 And we're checking out the HDMI ultra-high speed cable here with the JCE. Hi. Hi. We are from JCE Component and we are cable manufacturers. So we specifically manufacture ultra-high speed HDMI cable and also premium high speed cable. So this is HDMI 2.1 cable. Yeah, exactly. And all these right here, even this very small one. Yeah, this is 36 gauge, so which means small conductor. This is up to 2.0 meters. And for example, this is like 26 gauge and this is up to 5 meters. So it depends, like, which kind of a configuration that you're using, then we will recommend different kind of cables. This one is very short, no? Yeah, this one is, this is only for samples. So that's why we made it short. But for example, these are all ultra-high speed HDMI cable, which is relatively new, released by HDMI Forum. And this is support up to 8K. So which means 48G of transmission. What do you show here? Oh, this is our wire. This is our wire and the inside. These are the conductor and the insulation itself. So it shows how we do on the EMI, so which means we protect the conductor with all of these shielding. And we also input the element of the shielding, so which has better EMI. So it's certified ultra. Yeah. And these are the new points here. And these are like the premium, so which are also certified. HDMI 2.0? Yeah, exactly. And these are also certified by HDMI Forum as well. So sometimes is this the same as this one or do you have to do something different to make this work? Yeah. These are more stricter because the standard is more stricter. So because we produce not only the roll cable but also the assembling. So we have to control all of the procedure very well. So that's why you can see it like this. And JCE, where are you based? We're based on Taipei and also in Dongguan. So mostly we have two factories in Taiwan and two factories in Dongguan. Is it HDMI 2.1 in Taiwan and 2.0 in China or not? No, it's not like that. So which one, how do you engineer this? Do you make mini cables? It's a big company? Yeah. We are a very big company. We made a lot of cables. So for example the patch called cable and HDMI cable, AOC cable, USB cable, these display port cable, we've manufactured a lot of cables, specifically manufactured cables. And AK is exciting for JCE? Yeah, we are. We are looking forward to it. This is all passive. Is it copper? What's inside? Okay, so if you are looking for short cable, then we will recommend the copper version. But if you are looking for a longer lens, we will recommend the AOC cable, which means active optical cables. For example, this one, this solution, which can support up to 30 meters. And this is we specifically, we have small connector here and die casting front show here. So this is very robust and you have really good EMOI protecting. Is that fiber? Yeah, we put fiber inside, but it's kind of combined with copper and fiber. How does that work? For example, if we are transmitting the signal, we are using fiber inside, but for other communication wire, we use copper. For the metadata? Yeah, for example. This is copper and for the 48 gigabit is fiber. Yeah, exactly. So it's a hybrid? Yeah, it is a hybrid cable. This is why it's 30 meters and not 100 meters? Yeah, exactly. This is 30 meters, but if you are looking for longer lens, this one is 100 meters. So depends on which kind of application that you are using, then we will recommend a different kind of cable. This is only fiber? Yeah, no. This is also fiber and copper. This is also a hybrid. Even 100 meters? Yes. What does it do here with this cable? This is a power. So you add power to it? Yeah. On each side. So this is how it looks like, the different offices, Taipei, Taiwian, you have stuff in Vietnam also? We are doing a survey in Vietnam and we are heading to Vietnam, but currently we are still surveying. And you would say that JCE quality is? High quality. High quality? We have world class customers from Japan, from the States, and from any part of the world. The price is good? The price is a little bit expensive. A little bit more, but you want the quality. Yeah. People need the quality. Yes, exactly. So you have to decide which is more important to you, because we have a lot of customers, they have bad quality before, or fine quality before, but sometimes they have problems with these cables and they lost a lot of customers because of these quality issues, then they come to us for better quality. And right here, when I look at this nice looking thin one, does that mean it's more expensive? Not that much. But this is a bit hard to assemble. This is true, but at the same time, they use LASCON doctor, which means LASCOPER. So if you want to compare, then it is relatively fine. LAST. What does that mean, LAST? LASCOPER. LASCOPER. So you can save some money on the material? Yeah, save some money on the material, but it costs more while we are doing the assemble, because for example, these are very small, so when they do the assemble, they have to do it quite well. LAST. When you say 36 or 26 and stuff like that, it's about how many of these inside? LASCOPER. No, no, not exactly. I'm talking about the size of the conductor inside here, which is here, it's very small currently, but you can see it like this. The diameter, I'm talking about the diameter. Diameter, so here's a smaller diameter? LASCOPER. Yes, exactly. So that's why I make it as thin. LAST. Is it a big market to do those kind of small cables or small and starting? LASCOPER. It depends on which kind of market you are talking about, but these are very popular among Japanese customers. They really want tiny components. LAST. The thing looks cool. LASCOPER. Because they have smaller areas, smaller space to not only storage and also to put it in different applications, so like they like this. But for other markets, for example, if you're looking for the cable, look robust, and they will recommend like this kind of cable because it is thicker and it looks more robust. LAST. And do you work with many brands? LASCOPER. Yes. LAST. As many brand customers who put the brands on there? LASCOPER. Yes. LASCOPER. You don't ship your brand? LASCOPER. Sorry? LASCOPER. You also have your brand? LASCOPER. No. LASCOPER. Just many different customers? LASCOPER. Yes. LASCOPER. How many? Like a hundred? LASCOPER. Many. LASCOPER. Right.