 Hello everyone, I'm Sally Snyder and I'm filling in for Krista Porter today for our Encompass Live session. We have an Encompass Live every Wednesday starting at 10 o'clock central time and you're always welcome to attend and if you can't come at that time of day, we're very happy to have an archive of all of our presentations that you can look at in your own time when it's convenient for you. So today we have an interesting topic and Scott Childers is going to introduce himself and tell us about it. Thank you, Sally, and let me just switch slideshows here. There we go. Alright, so yeah, today I want to talk about ad filters and specifically ad filters in your public access computers. I'll talk a little bit about what they are, a little bit how they work. And then I want to give you some reasons why you should and why you shouldn't put ad filters on your public access computers. There will be a spot where we'll stop my conversation and see if you guys have comments or input on this discussion. And then after that we'll come back and I'll have some more information for you. Anytime during my session please feel free to use that question section. Sally will go ahead and give me a high sign or interrupt. So I really would appreciate if there's something that I said that wasn't very clear. Feel free to throw in a question and I'll see if I can clarify that statement before we move on. Great. So the main question again today is should you consider using ad filters on your public computers as part of your computer security protocols and various other things. To start with let's talk about how ads on websites work these days. Before these ads used to be the early days of the web the advertisements were in control of the people who ran the rest of the content on the website because it was just that's the way things worked. The person who put up the web page might also be the same person putting the advertisements in the web page and some of them may have actually been doing the graphic design for those ads. As we progressed through years with web page technology things have changed. Now you don't have to have the same people making the content doing the advertising. And so let's see here. There we go. The website owner now contracts with an ad network to deliver advertising. This third party does all of the negotiating with brands saying hey do you want to advertise on our clients websites. We have 30 clients who deal with library science. We have 30 clients deal with outdoor living. We have 35 clients with massive hit rates dealing with movies. So you have this one group organizing advertising for the brands and saying we will get your ad on this many web pages who have this type of traffic with these type of planks. They're doing all that negotiation for everyone else. Then what happens is the content owner then gets a cut. So let's say I'm the content owner and Sally is ad network. I'm waiting and dealing for you. Thank you Sally. So I'll say this Sally. Actually no you'll be the content. I'll be the ad network. I don't know what to say. I bless groupless. Oh no. Let's say you want to put ads on your network and you approach me. Sir I would like to put some ads on my network but I want them to be appropriate to my content. Do you handle that kind of thing? Well yes we do. Very nice. So that starts the conversation. I'll say well what I can give you is we'll go out and find brands that deal with similar topics to the content on your web page. And we just ask for 50% of what we ask. So we will ask them for $100 for a two day campaign. These numbers are really low. But it will give you 50. It will keep 50. Do you agree to that? That sounds good but I don't want anything too racy on my... Oh of course not. Because I'm a library person and racy isn't. We don't know who's looking at that. Alright well we'll write that into the contract. Thank you. What you heard and maybe some of you are watching the small little postage stamp size camera is a negotiation. And that's what happens between the ad networks and the website owners. They talk about what they want and the prices and that type of thing. So this is how many websites work especially large scale ones. Now here's the thing. I'm not just talking to Sally. I'm talking with 30, 40, a ton of other people. So that means I can go to the brands and say I can get you this big package deal for all of these websites. So it's efficient for a lot of the people involved. So the brands get a massive marketing campaign fairly easily. The web providers, the content providers get advertising without them having to devote a lot of people to hunt and find these brands. So that's the way it works and it's quite efficient. So now what happens? Now Sally and I have this contract between us. I will give her a little bit of code to put in on her web pages or in her content management system or whatever they use to create the websites. So here's the code we need you to put. Put it in this part of your coding and then what will happen now that that code is in place. Whenever Sally's web page is loaded, it will include her content plus the ads coming from me. So if you've ever loaded a web page, you can look down at the bottom. Some browsers will say loading content from X, Y, all these different places and it's not the website that you went to. More than likely part of it will be the advertising. You're coming from a third party. Some of it is other analytics and other issues. So this is how advertising works on many websites now. It's not the content provider doing the ads. It's a third party. Google AdSense is one of those. There's other major companies out there that that is what they do. They negotiate these ad contracts. Questions on that? Not so far. Okay. How do I know who's a good leader for you? That is somebody who's not unscrupulous. Yeah, and that's something where you'd have to do some market research. So I'm going to talk about how do ad filters come into this? Well, they detect and block these ads and they block based on first the content from the ad networks. So in our previous example, if someone had an ad filter put on and they went to Sally's website, they know I provide ads. So anything on her website that says pull information from Scott, they say, nope, we're not going to do it because we know Scott just serves ads. That's his job. So that's a bulk of ad filtering. They're going from known ad networks. They say, nope, we don't know the content. That's not everything though. They do some heuristic analysis, which means that they look at placement. How does it fit with the rest of the website? Standard, hey, there's this long skinny banner on the right hand side. It's where ads usually show up. It's a long graphic, which usually is an ad, not always, but usually. I'm thinking this might be an ad and depending on the software and how they set their filters, they may block that as well. So they're doing a little bit of analysis, going with that content from ad networks, and also what I decide as a user to block. Some people actually use ad filters to block bits and pieces of webpages that aren't ads, but are just annoying to them. Oh, the flashing thing. Yeah, or other news you would like. Some people do that. They just want the content that they came to look for. They don't want that other reports you may like at the bottom. So they block that with an ad filter, even though it absolutely is not an ad in a traditional sense. So these are filters. We've had a discussion in our field about filtering. It's not 100%. So you're going to get false positives and you're going to get some ads that go through. And that will change day by day as the ad networks and ad filtering companies play their cat and mouse. So a wise thing for me as I'm setting up my webpages to not put some kind of content in a narrow strip down the right side where ads usually are. Or not have it be one big graphic that doesn't have links. I can see people doing some other things that have menus. That used to be a thing. But there'd be multiple spots in that area where people would look out to. So a filter may not go, well, I see multiple destinations, so I'm not going to block it. But yeah, that might be a sample if someone says, hey, your website's doing something funny. Ask if they have an ad filter on. And we'll get into that a little bit more later on. So I believe my next slide is going to be, I'll have two screenshots. One will be a local newspaper's web page without ad filtering. And then a screenshot with ad filtering. And we'll take a look at the difference. So first, without ad filtering. And if the web page itself looks a little dim, well, that's because that's what it was on the screen. They did what's called a light box effect for this pop-up about a sign up for this and that. And we're seeing that quite often, this light box effect. On the screen I'm looking at, it's really hard to tell the actual web page, but there's only two pieces of information that are not some sort of ad or call to action. Two words of a headline and that temperature. Everything else on that is an ad. With the ad filter on, same page minutes later. And I do literally mean minutes. But it took me to crop that first screenshot, drop it into PowerPoint, and then I did the same page right again with the ad filter. So you can see in some pages it makes a dramatic effect. And I'm not doing this to pick on this newspaper. Newspaper sites in general, the newspaper business was built on advertising, not subscriptions, that's where they got most of their money was, advertising. And they're trying their best to do it online. So I'm not picking on this one in particular. I just want to say that up front. But you can see I'm going to go back a slide without and with. Quite different. Yes. And I actually have, I found this number here recently. Back in 2000, I think it was 2014, Adobe and a group called PageFair issued some statistics. Ad blocking grew by 41% in the 12 months before that report. And I think it's because of stuff like this. So yeah, in the UK, ad blocking grew 82%. So more and more people are finding these ads just intrusive and don't like deal with it. So let's talk more about ad filtering in libraries. First, let's say why shouldn't we block these ads? Now, granted, I gave you a graphic that really said, oh, wow, that made a big difference. But why should we let these ads come through to our public access computers? Well, when they pick up the newspaper off the newspaper rack, they've got the ads in that newspaper we could argue. But somehow that's not as irritating as on screen. Is that just me? No. Let's talk about this. And specifically newspapers, I talked about this earlier. By blocking ads, you're hurting the web content providers viscally. Like I said, newspapers especially, but many other websites, advertising is what runs that business. That's how they pay for serving up the content on the web page. The staff to create the content. The background staff who are either programming or developing or designing. The advertising is what pays for that. And so by blocking ads, especially in a place that's high traffic like a library, how much damage are we doing to those companies? We're just trying to make a living and provide information. We've seen some companies move more stuff to a paywall because the advertising has dropped. And again, going back to that report from Adobe and PageFair, for 2015 they said ad blocking costs publishers nearly $22 billion worldwide. Wow. Yeah. So again, this is just one study, one look of the analysis. I'd have to look to see if there's some competing numbers. But I've heard other anecdotes where some companies are saying their revenue dropped 10%. And some specific tech heavy fields, they've seen their ad revenue drop 50%. Because those tech savvy users are installing ad blockers. And it is. It's pretty easy to do these days actually. And so that economy of web information is being, I don't want to say really damaged, but it is hurting some companies. And they're struggling to figure out how to gain money if the advertising's not there. Like I said, some are doing paywalls. There's others that are looking for more pledge driven type things. There's subscription dollars, try to find that again. So that's something about why not to. But here's a couple other reasons. One, it creates problems with some content. And by this I mean that the web page might break. So like in Salix example earlier, you were talking about, hey, what if I did have this thing on the right hand side that's long and skinny? Well, some filters may say, oh, that's a long banner ad. So we're going to block it. Well, really it might be the menu, the navigation menu. Okay. Yeah, so it does that. That's an issue. Yeah. I've had one. I went to a web page and it filtered it. One of the self-starting video ads, it starts up and starts, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, here's the problem. It blocked the visual part of it, but not the audio. Oh. So the audio was still coming through, but I had no control to close the ad or even pause it or mute it. I had to go to my speakers and turn them off at that point. Oh. So yeah. Not good. Yeah. And slide shows, many companies love slide shows because instead of one series of ads, you can see 10 series of ads because you're looking through 10 different pages. But some ad filters and some slide shows, slide number one, slide number two, slide number three, advertisement. But the navigation to get slide number four was in that ad. And so now you can't progress. Another problem. Yeah. So think about your typical user at the public access computers and finding out that their favorite website that loves to do those top 10 slide shows, they can only see the top three. Something wrong with those computers in the library. Yeah. Okay. And here's another one. This could possibly be viewed as censorship. Here's the reasoning behind this. You are paid by tax dollars. I'm assuming most of you, if there's some of you who aren't, let me know. But for public libraries and partially academic and in schools and that type of stuff, you are dictating what bits and pieces of a web page that people can and cannot see. Someone liken this to going into that daily newspaper and cutting out all the ads. So granted, there, and if you want to view, this is a whole deeper topic, but advertising and censorship. If you start with a central Hudson test, there's actually some tests that court cases use to some effect say, well, this is valid government control. And no, this is censorship. We can spend a whole day on that, so I'm not going to get into that. But there are a bit court cases on this type of thing, not in filtering, but in pulling certain pieces of information that are ads out of content that's made available to the public. So that's something to think about. As libraries, we value the First Amendment and here we are pulling out bits and pieces that might or might not be considered freedom of speech, free speech. So that's something to think about. All right, so that's why some things to think about about not blocking ads. Well, let's think about why we should block ads. One, we focus on the content. And as that newspaper screenshot showed, we got directly into the news articles. Right on the front page, and they have to scroll too much further. So for the most part, your users will get faster access to the things that they're looking for, unless they're looking for ads. Good point. Some of them do. I remember those Sunday morning people come in, first one in would get all those coupons. But anyway, it focuses on the content. And a side note with that, if you have low speed internet in your library or even data caps, most of us wouldn't, but there might be a few libraries out there that have data caps as far as how much traffic they can put in a month, blocking the ads reduces the amount of data that you're bringing and loads the page faster because it's just loading that content. It's not pulling in two, three, 20 ads. So you're getting, you're focusing the web pages content for the user. And you're also, in some cases, getting it there faster. So that's, that's possible. A stronger type of discussion might be its 90s behavioral tracking. Now, let me talk about this. Now, remember, at this point, I'm still the slightly less scrupulous web network. Not everyone does this. Okay. There are some out there that says, oh, okay, the people who visit Sally's website are also the same people who are visiting, you know, this other website on English teas. Wow, did you know? Well, see, I'm slightly unscrupulous ad network. And they're also the same people who look at classic literature. Okay. So now I have a profile of the people who are looking at those types of websites. And it's not just in general. I know that this particular computer visited these websites that I serve ads to. And so the next time someone at that computer goes to a web page that I serve ad to, I'm going to target those ads a little bit more. It's going to be more on, you know, classic literature, tea-loving types of people. And I really don't know if you're a classic literature, tea-loving Sally. I love all kinds of literature. There we go. Tea is nice. I do have coffee in my cup right now. There we go. But if I was, you know, it's my computer. It might be more towards the, oh, we're going to point you towards those graphic novel things. Because I know you've got some graphic novel type stuff. And I'm looking at more, I'm looking at the Avengers movies. And oh. So there is some behavioral tracking with some ads. I want to make it clear it's not everybody. It's not always, but there is some. And by blocking ads, you're blocking some of that tracking and therefore protecting a small piece of your user's privacy. That's a good point. So that's kind of a reach. I'll give you that. But here's an even stronger reason why you should block ads. It protects your computers from malware. At least partially. There has been reported cases where it's someone goes to a website and it tries to install some sort of virus or malware. And it's not from a web content. It's from the ads. Some third-party advertisers have been kind of slack in there. They're keeping up with what their brand people are doing. They'll sign the contracts and say, okay, yeah, we'll take your money and give us the information for your advertising campaign. And then later on, someone will say, hey, we need to make the small tweak. Here's some new code. Okay, well, Sally's already got the ad code in her website. So there's no changes on hers. And me being the ad network, I may not have properly looked at what this other person gave me. That says, okay, our new brand process is here. Here's the new code. So I put that into the queue. The next thing I know, those infected pieces of code are now going out through the ad network. Yeah. So like having antivirus on your computers and scanning them every so often or doing the deep freeze or whatever Fortress Grabs product is or Centurion. This is another layer of security in some cases. And I have seen some people say, yes, we absolutely have to for the safety of our network to protect the assets and to protect the other people using computers, because once one computer gets infected, it starts to spread. So these are some reasons why you should block ads in a public access type of setting. All right. So I laid out the sides. Now for some debate. We'd love to get your feedback through the question and answer. So go ahead and start typing that in. Looking. While I'm waiting for you guys to type stuff in, I did the session at the live audience session. And we had some pretty good back and forth, not just on the should, should we, but even some of the things I said, they said, no, Scott, it's not censorship. And so I'm saying, oh, yeah, it kind of is. So if you want to nitpick one of those specific things, now is also a good time to throw that in there. And we'll share it with everyone. We'll give ourselves a little bit of time. So while we're waiting for someone to type in, I'll just jump on the censorship issue because when you didn't even think about that until you mentioned it. And then I thought, well, you know, we are in effect not allowing access to something that, as far as we know, the content owners have agreed to have on their page. And like, in particular with a magazine or a newspaper, you're blocking their revenue stream, as well as not allowing people to see the ads. Yeah. But I didn't think about the malware, so there you are again. Well, yeah, it's not something that there's been a lot of discussion on. There is a story while we're still waiting on that malware thing. Someone went to a major website who was at this point actively saying, if you've got an ad blocker, we're not letting you into our website. They're actively saying, you have an ad blocker, you don't get into our site. Nanor Nanor Boo Boo. And it's like, so the guy turns off his ad, the guy turns off his ad filter, goes to the site, and immediately his antivirus starts clicking, saying, bing, bing, bing. Turns off, turns the ad filter back on, it subsides. So, you know, and this is a story. So I'm not, I don't want to give it too much weight. But there are other instances where I've helped someone clean up something, and the only thing they went to were the major websites, and they got something through that. So any comments from the? They're working on a question, but I don't have one yet. Okay. I know there's a couple of groups, and you guys might be arguing amongst yourselves, so. So, let us in on the conversation a little bit. Yeah. Well, I have to confess that I had heard of ad blockers, but that's about the extent of my knowledge prior to talking right now with you. So I'm learning all kinds of new things, and pondering both sides of the question. Yeah. So I'm a fence straddler. It's my way of the world. So when we were first talking, oh, we have a question. We'll get to that in a minute. Okay. And you were saying, you know, you're, what if you had a, if you have like six computers and you had two of them that you said ad blockers on, and then people could choose, do I want to go use the ad blocker one, or want to use a regular one, which of course would mean, in my case, I would walk up to the desk and say, what do you mean by ad blocker? What is that about? So you'd have to answer a lot of questions. Yeah. So here we go. How about if an adult searches for adult products on a public access workstation, and a child uses that workstation after the adult, and is exposed to ads not appropriate for them? Okay. Well, that's a really good question. And I've heard of, was there more to that same question? No, this is a different one. Okay. We'll get to the other one. I want to get to this one. I've heard of some families that share a computer. And so the ads are kind of weird for that family, because the whole, whole family is, is viewing stuff. And it's not as extreme as that case where it's a, someone looks up some adult type of information and the kid comes out and it's like, oh my gosh, now they're selling, you know, this adult novelty store down the street. But, you know, this one guy is like, why are they advertising my little pony to me? Well, the daughters spend a lot of time on that web, on that computer. So it, it does affect the ads show up on that computer. Now, if you had ad filter on and you're not seeing any ads, and also the adult ads, like the, I will say the extreme ads probably aren't going to show up that quickly. Now, if you had a problem, an actual problem where someone's on there a lot, and you're not doing any other type of protection on that computer, then it's theoretically possible. However, the ad, ad networks that serve the adult entertainment industry generally don't cross over to the mainstream populace. And so we're talking about various ad networks with the websites that they serve. I don't know if those ad networks talk to other ad companies and share that data. So it's, it is something to think about. And if you start seeing these weird ads pop up, it might be because there's some ad tracking going on. But in that particular case, I don't think such extreme swings are going to happen. Yeah. So another question is, why doesn't the virus protection protect against that malware? Oh, okay. You're talking about getting downloaded. Yeah, and it does, but it says, hey, there's a virus coming in. But let's say you didn't have an active virus protection that it would get infected, or your definitions were, weren't up to date. So it's another whole. I know there's some libraries that I don't know how many still do. But in the past, they would block people using USB drives because that was a way for viruses to come in. So this would be that same type of thinking. It's like, well, if we block this, this type of access, we minimize that chance of things coming in. But yeah, another thing is some virus checkers don't check incoming streams like that. They'll check once it's downloaded. So it depends on your software too. And the settings. How is it set up? Are you set up to, does it have the capability? But have you turned on to check incoming web content before it's fully downloaded? So there's a lot of variables in that. But yeah, you're right. Some virus things will catch it, like the story I was talking about earlier. If you went to the site, turned off his ad filter and also his virus thing kept going. Incoming, incoming, incoming. So good question. And there's a lot of variables in that that could affect that. Another question is, are you going to show us how to install this? Is it free? Oh, actually. Is that later on in your presentation? We'll talk a little bit about that in a little bit. I want to see if there's any more questions here. Well, there's just kind of the rest of the virus protection. She just said, like, deep freeze protect against. So she was just naming one that. Okay. Like a deep freeze product. Or any other product that resets the computer. And yeah, what will happen is once you reboot the computer, it goes back to the original status it had. So deep freeze, Centurion. I wish I could remember what Fortress Grants product was, but there's a few of them out there that libraries use. And yeah, you're right. Is that Mary? Mary. Yeah. And so that might be a thing where it's like, well, we've got deep freeze. It's not that big of a concern to us because we can just reboot and it's done. And that's nice. And that might be how you handle other viruses too. You know, it's like, don't need that much active virus protection because we're going to reboot and call it call it good. So yeah, Mary, that's a good question. We have so far. Okay. If you guys have something else, please go ahead and type it in there. We'll try to save some time at the end. We're doing pretty good on time. So we should have some time to handle some more questions, but there was that question about installing and that type of stuff. I do want to give you a piece of advice. Not all filters are created equal. Some stop development and become outdated. Usually ad blocking or ad filtering software is usually not for profit. It's people doing it because they just don't like ads. Well, as with any project of passion, sometimes have passion wanes. And with big companies going say, hey, we don't like your software. We're going to take you to court. Sometimes they don't have the money or time because all of a sudden they're being threatened. So before you pick a product, you want to do some research and say, oh, this is still being, excuse me, still being worked on. It still has an active base as opposed to, well, the last update was back in 2014. Probably not going to help you. Not so good. Some say they are ad blockers, but instead put their own ads in replacing from the ad networks. And these are also ones that will sometimes throw in a malicious type of virus type of attack. That unscrupulous. They are unscrupulous. Yeah. And some actually allow companies to purchase spots on their white list. So what this means is we will block all the ads except for this fine company over here who paid us $500 to put their products in our white list so their ads will show. So you want to do some research. I have three picks for you that I trust right here. You block origin. This is the one I use for my home browsing. It's still pretty much one of the top ones out there. I haven't seen a lot of, I've seen minor complaints about more advanced options that you guys may not ever use. AdGuard, and you can just do a Google search or a DuckDuckGo search or Yahoo or whatever your search engine is to find these. AdGuard, the Mac community that I've seen seems to like AdGuard. You block origin works for them too, but it seems like Macs prefer AdGuard. Then I want to mention Privacy Badger. I mentioned this because of the people behind it. The Electron Frontier Foundation are the people who are behind Privacy Badger. And this is a long-standing group that are fighting for all sorts of digital rights for individuals. So not just your privacy when going online, what can be and should be tracked. They've been involved in the net neutrality issues that we are seeing right now in Congress and FCC. They're really about protecting the individuals. And so they come up with this blocker. Its focus is to prevent that tracking behavior that I talked about. Not necessarily blocking all ads, but that behavior. As a side effect, it will block some ads, but it will also let some ads through. So it's really focused on that privacy issue as opposed to the annoyance issue which the others are like. Now if you want, I can try to show you, this is not my machine, but it's like adding a plug-in to the browser. I don't know how many people are used to that. I don't know if I'm even allowed to do that on this. So we will try. So I'm going to open up a browser. So you go up to tools, in Firefox you're going to have add-ons. Others it's called extensions, that type of thing. Then you're going to see get add-ons. And in Firefox, you block origin is in that first menu for many people. So it's just a flip to switch, turn it on. Others you will have to do a search. So it's usually see more add-ons, see more extensions. Now before you actually turn one of these on, you may want to do a search. I'm just using Firefox here. As you see just doing add-filter there's a bunch of these. So maybe I'll spend a little bit of time and review those. Again, the three I mentioned are pretty good. I don't see anything in this first list that I'm aware of that are bad, but then there's some of these I've never heard of. But then after you choose your filter and browser extension, then it will ask you to restart the browser. And I'm not going to do that because we're in the middle of a session here. And then it will be installed. And then you'll get a little thing up here that you can turn things on or off and get to the options. Again, this isn't my computer. I'm not going to install stuff on it. I want to be invited back. We want you to come back and talk about other things, too. So if there's any questions about that process, let me know. Price range for you, Block? Three. Oh, I can afford that. And that's another thing. If you're paying for your ad filtering, there are other better free options out there. So like I said, you Block Origin is free. Privacy Badger is free. Ad Guard, I'm pretty sure is free. I'd have to double check that, though. So if I'm wrong, please forgive me, but it should be free. Because for many of the people working on these projects, if they take money, well, then it could be like those that say, oh, we'll allow this one because they're paying us to allow their ad. It becomes a for-profit, which means their goal is to get revenue. But for many of the people working on these, it's a labor of love. It's a labor to clean up the web because they're just so annoyed with how intrusive many of these ads are. I've had some that I'm reading a story and then an ad will open up and scroll the text down. And then I scroll because I don't want to see the ad. I want to finish reading. And then the ad finishes and it scrolls back up. And now I have to move again. And it's actively preventing me from reading the content. And it's people who are annoyed with behavior like that that are doing the bulk of this type of work. So more questions. Not yet, but so I'm just going to ask you about your personal experience with UBlock. Yeah. Is it UBlock? UBlock Origin. And this is actually a sample of the original UBlock stop development. Someone else was working on it, picked it up, gave it a new name. And now it's moving on and become, you know, I think one of the top ones out there in this area. So yeah. So in your personal experience, I'm only guessing it occasionally what's an ad through or some other. Yeah. Yeah. Just like any filter, some stuff gets through and some stuff does get blocked that I'm looking at the web page. This doesn't seem right. So I temporarily turned off the ad filter. Oh, okay. There's the content that's missing. So just like any other filter, it's not 100%. But I do find that my personal web browsing benefits greatly from having a filter on it. Because I tend to do a lot of new sites. And new sites are trying to get revenue threats. That said, I find other ways to support those organizations. Some of them have a donation process. Some of them have a Patreon. That's like a continuous Kickstarter. Others have merchandise. So instead of following the ads on their website, I'll do the merchandise. Oh, your t-shirt. Yeah. Or sometimes, and that's another thing. Many of these filters will let you turn on ads for particular sites. I prefer no ads, but if there's no other way, I'll turn on ads for particular sites. And sometimes they have to earn my trust. I'll turn on the ads, and if it's not super intrusive, I'll keep them. I'll keep the ads on that site because they've proven themselves to have a relationship with an ad provider that doesn't do noisy, intrusive, getting in my way ads. So that's another wrinkle is, okay, we'll block ads, but we won't block the local newspaper. Because we want to support it. Yeah, we want to support the local newspaper because they put in stuff about your library. Good point. So some things to think about. There's political and economic things besides just the technical stuff on this. So how are we doing on questions? No more yet. No more yet? Now, you were talking about at home, in your office. Do you have ad blockers there? Because you don't have public coming in to use you. So the most part, doing your daily work. We have a mix in our office. I tend to keep my ad blocker off except for when the ads are getting in the way. And it's used in those one page. It's like, I'm looking up something. I'm not planning on coming back to this website again. The ads are intrusive. It's actually insulting, but I need that information that can't find it anywhere else. Am I a hypocrite? Maybe. Maybe I need to be more one way or another instead of case by case. But yeah, we do have some on our staff computers. And I tried not to turn it on except for when it's getting in the way of my job. I think that'll be a good blanket statement. So you were saying after you've loaded it, you showed the example to us there and then at the top you said there's these buttons up there. Is that how you turn it off and on? Yeah. I was just curious. Yeah, like I said. But it'll be a little, it'll depend on what filter you load, but there'll be something up here, a little control panel. You just click on it and something will drop down. Like you'd like origin. You hit this small little button and you get this big button and it just says click that, turn it on or off. It's just that simple. And then if you want more advanced, like some of them I can go through and say I don't like something on this web page, block that. Oh, okay. So, but most people, and for your public access computers, you don't want to go into that because then you'll probably be doing that constantly. You probably want to have it on or it's off except for maybe, like I said, whitelist the local newspaper. So, use me. It's been really interesting. Still no more questions. Well, I have a feeling probably brains are full at this point. Could be. Now, do you have some contact information for people who might want to send you an email later and ask you another question or two? Absolutely. Thank you all for attending. My email address is scott.childers.scls at gmail.com. And I believe there'll probably be a link in the show notes, I think. Yes. I won't be till next week. But yes, I'm sure we'll put that link in there for people so they can grab it later if they haven't jotted it down yet. Yeah. But thank you so much, Scott, for being here and giving us things to think about from censorship to irritating ads to what to do about them and some places to go to get some help on that. Yeah. And I think this is one of those topics where a lot of people like to throw it as a black and white issue. But like I said, even in my own use, it depends. I have cases where I turn off the ads and I have cases where I block the ads with the lethal malice because they treated me like an idiot by blocking my ability to see their cut. Or here's my best one. They throw up ads that I don't like and I quit going to their site and I vote with my dollars. Well, there's a thanks very helpful. Oh, thank you. I'll reply here and thank you again. And I'm going to see about turning some of this off. And thank you all for coming and we'll invite you for next week. We'll have another session next week and I didn't look up what it is because I'm a bad person. I believe it's two mystics, something about my heart. Let's just see if we can get to the library commission. I bet you we can find out. That'd be too easy if I could get to it there for you. What's the end to the slide? One page. Here we go. Upcoming. You're good. You're much better than me. Well, it looks very interesting. One book, High Heart State Historical Site in 2017. Black Alp Speaks by High Heart. And I'm sure this will be a fascinating session. So we hope that you can come or else do it on your own time in our archive. So thank you again, Scott. And thank you everybody else for attending today and we wish you a lovely rest of the day. Let's see if I can stop the recording. Thank you.