afraid to get into. And the reason I was afraid should be pretty obvious. I didn't like the ramifications of implying that being autistic made you more prone to falling into the minisphere. No, I don't understand why that would be a bad, I suppose it could be a bad thing. I think it's more related to like the crossover of factors more than anything. You know, I don't think it's necessarily saying, okay, being autistic makes you more likely to be into this kind of like hateful type of content. I just think that there are some particular sort of life factors that I think probably more autistic men might experience, which could lead them to sort of consume this content more regularly. Like I say, sometimes it takes a great villain to create a great hero. Interesting. Above average games says I fell into the minisphere, peach skate, magarism and even peaked into the all right circles before becoming aware of my autism. I'd like to hear more about your experiences if you feel comfortable, because I can understand the appeal of it. It's like the whole thing with like that very abrasive character like Andrew Tate who came along. I can understand that like disaffected young men would probably be more likely to follow these because they kind of embody this sense of like traditional masculinity that is pretty much like dominated society for the longest time. You know, some people might be wanting to return to that I guess in the inner heads. I don't know. Hopefully I became aware. I made free learning those concepts a hyper fixation and I'll advocate for all minorities as really social blind to the hateful side of what I was listening to. Yeah, well, I appreciate you opening up about that. I mean, I think I think I have watched, you know, when they started mentioning because I was watching this just as part of like, I was always editing a video and I had something about autism. I was like, oh, hey. But I think like at some point during the like the first part of the video, like they were talking about how in the survey, there was like free groups. There was like some people who come for the because it is a very wired, like community from my understanding. Like there's more of like the self improvement stuff. There's like, there's like the whole looks maxing, like the looks maxing, dating aspect of it. Obviously, like different content creators are going to be different within a certain community. But yeah, some of the stuff is not not the best, I would say. And yeah, you know, why is it that learning about your being autistic kind of brought you out of that above average? They're not sure what a man is allowed to be. So happy people have been saying hello, Antonio, or prepared ahead. Yeah, well, you know, I think there's a lot kind of going on in society at the moment. And you know, I think there was like this graph that I saw of individuals, like the sort of the differentiation between conservative and sort of liberal liberalness amongst men and women from like country to country. I don't want to make this like a political stream or anything. I don't want to talk about that. But there does seem to be quite like a differentiation nowadays, particularly among slight youth, you know, everyone alive today has generational trauma. His day is a trickle down effect. There's a hundred year incubation period. Interesting. Did you have a mustache last time or am I crazy? I didn't. More prone for any particular harmful behavior. And I want to be clear that is still true, despite where some of the data that sends to take us. Autism or any other form of behavioral disorder is not an excuse for a toxic or harmful behavior. It might help better understand it and better figure out ways to address it. But no one should get a pass on the type of harm that people in the hemisphere participate in just because there's a high propensity for certain marginalized neurotypes to follow this ideology. Tons of people are autistic and don't become misogynists. In fact, the vast majority of autistic people do not lean into misogyny as an identity. Further, research tells us that people with behavioral and mental disorders are far more likely to be victims of violence than to commit violence. We also know that the vast majority of violence is committed by neurotypical normal people. So this is talking about mental illness, though. Is this this study based on psychiatric illness talking about particular like autism as well, except from what I've seen it seems to be. It doesn't seem to specify that. But no, he's right. I mean, there's there's no like, I think, I think one of the things that I tried to do the most with my work is to like highlight that every autistic person is different. And of course, like, you're going to have people who are not the best of people amongst the not not necessarily saying that these individuals are like inherently bad people. I think I think a lot of them are just very, very misguided and and searching for knowledge in places that they don't particularly they shouldn't particularly look for knowledge. I do find that like a lot of these these these people online, they just tend to be very like close minded, you know, they they they kind of very hypocritical in a lot of the ways that they think about things as well. You know, I, yeah, it's no, it's not an excuse. But as you said, yeah, it could be an explanation to why it may happen. And I think, you know, hopefully with with time, people will get a bit more awareness of these these kind of spaces and the impacts that they can have. I just wish that that more, I think maybe if more autistic men had role models kind of growing up that they could spy to who do who do fulfill like a role model role, but also don't have these these kind of not the best mentalities towards women and such, you know, he's dumb loud, am I dumb loud or or is fd loud? Let me check. Let's keep that in mind. Also, it's important to recognize how this particular data point serves as an ableist talking point. Use both to shield managed fear content and the people behind it from criticism for what they're actually doing, but also to promote ideas around the need to further control and ostracize autistic people because of their strains, ways and unpredictable and potentially dangerous behavior. These arguments cannot be taken seriously. We cannot hand wave the men spewing violent rhetoric online just to say we need to control the neurodiverse population consuming it instead. This type of ideology infantilizes people on the spectrum, but at the same time absolving the bigger forces from their responsibility in the harm that's being done here. So please recognize that the goal is not to vilify neurodiverse people as uniquely dangerous, but to force us to consider the totality of what's happening here. Disabled and neurodiverse individuals, if something doesn't happen, they're led to desire, neurodivacality or able-bodiedness. And I think that that leads them into issues to where there's this kind of conflict between their own disability and then the desire is placed upon them by all the systems to then lead them into desiring. Well, I mean, what kind of content do these people talk about so much? It's self-improvement, it's being independent, it's getting money, doing well in work, it's having lots of women. This is the kind of stuff that they tend to cover and talk about so much. And if you're like watching people who are like saying, oh, okay, all of this stuff is easy for me and I've built myself and you should want to be like me and real men are like these stoic, emotionless kind of robots. You just all should want the same thing and everybody knows that everybody, like this is the view that we have of people and this is the truth and all of that rubbish. Like, it makes sense. Like, and the issue is that if you are different and you come across stuff like that, which is promising that if you consume the content, you will become more neurotypical. It's just not going to work. It's not realistic and it's also, I would argue, probably not the ideal in this situation to follow that kind of worldview. But the promises that they make, I think, can be somewhat alluring to some people. It's a real thing and yeah, I understand what he's saying. I think if there are these expectations and I know that particularly during my teenage hood, I harbored a lot of resentment towards my own neurodivergence being autistic. I used to hate it. I used to think it was awful. I used to see other people socializing, having frame groups, dating and thinking like, oh my God, I need to get rid of this autism so that I can do what other people are doing and it's definitely not the right way of viewing it, the right way of thinking about it. I think if anything, following this way of looking at the world, doing these things is probably going to lead you down more of a negative path. You're basically in a certain sense just having a little bit of a herd mentality, a bit of a sheep mentality and you're not really making up your own ideas about things. You're following what other men are telling you a man should be, which I don't think is the most masculine thing that you can do. It's about crafting your own ideals. When I say masculine, I think just any strong individual you know, a good human. I think crafting your own ideals, standing by them, protecting people that you love and such, I think those are much better values to try and instill. And the whole stuff around self-improvement, fitness and things of that nature, I think you don't necessarily need to be following stuff from these people in order to get that. I think some circles especially related to bodybuilding might be considered under this label, but I do think this is why I mentioned about the more toxic aspect to it because I don't think it's all the same, but there is a significant proportion of creators who do put out some pretty deplorable stuff. Because I didn't know I was autistic, I hated other people for not liking me. And it's hard, isn't it, not to put the blame on yourself or not to want to change in order for people to like you? And that's a very difficult thing to kind of wrestle with and deal with. 100%. We can't get rid of it, it is us, exactly. How much have I missed? Oh, not much, Kayla. We're just kind of getting into this, this part of the video. Continue. I'm going to open up a free school for people of Utah, British University and the community, dotting to COVID orphans, the teacher who found me from my YouTube. Oh, that's lovely cherries. That's awesome. As says, I've seen men assume that women want a certain kind of man. Not fair to us. No. Well, I think that that's the thing as well. I think there are some individuals out there who do want this kind of stereotypical kind of traditional masculine guy. And I've talked about this before, but you know, it's they're probably not like if they want you not to show emotions and not to be yourself and just kind of be this emotionless robot, someone who you're not and who does, you know, you don't feel comfortable with sharing times with them, where you're not feeling good and receiving support from them emotionally in those ways. They're probably not the right people. Like they're probably not good for you. Honestly, like it's just some that just, just as with these guys who are talking about like these traditional masculine things, I think there are other circles who have similar mentalities towards men to a certain degree. So there is sometimes like that, that, you know, dichotomy, I suppose. But I don't think that if you come across people who just generally like have a negative regard for men that the answer is to have a general disregard for women. Like I think that's a very silly way of going about it, you know, but not true that most women expect this. Exactly. I think there's probably a minority of people, to be honest. Like I did, I master a lot, particularly during my times at university. And that was the time where I was trying to date a lot more. And I did find that me trying to like act more stereotypically masculine, I suppose in a sense, it didn't do do anything for me really. Anytime that I've had any positive dating relationship success, it's always been about being honest and being myself and just not trying to be someone that I wasn't. You know, I think that's the same with autistic masking. Like at some point, if you are getting into a relationship with somebody, they're going to find out who you are. And the best thing to do is to try and put yourself out as you are and wait to find somebody who likes you as you are, because then you've found somebody who is compatible with you, you know. If you're not this extroverted socialite who can just go out and party every day and just, you know, have all these social groups and like you do all your work and then you're out on every weekend doing stuff. And you're not like that. Like you're an introvert. Like it's going to be exhausting if you do that, you know. I think being yourself and showing up as yourself is albeit not always the most optimal for attracting everybody, but you will definitely have a high likelihood of finding someone who is right for you, you know, much higher likelihood. Normativity. And then that leads them into like when you think about man's food content, when it comes to neurodiversity and the autistic community. I specifically think about pickup artistry, which when I was younger, I don't know about today, but when I was younger, that was a very, very prevalent to where it would be recommended by the algorithm. It was mainstream when I was in my 20s. That was when TV was in books. So a lot of times autistic people don't necessarily have access to romance. We get into the whole male loneliness stuff here. I forget the statistics, but like male loneliness is raising and that's always getting the focus, but also female loneliness is also raised as well under statistic for the autistic community. It is a thing of having access to intimacy. It isn't always there. In what avenues are you trying to draw into? That said, there's a lot of emerging research that indicates that the hemisphere, particularly in cells, are more likely to be neurodiverse along with suffering from other major behavioral or mental disorders. They study from 2022 in the genre. I mean, the phrasing there is not ideal, but let's, I, I, I, this guy's not part of the autistic disability community. I don't imagine he's got, but I like the most knowledge about like the social landscape, but I do think that he has good intentions with this. So if you don't like the phrases, just, just remember that. Journal of behavioral sciences on terrorism, political aggression found large disparities for depression, anxiety and autism for in cells and comparison to the prevalence of this in the average male population as reported from the world health organization, which finds the prevalence of autism in less than 1% of the male population. Wow. I think that's, that's changed at some point. I'm not sure. I mean, I've seen some studies here and there. I mean, there are some people in the community who think that it's like as high as like 10%. I don't think it's necessarily like that. I think we're still a portion of people in the world. I think sometimes being a part of autism spaces, we do have more access to over autistic people. So it can sometimes feel like there's more of us. But I don't think it's, I don't think it's as low as that, but I don't think it's a size like 10%, you know, he's generalizing too much. Maybe take it with a grain of salt. Yeah. I don't think JC did that sort of thing. Maybe it's why you turn the tables in the temple. Yes. Females as well. Yeah. Feldy says, just look out for the people that generally appreciate you and not the people who openly despise you and try to try to be the best you can. He's speaking facts there, Feldy. I mean, it's not, it's not the most comforting thing because people want like, what is the strategy? What is the thing that I can work on that will make me like more likely to find the girl of my dreams or the boy of my dreams? People want like fixes, like steps that they can take, like a video game. They can be like, okay, all right, I'm leveling up in my charisma or like, in that sense. But you've got to be careful about what you learn, you know, because it's, you know, you could be down to be changing yourself in a very significant way, which is not real to you and also not beneficial in the long term. Lauren says, not sure if this ties into the man as this specifically, but I bailed out someone who later on thanked me on V-Day by kicking me out on the streets. I was staying with him. Oh dear. That's not good. I'm sorry to hear that, Lauren. Yeah, just be yourself. That's it. Yeah. And I think just be yourself is not like the most comforting thing, especially for like people who just aren't really happy with the fact that they're different, they're autistic. Like they hear something like that and they're like, oh God, like I don't want to hear that. I want to hear how I can change to be better, you know. And I think, you know, that in some certain respects, understanding how neurotypicals communicate and socialize and how to perhaps like grow in terms of like social skills, not related to masking. Social skills are not related to masking that sense. It's not about doing that. But just being aware of stuff and how to communicate with people better, working on your body, treating yourself well, learning, obviously like working in your business. There's a really great stuff, but you don't necessarily need to learn that from these people, the people that this topic is kind of focusing on. Wow, the sample from the study found that it was nearly 20% of their population. This is a near 2,000% increase as reported by this study. But this isn't the only study. Another study from 2022 postulated that the formal diagnosis for autism to the United States adults was 7% and found in their sample of in-cells, a formal diagnosis rate of 18%. But they went further compared rates of informal or self-diagnosis in their sample reported a rate of 74% of in-cells compared to just 5% in the normal U.S. That is pretty significant. So maybe that there were more people than a four, you know. That's quite concerning. It makes sense. It does make sense. Appulation. As of time of writing, these studies are less than two years old and academic research on the topic of the hemisphere in these communities is very, very new and understudied. And if you know anything about academia, you know that it takes a good five, six years for people to get working theories on how certain data presents phenomenon. So feel free if you're seeing this in 2025 or 2026 to say, yeah, he was off based on that because the research is showing otherwise. That's fine. In reality, I kind of doubt that future findings will contradict these early findings because if you consider what we know about autism and other behavioral and mental disorders and how society treats people with those challenges, you can see how the engagement and toxic online spaces is very much a risk factor. Well, yeah, it's mean like you can see it online. You can see it online all the time, like within autism spaces. Some people are just like, they really, really hate people who want autistic, like, and it's understandable because we do have a lot of really bad negative experiences with people who aren't autistic. So, you know, there's a lot of resentment. There's a lot of kind of hate there within it. Makes sense. You know, the advent of the insoles. Peggy says, I just noticed I was 30 behind online stream. Well, welcome to the modern day. Andrew Tate taught me about incense in cells. Weird day. Interesting. Hates us. I don't know. I don't think particularly like, I think anyone, like, are you neurotypical? Yes. I thought you were autistic. Antoni says, when you talk about insoles, they're referring to women haters or just people who happen to be lonely. I think so. I don't, it really depends. I mean, I very much like to focus on what actually like the word means, but I do think that it does come with a lot of like social baggage with it, you know. And another 20 years to be actually correct with their theories, they used to think we were psychos just a couple of decades ago, that's pretty true. I mean, what is it like childhood schizophrenia used to be like a pretty prominent theory in the world of autism, they being the academics? Yeah. Autistic. Yeah. I mean, no, I mean, as in like autistic men who do, who are falling into this category of like being in celibate and also within this like manosphere movement, I think they probably just harbor a lot of resentment from their experiences in life. And they're like seeking to like find a community to like join them in like resentment. And I think that can be for just generally people in society, as you might see with some of the language that they use around like Gen Z, or like very heavily politicized language. But also, yeah, as you said about women, there's a pretty strong sense of misogyny in these communities. I misheard you, I thought you said that neurotypicals hate us. No. Although they do have a tendency of picking us out and causing us difficult situations in life. Not everybody, of course, it's like a very small portion, I would say. Most people are nice. And something that is going to happen more commonly for those individuals. First, this tragedy illustrates in his response video that people with autism are more likely to have difficulty socializing. So we'll spend more time online and we'll have poor educational economic outcomes. And thus, poor romantic options and we'll see the appeal of a guy like Andrew Tate telling you that he can train you to be normal as very desirable. You have to recognize that these creators are purposely targeting vulnerable groups, whether autistic or not, and exploiting their pain and struggle in life to do further harm and exploit them. And when you see the rhetoric used in the Manisphere, the constant hurling of ableist slurs, the coded language around consumers of Manisphere content, it indicates that they know exactly who they're talking to and why they're talking to them that way. Not only what you mentioned, but also that the Manisphere and right political right wing content creation is leading them to a solution that lands them within bounds of morbidity, which is the same lesson that they got from the nuclear family, which oftentimes tried to make them more and more through ABA, applied behavioral analysis. The same lesson they got in special education, the same lesson they got in labor, they're unemployed or underemployed. Now it's reaching out into the social world, the social media world. You're getting it in adulthood. I mean, you can see different iterations of this happening, like the whole hustle culture stuff. There's a lot of expectations on who you should be as an adult and within these circles, who you should be as a man, what you should have, what you should be like. I just learned who Andrutate is. It's not the most, I would say, probably wise individual in the world and perhaps the pretty grating individual at that, being light about it. Paula says, I get being hurt and resentful over rejection, but they need to understand that no one is obligated to have sex with someone they don't want to. No, I agree with you. I don't think that's necessarily the string of thoughts. I think they harbor some emotions towards not having it. I don't necessarily think that this content is saying, oh, you should take it from people. You should be abusive or in that way. Although I have seen some very questionable stuff around relationship and marriage dynamics. Yeah, I think it's from what I've seen. It seems to be a lot about trying to reach a certain ideal that these people have a view of being a man, being a person in the world, a human. If you follow what they do, you're going to get results with women. You're going to be successful in life. It's kind of this whole, you need to be like me. You have to be like this person in order to have what you want. And that's the way that they get the hooks in people. I mean, I'm just theory-crafting, of course. As I said, it's a pretty wide circle like this kind of community. There's a lot of people within it. Yes, black and white thinking makes us vulnerable to political dogma. I mean, I've thought a lot about the aspects of black and white thinking for autistic people. And I know that it's a pretty consistent part of how the research, parenting, social care communities characterize autistic people. But I don't think it's always the most concrete thing. I think it's more of a sense of needing some semblance of certainty. And the difficult thing about social things is that there are so many variables within it that trying to apply a specific way of doing things or a specific solution to doing things is undoubtedly not going to work with most people because it's different circumstances. You're different to the person who's teaching you that, whatever you're being taught. And also the people that you come across are going to be widely different from each other as well. But it's difficult because there's no like, okay, this is the blueprint of what you do in social situations because there are so many factors involved in it. And it feels nice to be able to have a blueprint, a way of viewing things, a way of looking at things, which explains everything. Hit like, everyone. I just remembered, yeah, that would be great. If you have enjoyed it, make sure to like. So this is an interesting topic. It's got me thinking a lot about things. Indeed, indeed. I'm going to have to get going for an appointment to take care of everyone. It's lovely to have you on, Lauren. I hope you'll come by soon. We turned a blind eye to the ones we should have been watching like hawks. Boyd Gordon. Hello. So as I've been trying to get the unrealistic ablest voice out of my own head, it's formed so much of my mask. But I always get to a point where I break, melt down, lose work, mostly these days. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, you know, you got to find something that works for you. And it's not going to be the same as what neuro-typical individuals prescribe to every single person who's watching their stuff. It's not really tailored to neurodivergent different people. The path that we take and the things that are good for us are going to vary quite considerably from most people in a multitude of different ways. Not even taking into account personality differences and genetics and such. There's so much, so many variables there. I guess in my experience, it was a detriment. What do you mean by detriment? The Valentine says it doesn't help that autistic insoles tend to go after people who they aren't simply aren't compatible with. It's worse when there's a level of fixation involved, that burst resentment in them. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you got to find someone who's good for you. You know, I think that's that's a very worthwhile thing to highlight. And I don't know. I mean, people who do tend to have this kind of more traditional mindset to this stuff, they just, you know, in my in my experience, I like people who are different people who are, you know, sort of have like critical judgment like they talk all the time about these like tread women. Don't know if you guys have heard of that whereby it's basically like the traditionally kind of feminine side of it. And like I can understand that some people might find that attractive and great and good and and those people find the traditionally masculine men and that's that's all cool in the hood. But like to apply everything to every single individual in this world is a very silly thing to do because people are just so different. You know, people have different ideals, what they want from relationships, what they want from life, you know, it's not as easy as having one rubric that everybody has to apply themselves to. It's not hard to be hateful towards others when you already hate yourself. It's hard not to hate yourself when you can't find friends. Yeah. And that there are a lot of, I think I don't want to undermine the issues that people who, you know, are trying to go to these people for, because I think for a lot of them, they can feel like it's the only place that they can go to. But I just want to highlight to anybody who's watching, like it's not. There are a lot of other people out there who, you know, I would say are pretty, pretty great role models for both men and other people. I think people need to be themselves and go off a template. Yeah, you got to find out what you want as well. Tell other people tell you what you want, you know, or what you should be like. Like, be yourself, you know, have your own values, you know, do life in your own way. I think that's a better way of being like a strong, well-rounded, well-rounded, unique individual. You don't need to apply yourself to these ideals that other men are telling you you need to reach. And, you know, these overall cultural apparatus, so though I think another appeal of this kind of a man's fear thing is this idea of finally achieving the desire of, of achieving normativity in a sort of Lacanian sense, making dad happy, making the teacher happy, making your literal, you know, parents happy by finally achieving that normativity. The man's fear offers the promise of better performance of masculinity, which to boys on the spectrum is the promise of being normal. But conversely, these boys are put in a negative feedback loop and really hooked on their own brain chemistry to an extent. And this cycle of hope and then anger and then rage and then shame and then maybe back to hope and then be ready for how their difficulties make it impossible for them to do better. And then maybe even encouraged to ostracize and target others within or outside of their groups as low cows worthy of targeting and derision if not just to take the eat off of themselves. The whole thing is as depressingly awful as anything I've talked about on this channel. And it's hard because you have to remember that these are the same people with anime avatars in the comment section or on Twitter being the absolute worst to everyone else. Like I am not losing. Do they have anime avatars? Is that what they're like? I mean, I've never, I have not been exposed to the likes of Twitter or X at this point. Low cows, low cows being individuals who the internet make fun of because of their unique eccentric or like Quakey personality, like people troll them and stuff. We did we did a video about like Chris Chan recently, who's I can't remember what their preferred name is, but there is their sort of low cow them as you could explain. They're autistic as well. But yeah, it's it's kind of weird this this way. Like these these videos, these these people, they'll they'll put out stuff which is they basically like insult people who are not like this ideal pretty regularly and then like use that like that feeling of shame that they instill in people to get them to adopt a certain ideal. You know, this is exactly where I left the old riot. I didn't want to be the full guy when action started. Oh, I think there's a lot of reasons to not be part of the alright. I mean, if people are wondering like what my own because I don't particularly like want to make this channel all about like politics and stuff. But I think it's worthwhile me being open about it. I'm not particularly aside. I don't particularly assign myself to any particular political movement to be honest myself. I'm what you might consider to be like a moderate, I suppose. I'm only a moderate because I just tend not to I tend to kind of understand concepts and make my own mind about things. I just, you know, things, different concepts, different political stances, they just tend to vary quite a bit for me, just because I'm kind of a bit more of like an independent one. I wouldn't say that most people are not independent thinkers because they're not moderate. But I do find that I definitely don't touch the sides of like the radical aspects of either side, you know, I like to be to be as yeah, as open minded, kind of willing to change my mind on things. And I feel like assigning myself to a particular political aspect does more to stop myself from being able to hear out things and make my own decisions on things. That's just my experience. But the anime, the anime profile picture is very true. Discord will answer if it's not true. So many autistic individuals who are toxic with anime characters. Interesting. I did not know about that. I mean, I like anime, but you know, also realize that prior to knowing I was accepted afterwards, that would all be thrown out and now politically disenfranchised. I just want human rights for autistics. I think that's a good good way of going about it. I like your profile name, by the way. It's cool. Ferdinand says, Hi, I draw my own anime avatars. Well, I don't want to lump you into this, this this group of people. I don't think what he's saying is that everybody who has an anime avatar is a misogynistic pig. I don't think that's his prescription. I did not know about that, though. That's that's that's an interesting trend. Very, very strange in track of that paradox. It's a delicate balance between trying to emphasize with the types of people who find themselves in the hemisphere, but also recognizing that community, connection, affection, these are genuine human needs that we often underplay. How bad it is to not have them and how many of us may not be any better in a different circumstance. There's not having those things excuse the behavior from these folks. Of course not. But engaging with that part of the discourse should make us think more critically about how we respond to this phenomenon or how quickly we are to engage with locale activity for some of these guys. Really? It's weird. It's the whole thing about like I do I do sort of agree with that. I think, you know, whenever there is a particular group who is acting up and being hateful, it's it's kind of easy for a lot for a lot of people. And even myself, it's at some points to be to sort of counter counter that with an equal level of like anger or like annoyance or, you know, memeing, I suppose, around certain community groups of people. I get that. I do think that, you know, you can still you can hold the belief that these people need help and want them to get help and show genuine empathy and compassion and also find them find their actions and find their stuff to be pretty unfavorable, bit deplorable in some circumstances. You know, because I do generally want the best for people. And I wish people didn't want to or feel the need to be so abrasive with other humans. But it's not really a world that we're living in, especially like in the age of social media. Exceptance is always a once need and deserve. Sorry, my iPad keeps dinging if I can stop that from happening. There we go. Never understood anime fixation. Oh, I was I was totally fixated on anime as a kid. 100%. Anime is great. I like it. I love psychological thrill from the 90s. Boogie Pops, Phantom, Seer X-Pro, Ego, Proxy, Evangelion. Even Galleon's a weird one. That's for sure. It's very psychedelic. Kind of feels like looking back, I was crying, like, in a cell, like, category. I never went into it. Like, I watched, like, ATSU 2 and just never kind of went down that road. Okay, I promise this is not a in self-help moment. But I mean, I think there's a real thing here. Oh, the need for intimacy and need for this cool, close and physical touch. For me, like, being incredibly, like, 100%, 110% vulnerable, like, no, yeah, like, the fact that I've never been, you know, like, held or never been physically in front of a woman, like, that sucks. I think there is a thing of, like, wanting that physical intimacy and this touch, really to get around to touch deprivation is the emotional, mental effects of not having access to physical intimacy, access to it is kind of something that very much impacts my kind of self-esteem, impacts the way I view myself. I mean, because I've been like, delivered recently to, like, where, like, you know, I've been in a romantic relationship for 24 years of age, like, at some point, because I look at yourself and like, shit, what's wrong with me? You know, I'm not like, so it is like, you know, like, you sort of feel like, oh, shit, am I in a love of war or something? So, like, again, it starts to kind of order. Yeah, I mean, you start to, I mean, you can either go one or two paths and that's it. I mean, in three paths, I would say, you can either accept it and try to grow as a person, develop as a person in the ways that'll perhaps make you, you know, get to a point where you can have that. You can turn around and say, other people are the problem, and like, hate on them, which is like the whole kind of, what is it like, people call it like the red pill rage, the misogynistic kind of, you know, hatred for women. Some people do that. And other people just get really, really depressed and they become isolated and they just never, never, never sort of grow in the ways that'd be good for them, you know. When people are looking for acceptance, they go to the darkest place where all the, some of their out here's to little nothing can grow to many. The best of us is washed away. It's very poetic for you. Thank you very much and determine origin, David. Much appreciated. Okay, Ben Lake, can we ask what video he's watching at the moment? Mick, we are watching a video called Incells Make the World Go Around by F.D. Signifier. It's a particular segment which is talking about how autistic men are more likely to fall into the manosphere content, the sort of more misogynistic kind of toxic sides of it. The hatred from low self-esteem I've experienced, yeah. Well, this is the thing. I think it's understandable, but I think the way that they go about dealing with it is not good. Like, it's definitely not a good way of dealing with it and getting through it. But these people are telling them that this is an okay way to get through it and way to view things. And this is the way that you need to grow in these ways. And if you don't do it this way, you are not a real man and you'll never amount to this sense of neuronormativity, being a normal human being who can have relationships and things of that nature. I think it's balls. Obviously, everyone's different, of course. I'm not one to struggle when it comes to dating. I have been one to struggle when it comes to dating for a large portion of my life. But that was never because I wasn't reaching this ideal of being a man. It was because I didn't learn to communicate effectively with people until my early 20s. I didn't learn to understand the emotional world of myself and others more acutely until my early 20s. Those were the things which helped me do a lot better when it came to relationships and dating. Never this stuff. This stuff never would work for me. Whenever I've tried to mask and become this kind of individual that we're talking about, it's just never been good for me. It's never really held any positive results in my life. It's just more or less just made me feel like resentful that it's not working. What is wrong with me? Why can't I be like there's highly achieving individuals out there? I get it. It's a powerful thing to feed on to deliver content in this way. Again, it is not the way to go about it. It's not the only way to go about it. It's probably not even the most effective way of going about it. That's why I felt bad. I got men who treated me badly. I'm sorry to hear that. Always keep in mind, hurt people hurt people. It's true. Again, you can still have compassion as well as not liking, not encouraging, not being okay with the type of behaviors that people have. I think you can hold those two things together. I don't think there's any sense of cognitive distance there. I've known people who aren't particularly nice, aren't particularly good people, and you are right. They tend to be pretty damaged individuals who got hurt. I get that. At some point, you've got to have a line, especially when it comes to your own personal life, your own personal safety, how other people treat you and your boundaries. You've got to put yourself first in those circumstances, but showing compassion and wanting to help people, even if they are in these very dark places, doing these very harmful, spelling these very harmful rhetorics that you should be, well, I mean, I am open to helping people like that, and I would want them to change, because I think a lot of people who get ripped up in this, I think they're on a bad path, and they need help, but it does not mean that I am seeing this as acceptable. It's not a good way of going about things at all, and that's putting it lightly. It's very true, Cherries. If I was a fair episode, I would work with these men. I think that's a very worthwhile thing. I think there are some people out on the internet who would say bulls to them, who cares about them, the horrible human beings. We shouldn't care about them because of their actions. I can understand why that might be an attractive sentiment. It makes sense. It makes things a lot more simple, but I don't know. I feel like there is a problem for a lot of particularly autistic people, but in the context of this video, autistic men, a few fall into this kind of thing. I get why you don't agree with that. What do you agree with? Not everyone is capable to self-reflect. I think everyone is capable. I think just not a lot of people want to. You just want them to feel better. No, I'm just going to highlight this again, by no means, saying that this is okay, and that we should all be lovey-dovey and not sort of place boundaries and criticize people for having this mentality. 100% not. I think we definitely should. But I think being open to help individuals sort of get out of these spaces, I think is a worthwhile thing. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard balance. Because you've got to put yourself first, and you've got to put other people who are affected by their negative actions first. I don't think it's incelich because there's no real... No, that's the violence. But there's a real, I think, human need for intimacy. And one, autistic people don't have access to that. And if the reaction to the expression of I don't have access to physical intimacy or romantic relationships, this fuck what sucks, is, but often so, we're really doing a bad job here. I think a lot of the people who are gravitating towards this toxic, misogynistic, hate-filled ideology are doing so in part because the building blocks of being disenfranchised are there to begin with. And a lot of times we're not even bothering to address that. And some of the people are technically in incel, but they're not buying into incel ideology yet. Part of what I'm getting at is being sexless is terrible. Like, I feel like there's this, like, back and forth where we're like, oh, well, it's not that bad or, like, we try and moralize it. And I know we've gone back and forth, but my stance is, that is an essential part of a happy human life. If you want it, like, obviously, there's people who are, hey, romantic, asexual, et cetera, but with it, but outside of that context, getting to have the kinds of relationships that you want in your life is part of being a thriving human being. Full stop. But I'm still not done because we still have to return to what makes it possible for these hemisphere figures to do this gross grift upon this population. And that lays at the feet of YouTube and other big tech companies for radicalizing young men. However, emerging research indicates that people aren't really radicalized by extremist content they counter online. What seems to be more accurate is that people tend to have a preset ideological disposition and a limit, and will seek out content that reinforces those preset values. So more extreme content mostly just serves as a beacon for more extreme individuals to collect together and deepen their level of radicalization. Our results show that a community of users who predominantly consume content produced by far right channels does exist. And while larger than the corresponding far left community, it is small compared with centrist, left-leaning, or right-leaning communities, and is not increasing in size over the time period of our study. Moreover, we find that on-platform consumption of far right content correlates highly with off-platform consumption of similar content that users are roughly twice as likely to arrive at a far right video from some source other than a previous YouTube video, search an external website, the homepage, and that far right videos are no more likely to be viewed towards the end of sessions or in longer sessions. While none of this evidence can rule out the recommendation system as a cause of traffic to far right content, it is more consistent with users simply having a preference for the content they consume. Facebook can both track what you're doing on-platform, but they can also kind of get a sense of like, well, you know, where do you spend your money? What other types of social media platforms do you like to go on? What other types of websites do you enjoy? What kind of other content do you like? What age demographic do we think that you are? Even if, you know, on Facebook, you're not looking at Manusphere content or something like that, it may end up being recommended to you based on what you do on other parts of the internet. And so I think that that contributes to these things more than people realize. It also influences, you know, recommendation systems and the kind of content that, you know, you are preferentially shown by different platforms, which can also certainly contribute to the, not necessarily the development of these bubbles, but feeding people into it more efficiently. Because the content that you engage with on a day-to-day level on, say, Reddit, which does a lot more recommended content these days now, may not be political or Manusphere or whatever, but you might do that on other platforms. And so now Reddit is starting to recommend that you go in that direction because they have this much more comprehensive picture of how you engage online than you realize at the time. Individuals with more extreme beliefs find that community and connect to it. And the social support they find online catalyzes them to adopt even more extreme views. But it's not taking, you know, normal run-of-the-mill-centered people and turning them into ultra-right-wing people. And some people aren't going to like to hear this. A lot of these people were shitty before they found Andrew Tate. They were looking for content that reinforces and celebrates their shitty views and behavior. And those who were more moderate might dabble in that shitty content, but typically won't dive deeper into said content. Now there's an argument to be made at where the lines are drawn between extreme content and normal content, because from what I can glean from the way the social media companies function, most of what we consider the hemisphere is normal to them. But this still draws into questioning a few things. For one, it kind of undermines the whole idea of there being a battle for the future of boys happening here on YouTube and across social media. I think that the nature of being an influencer or a content creator often inflates our audience's image of how powerful and important many of us are. Even your most popular YouTubers are a drop in the bucket in terms of real global influence or specifically political and influence upon structures of power. A while back, Sneeko, who I mentioned earlier, had this embarrassing viral moment where he ran into some of his average fans and they reflected to him the exact type of energy that he had been given off in this content. I could imagine that. Oh god, you gotta love Sneeko, eh? Define shitty. Yeah. Oh god, they're talking too fast and losing me hard to follow, going here bearing my head a bunch of ways. So essentially people want to belong. Yeah, I think that's a thing. But I do think that if you are a part of spaces like that, I suppose that kind of attitude, those type of things that are said, those type of values are somewhat normalized to a certain degree. So it doesn't feel as radical, I suppose, if you are constantly surrounded by people who share the same thing. Yeah, I can understand. That's the whole echo chamber stuff, isn't it? I never switch on ad trackers, so I was pushing in similar stuff. Hello, Jordin, nice to see you. Hope you're doing well, thank you very much. I have so much respect for FD. FD is a very good content creator. I've learned a lot, but from them actually. Very sort of in-depth videos, good to listen to. Much to his embarrass. After the fact, Sneeko got a lot of criticism for this and he defended himself by essentially pointing out the truth that little boys like this have always existed and their behavior isn't his fault. Initially, people wanted to reject this, but after think about it for a moment, he's right. So ugly truth, but it's the truth. This doesn't absolve him for his behavior and contribution to the problem. But the lesson to get here is these boys shouldn't have been watching Sneeko in the first place. Here's a phrase that I never thought I'd say where the fuck were their parents at? Why are these parents allowing 10, 11 year old boys to watch Sneeko? Sneeko. The reason for that is the way boys are socialized and I often say groomed into misogynistic and shitty behavior that starts locally. The fact that so many people still think boys will be boys is a like solid plan for raising your children. So when those boys make it online, the type of environment and energy and ideology that has been taught to them at home manifests well before they get on YouTube. YouTube just recommends them exactly what they were already going to find in the first place. So this is basically making or making the point that it's not particularly that this content has shaped individuals. Don't listen to the chat bot there, don't watch. Like you're saying that it's not necessarily that people are shaped by this, but they already have pre-existing values or motives or ideals which align with the content in the first place. I think that perhaps that might be true for some people maybe. I wouldn't say that it, I don't know, I think maybe they might, because the thing is like even talking about stuff related to like fitness content, like bodybuilding sort of aspects, I think you know, I think I saw someone within the fitness community talking about how just being involved in or consuming content from like the fitness aspects can sometimes like get you recommended more sort of, I guess, manosphere related content like that just because of like the crossovers. So I don't necessarily think that it's always like that. I think and also as well, I think there's a difference between sort of blindly following that stuff and watching it and sort of being critical like I think a lot of people do, but I would argue that there are people out there, particularly children who may see this stuff, not necessarily believing it, but just kind of watch YouTube and get recommended and then see this and have that sort of mold them in some way. I could see that why that would happen, you know, do you not think? Screen raised and minimal parental attention. It's the whole iPad's kid thing, isn't it? So instead of looking at it as if Andrew Tate is corrupting America's youth, we have to face the fact that so much of our modern culture is already corrupting America's youth and as a byproduct of this, they find Andrew Tate. If the online and offline domains are ontologically inseparable, then online radicalization becomes a redundant concept. As Gilling colleagues argue, we should not fixate on a simple location of radicalization, but instead need to understand the drives, needs and forms of behavior that led to the radicalization and attack planning and why offenders chose that environment rather than purely looking at the affordances that the environment produced. The frame of a binary dichotomy tends to result in the internet being given radicalizing agency, which overlooks other important factors such as vulnerabilities, stressors or how online and offline factors combine. Manisphere has a disproportionate amount of autistic boys and men who follow it. The Manisphere clearly targets and captures these boys and the neurotypical boys who are less developed in their understanding of masculinity and exploits their insecurities. Capturing them in a negative feedback loop, social media websites are not doing enough to address this or protect people from the behavior that happens in these spaces. But we have to also be clear that the core problem here is the way these boys are being raised apart from their online environment. What we're seeing right now with the Manisphere is just another example of social dysfunction which is emblematic of how boys are required to be socialized in a society designed for most people to fail. Where the fear of not being on top isn't just a matter of ego and accolades or impressing all the girls, but literal life and death. In her book The Bully Society, sociologist Jesse Klein has a chapter discussing the socioeconomic underpinnings of school shootings and explicitly ties it to the difficulties of performing normative masculinity under capitalism. The school shooters for the most part grew up in the 1980s or later. The rise in school shootings roughly coincides with the Reagan administration's restructuring of the American economic, political and cultural landscape. A period that glorified unrestrained capitalism and re-emphasized an up by your bootstraps ethos. Reagan promised an America rich with freedom, individualism and financial reward for those who skillfully met the standard coupled with a lower degree of support for those who did not. Increasingly, success was defined in terms of power, economic attainment and social status. The same barometers increasingly used at the high school level to assess masculinity. Later in this same... Interesting. I think maybe he's underestimating just how much the internet can impact people because a lot of people these days spend a lot of time online and I am probably one of those people. It does a lot to, especially like platforms like YouTube, or particularly in the context of this video, political base streamers. I can imagine that a lot of people derive a lot of their own personal understanding and self-development from ideals and content that's out there. But I can definitely understand... I mean, I never experienced anything akin to this. I did get bullied, but I was never... I suppose maybe the UK is a little bit different to the US, but I never had that sense, I guess. I think my dad was always encouraging me to sort of meath past things that I found difficult, but I think for the most of it that was kind of good kind of counterbalance to my mom's mentality sometimes. You know, it's that whole poly-up stuff by Bootstrap, Seaforce, I think, you know, there's a fine line between saying that is the only thing to do and being compassionate for yourself. I think sometimes like the answer tends to lie somewhere in the middle, you know? If I'm online I can pretend I have friends. I'm sure you do have friends, nerdy. I think so. I feel like I've been lived under a rock and not quite sure what is happening. I'm 54 years old and not on social media anymore. I don't see anything wrong with doing that, Joe. A lot of people can't discipline their kids because they're too exhausted from life. Yeah, yeah. Yes, social media leads to trouble youth in their spaces, incel to red pill, black pill, manuscript, exercise improvement, looks, maxing, etc. You know, yeah. And I do again want to highlight that, you know, not all of this content that I think most people would consider to be like Manusia content, which basically just means for men creating content for other men is always like this horrible toxic misogynistic stuff. I don't think that's the case, but I think there is a particular brand of that content which is particularly harmful. You know, I think there's anything wrong with having different opinions and things and different ways of helping people and educating people. But I think there is a line there and the line is when you're trying to get everyone to conform to what your ideals are and not necessarily have much compassion, much understanding for other people. I mean, common rhetoric within these spaces is that you can't ask women what they want because they don't give honest answers. Particularly around like dating and relationships and stuff. So they're basically kind of both gearing the kind of shaming people in order to strive for their ideals so they can continue watching content from them, continue trying to emulate what they're doing, how they approach life, what they think about people and such. And then they also have the mentality of like painting other individuals who are outside of that bubble as being unreasonable, as being like, you see like particularly individuals like Sneaker who will call people who disagree with him in those senses as being soy or being unmasculine. So they're kind of providing different avenues for you to not listen to other people. I had to stick with my friends at the same age as me, trying to agree with me while I hope I was telling the truth that autism is not something to be celebrated. Yeah, I mean, I think it really depends on the person to be honest. I give honest answers, yeah me too. It just needs to be more wholesome role models especially for kids to look up to. Yeah, 100%. It's kind of sad as well, because these individuals are not really anything special. They just have a large platform because they are for what it's worth grifting, trying to take a slice out of the audience who already like that kind of content in order to grow. And then they think that because they've grown and got to that stage that they're like some amazing human being in some fashion, it's kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy in a sense. They're definitely manifest spaces that are simply to help boys and men exist as men in the best way possible. I've realized sometimes you have to go looking for those while the negative is recommended. Yeah, it's very much like it takes kind of a center stage, this horrible stuff. I think it's mostly, it's both people within that community and also people from outside who don't like it. There's a lot of content out there which is on the hemisphere from a critical angle that tends to receive a lot of a lot of attention, you know, because it's kind of a highly emotionally charged kind of concept kind of things from both sides. So I think when you have something so polarizing, it's obviously going to draw in a lot more eyes than something that's not so polarizing. That's why you see all of these pretty deplorable individuals getting so many subscribers whilst other people who as you were talking about Valentin who do have kind of a more positive self-improvement and non-toxic, non-misogynistic kind of mindset don't particularly grow as much, you know. I don't give honest answers when I don't feel safe with men. So maybe ask yourself if you're being intimidating. I'm female and I don't get why women do say what. They mean they get confused. I feel like men are more straightforward. I mean that's the generalization, you know. I'd say that whatever they say is a negative thing about women, I think it's usually just some human beings. It's not even just women. It's everybody. Not everybody knows exactly what they want about things. I think even to myself at some point, you know, kind of have this ideal in my head of what I want in terms of like a partner or a friend or like a situation in life and then it's not what I want and I get something else and I'm more happy with that. You know, we're very complex human beings. Very complex human beings. But I think the important thing there is human beings. Like it's not a gendered thing. You know, everybody can be like this. The portion of people can be like this rather, not every single person of course. But it's not so much of a gender thing that there are, I think on average, some variations generally when it comes to particular personality traits as seen in like psychological literature. But it's very minimal. It's very minimal. Does anyone want to be my friend? Of course us. Where in this world are you? I am in the UK. Oh, I think you're asking somebody else. Sarah says it speaks volume to villainize the other side of the political spectrum and I think it's going to drive people to what's villainized if they feel like an outsider themselves. Mick says I don't know personally. I feel like I act the same way online as I do in person. Only maybe a bit more eloquent since I can do veteran writing. In chapter C circles back to the manufacturer drive for status among young men and the corporations that take advantage of it. The message adults receive as they battle through the status wars are transmitted wholesale to children and teens. As a part of their strategy to boost sales and profits, corporations have increasingly directed their efforts towards the youth market. In her book No Logo, Naomi Klein discusses the rise of branding in which companies seek to sell not just products, but also the illusion of status identity and lifestyle that go along with them. Although the power of the brand now extends to all age groups, it is most prevalent among teenagers. The companies believed rightfully as it turned out that youth with their fragile identities and susceptibility to peer pressure would do anything to possess the right brands. And yeah, this is where the real power of the Manisphere exists. It's not in their rhetoric or ideas. It doesn't take much to look at Manisphere content and see that the vast majority of them aren't even talented. The Manisphere and reactionary thought in general has a built-in advantage based solely on the way society functions. When those 12-year-old boys first Google how to talk to girls, everything about the world as they've understood it, to that point is grooming them for an Andrew Tate. It's not grooming them for me. Andrew Tate is closer to the image of masculinity that is championing our culture. It's not hard for him to amass followers. Me, I got to make two hour long YouTube videos slowly breaking down piece by piece why that shit is wrong. Just to say maybe you shouldn't hate women and say they're not able to vote and that will help you improve your desirability. I think that's a pretty solid like piece of advice there. Usually people don't like them like others who don't like them because they're women or they're a particular gender or they're a particular biological sex. I think that's a fair criticism. But yeah, I mean this Andrew Tate guy obviously like has a lot of charisma but I think in general a lot of them they really lack some really basic levels of like critical judgment. Like they literally just parrot other content creators who do the same thing. Like that whole like have you heard of like just pearly things that last. There is really very little thought being put into it and that's what makes it so frustrating to see because it's just it's basically just glorifying closed mindedness as being like this masculine trait. It's like really not. Planetary says I think there are good and bad things about autism. Being autistic myself seems like the social aspects of life hard but intelligence comes easy. Thank you for sharing your experience. I think maybe not the intelligence I would say for me. I think it's more logic. I think logic comes a lot more naturally to me than I mean it has done I used to think that my emotions were useless. But you know over time leading to integrate them has benefited me in a lot of ways. I was so happy to see Thomas online but we watched Manusphere today. Watching a criticism as the Manusphere in terms of the tendency of autistic men to be a part of it. That's how hard it is to do this shit. But if I collected a bunch of only fans models and got up here yelling and shouting ridiculous inflammatory things yeah that would suck in 12 year olds and that's why this content is designed the way as to this guy this guy is this the the fresh okay it's not fit and fresh fresh and fit podcast this guy he's the most like he's like a he's like a some teenager like his his mindset like he's like a child like some of their attitudes towards like their guests and stuff literally if any of them have any sort of critical thought or pushback or debate them on anything and they're a woman immediately for him he's like oh no I can't I can't listen to them and then like he tries to kick them off the podcast for being disrespectful just for sharing a alternative kind of view and even like putting boundaries in place that they're enforcing it's like oh you've got to respect me for having having for for coming on my podcast you know shut up like that's not how things work it's not this I mean it works it works in this sense because they're they're just grifters aren't they they're just mindless and closed-minded this crazy design that's why sneakers fans are 11 years old and not 30 and that's why youtube and tiktok and twitter all but openly court this type of content and turn a blind eye to the problem of what's happening and even the hand ringing about those neural atypical boys being caught up in the hemisphere is a red herring once you take this into consideration it's not the neural atypicalness that they deal with it's the hegemonic drive that they have to imagine themselves as normal alpha males that pulls them in they have that insecurity and then here's the manager guy with their online course about being financially independent or learning about bitcoin or the artist's deduction and maybe at best the diet and workout plan but that's not something that starts on your for you page that's something that literally starts in the home and the way we raise and socialize boys so what can be done about this well I think I again I think he's he's kind of underestimating I think he's kind of underestimating the impact of like the internet in our modern day like a lot of people are online like most of us like like we don't really watch tv as much nowadays it's mostly the slight youtube or like twitch or instagram or you know is there's a massive impact of that and like I think to a certain extent obviously like raising your kids properly and having like good boundaries in place and helping them understand sort of build their values obviously like not to be underestimated a massive part of development as a human being but at some point you become a teenager some point you want to find stuff out yourself some point you want to listen to other people who are not your parents and where people find that is the internet you know and I do think that that's perhaps is it's kind of underestimating just quite the impact that that kind of stuff has you know you can have some really great I can imagine you could have some really great parents but fall down into this kind of rabbit hole in early teenagehood and it has some some pretty significant impact Sarah of the nature says that you could also say that the extreme left also targets your autistic people too yeah I I think so too you know I don't I mean I'm a very moderate individual I'm not a very radical person in terms of political beliefs so you know I do again I don't want to go into politics too much but it's you know I I get that I get that the Manusphere podcast made me cringe to my core how can someone be so unaware of how embarrassing childish their opinions are it's just an echo chamber you know it's about they've got to put on this front of being this stereotypical masculine person that they think that they need to be some yeah tentative use of fun sometimes they make me think yeah exactly I mean I think it's if you haven't watched this before just like having an awareness of like what kind of stuff this happen happens out there it is can be can be good and somewhat informative of like what's happening in the world but I think you know the problem comes in when people are incredibly isolated and you know sort of habitually consume this stuff on a daily basis to the point where they become so radical so even more outcasted because of the type of stuff that they they get into you know I don't know if that made much sense I think it's good I mean I like to view stuff from all angles I like to watch all cut all types of content but it's never like I'm there to absorb what they're saying to me you know I'm always watching stuff whenever it has an air of opinion or whether it has an air of like particularly stuff around like the the the politics of things to to be sort of critical and have have my own thoughts about things and not sort of mindlessly kind of absorb stuff not saying that most people do but that's just kind of my mentality to it YukiDog says I learned I was autistic last year but looking back on my childhood I have no idea no one knew I was autistic I think a lot of people have that experience too it's not not the most known about and known about something in the mainstream I would say no wonder these kids are drawn to this kind of content these guys are emotional children themselves yeah we really we really never know what a true impact is is true what do you consider tv uh tv as in like television like um watching the news watching shows and things like that let's have a look at what you guys are saying I do feel bad for parents nowadays my kids are blue yonder hmm planetary says says settlers plus says I was trying to understand what the man is fit is and here is the definition the man is fit is a diverse collection of websites blogs on online forums promoting masculinity misogyny and opposition to feminism communities within the man's food and coup men's rights activists in in cells mingo in their own way pick up artists and fathers rights groups yeah um I think I think the problem is is like I think it really depends on what what that particular person is like and what kind of content they're making because it's a very broad category I don't think it's all about like promoting misogyny like it really depends on who it is that you're looking at but that that yeah as you said yeah that that's what when it comes to like talking about what what it is I think that's the kind of the definition that's the kind of impression that most people go to when they talk about the man's fear or at least in the context of this video that's what we're talking about that kind of misogynistic kind of traditional masculinity kind of attitude problem is that the burden responsibility gets to the parents especially if they're busy coming from poor area I think we're in a maturity crisis it's definitely a lot more um I'll say um polarized nowadays polarized and emotional I would say as a woman I've watched mixtile content just because I wanted to understand men a bit better yeah I think I think that that's the thing that's what I'm trying to say Sarah I think it's um you know like being aware of stuff that's going on and sort of critically understanding things and why things are happening I think can be quite valuable um it's just you know obviously these a lot of these more toxic sides of the man's fear are targeting and sort of feeding into a lot of loneliness and resentment and particularly disaffected young man