 And welcome back to news on a Stanford eptomologist is calling out dr. Anthony Fauci saying the science well did not change But Fauci did He's been all over the place on masks There's some emails You can find in the treasure trove of emails have been released where he acknowledges that the virus is aerosolized Well, the the cloth masks that the people in recommending they're not very particularly effective against aerosolized You know viruses I don't really understand his back and forth and his answer made absolutely no sense Yeah, you should change your mind when the science changes But what is that science that changed that convinced him that masks are the most effective way in fact like the CDC director? Robert Redfield said the masks were more effective than than vaccines and dr. Fauci did not contradict him when when dr. Scott Atlas said that that that was nonsense, which it was I mean I think it's it's just it. I think his credibility is entirely shot and Joining us live now to discuss this issue and so much more is CEO and founder of the stock swoosh Melissa Armo and former Obama campaign director Robin Byro, but first we want to go out to you Melissa What is your reaction? You you probably didn't get a chance, but dr. Tom Borelli one of our Correspondents was on earlier and he kind of echoed that same sentiment saying that what Dr. Anthony Fauci was saying publicly in front of cameras and interviews and all was very different vastly different than what he was saying during these Emails and so I also asked him the question though Did he not think that these emails couldn't possibly be made public your thoughts? Whether he thought the emails would be made public or not. I'm pretty sure that Dr. Fauci it's not going to be fired. I do not think that he's going to resign early I do not think that he's going to be let go and I think this is going to blow over And again, sometimes there aren't any repercussions for things like that and unfortunately Some media outlets are really not covering these emails in depth play Robin I want to go to you something we've been talking about for quite a while and We had a Democrat on last week who said you know what? I think if you liked Dr. Fauci which a lot of Democrats seem to give him a lot of praise This isn't going to change your mind if you're a Republican and you probably weren't a fan of him anyway And this just kind of solidified it for you. Do you agree with that assessment? I? Think it is somewhat of a Republican fever dream if you will that the dr. Fauci is going to get fired I agree with Melissa. I just don't see that happening realistically Look, I completely understand why he received criticism initially for changing his mind But I've got to tell you Miranda and Melissa both. I Respect doctors. I respect people in general who change their positions with evolving science They think he said I'm robbing science change But going back to the argument though is that the science didn't change he did he was saying something else completely different Public cameras are on versus what he was saying in emails. Do you see that I? See that problem. I agree. That's a problem. It's just not going to change anything at all He still remains the nation's leading epidemiologists with all due respect to the Sanford epidemiologist Dr. Fauci is number one and he did get us through this Whether or not you agree with what he said and taking up You know, I would freeze me back to remember when Hillary Clinton said that you'd sometimes take a private position and a public one I hate that but people do actually do that. I just tried to not do that my personal life. I don't respect it. I Think there's a lack of trust now and it may be partisan It may not be partisan I think there's a lack of trust now because at the end of the day if you look at some of those emails the way that he was Speaking to representatives in foreign countries particularly in some of the doctors in China You have to question who he was looking out for he does work for us He does work for the United States government. That's who faces salary and I feel like all along the way He could have been more forthcoming as information did progress instead of that He was flip-flopping changing a story and quite frankly. It was scaring people People are still scared here in New York to not wear a mask even today 18 months into this pandemic So let me just ask you flat out Robin has his credibility been tarnished at all And do you think that he should have to testify as Melissa said he works for us There has been some questions that have been raised about his connections to the Wuhan lab Does he not owe that to the American people that are frankly paying for his salary regardless of where your political affiliation may be Correct, and I always love to say in situations like this where there's some ambiguity and there's questions that need to be answered Sunlight is the best disinfectant. So let's get some sunlight on this. Sure. Have him testify Have let there be an investigation. Let's get some answers Because I myself there there are credible There's credible reporting that shows that that something did happen at these laboratories these doctors that were working in the laboratories We're getting sick with something before we've learned that the public was so there's something there We do need to learn the extent of it, and I'm glad that the advice administration Reopened a 90-day period. I just don't know if it's going to be enough to investigate All right, I want to shift gears now a migration study showing the big cities lost residents We've talked about this a couple times and this is actually cost some cities like New York a house and the representatives This is happening during the first quarter of 2021. So the study basically shows that Americans are moving from Expensive frankly densely populated areas to warmer and more tax-affordable states. I know I live in Florida We've tried to tell people we're close. No, I all all jokes aside, but it has been an issue here So, you know, Melissa, why are so many Americans leaving these bigger cities? Do you agree with this studies assessment again? This is one study Well, I'm living in New York. I've been here the entire time I've never left and I have to tell you New York City is a different place now that it was in 2018 2019 or even before the pandemic at the beginning of 2020 as much as I would love to say New York City is back Or it's coming back. It is it is not coming back. It is not coming back at a roaring pace. It is coming back at a snail's pace There's a lot of reasons why New York City is being devastated and why people are left It was starting to go downhill to be honest with you before COVID because of many of the changes in the crime laws For example, there's a no bail policy in New York if you're arrested in New York and and they arrest you You don't have to post bail. So there's no deterrent to continue in crime crime It's a huge problem in New York and Coven again just escalated that so people are leaving because of crime People are leaving because of COVID people are leaving because of higher taxes They raise our taxes and they and they basically just snuck it in hardly any news agencies were covering it If you didn't cover it or talk to your account You may not have even known that your taxes are going to increase in the following year in New York City Is to have a massive massive problems in California too and Chicago has high crime rates So it's not just COVID it is the crime in cities that are going up and people that have families Do not want to live like this. I went out in the street the other day. I went down to Times Square You know, I really I mean, I'm like clutching my purse walking by some of these Uh, uh people that are around that area because you don't know what could happen Even in the middle of the day and the bubble is that you're still there But let me ask you this real quick and you're still there I'll tell you why I'm still here Miranda because I love New York and I worked really hard to get here And I don't want to I don't want to leave and give up on New York City because of COVID And that's why a lot of people are here too people that truly love New York City I know everything that it cannot are trying to hang in there But if I had a family if I had kids like Robin, I probably would have left Yeah, we're running out of time on this topic, but Robin I want to get your reaction to this I mean, do you think you know, she listed a number of reasons your thoughts We we've all spent over a year indoors And look, I used to live in a two bedroom really trendy loft in midtown Atlanta And I'm so grateful that I sold that and moved to this big sprawling house in the suburbs Which cost the same amount of money So I think people after spending all that time indoors realize hey, we can move to the suburbs and spread out And yes, the taxes are lower. So that's what we're seeing Do you think we'll continue to see more and more people move out though Robin? Let me ask you this because I do think so because of higher taxes because of crime and are the democrats in part to blame for that Are the democrats to blame for that? Well, I mean look the the metropolis the metropolitan cities are pretty much democratic run I don't want to say that we're to blame But it takes a huge amount of taxes to support these large cities. I get it I just don't want to pay them anymore. The taxes in Atlanta proper were insane By taxes kept going up by about 37 percent a year. That's not sustainable No, it is not. Um, but we are going to ask you to Stay right where you are because we still have a lot more to discuss still have on this edition news on Former president donald trump buddy heads once again with one of the most powerful tech CEOs in the country Find out who that is Next also What can we expect from the vice president today? We mentioned she's going to be in guatemala What do we need to hear and what do we hope to hear? We're going to discuss that with our panel next