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Item three, the agenda review. Are there any additions, deletions? Yes, I would respectfully request that you add an agenda item under the executive session agenda item. So 17 a becomes appointments and B becomes the discussion of potential property lease and specifically for 577 Dorset Street. OK, we'll do. Any others? Alrighty, then comments and questions from the public not related to the agenda. Is there anyone out there? Somewhere far away. No, OK. So we'll move on to it. Oh, this is Roseanne. I don't have any comments, but I had a hard time getting on. I had a maybe the link that was sent out emails not working. I had to use the one that came in the city news. I don't know if anybody else is having that problem. Oh, OK, I couldn't get on using the link that that I get sent via email. But then I went to the city news and use that link and you came right up. So, OK, all right, that's for it. Good to know. Thank you. Good to know some applicants tonight. All right. Yeah, I know. OK, Andrew, do you want to try that and see if you have. Diane's on, too. Did you have I'd love to know if Diane. Yeah, Diane Bugby, did you have problems getting on? I just went to the agenda that was posted in in the city website and just connected that way. So that's how Roseanne. Yeah, and I used the link that was in the agenda that went out from Andrea's message and was able to log in that way. OK, so I don't know what's happening at Roseanne's house, but I'm glad you had the foresight to go to the city link. Thank you. Item five announcements in the city manager's report. Start with Matt. OK, Matt, do you have any announcements? OK. I will just say that I have been advocating Senate Bill two, two, six and two, ten. Um, both would further our goals and affordable housing. And I know that the two, two. Wait, two, ten was going to the full the full house, which would possibly establish a rental registry. So I know there are only two of you out there, but for those who might be watching this afterward, please, please reach out to your state reps and encourage them to vote for the bill. S two, ten. And if two, two, six gets out there, that is the bill that would provide for funding through the ARPA funds for as well as through, I would imagine, all kinds of public funds for housing, the missing middle housing. So so people who simply cannot afford to to purchase the homes at the at the level that they're selling for currently, which is, I think, in the five hundred thousands for kind of the median in South Burlington. What was the number of that again? Two, two, six. And that's another Senate Bill? Yes. Yep. And there I've I've looked at them both. I've been in contact with reps. I've been in contact with John Kalaki. It's his committee. He's that he chairs that voted it out at least to 10 to to the full house. I haven't yet received an update on two, two, six, but I definitely support it. And you scuttle, but you've that you've heard to to 10 is stuck in ways of means. It's not out of that committee yet per rule, 35. I'm just reading it right now. Thank you. And then stuck is your interpretation or is that the truth? Is it stuck? Oh, I mean, it's sorry. That's that was sounded pejorative. It's passing through ways and means it does. It's not has to go through ways and means before it goes to the floor as per rule 35, which just means there's money in it. So stuck doesn't mean they're not never to emerge. It just means that's where it's holding. That's where it's being held right now. OK. And two, two, six, two, two, six is on the notice calendar, which means which means that it's going to be voted on very soon in the house. Yes. All right. They'll have first reading or something unless someone that doesn't have money on it. OK. And it also allows for city redevelopments and city centers to to be approved without going through act 250. So it is it's it's really streamlining the process in addition to providing public, you know, public funds for for that that sweet spot that that many of our residents and recruits would like to to find. OK. And I don't have anything to. Report on so our city manager, Jesse. Great. Thank you. A couple of things tonight. So I just wanted to make sure all were aware that the next meeting of the I-89-2050 Study Committee is on May 10th from six to eight. It's a virtual meeting that work is really focusing right now on mitigating traffic demands and leaving interchange decisions for the future. So folks would like to participate in that. It's on the CCRPC website. As I mentioned at our last meeting, we are in the process of transferring to Office 365 that will provide increased security. So at one of your main meetings, our IT director will be here to support you in switching over to that with us. It will require you to do multi-factor authentication on your email from time to time. I want to share that last week, we celebrated the retirement of Lieutenant Jeff Martell of the South Burlington Police Department. Yeah. Lieutenant Martell has served in law enforcement since 1988 and joined our department in 1997. He's been a dedicated employee mentor to younger officers and contributed department will be really missed. Chief Burke has led a promotional process over the last month or so, and we anticipate promoting a new lieutenant in the days to come. I also want to let the council know that I had a really wonderful conversation last week with Dr. Boyer, one of the new school trustee members who's leading up the search for the new superintendent. And we talked about how the city could partner in that effort. She encouraged me to apply to be on the search committee. So I have done that. If you pointed to that, I will certainly represent you all, but also make sure that the council and staff are engaged and aware of that process. And I'm just so thankful to the school board for their real tone of partnership these days. As you know, April 1st is assessing day, meaning that it is the day by which we freeze the grand list value is the day by which your property is assessed for the year. So Martha, Lions and NEMREC have been out doing the field work for that. We anticipate wrapping that up in the next few weeks and issuing those changes of appraisal notices where appropriate later in the spring. So folks should keep an eye out for that. People may have also noticed surveyors out near City Centre Park and in the wetlands and around Garden Street at Healthy Living. They are doing the investigation work for the next phase of Garden Street and for the the the bridge to City Centre Park. So if they're out there, yes, they are doing city work, not to worry. And then finally, just a reminder, I'll share this at the next meeting as well, that May 7th is Greenup Day in Vermont. And we hope that lots of folks will come out and help beautify our city. This year, things can be left at Landfill Road, which is the public works garage. And you have to pick up the bags prior to the 7th, which is a new thing that we should really stress. Yeah, it's up to the 6th. You have to usually would arrive on the morning of pick up a bag and go off. And here you have to stop at City Hall through the 6th. So a day prior. Oh, OK. Yeah. And where in City Hall will they be? They're at the Welcome Desk. Yeah. Oh, the Welcome Desk. Yeah. Great. OK, that's good to know. Yeah. That's all I have. Thank you. Tom, we can go back to you. Do you have any announcements? Megan was talking about S 10 and 2 10 and S 2 26 and Matt went online and told us where it was. So sounding one of them is your bill, right? How about your transportation? So I'm very happy to report that the Transportation Committee voted unanimously to remove the T bill S 736 forward with the Burlington Study Committee, as recommended by all of you. So I do believe the mayor, Mira Weinberger, has not expressed support and he further objected to the redirection of 150,000 to the $500,000 state appropriation of the airport. And he's asking that we, at bare minimum, allow for the the airport to use federal match dollars to reduce that from 150,000 redirected to 15,000 redirected. I have said them fine with that. So I think appropriations is going to change that as long as that doesn't allow anybody to start fort or stall the effort. But it seems to be moving forward. I'm anxious to hear how the House is receiving it. If anybody knows any House members on the Transportation Committee, I know I'm reaching out to individuals to hopefully get their support. And I will definitely report on that over the next couple of weeks as I hear more. Are you pretty certain the federal dollars they're using in lieu of the whole figure will be 150 and they'll use 15,000 of state dollars at a transportation or out of the OK. Michelle Boomhauer, who seems to know these issues very well, seemed to quite a certain that there is a 9010. Yes, there is. So that's where the 15 and it's up 250,000. So it'd be up to 15,000. So it could be as little as 100,000 for the consultancy. But that's what Michelle Boomhauer seems to say. OK, good. I just wanted to make sure that it didn't end up with 30,000. And we get not a robust review. OK, great. Thank you. Good work. OK, so we move on to item six, the consent agenda. We have five items, the disbursements, the annual approval of the city's local emergency management plan, authorizing the survey of phase one and phase two of the Garden Street Project as outlined and authorized as outlined and authorized the city to provide notice of intent to survey to all known abutting landowners pursuant to 19 VSA section 33. Fourthly, approve a resolution amending the Public Art Committee composition and appointing Sophia Babbitt to the committee. So we interviewed the last meeting. Yes, we interviewed. And as you recall, we all said, oh, can't we just add her to? So this is the resolution that would make that happen. And E, a resolution to amend the Climate Action Plan Task Force. And that was to change the composition when we appointed Andrew Chalmick to Planning Commission. Gave them two spots to Planning Commission, too. So this allows him to continue on that. Correct. So I'll move that we approve. But I should comment later. OK, so we have a motion to approve and second second. OK, and then further discussion. Oh, just I see that. So we dropped one member from the Energy Committee. Right, as initially adopted, it was two Energy Committee reps and one Planning Commission rep. And we've just reversed those because Andrew wanted to stay on the task force. OK, OK, is there any further discussion? OK, all in favor of approving the consent agenda, excuse me, as presented, signified by saying aye, aye, that's before a vote. Oh, well, we've all been waiting for it's picking item seven, picking the city's top dog and first feline, Donna Kinville. I got two in this race, so I got five. You have a lot of dogs, huh? Three dogs, two cats. Yeah. Donna, just make sure the light on your mic is on. Maybe the underdog, the one and only Lucia will pull it through. Well, but Matt has just one dog. So we got a lot of council councillors. Yes, very interested in this race. You'd better have Sue draw. I am not drawing. Councilor Kota's dog is like five dogs. That's true. So when he walks Matt, Matt doesn't walk his dog. He his dog walks here. Well, first of all, I want to thank you, council, for letting me come here tonight and for allowing me to postpone it from two weeks ago. So I do appreciate your indulgence in that. As you said, we're here to draw the ninth annual top dog, first feline contest. And this came about as a way to try and draw some interest into the registration of dogs and cats. People ask why we should do it is for the public health safety of our citizens. And so I know this is not the only reason, but I think this is part of the reason is the fact that we continue to increase our dog and cat registrations every year. And in fact, we're now back higher. Last year's total was higher than we've ever had for dog and cat registrations, even coming out of COVID. And actually, as of April 1st this year, we have the most registered than we've ever had. So it's continuing an upward trend. I mean, I know we're getting bigger as a city, but it is definitely assisting in all of that. And I would be really amiss if I didn't thank Pet Food Warehouse and Top Dog. Guy's Farm and Yard from Williston, they have been with us since day one. And they have been phenomenal in their support. Guy's Farm and Yard came in with each year with two bags, one for dog and full of things. I mean, it's amazing what they put in there. And Pet Food Warehouse actually gave us $250 gift cards. Nice. Wanted to go to each winner. And they have been with us since day one. And without these sponsors, this program is nothing. So I do thank them for that. So well, Rose will get down to it. I almost bought my granddaughter today. Oh, you should have. That would be so cute. I should have, but I'll mix them all back up again. So what we have in here are just the tag numbers. That way it is truly. You can take that off for this process if it's easier to speak. It is truly, as I say, no idea who any of these people are. They're all just tag numbers. So Sue, do you want to draw a tag? OK, we'll blame it on Sue. It's OK. You won't get any cookies. Yeah, right. I can tell you if I put my glasses back on. Is that the dog or the cat? This is the dogs. Oh, she has her list. Well done. 7.30 belongs to William Harward. It is for Zoe and a golden retriever. Oh, yeah, very nice. Congratulations, Brian and Zoe. She gets to eat all those goodies. And now the first feline. Someone early. 174. I don't know if anybody wants to see it. But is Roseanne Geyer, Nellie? Oh, wait a minute. That can't be 174. Yeah, OK. What up, one row? Ella, who's a domestic medium hair. Yeah, they don't. No, it's Phil Roseanne Geyer. Roseanne Geyer, right name. So Ella and Zoe get to have their mug shots on the wall. So what happens? I'll contact these. We'll give them their prizes. And then we'll get their photos and notify the other paper. They do an article on them. And then we hang their pictures up. It's actually behind our counter now in the clerk's office. And they get their reign for a year. And we use them in all of our publications on our website, everything so that they get the recognition of being top dog. For Ellington's 2020 top dog in First V Line. Sorry, sorry. Well, maybe someday they'll be on TV or something. This could be the start of their, you know, commercial. Well, it's funny with Mr. Finnegan last year, the cat. It was a picture that, I guess, the owner is a very proud patron of the library. And so the picture they brought in was the cat. She's reading her book. And they're just like, so the library actually, I think, has used that picture for a couple of things themselves. Very cute. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Well, thank you. Well, thank you. And it's good to know that more and more people are registering their dogs and cats. That's helpful. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. OK, the next. Grandchildren. Yeah. The next item is eight. That's interviewing applicants. But we're a little bit ahead of time. So I don't see any of them in the audience or online. So why don't we flip to number nine, if that's OK? And oh, I thought you were giving the report. It says your name. Yeah. Carol McClellan will be giving the report. I was just going to introduce you. All right. Well, we can go down to 10. Any sharing of information and resources on climate change? I actually, oh, go ahead. No, no, go ahead. Well, I just came across a couple articles that I thought were really interesting. I don't know if I can find them. But one was posted, I believe, by the Energy Committee. And it talked about a community in England. And I guess other communities are doing a similar thing. Of course, I can't remember the name of the program. But they're trying to make growing of food and sharing that food part of the community culture. And it started with a lady tearing down the walls to her rose garden and ripping up the roses and turning it into a vegetable garden that was free and encouraging the public to pick. And I just thought, and it really has taken over the town and so more and more people. And it's become somewhat of a tourist attraction as well as an economic development, I guess, because some cheese maker came to the community and said, huh, here's a community that really cares about agriculture and good food. So I think I'll make my cheese here. And then some other specialty pig butcher brought his pigs and butchers them and has all sorts of specialty cuts and pigs. But I just thought that was kind of an interesting approach for a community to think about how to provide their small part of the world with good food grown locally in light of the Ukraine, that bread basket being bombed to smithereens. So I'm assuming a lot of the crops won't go in this year. And the impact of climate change on our climate that's making it harder and harder to grow food. And then another, this was more of a sad story but related to agriculture and climate change. There's an article, I think it was on NPR. And it was interviewing people in California in one of the really important agricultural areas. And the land has become so valuable. And what's happening is that business people are coming in and buying up farms. Because I guess a lot of the farmers just lease the land, buying up the land. And they were not gloating. They were very excited because they were turning it into manufacturing plants. So what was really fertile land was getting paved over and built so that there were jobs. And that was the wonderful, quote, aspect of this, I guess, economic development in that community. You didn't have to be a farmer and pick vegetables. You now could work in a factory. And well, I don't know what they were making. It just seems, in light of all that's happening, to start paving over some of the most productive agricultural land in the United States was going in maybe not such a good direction in terms of keeping Americans fed. So I thought those were just two interesting articles that are happening, Spun. Yeah. Megan? I like your pro. So I'll go back to your pro and start with the first pro, which is efficiency Vermont is offering some subsidies. So we're going to be changing our gas water heater to a hybrid water heater with help from efficiency Vermont. And I think that you out there in TV land, check it out. Efficiency Vermont as well as Green Mountain Power. There are all kinds of incentives to switch to electric powered vehicles as well as utilities. And just to piggyback and get back to the positive of that English community, I see that that is something that already exists in my neighborhood. We have neighbors who our houses, unfortunately, for the solar roofs that we'd all like to have, our roofs face east-west. But what that means is the backyards, at least for some of us, are in the shade. And so the frontyards are really where the sun is. And I have had neighbors for 20 years who was almost 20 years ago, they planted a garden in their front yard. And it has become kind of a picking place where people can come. And we also have, and it's actually Bernie and his wife, Sherry. They have chickens. They have honey. And so it is something that's really developed already in the Chamberlain neighborhood. And so just building on to that positive, knowing the neighbors who are adjacent to the airport and seeking to experience that kind of community again. I had shared with Helen and Jesse and Andrew in Meet. And then one of the members of the airport rezoning task force, Isaac Basel, he works, I believe, with the intervail. And he has access to all kinds of equipment and know-how. So he volunteered to really help us do that. So it's a wonderful thing. And that's the wise, which are, in addition to the fact that as things go along, we will need to really become more self-reliant. Traveling and delivering from far away is going to become much more difficult. So I think it's when you can do that by bringing the food home and build community that there are some real positives there. So thank you, Helen, for inspiring me to share that. Any other comments? All right, why don't we go back to Icy John Stern? Oh, I'm sorry. Roseanne? Would you take a comment from the public on the climate discussion? Sure, we can. Yeah. OK, it's sort of related to what you've been talking about. In this Sunday's paper, they had a big section, a pretty downer. It was on extinction. And how many predicting a million species are facing extinction in the coming years because of warming temperatures, deforestation, development, and human activity. But here's something that folks may not be super aware of. And it's some of the literal critters that are becoming extinct. And we may be not aware of how critical they are to the whole biodiversity. And here's what it said. Butterflies, bees, birds, and even some small mammals help pollinate more than 1,200 crops. And it has an impact on one of every three bites of food we eat. And it says, more than half of all the plants depend on wildlife to disperse their seeds. It sort of ties in with how important it is to maintain good arable soil. And one of the things I think that, as you're talking about community gardens and stuff. By the way, a few years ago, we started something called sharing connections or growing connections. And it was about if you had space in your backyard for a vegetable or a plot, and someone wanted to grow things but didn't have space in their yard, we were sort of using each other's yards. But one of the things that could put a kibosh on all of that is pesticide use. And one of the reasons why the bees are dying and some of the pollinators are dying is because of the pesticides that we are using and allowed to be used. And this is the season where you see all the poison signs going up on people's front yard. So even if you've wanted to use your yard to grow food, if it's been treated with pesticides, it'll take years before that soil is available to be cultivated that would have the proper nutrients. So something to keep in mind. But there's one last thing that was in this article that I thought was an analogy that might put things in perspective. And it was the CEO of the National Wildlife Federation that said this. Biodiversity is a little like an airplane. If you start taking out screws one at a time, you don't know which one is going to make the wing or the engine fall off. But eventually, the system is going to collapse. They're comparing that about saving wildlife, because when we save the wildlife, we save ourselves. So something to consider as the city talks about land use and pesticide use, which I hope you'll be doing in the future. Well, I do know, Roseanne and others, that the Natural Resources and Conservation Committee is working on pollinator gardens. That that is something, instead of mowing to your golf green yard, you could actually leave a section, just let it grow wild and let those pollinators do what they do best, which is. But we're killing dandelions. People are spraying pesticides to get rid of dandelions, which are terrific for the pollinators, by the way, dandelions. But yeah, thank you. And apparently, all kinds of good recipes from dandelions as well. So when we're talking about feeding ourselves, we should bring back some of those heirloom recipes that my grandmother, who lived through the Depression, knew. And yeah, in addition to saving tinfoil, and rubber bands, thank you. And rubber bands and all kinds of things. So why don't we go back to interviews, item eight, for the DRB. And it looks like John Stern is online. So why don't we begin with John? Hello, everybody. How are you this evening? Can you hear me OK? We can. Fabulous. Thank you for your time this evening. So the application I got did not include any, like, a brief paragraph about the skills you might bring and why you're interested. So I do remember interviewing you, I don't know, a year or two ago for I can't even remember what it was. Was it the Planning Commission? Maybe? Maybe. I don't know. It doesn't matter. It was the Planning Commission. It was the Planning Commission. So could you share with the council some of why you're interested and what are some of the talents or skills that you have that are applicable to being an advantage to the DRB? My interpretation of the DRB is that it requires a certain degree of detail orientation and the ability to translate policy into or relate policy to, for instance, applications, right? I have in my career worked with, for instance, UNFI United Natural Foods. Part of my role was to help United Natural Foods identify locations for warehouses across the nation. We put in about 16 of them, dealt a lot with zoning requirements and environmental questions as well. And I will mention that with UNFI at the time, every warehouse that we built, we put up solar on top of those roofs. And we had the sixth largest solar implementation when you added it all together in the United States. So very proud of that work. Moving forward, economic visions for communities while at the same time advancing conservation efforts, if you will. When I worked at Deloitte, I was responsible for selecting sites across the nation for our solution laboratories, as we call them, and put up three of them in the nation, including working with architects and local city boards to, again, work through zoning issues and questions around the way these facilities were developed. So again, I bring a substantial background to this work and would love to be able to support South Burlington and its vision to become a better, just continue to improve as a quality city and continue to advance some of the dual goals that we have, economic development, along with conservation questions. Great. Have you had the chance to sit in at a DRB meeting? I've been to a number of them, yes. OK, so you understand the time commitment, and you have that time? Miss, a lot of work. So my one question becomes the following that I feel I must let you know. I became aware that with the company that I'm with today, I have to take continuing education for the next eight weeks, and it happens to be every Tuesday night. It goes until about, class goes until about 8, 8.30 sometimes. It's a requirement for my position, and so I would be potentially late for some meetings, and I'm concerned about that. So I wanted to make the board aware, or the committee members aware of this requirement that I have with my current position. I'm sorry if that's a disappointment. When's the end date? I have eight more weeks, so I'd have to look at the date. So it's in June sometime. I think that puts us. Mid-June? June, yes. Mid-June. OK. But you understand in terms of the preparation time and how many hours? Is it five hours, Matt? It can be. It can be. All right, on Tuesday evenings. Yeah, all right. OK. Other questions? Yes, I'm aware of the preparation requirements. Other questions people might have? Is that Tuesday evening set, just like? Yeah, OK. Yes, it's the only time the course that I was assigned is offered by the company on Tuesday night. They brought in an educator for the purpose of the class. Tom. I would move it if I could. And I am asking whether, because the meetings are minimally, I guess, two times a month, whether it would be possible to leave early or something along those lines. I just don't have an answer for that yet. OK. Tom? Just a clarification and then a question. I see that he did fill out that one box, but it didn't have word wrap, so it's really awkward to read it. So we're having difficulty reading your one long narrative about how you want to serve in the capacity. But I just want to recognize that you did complete it. It's just difficult to read in the fillable PDF. But John, can you confirm that after the eight weeks is done for this course that you don't anticipate additional concerns with the conflicting on Tuesday nights and that this is something that you feel like going forward based on what your other obligations are, that it's definitely something you'll be able to carve out and commit the needed attention to the important role? Tom, yes, absolutely right. Any other questions? Well, we've been asking roles on committees, right? Oh, right, go ahead, yeah. Interesting to know what role that you usually play when you're in a group setting, working, for instance, on any of these projects that you talked about with Deloitte or the warehouses for US food, if I understood correctly. You're not a natural thing. So I was part of a team. It wasn't the lead, if you will. So primarily, I would weigh in on reviewing legal documents. Review a lot of legal documents. I'm not a lawyer nor an architect. But it just seems to be something that keeps coming my way. So I would be involved in a lot of the legal review. I'd be involved in a lot of the conversations around requirements for the facilities and then working to make sure that the proposals that we were receiving from the architects were in alignment with our objectives. But typically, it was fairly collaborative. Both of these organizations are highly collaborative organizations, matrix organizations. And so that was the way in which I would work as well. Is design important to you? I believe human-centered design is incredibly important, yes. And I think that it can really, I mean, I think if you look at cities across the world, there are very different design approaches, if you will. And some of them are beautiful. And the aesthetics are pleasing. They create places you really want to be. And then others are obviously not. And I really like to see beautiful south roads. OK. Any other questions? All right. Well, our process, we hope to interview one other person tonight, right? And then we'll go into executive session at the end of the meeting and discuss that and make a decision tonight. You do not need to stay hanging around till that's at the end of the meeting. If you're selected, we will call you tomorrow morning or sometime email you or whatever. And I want to say I would consider this an honor. So thank you. Thank you for your consideration. Well, I very much, I think on behalf of the whole council, we very much appreciate knowledgeable people and even busy people like yourself who are willing to contribute to make the city a better place. And the DRB is one of our very important committee committees. So thank you very much for expressing interest. Thank you very much. Have a great evening. OK, thank you. Good night. And our next one is Tyler Barnes. He did indicate that he would be participating in person. You did also talk with him at your last meeting. That's right. He's not in the, we kind of asked him about both, didn't we? We did. I did, I think. I think we did talk with him about the DRB. OK. All right. And Charles Johnson cannot be here tonight. And we interviewed Cindy Freeman the last time. Yep, OK. Charles indicated that he has a family conflict for the next few months. So asked to be pulled out of this process, but anticipates reapplying for the regular annual appointments. OK. So that completes then our interviews. And we can move on to item 9, which is getting the annual Common Roots report. And so Carol's here. So please have a seat and make sure the light is on. So it is green. Oh, kiddo. Thank you. My goodness, this is so formal. But first of all, congratulations on City Hall. This is like out of the stars facility. So I just got to do an extra tour with Holly today, just now for your beautiful community room and how there can be other functions there. And you'll be promoting that. So that is just really fine. So I just wanted to, first of all, start with saying hi to Matt, who I don't know. Hi, Matt. And I think I know everybody else. But thanking you for your generous leases to Common Roots. And so we're 14 years old now. And seven years ago, your city council said to Tom and Kevin, the Wheeler House is underutilized. And so when we were taking a look at the house after one of the philanthropists of the Serena Foundation said, we love what you're doing, but you're giving everything away. You have to become sustainable. So you're giving a segue and an entrance to fixing up the Wheeler House from the mice house to transforming that into the beautiful home that it is really has allowed us to build our sustainability. So scroll ahead seven years. And we're just over from strategic plan. But I did want to give the city council just the one or two minute elevator chat of our five programs so you understand what it is that we're actually doing in our city. So our first program is the farm stand at the food shelf. And before COVID, for 12 years, common roots grew organic food for the 40 families identified by school social workers in all five last year during the pandemic. And we don't just drop it off at the food shelf. We set up a farm stand outside the food shelf from May till Thanksgiving with our interns. And families and households can come and select whatever they can use for the week. So we never say you get one of this or two of that. And then the other notable thing is our food shelf. When I shared with them that we were serving families every week for 12 years, and the food shelf opened not knowing how much food they'd have. They would, in the training of volunteers, they'd say, you can come once a month. And so once it got open, and then by the time January came, Peter was very amenable to grandfathering in all the families who are identified by our social workers. And so they can literally come every week. And I just went to an advisory board meeting. And we want to extend at least twice a month to everybody else, all the seniors that come and single people and other households and families who utilize the food shelf. So we're going to be working on that to give even broader access because the need is growing as prices rise. So there's that hole to fill. Our second program, Farm to School, this is our 14th year. I mentioned to when I met with Andrew and Holly Reese a couple months ago, during the pandemic the elementary principals considered us essential educators. And so we didn't skip a beat with being in classrooms. So we will end this academic year with over 1,150,000 lessons to individuals. And that's not counting the faculty that get our lessons as well and other staff members. Our third program is Farm to Go. That's our middle school student chef program. It's an after school program. And this is our 14th year as well. And we have helped middle schoolers produce full-balance meals for their families in a six-week course that's an after school program. And we will be working with Holly to bring that program through this summer as well because there's a lot of need for middle school programming in the summers. And so we're at 13,000 meals that middle schoolers have made for their families. Our fourth program is the gatherings on the land. That's our field trips. And so our field trips come from Burlington, Winooski, Essex brings 60 kids at a time to our farm at South Village. Our South Burlington Schools Out Program comes as well and then individual classrooms. So our field trips are popular. We just had our Maple Moon Festival, which is a cultural festival at Wheeler Homestead advertised through the community, the schools, and the food shelf as well. We had about 150 people. And then we'll have the farm hop and the fall pumpkin jamboree as well as Farm Week with people meeting our farmers. The other thing that most of you wouldn't know, but we have formed an agrihood. So our city has made an effort with conservation of land and open space and agriculture. We have a relationship with four businesses that are all in the Northeast quadrant and into Shelburne with the bread and butter farm. So with bread and butter farm, the Fisher Brothers, Sisters of Anarchy Ice Cream, and the Chittenden Cider Mill, which is now the mill market, who presses all of our apples and contributes to the agrihood. We have a collection of four businesses soon to add the fifth, which is the Kylene Farm, right next to the bread and butter farm on Cheese Factory Road. And there we just had a meeting with the Secretary of Agriculture as well. And Breanna Kylene and her husband want to join our agrihood. So we'll have five businesses. And the purpose of the agrihood is so that we, instead of competing with each other, we help each other out. And we've solved problems together. And we're actually working with 28 people from the state on a Zoom later this month to deal with the issue of farmer housing. Because even 14 years ago when we started growing food at the farm at South Village, we had no clue that farming housing would be an issue. And now we have space for farming housing. But to make it affordable for a farmer in the Southeast quadrant to live there is next to impossible. So we're making, we have a meeting with the Vermont Housing Conservation, the State Land Trust, the Secretary of Ag, and lots of other people. So we would keep you abreast of that, Andrew, as to how that goes. And then last but not least is our internship program. So with UVM, St. Michael's and Champlain, we had 142 internships in 2021. And that's at 142 individual students, but many students do farm-to-go program. And they work at the farm where they're with chef in the kitchen. So we consider that because we spend a lot of money to seek those interns, we build it as a program. So it's our fifth program. So an update scrolling ahead in three years, how we've grown to 50% sustainability of these five programs is the Farm to Fork Tuesday meals, Flatbread Friday, and the farm stand at the food shelf, which the farm stand, I'm sorry, the farm stand at the farm itself village, which just went above even for the first time last year after operating its seven years, you know, building that infrastructure, the road, and the shop, and the, my goodness, a big enterprise. But to have a farm stand in the center of a community with 300-plus units of housing is pretty amazing. So a lot of people can walk and bike to it. And then we will have 150 members. And then that's about a third of our revenue for the farm, which includes the Hubbard. We'll have about 50,000 in food going to the farm stand at the food shelf, and then another 50,000, which is sponsored by the community. The pounds, are you talking in pounds? I'm sorry, the cost of growing about 8,000 pounds last year, believe it or not, is close to 60 when you consider people power the products from the kitchen to the food shelf, and the amendments to the soil and the insurance. The $60,000 for the food shelf. That's what we spend to bring the 6,000 pounds because there's transportation, and there's setting up the interns. And we also bring food to Feeding Chittenden. And the other food shelf that we're sponsoring for a third year is the Abanaki food shelf in Shelburne, which is only one of three Abanaki nation food shelves. And we grow their heritage seed at the Hubbard Park and at the Farm at South Village. What's their heritage seed? Their heritage seed is in a separate seed bank. And so according to Chief Don Stevens, and meeting with some Abanaki people, when native people eat their traditional foods, I don't know the chemistry of their body, but I do know that it promotes their health to be eating from their traditional food sources. And it also helps them hold their tradition, which is growing to be even more enunciated in their family life. So the seeds we send to NOFA, which is the Northeast Organic Farm Association in Richmond, and then the food goes to Chief Don Stevens' home in Shelburne, which serves the Abanaki nation people. And they'll be at the Hubbard Park working with us this summer as we grow more crops. And we teach about that to our students. Wonderful. So that's been going really well. So the lease that Hubbard Park is we're talking about farming, it's double certified. So we have two certifications at both the Farm It's South Village and the Hubbard Park. We hold the Northeast Organic Farming Association, NOFA certification. And we're one of 500 farms, and it's because it began here in Shelburne, a very thoughtful philanthropist who saw from the history of farming that the standards of organic certification were diminishing. And so a consortium of farmers wanted to hold an even higher standard of certification. It's called the ROP, the Real Organic Project. And in order to have that certification, you have to demonstrate not only no chemicals, but that you use a full crop rotation, that you cover crop, and that you re-mineralize the soil to add the nutrients. So if you're an organic farmer, but you're not paying attention to what's in your soil, your food is not necessarily as nutrient dense. So we hold that certification, we spend a lot of money on minerals, iron, copper, manganese, going back into the soils at both farm sites. So for the Hubbard Park, I've had conversations with David Wheeler, Stormwater, and I'm gonna be meeting this week with Christine Jingress, who actually, according to David, even knows more about agricultural soils. And we're gonna just look at the drainage issues that are up there. And I don't know why they weren't as prevalent of issues when we started up there five years ago, but the water flow from the upper part of the farm field is just more significant right now. And I don't know, I haven't kept track of the rainfall or if it's just the weather or whether it's erosion, I don't know. But Christine Jingress will be looking at it and then she and David together will make recommendations that will go to Tom D. Pietro. Obviously that's our expense. And then Ashley Parker would have to review that with Holly as well. So we won't be doing any swaling or anything without permission, but we do have to look at the impact because of the four acres, the water's mostly impacting right in the middle of the farm. It's going right through the center field. It's like, whoa, hard to get in there. So we'll be looking at that. I think it's really wet. That's a hovered part, really wet. But it hasn't always been as wet as it is. I mean, our farmer could get into that field, not ever this early in the season, but we have been able to till that. And we had mack tractor cultivated after we brushed hogged and chisel plowed it. So it'll be interesting to just figure out the water and then it has to connect with whatever you're gonna do in the area where there'll be community gardens in the site for events in the future. So it'll all have to work together. Well, we did have a drought a couple of years ago. I mean, the whole state, so. So that would be one of the years. So that might have impacted this lack of the water flowing through. And I think we're not in a drought any longer. I think we're still. Are we still? Because we didn't get the snow cover that day. Yeah, yeah, but yeah. So all the four acres up there have rotations of cover cropping. And that's part of our certification. We'll have organic berries up there this summer. There's five rows of organic strawberries that'll be ready. And so according to Holly, we'll be able to put up a daily 10 by 10 tents so that our interns can help community members access it if they wanna pick some berries. We'll also pick them for the farm stand. So the future up there, one of the things I'd like to be thinking about when it's time for community gardens up there, it probably would make sense. And I don't know if you can do this without a fuller process, but it would be really good to offer it to some of the families who are facing food insecurity to have access to some of those garden plots. And we would have to figure out the formula of support, but our farmers and our interns certainly could assist people who don't know how to garden and do some education up there to build food security for people who are not experienced. So I think it's a natural fit in the future. Any questions about Hubbard or programs? I mean, of the farm, Hubbard Park. I do, can I jump on in? Sure. Have you worked with Alisha Laramie of the AALV, African Association of Africans Living in Vermont about families and giving them access to garden plots? Well, no, because it's not ready. You can't just start gardening up there. So I would love to know, I don't know who makes the decision of when the city's ready for that part of the Hubbard Integrated Land Management Plan, but we would need a couple of years in advance because that land has to be brushed hog, chiseled plowed and open like we didn't grow up at Hubbard till three years because the land wouldn't have been ready. You have to open and aerate it and cover crop it and test it. So this is only our third strong year of farming on the land. I just suggested because I had invited her to the forum last summer on land use and equity and she wasn't able to attend, but she provided a really thorough response to kind of baseline questions that I had asked her. I would love to talk with you about that. And she thought it was really important for garden plots to be a part of any housing development and particularly for families who traditionally did came from countries where they grew their own food, but also in a situation where food costs are rising, they are also needing to, I mean it suits both their sense of who they are and also that their needs. So I really, she said wonderful contact. Will you put her in touch with, would you introduce us? I will, I will. And I did have just a couple of questions just for clarification to understand. When you said that all your programs are 50% sustainability, I was just curious what that meant. So seven years ago we had zero enterprises to begin to support those programs. And we didn't, I would even say it's only been, well, because when we got access to the Wheeler house that was our seventh year, it took us two years to like transform the house and figure out what our sustainability plan would be. And then we built the licensed kitchen that became the Farm to Fork Tuesday meals. So those enterprises of Farm to Fork, Flatbread Friday, the Farm Stand Making Profit for the first time last year at the Farm at South Village. And now the events on the land which are just beginning. We, for the first time in the end of 2021, sustained 52% of our program budgets by those enterprises. So that- Give donations. So 52% of our revenue comes from our enterprises to become self-sustaining. And 48% still comes from foundations, businesses, and individuals. Perfect. And the easiest, which we always thought Farm to School would be the easiest program to have the community sponsor because their kids get these lessons for free. There's no tax dollars here. And it was the biggest surprise to us. The actual easiest program to fundraise for is the Farm Stand at the Food Shelf. So all of our Farm to School work is harder to raise funds for. So we use our enterprise money to cover that. I see. It's been good. That's good to know. The last question I have, you talked about the cultural festival, the Maple Moon Festival being a cultural festival. And I was curious that- Yes. That must mean something. Yes, it does. So if you look at traditional food and traditional cultures, if you go back to Sicily or you go to the Abenaki people, there's a culture that in the spring, the people who have food left from the winter larder share that food with people that have nothing left in the larder. And so Maple Moon began two years ago during COVID and it's a celebration of culture. So we had nine cultures represented through our interns, through Champlain College, through our own food educators. And then the children also get out in the woods, the Maple Moon Festival. There are maple trees in Wheeler Nature Park. And so there's like a scavenger hunt and there's music. We had the taiko drummers. And so I would say last year we had like 110, 120. This year we had 150. And next year our goal is to involve more high schoolers from different cultures because they used to have a cultural club and now it's more a social justice club. It's not a club focused on culture. So we just wanna see how we connect with the high school. But we'd like to grow that as a cultural awareness of reciprocity and giving one for another. Carol, we just talked about item 10, the opportunity for the public and the counselors to share information and resources on climate change and all that you're saying is talking about resources that we will really rely on and need to rely on in order to sustain ourselves as a society. So I just wanna thank you very much. It just sounds amazing. Well, Secretary Tebbets now lives at the farm in South Village. He's based, I'll share it with you. It actually sent it to you in the email. There's a short five minute video clip with Secretary Tebbets and Will Rapp who started Gardener's Supply in the Intervail. He also purchased on Route 70 what was the Nordic farm and now it's Earthkeeper. It's a nonprofit farm to study climate change and relationship to agriculture in the future. There are seven farmers and I was gonna do this last but I'll sneak it in here. When we developed our three year strategic plan, when you have time, if you go to the page past the middle, so the middle of your booklet is here, it just shows programs, enterprises and our mission. On the next page, the board has approved the concept of this and it relates to furthering our understanding of agriculture and climate change. Our high school principal, Pat Burke, said to me, September of 2019, Carol, you've got two farms now and the Wheeler House and we've got kids who need hands-on learning. Like can you do a technical program? Well, the board would have killed me at that point because we were still finishing the Wheeler House, still working at the farm in South Village and developing the Hubbard Park. So the board would have like probably shipped me to Timbuktu, but- But they're also glad to have you. So you're the dynamo, you're the locomotive, Carol. But the good news is I didn't forget that and the principal of the Essex Tech Center, Bob Travers, saw both farms, the Wheeler House, the Outdoor Kitchen and we manage as volunteers, we manage the Larkin Orchard. And he said, you literally have the landscapes for a high school technical program. And then Andrew said, the one caveat of the Wheeler House is that we can't have it have to meet ADA requirements. And so I talked to Ruth Durkey, the head of technical ed and she said, with the building being 100, we think it's a 2000 or 1905 house. There's no perfect city records on the Wheeler House actual year. So let's just say it's 117 years old, you would not have to follow ADA. It's already handicap accessible. The bathroom is handicap accessible. So potentially the inquiry would be working with the city to get that further approval. The connection to sustainability there is when Will Rapp bought the farm, he would like the high schoolers because we'll have plenty of landscapes from soil to consumption from January to December to be a full year high school technical program, including summers, because of agriculture. Will Rapp and the director of EarthKeep would allow the high schoolers also in the winter to do rotations because they have shrimp farming and bread baking and a barley farmer. And in three years, there'll be a year round farmers market, on route seven in that part of Charlotte. So it's the plan is, and I have to talk with you a little bit more, both Jesse and Andrew. This principle would have the bandwidth to do the planning. The planning money would come from the state of be 80 to 120,000 to plan a high school technical program from soil to consumption. It would probably start off with 16 students. We'd see what the capacity is. And it would be probably run through the Essex Tech Center, but that's just in baby thinking stages. But the planning money would come in in 2023 from the state. That's to be determined. To be determined. Your brain never stops. Well, that was Pepper, so you can thank him for that. So the Wheeler house itself, so the general maintenance with common roots is going well, the painting will redo the porch again because it gets a lot of use, thankfully. And we've fixed the plumbing, we take care of the electricity, the hood inspection. You come in for the fire inspection with our department and then this year you replaced one of the broken radiators that was cracked. And so when I go in the basement, I pray over that heating system because it's a great heating system. It's just old and when it breaks, it will be gone forever, they say. So hopefully it'll last a little bit longer. Then, so I feel like the house is in good shape. We did have Greg Yendau do an energy audit because that heat is going right through the chimney, through the third floor of the house. So we keep all the rooms really cold in the winter, but it's okay. But just in the future, it's probably would be good to, if we could find a way to get on the docket for energy efficiency, some updates to save energy. It'd be great. With the Wheeler house, so the outdoor kitchen, and thank you for that, yes, because we learned about the outdoor kitchen possibility, it was a brainstorm of the owner of Zero Gravity Beer, Paul Saylor. And in the same month, I brought it back to Kevin and Tom and they said, let's see if it makes sense. And the next month, Patagonia chose Common Roots, which we didn't even know we were contending for it, but they selected Common Roots to double our gifts. And so literally the Patagonia gifts that came and were doubled paid the 70,000 that we paid for the outdoor structure with lots of volunteers. It's worth way more than 70 because we had 14 businesses and craftsmen participate. And the city, I will always thank Adam Cate because he would have things done before we could even think about him. Like he would be like, he knew what the next step would be and he leveled it and he helped us with the foundation and he brought the excavator over and like really, it was very special. I mean, it meant a lot to us. So the biggest expense, which was a surprise to us which was how much it would be to get the electricity out there. So we had to bring green mountain power in, you've got another pole on Dorset because of the outdoor kitchen and the Wheeler house needing more juice. And to have events out there, we spent 32,000 on the electricity. So the 70 actually only was 60 because of gifts, et cetera. And so we spent 92. And last year, the revenue from the events on the land was only like 6,500 or something. Already we have that much this year. But we want to promote it. And now what I can see by just seeing your community kitchen, we can probably co-advertise so that let's say on May 13, when the booster club from our high school has an outdoor event at Wheeler, instead of renting a tent, they could pencil in your community room as the alternative site in case it rains, right? And then two days before the event, whoever's running Jamie from the high school would have to tell us, well, looking at the weather, we're gonna have it outside at the Wheeler house. It looks like a great night. It's iffy, we'll have to decide. And then if it looks like a rain out, we would rent the room here. So we think, as Holly just met with me, we see some synergy that we should probably build between the Wheeler house and your community room because it could be a great alternative when it rains to have that booked. And in the winter, when you can't have outside events, we could help you market that. So we'll be working with, is that Alana for that? For who markets your community room too? So Holly or Corley or Alana can all work on that. Okay, so we'll make a plan for that, if you agree. So, mm-hmm. Ellen, just one quick thing, just a reminder on the, you know, why the city has some stake in the success of the outdoor kitchen. It was a condition of our lease that common roots would pay a 60-40 for that space once they had paid back their initial upfront costs. So if we looked at 92,000 as the upfront costs, every year we're buying that down. Yeah, and so then after common roots gets their investment back of the outdoor kitchen and the entranceway, then every event, the city gets 40% of the net of every event. And by the time, and we're on Weaven, which is a website for events, and we get a lot of traffic there, they have visited the wheeler house and they said it's a matter of time, like this is gonna be a very unique site. And the views there are just as you know, ridiculously spectacular. So our goal is to be tenacious on that so that we can have the buy-in with the city because you maintain it very well too. So we wanna support that. So any questions on the wheeler house itself? We think that other than the efficiency, Vermont, getting on your docket for that fuller plan and... And what's the fuller plan? Because I'd noticed that you have an oil heating system. Yeah, so according to Andrew, an updated heating system is in the budget for the future, but it makes sense to let this one work as long as it does. Because it'll be a very big expense to transfer. Oh, I understand the need for incremental improvements. I live within a budget too, Carol. I believe it's in the CIP for FY25 currently. There's that again, Andrew. I believe it's in the CIP for FY25 currently. Okay, let's hope it lasts that long. So... You had a question? Just, there's gonna be lots of mouths to feed here, but there will likely be legislation that uses federal ARPA money that allows the towns to access up to $250,000 in grants for energy efficiency projects for municipal buildings. So that could be, well, it can't be for this building because we can't get any better than we already are, but it could be for, it can't be schools, but it could be for fire stations. Or the Wheeler House. Or the Wheeler House. And that is exactly what... So which agency does that come under for this? So that would be under buildings and general services, administers the program in conjunction with efficiency for a month, but that, if the law is signed, and it will be, there's $43 million that will be spent amongst 251 towns, but it's a competitive grant process and I don't know what our process would be for identifying which municipal building should apply for the grants. So I can advocate that one of our, one of these buildings should apply for it because the money will be gone, but perhaps Wheeler House could be one of the ones that... $250,000 is a hefty amount for a house, right? Wouldn't it be? Hold on, hold on, time out. Yeah, yeah. So the efficiency of Vermont walk-through that we're doing through Greg right now is in preparation for those grant applications. That's a partnership between efficiency of Vermont and the Vermont Lagos cities and towns to do those walk-throughs in anticipation of those grants coming out so we can then prioritize how we're allocating it. And we're specifically looking at Wheeler House and station two. Yeah, well, that's excellent because we're ahead of the game and not every community has those resources. So thank you for doing that, Jessica. That would be... That's also with the 2025 CIP because aren't the ARPA funds good through 2025? Yeah, I mean, this is state ARPA funds that we'd be applying for, but yes, we'd be able to offset whatever that, so yeah, future budget costs would be if we could get ARPA funding to support that, that would be great. That'd be great, would be. Well, it sounds like you've come a long way. We have, it's been roller skate time for a few years, but it's good. Just so the community support part of our work is every year when people come to us, we're as generous as we can by not charging full price for our services in the kitchen. We had the police installation dinner. I hope they'll come back in September again this year. We just did our second Boy Scout outing with the clay oven. We teach them the culinary arts of building a flatbread and they get to experience with our chef how to use the clay oven. We have, last year had three groups of social workers from UVM, Howard Mental Health, and from our South Burlington schools have their retreats at Wheeler. And then with Park and Rec, we want to celebrate the opening when the dog park comes. We want to plan an opening with the committee of the dog park and the dog lovers who are very excited to have that happening. And then bees and friends, the ballet will be back this May 22nd for a second year at the Wheeler Homestead. So there's, it was a lovely performance of ballet at the lovely Wheeler Homestead that we help support. And so we also hope that along the way when the city has catering needs that you would call on common routes because we're glad to serve the city or some of your departments when you have needs to thank your workers or get something done. Right, and the food is good. So, any other questions? No, thank you. Okay, come to Flatbread Friday, you haven't tasted our flatbread yet. Neither is Andrew. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I have. Andrew has at the, when we did our service day last summer. Yes, you did. Thank you. You were a wonderful host for us. Yeah, we're a wonderful host for us, I appreciate it. Thank you, Carol. We'll stay in touch. Good night. All right. Thank you, Kara. Now, I noticed Tyler Barnes has arrived, so why don't we go back to, I know we had interviewed you two weeks ago and at the time, I think, Tyler, we did talk a little bit about the DRB, but why don't you come forward and maybe there's some additional information you'd like to share with us? Certainly, thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to speak, especially in light of my tardiness, I apologize, I miscalculated. It's okay, we were running way ahead of schedule, so we've been moving stuff around all night, so. Very good. Where should we start? Well, you introduced yourself, I feel like we all know you pretty well. But you had been, your first choice was the Planning Commission, but you're also interested now in the DRB, and so I wondered if there were any additional remarks about your skill set and what the DRB requires and the time commitment that would be helpful for us to hear. No, thank you. Well, I'll start at the very beginning. I recognize the difference between the two bodies and that the role of the DRB is not to craft policy, but rather to enforce it. And I think that's where the root of my interest lies is the perception, and I'm speaking for my personal experience, but also those of friends in the community who, as we all have, have had the opportunity to work with the DRB. Fairly or unfairly, the perception of the DRB is just that, it's that of an enforcement body, rather than a partner that residents, that small businesses, that citizens of the community can look to to help them achieve their goals, help them achieve their aims, while still being mindful and respectful of the community and the place that we are trying to build together as a city. And I think my experience professionally lends itself to helping change that perception and to helping further foster a sense of collaboration between the body and the community as a whole. Prior to my current role with ISUN, I spent a number of, my background is in the outdoor and action sports industries, but most recently, prior to COVID, I served as the Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of a Tour de France team. And a lot of that involved, it was a fairly unique role, I won't bore the council with the details of it, but it involved a lot of work working with national governing bodies, regional associations. It was a fairly unique role in the sense that our ownership was just as vested in growing the participation index in the sport of bicycle riding as they were in increasing their brand awareness. That involved politics is the wrong word, but a lot of interests that were perceived to be mutually exclusive, it involved a lot of conjoining of those interests and working collaboratively with a lot of different parties. And a lot of, again, what on the surface appeared to be conflicting interests to arrive at mutually beneficial solutions. If, I think that experience, particularly working across cultures and across a, there's no real delicate way to put it, but across a lot of egos, not to say that that would necessarily be the situation here, but I think it's very well prepared me to lend that experience to a different capacity. So I think that's the most perhaps poignant experience that I have that perhaps directly translates to the role from a personal experience, again, a small business owner who's moved on a few occasions and who has had the opportunity to sit before the DRB, have had the opportunity to see how the process works. And I understand some of the moving parts and pieces. I'm by no means an expert, but I think I certainly have a leg up over someone who doesn't have that experience. And again, my passion for the community and my time here. But I think we've already covered that. Could you, I just would like you to explain a little bit more because I'm not catching exactly what you do. What is your business? The business that we own. Yeah. Basically a personal training studio. For cycling, for what is it called? No, actually we started out that way. I used to be a professional triathlete and a professional cyclist. So that's where our passion for fitness and wellness stemmed from. But, and that's initially how the business started. I had a portfolio of elite athletes, triathletes, runners and cyclists and swimmers. But we very quickly outgrew that aspect of the business and candidly it wasn't all that fulfilling. So now we help, our mission is to help folks of all different walks of life and with all different athletic backgrounds achieve their own personal performance goals. So your coaches, like personal exercise coaches? Yeah, yep. We do personalized training done collectively. So we do it in small group environments. So was your personal experience before the DRB related to building this facility? Let's see, it was with change of use. It was moving to the facility that we're currently in. It was getting a zoning permit initially back in 2012 for our initial location because that also required a change of use. We had, with the change of use came a whole host of other considerations. Most recently we, during COVID, we elected to put in a pump track which is a basically a bicycle track that's made out of dirt behind the building because our kids are, it was the one thing we could do for our kids to keep them outdoors and to keep them engaged during the pandemic. But unfortunately, we were also adjacent immediately to the Potash Brook. So there were complications that came along with that and there were additional regulations and hurdles that we had to clear to make sure that we were compliant there. So a number of different occasions, but yes, most of them have been related to the business. Okay. For some reason, I thought you were a developer. But that, but- No. Well, you develop bodies instead of buildings. Yes, sure. So you are, but not- Well, and my current work, so I lead in investor relations and brand marketing for ISUN, so we're the parent company of Suncommon. So if you're really reaching, we do solar development, but- Okay. All right, I was misinformed. Okay. Any other questions people have? Okay, just last one. You did say you thought it would be a challenge with your family sometimes to dedicate the time, the planning commission required. And I totally, I appreciate that because I would agree. Family has to come first. These are just volunteer jobs. Are you, do you believe that the DRB would be less time? So that balance would be easier to achieve? Not, I don't know that I'm well enough educated to say one way or the other. I think the point that I was trying to make was that, and I apologize if I wasn't clear, I have a very healthy respect for all, for the amount of time that all of these positions take. They're all volunteer positions and they all, to be done well and to be done right, they require an amount of time, energy, and effort, and commitment. And I recognize that. I'm not so naive as to say that it won't be a challenge at times, but I do firmly believe that anything, that when you're passionate about something, that you find a way to make the time and you find a way to make it work. And that's the type of person that I am. And that is the level of commitment that I would bring to this committee. Okay, thank you. Did we cover the role on the committee with Tyler last time? Well, I think so. He made his opening remarks about understanding one's policy and one is carrying out the policy. I meant for him, what his role in a group setting would be. Well, we can ask again, sort of, when you work in a group in a team to do whatever, and that's what I would think the DRB is, the team. Is there a particular kind of role in the team? Like what kind of team player are you or what particular strengths and leadership or... Yeah, I mentioned last time that I'm a data-driven individual. So a formally trained economist and a background in econometric side. That's where I gravitate to. But I think if I'm hearing you correctly, the question is less about the professional background or what you're inclined towards and more how you work in a group and in group dynamics. From that perspective, I'm a long-time professional coach and that's naturally the role that I gravitate towards in my Clifton Strengths Finder assessments. That's what typically comes up. And I think that those tendencies would probably come to light in a group setting like this. Cool, great, that's a good... You nailed it, okay, in terms of what I was asking. All right, do you have any questions for us at this point? I don't believe so. Okay, thank you for your time. After you, we've heard everyone, so we will make a decision tonight. Except for, oh, that's right. They withdrew, correct. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you. All right, moving on to item 11, received a proposed amendment. This is Paul, is he on? Okay. To the official map. So it's number OM, official map 22-01 and possible warning of a public hearing for June 6th, 2022 at 7 p.m. of sane. So hi there, no baby with you tonight, not. So I was hoping to see the little critter. You do still have one, right? You have to catch him before six if you... Oh, Jesus, what is the matter with that? Maybe that got a bit earlier, right? I know. We never had that. I never did either, oof, good for you. Okay, so... Well, thank you for having me. So I'm here to introduce the, as was said in the description there, a proposed change to the city's official map. So this is a somewhat of a placeholder is how I'd probably describe it for how the bike pad bridge that has been planned and that we've received funding for would land and be received on each side of the bridge. So I'm gonna show a very messy map and then I will show a tidier map. This very messy map is showing a series of green lines of where it would be new and some pink lines where it would be revised from. And I'm gonna show a much easier to see map in just a moment here. Just one second. Okay, and I'm gonna make this even easier. There we go. So the green dash lines here are the proposed places where the bike pad bridge would connect to Dorset Street, Williston Road and Corey Hill Road. This is consistent with what we've been planning. The city, as you may know, did apply for a grant and received funding from the RPC to do a more detailed study. So these might change in the coming months, but this is really just sort of to put a placeholder from a regulatory perspective that if there's any major redevelopment of these properties that the rec path is being accommodated. We've been in touch with the new owners of the U Mall as well as the owners of the Comfort Suites, CVS, Staples Plaza properties. So they're all aware of this and the folks on Corey Hill Road have been planning for this along the way. So the planning commission warned and held their public hearing. They had one sort of just a labeling comment that they made a minor change to and then they voted unanimously to submit it to you. So that's what we have and I'd be happy to take any questions or show anything in a little more detail. Otherwise the recommendation is to schedule the public hearing for your first meeting in June. Are there any questions? Tom. Paul makes sense, I'm ready to make a motion. If it makes sense, I'm ready to make the motion. My one question is this leaves open options to work with the U Mall if the desire path, if they have any interest in having it cut south along the interstate for traffic to go that route too. This doesn't foreclose additional options to work with them, right? No, absolutely not. This is really just a making sure that from a public perspective that the public policy is clear that a path would at a minimum would be crossing. And in fact, we've already had preliminary conversations with the owners of the mall. They're very excited for this to be connected in through their property in multiple different ways. So. If it's all right, I'd like to move. Okay. To warn a public hearing for official map amendment OM 2201 on June 6th, 2022 at 7 p.m. Second. So it's been moved and seconded further discussion. Matt. Yeah, thank you. Paul, you say it's a placeholder and I understand that, but from where the bridge is located, that is pretty much fixed, right? That is the location where the bridge will go. We can move the path around, but the bridge is going to go there, right? That is the location that we identified in the funding and that the preliminary scoping studies that we did had selected. We haven't gone through the formal permitting and so it's possible that it could move a little bit, but that's the selected general location. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. And did you have you run into any opposition yet from as you, I connect with all the owners and people that would be directly impacted? No opposition. I would say that some of the spaces get pretty tight, especially sort of around the corner where the CVS is and that kind of thing. The property owners are all very supportive of it existing. It's more a matter of design and engineering and figuring out how to get around utilities and things like that, but they're very supportive. And ultimately we put this on private land, but some of it may wind up in the interstate right of way. The purpose of the official map is to let private landowners know of something. We can always do less than what the official map said. Okay. So this is probably another reason why CVS hasn't done any of their outside plantings. Is it related to that? You don't have to answer that. I was being obnoxious, but it has been a while since they've built and we haven't seen even any weeding. So, okay. We encourage it. All right. So are you ready for the vote? All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. So that carries for zero. Great. We'll see you if not before. We will see you before June 6th. Okay. Thank you. Have a good night. Item 12, consider submittals for the Congressional Directed Spending Requests. Andrew's going to do that. Yeah. Thank you, Helen. So within the last month or so, we received our annual notices that each member of our Congressional Delegation that they're opening up their annual Congressional Directed Spending Requests. These are year marks for the FY23 appropriation bills. Last year, the city submitted three and the CCPSA submitted one. Those three were the city's per city center park connection, the indoor recreation facility and the I-89 pedestrian bicycle bridge and also for funding for regional dispatch. The regional dispatch did receive 750,000 through the federal Audimus Budget Bill and of course, we got the I-89 grant not through this process, but through different grant process. So receiving this about a month ago, the city leadership team, myself and Jesse, sat down and we kind of thought about kind of what the key criteria will be for assessing which projects we'll put forward this year. Those three criteria or those four criteria were project readiness, things that are well articulated and relatively shovel ready. Projects that will have regional impacts, alignment with delegation political priorities and availability of matching funds. Through going through, we had a couple of meetings about this, the three that we're bringing forward for recommendation for council approval. To submit these, number one is again going forward with the city center park connection. Garden Street Phase II Willis and Road Intersection Project which is also a TIF project and some sort of energy efficiency upgrades portion of the Bartlett Bay Wastewater Treatment Facility Upgrades asking around kind of tying it directly to some of those energy efficiency upgrades around $700,000. So that's the recommendation. Alana is literally standing by as Congressman Welch's application is due by midnight tonight. So anyway, appreciate your consideration. Questions. I just have one in terms of the city center park connection. That's sort of a broad range of asks, 400,000 to one million. Is that sort of standard? You kind of give them the little ball in the high ball or? Yeah, I think it was more for, just for planning purposes is, if we decide to go with Congressman Sanders, for example, if we had, maybe we would ask for a higher amount. This is just for sort of your authorization to go for one of those. What we'll actually put into the application is some number in between. I'm thinking about 800,000 is what we have, yeah. And we're gonna ask for all three. Yes, although our recommendation is that you give us the authority to kind of. Oh, mix and match. Mix and match a little bit with what we. Teller them, they ask to the individual. All right, yep. That sounds good. All right, any other. Who gets the wastewater treatment facility? Pardon? Who gets the wastewater treatment facility? Well, that's the energy efficiency. So you pick the one who's gun, how to do that. Yeah, so there's a lot of clean water. If you look back at past allocations, particularly with Senator Sanders, there's a ton of projects in Vermont, like this that have been approved in the past. It is $700,000 for the HVAC system. What we could most get out of this kind of ask is those are high energy using facilities. And I was just curious why the HVAC system was what was proposed as opposed to, and I don't know anything about wastewater facilities to be able to name the turbines or that I don't know what, but the things that use all that energy, that's the big energy sucker, as I understand. Sure, so when we were looking at, so it's a $26 million project coming down, we knew we wouldn't get a $26 million grant. So our goal was to sort of specifically tie this to energy efficiency, or is there something in the design that we can specifically pull out that would give us the biggest bang for the buck? And this is what was identified by our engineers. And they're one of the biggest users of electricity in the city, right? Our two wastewater treatment facilities, absolutely. But I don't think it's the HVAC though, I think it's the processes to clean the water and to filter and to, I mean, I don't know all that goes on, but in order to be able to put it back in the lake, I would think it's a pretty intensive process. All right, are there any other questions? So I don't think we made a motion too. I will move that we approve these submittals for the Congressional Directed Spending Requests as presented by Andrew Bulldick. The possible action in the packet says to move, but to consider authorizing staff to submit congressionally directed spending request applications. Is that the same to you? I second the motion that Megan made. That's what Megan meant. Cool, great. Second. Thank you. Moved and seconded. Any further comment? All in favor? Signified by saying aye. Aye. Excellent. Thank you, I'll let Alana know. Good enough. Tell her to push. Okay, moving on to item 13. These, this is a resolution about the city's motor vehicle and traffic ordinance, adopting resolution, establishing speed limits and sign placements for of the city requests. Essentially it's really updating and cleaning up our existing ordinances. Yeah, it's to restate and centralize what's currently on the books. So this, when council passed, well, I guess to go back a step in the city's kind of ordinance codification project, which is the, you know, I think all counselors are well aware maybe Matt, but this is something that's been ongoing since 2015, cleaning up South Roenton's motor vehicle and traffic regulation was by far the biggest project originally adopted in 1958. It's gone through 18 different amendments and it's never been centralized in any way. So when council passed in 2019 an updated version that was contingent upon though, going into effect when these regulations were fully resolutions were fully built out. So that's what we're coming forward with now is the restatement and centralization. And there are two resolutions in your packet, one speed limits and the other is for stop signs. Just a question with that, if it's all right. Sure. I'm gonna, I guess Helden's gonna, okay, should I just carry on? People are, please carry on. All right, then as the acting chair, I'm gonna let Tom, I think you had your finger raised. I'm gonna defer and I will share, save mine. I'll be quick. So when I first came on council so many years ago, I remember one Chief Trevor Whipple said that in confidence that there is actually nothing on the books that actually has a speed limit for Kennedy Drive. And as I was looking at this packet this weekend, I see that there's Kennedy Drive, Dorset Street to Williston Road. Okay, so that does apply. So it's not just Heinsberg Road and that has been corrected. So I, I'm definitely fine with this. I'm just glad that we have a speed limit on Kennedy Drive because I remember him telling me that in confidence and it looks like it's been corrected. Do you have any history on that? No, I don't. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. Any questions from Matt? No. The question I had is we got stop signs in my neighborhood and I remember there were, you know, the strips on the ground and my husband likes to joke that he sped specifically so that they would put stop signs in. Anyway, we got the stop signs and I think someone actually put, you know, in their request for stop signs. I've received many requests about having cars slow down in my neighborhood. Is it a number of cars that, where there's a threshold that would trigger that we need stop signs in a neighborhood or? Do you want me to go? Yeah, go ahead. Yes. So you have to get a, what would they call a warrant for a stop sign with a traffic study that's, you'll often hear Tom or Justin talk about the CCRPC doing that analysis for us on an annual basis. So we get requests for where a stop sign should be, we do the analysis. If it's warranted, we install it. Is it the numbers of vehicles or is it the actual speed at which a car drives over those strips on the ground? I believe it's a formula that combines both. Oh, okay. I don't know exactly what that formula is. Well, in any case, a big thank you. People are very pleased to have stop signs. Mm-hmm, good. Yeah. All right. Any other questions? Just to clarify for everyone watching at home, we're not adding stop signs or removing stop signs, we're not changing speed limits, we're just codifying it into this document. Okay, thank you. Right, and they're all listed in them. I'll move to adopt the proposed resolutions that restate and centralize the city's traffic control regulations already in place. Second. Any discussion? All in favor, signified by saying aye. Aye. Passes 4-0. Can I make one comment before you move on? Yes, you may. So thank you very much for that vote and allowing us to codify this very clearly in resolution as indicated in the ordinance. This is a new process for me. I've not seen this done before where councils resolve specifically stop signs. I think it honestly, it gets the council into a political position that's a no win for city councilor, stop signs. I would argue stop signs and speed limits really should be engineering evaluation and best practice implementation. So I would just like to float it out there not for any time in the future, but when this ordinance is updated, that it would be codified by the city manager in partnership with the public works director and keep the politics out of where we put stop signs in the city. Well, that's specifically why I asked the question. Yeah, because I think there was engineering behind it, at least, you know, and... So I'm not asking you to take any action, I'm just floating an idea that in the future we may come back and ask for reconsideration of that. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Item 14, discuss a set of proposed bylaws for the city statutory and policy advising committees. All right, that's me, yeah. So I'd like to start with just a few introductory comments if you'll allow me and this memo and set of draft bylaws is in your packet. I am not asking for any action on this tonight, I just wanted to start the conversation. I also wanted to start, I actually hadn't read it when we drafted these documents last week, but I read this morning, the guest perspective and the other paper last week about one of our committees. And I just wanna comment by saying, our neighbors are working really hard to have the debates of our time, to come together and have hard conversations about who we are and who we wanna be as a community. And I think it's really important that we as a community let folks have those discussions that we respect the good intentions of folks who are having those discussions and debates in our community. And I think we as staff and the council can do a better job kind of putting in place clear expectations and directions to facilitate those difficult conversations. So I guess I will leave it there for now. So what is actually before you, we have over 100 residents who volunteer their time on boards and committees in the community. We spend hundreds of staff hours a year staffing committees. And I think in order to make sure our committees are effective, aligned to council goals, doing the work that you want to see them do. And it's a valuable volunteer experience for others that we give them some direction about how to operate in one place. So most of what is included in these bylaws is codifying our current practice and just putting it again in that one place. I do wanna call out three things that I do think are changes to how we currently do business. One is codifying, these are few as well. One is codifying the development of the annual work plan aligned to the policy priorities and strategies. Two is ensuring that there's a staff liaison to every appointed policy board and statutory board of the council. And then three is creating a council liaison position. And this is really meant to not require you to go to a new night meeting every month, but really enable that connection between what the council's goals are and the works of the committee. So each advisory committee, this would only be for the advisory committees, not for the statutory committees, except for the planning commission that the chair would liaise to. You would not be voting members, you would not be expected to attend, but you would be expected to work with the staff liaison and the chair on the annual work plan, be a sounding board when the committee had a concern. And if the committees were bringing something directly to the council, help shepherd that through the process with the staff liaison. So those are really the changes that are outlined here. Again, I'm not looking for any action tonight. But wanted to get your thoughts and feedback and willingness to entertain, adopting something like this in the future. I just have two suggestions. And I'm not positive they belong in this, but I do believe that every committee, including the council, needs to be retrained on the open meeting law every year. And that's, I mean, you mentioned it, but there is a wonderful little training module that the League of Cities and Towns, and it might be worth our while to highlight that. And then the other thing is, there was a time when we were trying to work on really organizing orientation for all the committees. And that's not in here. And I, again, I don't know whose duty it is, but I think that's important because some committees do it better than others. And some of the committees, you enter into pretty intense conversations. And if you don't have an orientation, it can take quite a while to get up to speed. And we really want all of our committee members to feel like they can participate and really do a good job from the get-go and not have to spend six months, kind of like finally figuring it out how it works. Tom. I think we, and led by you, Helen, really, before the pandemic, we're doing a great job of getting the committees together, especially leadership, and I remember some meals events. I think the pandemic put a lot of this on hold, but we just need to restart it. So I definitely support that. And I love standardized bylaws. I remember Jen Kochman was a volunteer extraordinaire. She had bylaws for Wreck and Parks, and she always brought up how all the committees should have bylaws. I think this is a great approach. So having it across the board apply to all of our committees, so there's consistency, if there's moving around. And the Council liaison, that's a new concept. I'm not opposed to it. So I just would love more counselors just so we can spread the workaround a little bit, but that's a separate topic. That's right. I'm so interested in going to every Planning Commission meeting, because they don't meet often. Again, you're not required to attend every meeting. So that's not new. The chair being the liaison for the Planning Commission. No, that is new. That is new. Yes, that was new to me. But Council chairs often do speak with the chair of the Planning Commission. Oh, and I do speak with the chair. It is kind of making what's de facto de jureus, what it seems to me. No, I agree. I think that Jennifer would be out there cheerleading this on, and it's important for us to... I think it's a good start. And yeah, I don't know that I have any... I wish Jennifer were here to... She'd probably have a list of things to say, and I'm trying to think about what she would say, but nothing comes to mind. But this is a start, one of the next steps for... So, Councilor really, I'm so glad you mentioned the orientation. That is definitely an oversight, and I will build that into this draft. I think that is really critical, including the Open Meeting and not training as part of that orientation. So I think the next step is with your blessing, staff will spend a little more time just fine tuning this and making sure it works for all the committees, and then I'll bring it back to you at a future meeting for adoption. And I would love to do that by the end of May. So when we are bringing on new committee members for the end of June, we can tell them that there will be an orientation in July. Hear your bylaws. Here's what you're getting into, blah, blah, blah. Sorry? Based on past experience. Based on past experience, I think August might be a better timeline. I guess this is always a stickler with me. I am just the shall. What does the shall mean under Section 7 for conducting meetings? All members shall assume good intentions of their colleagues and should actively work to include all voices in the conversations. So what I mean by that, and I'm happy to entertain other wording is, again, going back to my introductory statement, I think that all of these committees are made up of our neighbors who are spending their personal time contributing to make our community better. And therefore, we should give folks the benefit of the doubt that they're there for well-intended purposes and that they are trying their best. To me, shall is a little stronger in that it's not when you agree with them, and you will do this, but even when you disagree with them, that you take it as that they are well-intentioned, even if you have different views on things. And then what was the second? Well, if I could just jump in there. Should actively work? Jesse, because you referenced the personal viewpoint in last week's other paper. And I think that it goes both ways, that people speak up because they believe that they are acting with good intentions. And I think in any healthy democracy, I mean, goodness, every campaign I've been through, it's definitely been a vigorous debate. And I've never heard anyone call anyone into order when that vigorous debate occurs. So I just be careful not to call people into order because I understand that there are moments where, boy, I just wish that that person would just take it down a few notches in terms of the energy or the tone of voice or the vociferousness in which they are, with which they're arguing a point. But the same point that you're raising here applies to what they're doing, that they are acting that way because they believe it's in the best interest of the city. So I just want that to be really clear. I guess what I intend, and a few of different wording, I'm happy to entertain it, what I intend is that there's a difference between having a very healthy, strong debate about a policy issue and assuming somebody's acting in their own unethical best interest. And I think we have an ethics policy for that. If there is a path forward, if a counselor, for example, feels that somebody who's appointed onto a committee is doing that to financially benefit, then we have an ethics policy to deal with that. That's where I see the line getting crossed. It's not that the strong, healthy debate is great. That's the whole purpose of community engagement. It's bringing the debate down to a, you are only doing this for your own personal gain, which I think is different than saying this would be a better policy for the city. Imputing motives, so to speak. Well, I think that is, though, something that we have to do as citizens as well. And I am not comfortable with removing kind of that role that we all should be playing. I think about policing, that the best, I believe, kind of situation is the neighborhood where neighbors look after one another. And sometimes, I'll just give an example. I'll use myself as an example, that there was a post put on the front porch forum about a young man who's knocking on doors, turning door knobs, opening, and the word casing was used. And so when I saw that happening on an early Saturday morning, I got alarmed. And I tried to be careful about my wording. And yet, when the police was in contact with me and informed me that they knew this individual and all these things, I could say, boy, I could have reworded that even better. And so I went on and revised where I could. And it's still an ongoing conversation. And so I think that just I'm not necessarily getting to my point as quickly as I intended. But the point is that we are all in a community working together. We raise concerns. Sometimes those concerns are saying, that's not necessarily a valid concern because blah, blah, blah. And then we revise. But I still think it's important for us to raise concerns, even if the person says, hold on. I'm feeling really, really accused of something unfairly. I think that that's OK. I think it's OK. And again, I think that there is we have to be mindful of tone. We have to be mindful of how we address sensitive situations. But we are not all 100% infallible. And so I guess the shell, I'm really, I am concerned about the shell. It's, I think, an ideal that we can work towards. But we are always going to be missing that goal. I mean, that's just the nature of human beings. Communication is one of the hardest things that we do. And misunderstanding happens constantly. And so I think that being offended is something that we all could probably say that has happened. And at the same time, offending is something we all probably could say we've done unintentionally. And so we just have to be accepting of that is what I'm trying to say. And we rely on one another to hold each other accountable. I think that that's important. That's part of democracy, too. I guess I appreciate what you're saying, and I understand what you're saying. But I don't think this language would result in a less rigorous debate. I think perhaps with orientation or training, we could look to a chair training that can help lower the tone or the voice but allow everyone to be included and also, at the same time, assume the good intentions of their colleagues. Because I think that's, I don't like assume. I would say, I really don't like it, Helen. I think that we have to hold each other accountable, too. And so it's like, trust but verify. I love that. I love that Reagan quote. And we have to hold ourselves accountable. And sometimes we act in ways where someone raises the flag and says, are you sure that that's legitimate? And then you're like, well, of course it is. And then you go home and you think, and you're like, oh, I can see how that could be perceived that way. So it's a learning process that we go through. So that assume, I don't like, no, do you remember? What was it? The Klinger, and they would write assume on the board makes an ass out of you and me. Do you know that show? Whatever it was with, not with Klinger, with, anyway, Klugman. And they were the odd couple, the odd couple. Anyway, I remember that was a long time ago. And so assume is a word that I would not use. Well, why don't you make some recommendations with other language for us to look at? Yeah. And I'm happy to trade some ideas, I think. I'm happy to, you know, consider another word. I think we're saying very close to the same thing, Councilor Murray, and I'm happy to rework the language and see if we can come to something that we're both comfortable with. Right, right. Any other comments? Just quickly, I love the idea of a liaison, someone on the committee, the committee chair that can report to it, just like we report on what our committees are doing, makes sense to me. The other bit is having the chairs meet. There's a level of responsibility with being a chair. You feel it once you're elected by your colleagues to be the chair, but there's some dialogue that I think could exist. Chair of the Planning Commission, Chair of the DRB, committees, energy, climate change, those chairs, ways that we can encourage them to have conversations outside of the, so they can know what each other are doing. I think that's helpful. Yeah, and I think that would advance some collaboration and coming together with. And again, that was pre-COVID where we did more. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it is hard to. Yeah. But I think that's a great idea. Yeah, we had like speed dating. Speed dating, yeah. Remember that, Helen? Speed dating. I've never done it, but I've seen it on TV. Well, okay, but where we'd go from committee. My freshman year was speed dating, I think. I've heard a lot about the committee speed dating event. Yes, yeah, it was really interesting. Okay, so I guess our conclusion then is we generally speaking like this very much. Great. Our positive, we gave some feedback and we'll look for a new version. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, discuss and the possible adoption of the FY23 policy priorities and strategies process. So again, I don't need to say a whole lot about this. I understand from the council that you appreciate or are least willing to give the policy priorities and strategies process one more go to see how it works again. So this outlines what that will look like for FY23. I would be honest, committees have already started kind of kicking off their review of FY22 and thinking about their FY23 recommendations. I think the next two years are gonna be a little interesting for this process because FY23 is gonna be very heavy with updating the comprehensive plan for all the committees. And then of course, when we, that will be adopted in the winter of FY24, which means the FY24 policies and strategies will span years. So that'll just make this process interesting. But you see, I'm recommending we follow the same outline. You see a timetable listed in the memo that I'm happy to walk through. Basically what the ask of you would be is to do another retreat on a Saturday in June. We're looking at June 11th or 18th to replicate what we did last fall. And we're also between staff are thinking about how we actually may use that day or part of that day to kick off the comprehensive plan process as well, specifically between the council and the planning commission. So more to come on that, but if at a minimum, if you are comfortable with this timeline, it would be great to have you adopt it so we can give formal direction to committees to start working. Okay. I would just prefer the 18th, personally. It's my 50th college reunion on there. Oh, that's a good reason to do the 18th. Glad you said it, because I'm on the 11th, I'm out of town too, so. Great. You need a motion? No, it'd be fun, Helen. Yes, please. Oh, go for it. I moved to approve this policies and policy priorities and strategies. Second. Okay, any further discussion? Okay, all in favor? Aye. Thank you, Jesse. I moved to convene as the South Burlington Liquor Control Commission in order to consider the following eco-beans, do I need to read them all? All listed. Second. Okay, all in favor? Aye. So we are now the Liquor Control Commission and we have one, two, I think just three, right? Three licenses. So nice to see the Parkway Diner back in, coming back. I didn't know they sold alcohol there. Pardon me? I didn't know they sold alcohol there. Maybe this is new. This is renewal. First class for the Diner, well. You're bloody Marys. Good morning. I moved to approve the eco-bean and greens, higher ground and Parkway Diner application. Second. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Signified by saying aye. Aye. I moved to come out of the South Burlington Liquor Control Commission Board. Second. All in favor? Aye. So we are out of the, we're no longer the Liquor Control Commission and we're going to, I guess I would, Tim's not here. Who's going to do the executive? I'll make a motion that the council enter to executive session for the purpose of discussing real estate transactions and evaluation and possible appointment of city commissioners or board members inviting in Andrew Bulldog and Jesse Baker. Second. Okay, that includes the lease, right? I mean, the added thing. Yeah, okay. It's been moved and seconded all, and we will come back from that to announce our DRB candidate, okay? So all in favor? Aye. Aye. So I would like to bring back to order the South Burlington City Council meeting of Monday, April 18th, 2022. I would entertain a motion for an individual to fill the existing opening on the DRB. So I will move that we appoint John Stern to the open position on the DRB. Any discussion? Okay, all in favor? Signified by saying aye. Aye. Aye. So that was completed for zero. Reports of counselors on committee assignments? Yes, Tom. I should have thought of this earlier. Oh, maybe it can be other business. I'm sorry, I'll wait till other business. Okay, I will just quickly say we had another climate task force and since I'm the liaison, I don't particularly comment, but I think we're really moving along and hopefully we'll have all of the work done on time. Good, so I'm liking what I see and they're working very hard and I think they're making a lot of progress, but we'll be very interesting. I'm happy to report is, I think in the May meeting, we will receive that all the metrics were based on the data from 2015 and people felt that that was so much that happened with COVID that it wouldn't be realistic. So we will get more up-to-date data and it'll go through 2019, right before COVID. They didn't wanna include COVID because so much travel, transportation was so changed, but to get the data through 2019 for the city of South Burlington will help define those goals and the metrics. So I think that's important and it's kind of reflected, I think, of how thoughtful the committee is. So that's my report. I have my task force report, if you like it. So we had a public hearing on the 7th and took testimony and then provided feedback to our consultant, Brandi Saxton, with the recommendation that in addition to what she drew up for that April 7th meeting that we include what she had included regarding affordability figures and what really affordability means with regard to the Chamberlain neighborhood and also what role Chamberlain neighborhood truly plays so that the Planning Commission can see the Chamberlain neighborhood as a neighborhood. So I thought it was a really good discussion. Our meeting, upcoming meeting this Thursday at seven o'clock should be here, I think, and I have to look on that agenda to confirm. But we are just gonna be finalizing that final report that will be sent off to the Planning Commission. So we too will be ending on time in spite of having a meeting canceled due to a snow storm. Well, tomorrow, is it tomorrow? Cause we have a snow storm tomorrow. No, it's Thursday. Oh, Thursday. Yeah, Thursday the 21st, yeah. The airport rezoning task force. Okay, Matt, do you have anything for? Meetings tomorrow morning for GMTA. So we'll let you know next time, right? Tell them I love their electric bus, Matt. Hi, what's the writing? Yeah, writing in it today. Pro Terra. That's the name. Okay. Pro Terra. So other business, Tom, you had an item. It's actually related to that. I just want to put another plug in. I would, as much as Matt is great in representing GMT really well, I really want to see John Moore sit before us and have the community be able to answer questions about what he sees for South Burlington service on the coming year or two. As I understand what the GMT board is looking at, maybe Matt can disprove this, but looking one, two, three years out, either our assessments gonna go up even more above 550,000 or they're gonna have some permanent service reductions. So I think it's important for us to hear from them. We used to hear from them once a year and make sure that the general manager knows that the second largest contributing municipality to their assessments really cares about public transit and wants to know what we can be doing in concert with them to expand public transportation in South Burlington and just making sure that we're part of their vision and thinking and that they know who's sitting around the table here over at GMT. I think that would be great because certainly I suspect one of the recommendations in the climate task force will be to increase service, which is a lot of money. So I mean, maybe that's how the city wants to spend its money, but we should have that conversation. I can make the ask. Pardon? I can make the ask if that's what the council wants to do. That would be great. And sooner rather than later, I think. I have to say that there are people taking the bus. So the South Burlington lines are being used. I just want that to be known. And I'm very grateful to have them. I can't imagine going back to my car. I've become really reliant on them. That's great. Okay. Any other business? I just have one thing, just a public announcement. There's no one really in the audience anymore, but now that the weather is warming up and the cool nights are enticing people to light fires in their backyard. I didn't mention this at the last meeting because I was kind of waiting to see what the person who brought it to my attention was gonna do. And I think she's gonna do something more individual with the fire marshal. But just to remind people out there that people like to sleep with their windows open when we get to the nice temperatures. And so from time to time, it's really nice to have a little campfire, but nightly, just keep your neighbors in mind and their wellbeing and moderation is always the golden rule, right? So that's it. Thank you very much. All right, motion for adjournment? So moved. Second. On favor. Aye. Good meeting, gang. Thank you. Thank you.