 Let's get it. It happenin' just like that. Yes, sir. Ha ha ha ha. Boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gon' talk, we gon' have fun. We be on fire, we be livid. It's a unique hustle, big shit. Big shit, big shit. It's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit. Big shit, big shit, big shit, huh. Name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy, E-C-E-O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing, official, Miss Jamaica. Wait. Well, go on. What's going on, man? Hey, man, this is a day that the Lord has made out. Rejoice and be glad in it, man. Yes, sir. Save, man. Check it, man. I got a guy here, y'all. He don't need no introduction, man. If you been to the rodeo, or if you been round some horses, he might just show up. We don't know yet, man. But we bout to get to know, right? Mr. J. Brown's in the build and the cowboy. Ball's one of the baddest cowboys on this side of the state of Texas, man. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Appreciate y'all for having me. Man, thank you for coming, man. Man, you one of them guys, man. You know, at the end of the day, you weird to me, because it's like, what is this man doing? You know, you little cowboy got to listen to the country. You know what I'm saying? You got to be straight, Jason Aldean, Darius Rucker, and all them other boys, or Tim McGraw, you know what I'm talking about? See, we're bringing a little bit of different twang to it, you know what I mean? Like, we don't. We mixing hip-hop and country. You can't even say that because DJ Chos just said that he branching off into the country, because his alter ego is, what's his other name? Norm and West. Norm and West. Norm and West. So he's branching off into that category. And he actually doing straight country. Right. You know what I mean? What I do is, it's just me. It's my lifestyle, you know what I mean? It's not something that I'm trying to do is who I am. I'm gonna rap about horses. I'm gonna rap about my life, the struggle, the come up, you know what I mean? Being at the NFL and being in the trenches with my guys and riding horses down the Boulevard, you know what I mean? Okay, so let our audience know a little bit about you. Can you say you're rapping about all these things, but we wanna hear about these things right now. Like, where you were raised? Cause you were raised in Houston, you said? Yeah, Southside. Southside. When were you introduced to horses? Your mom and dad, where you raised with both parents? How many siblings you have? The whole works. Go ahead. All right, so I come from the Southside of Houston, raised by my momma. I ain't been with my father until I was like 18, you know what I mean? Why? Yeah, he was locked up. Okay, the whole time from? I never even knew who he was. She never told you? Nah. Did she know? Yeah. Just check him, cause some women don't. Yeah, she know. Okay, so how did she tell you and, or did he just come find you and say I'm your daddy? I found him. But so who told you he was your daddy? My godmother. Okay, you went to her asking her? Nah, so like he said, I'm an interesting dude. Okay, tell me the story. Back then I used to do tattoos, and I was doing my honor tattoo. She was like, boy, how do you get to the more you look like that man, I'm like, I don't look like nobody, you know what I'm saying? Cause I ain't look like my mom or nobody in my family. She was like JP, and that's how I find him. She was like, when your uncle called you, I asked him about him, which my uncle was currently incarcerated for a murder case, and he was gone for like 20 years. And this is your mom's sister? I mean your mom's brother, I mean? Nah, this was the godmother's brother. Okay. So when he called him, I'm like, hey man, you know what I'm saying? Who is JP here? He kinda laced me up here, like we'll talk about it later on when I get out. I'm like, give him jail for a murder. I'm first going to talk about it. You know what I mean? So just so happened, he was getting out two weeks later. Wow, that's why he said that? Yeah, it was around Christmas, and he came home. I found his people before he came home. I looked just like him. Oh, so he was getting out two weeks later? Yeah. Oh, your dad? So how did you know that he was getting out two weeks later? How did you find that out? My uncle finally told me, he was like. Oh, he went on and told you? He was like, yo man, locked up, whoa, whoa, whoa. So he ended up getting out. I went and found him myself, and when I looked at him, I was like, damn. Then he looked just like me. Like a ghost. But hold on, so when did you tell your mom that you were inquiring about him, or that you even found him, or anything at all? After I had already found him. And met him face to face? Yeah. What was her reaction? It was just kind of like a aqua silence, and then we kind of just like bristled up in the road. You know what I mean? Like just being honest, because I mean, shit, I was already a man at the time. I had a baby on the way at 17. So I was doing my thing already. So how old were you when all of this transpired? 18. 18. Yeah. What did your dad say to you for the first time when you saw him face to face? Shit, he looked at me like I looked at him like, damn. He looked just like me. Oh, really? Yeah. He kind of tried to make up for, you know what I'm saying? Not being there and shit, but. How? How do you make up? You can't make up. It ain't no making up from that. But at the end of the day, you- But he was locked up though. So it's not like he had a choice at that time. Yeah, but he knew. So he's saying he could have, no, but you living with your mama, he couldn't just call you. Or write you. Man, I'm from the same neighborhood where that man grew up at, you know what I'm saying? They could have reached out to me some kind of way, you feel me like. But he probably didn't feel comfortable doing it, man. He might have felt like it was better. But he didn't even reach out to you so that you could just be who you are. And what if I feel like it was better if I didn't meet him at all? Then that would have been cool. He probably would have moved on cause you the one when found him, he probably would have left you be. Yeah, I'm just saying, you know what I mean? But it was a blessing because like, I was always curious why I had curly hair while I was like skiing and my people was dark. You know what I mean? What did he say to you? Like, he talked to you for about an hour or so? Or did he give you a day or what? Yeah, I mean I locked in with him cause like I wanted that bun, you know what I'm saying? So when he got out, I made sure I took him a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Shit, I pick him up every day. Let's go do this, do that. He's at the halfway house or something? Nah, he was out, complete. He had done this 14 years and came home. Wow. Did you, do you have a relationship with him now? So, so. Like I call and check on him. You know what I'm saying? Just to make sure he all right. You have other brothers and sisters on his side? Nah. Nah. Is he the only son? On him. Yeah. You're the only child with him? Yeah. That's probably, he probably don't know what to deal with it at when he was dealing with young. You all realize, man, me and B insecure in situation, they won't even say nothing. You know, we, we cave me in. You know that. And he comes from a different generation where you didn't talk about certain things. You know what I mean? Right. And then he'll. There's no excuse though. Nah. There's no excuse, but what can change him? And I learned that. I learned that from. That's it. From my husband is the fact that if you every day call him and say, I love you, even if you don't get, I love you back. You know, or just being there for him, it, you'll start to see his gradual opening up. But the difference is that you don't know how he was when he was younger. You can only hear stories from people around him, like how he used to be. You know what I mean? You think you know? Cause he's still doing the same shit. Yeah. But you still with forgiveness, you can change anything. Yeah. I forgive him and I love him to death. You know what I'm saying? But like, I can't change his situation until I change my own situation. There you go. So that's why I started what I'm doing now. You know what I mean? Riding horses and stuff so that I ain't got to be out here selling drugs and robbing people to, you know what I'm saying? Trying to pay bills. Like I sell horses. Yeah. That's heavy. That's heavy. When did you start with the horses? How old were you? So I always had a passion for them as a kid cause my people was from the country. Okay. And say the country where I was in. Bay City. Okay. 288 South, you know what I mean? And I ended up moving back to Houston after I got kicked out of school in Bay City. And... What you got kicked out for? I was a little fired up a little bit, you know what I mean? You used to fight every now and then? I used to have too. They thought I was light skinned. So they tried to pick on me. Oh so you was light skinned when you were lighter than what you are when you was younger? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. With curly hair. Yeah. You know what I mean? But like coming from this situation I just wanted to do something different. And I ended up running into a cousin of mine, the name Head. We was at the feast though cause we used to fight dogs and shit. Like man, Cubs, where you been? Cause we ain't seen each other like six years. Shit. We ended up going to the barn. I'm like, damn, this shit cool. You know what I'm saying? Like around some horses and shit. So we rode down to Boulevard for the first time. Like, man, I don't know what the hell I'm doing. And you've never ridden a horse at that time? No, I used to ride. Like I knew how to ride, but I didn't really know. You know what I mean? I used to ride in the field with my uncle now. Okay. Versus like actually being in control and then my own. So I started hanging with him and shit. I started learning how to break horses. You know what I mean? How hard is it to break a horse? Cause I watch a lot of Western and stuff like that. Cause I love the fact when people find stallions and stuff like that. And you know, they really can buck. Right. And you have to break that horse. Do you really take them in the water and all that good stuff? If you have to. There's certain ones that you gotta do certain things too. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like you might get one, you might saddle them up, he might ride off. You might get one. You can't even get close to him. You know what I mean? So you just gotta figure out how to get him to trust you. And that's the part of patience. How long did it take you to have one that I seen you getting out that truck and you was messing with him? How long did it take you to get him from there until you riding him and roping that calf with him? Oh, it took about, I say about four months for me to be able to start really roping on him like around the pen. How long did you stay around him all day? Like when you get up? Yeah, I was wondering. Man, we spent hours. Like, did you take the weekends off or did you go out there like daily? Ain't no days off when you got horses. So you basically dealt with him every day? Yeah. Until y'all got to where y'all. And four months. Yeah. When did you see that breaking point with him? Or you felt like, oh man, he's been in the trust with you. Probably by the third week. The third week? Yeah. Then why it took four months then if it took the third week when he started trusting you? No, you can just jump on the ride. When I say four months, I mean for me to be able to be roping on him. Roping on him. Just take him out on the streets comfortably without him bucking and doing nothing crazy, you know what I mean? But as far as riding him, shit, I bought him in Lufkin. That's the eight hour ride back to Houston. That wind whooped his ass. So by the time we got back to Houston, I put a saddle on him and he was rode the first day. Oh, okay. Oh, you rode in the first day? Yeah. Did he buck that day? I know he bucked. He bucked, you gotta throw it off? No, not that day. I ain't gonna lie to you. The first horse that bucked me off in like seven years cause like I had a little thing with by myself. Like I can't be thrown. You know what I'm saying? But the first day he didn't do it, but he'd do it another day, why? You would think that the first day he would do that. Cause he called me relaxed. He know you too, right? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And he was rich. I had been feeding him good alfalfa and stuff. Next thing you know, shit, I saddle him up trying to, well really I was out there with Jazz Prince and we was talking noise or what up. I saw him in it. So he saw you fell off that horse? I've never been thrown so hard. This horse threw me in the air, maybe do two flips, one going up and one coming down. Did you break anything? No, not that way, not by that. He laughed. He laughed his ass off. I can't imagine. See, I laid there for a minute. He ran over there, you all right? I say, man, oh yeah. Man, you know, just to be able to have that freedom, that peace, that's a peace man. To be able to, you know, it's like fishing. To be around horses and to be around, I know the feeling because I've been around stuff, but I never, I'm a country person so I understand that that's a different type of lifestyle than a lot of people will ever experience. And that bond is real? Yeah. That you can have with that horse? Very real. Like they know you just the same way how you know him. Man, a horse gonna know you when you walk up, he gonna know your truck by the time you're out bond and all like, they get to know who you are. Yeah. And then there's a special bond that you grow with that horse, especially if you train him yourself. Like I've never had the luxury to go by a $10,000, $15,000 horse, I always had to break my own. So it's cheaper when you get a wild horse and break it. Yeah, it might be cheaper, but what is going to cost you if you don't know what you're doing? You know what I mean? And I just had the luxury and the drive that I wanted to learn more about these animals. So I went way beyond where the people around my neighborhood was going. You know what I'm saying? Like I wanted to obtain the knowledge to be one of the best of the best. Yeah. So I ended up buying a gray horse, Bonnie Parker, that was like my baddest horse that I had at the point of time. And what is a gray horse? Like it's the great color of the horse. Yeah, that's the color. Is that like a category of a horse? Like what would you call that? That would be like the bomb horse, like. Nah, it's just like color. You know what I mean? But some colors go for more people like certain colors. And so where does that gray one fall in the category of? It fall in the top four. OK. You know what I mean? Because you got ronds, you got palamines, you got dunes. Palamines is the one that I love. Yeah. You know, you got grays, saws, bays. It's all kind of different horses, you know what I mean? And your most common going to be like your saw or a bait. Right. But your grays and your ronds, if you got a good one, that's your money. Yeah, when they had Bunby had hit all that at the rodeo, was you there that night? Nah, I wasn't. What? Nah, nah. How you miss that, man? You got to ride with the people that you, you do both. So you rap and you rodeos and that. When I was actually at another rodeo out of town. Oh, OK. Did you like, dang, I missed that one. But you knew you was going to miss it? Yeah, I knew I was going to miss it. Damn. I ain't going to miss it this year. You ain't going to miss it this year? Is it going to be the same, though, like they going to bring some artists in? Hopefully they got me up there. Hey! That's true. So I got a one question about horses. Go ahead, I'll let you go. Is there still such a thing as wild horses out there, like people can like find a wild horse that belongs to no one and roaming the valley and you can try to catch it? Yeah, like in the mountains and stuff. Yeah, like in the movies. Yeah, but I mean, it's not suggestible for you to go try to catch a wild horse like that. Why? Unless you got a group or a crew that know what they doing. Because they usually go in with a herd. You might run into some wild hogs and try to find some wild horses. You going to run into more than that. I want to be out there running into wild stuff. Have you ever seen some wild horses? I've been to Albuquerque, New Mexico. I've been up to Utah. I've been to a lot of places, you know what I mean? I go to Arizona a lot and rope with Lane, Cigars and Caesar Delacruz, these some pro guys and they take me out on mountains and stuff and like you can actually see a bunch of wild mustangs just running through the wild, you know what I mean? You try to stay out that way, though. Nah, that would be my goal is to catch one of them. She watched the movies, though. You know, there's a movie, there's a movie that she in the movies right there. And break him. You got to know, now her mind is in the movie. She see it. But what she's saying, it's not impossible. But if you catch one and break him, how much would one of those worth compared to all these other horses? It all depends on the horse and how good he becomes and how much you value him. You know what I mean? Like I bought a young horse that I'm riding now for like $2,500, you know what I mean? But he was wild. Like he had never been touched. But now I want like $20,000 for him. You know what I mean? You would depart, you selling? Yeah. Yeah, I flip all over. You don't get attached to these horses? I do, but shit. At the end of the day. Like your breed? It's a business. My breed come first. Oh, really? I mean, I don't need no manners. I need the cheese and the breed. Let's talk about the music, man. Like you different from all the other artists around you. I see you with slim thug. I see you hanging out. I see you taking pictures with J Prince. I mean, so, I mean, where do you fit in this dynamic when it come down to the music? Man, what I've always preached on and been around real gonna recognize real and it's gonna always come together. You know what I mean? Just how we came together. Yes sir. But I've been around from J Prince them for a long time. That's love. Yeah, I mean, me and Jazz, we got a brother like relationship, you know what I mean? I taught him how to rodeo, how to rope, tie. He got fucking down that $300,000 worth of horses that he's going right now. He love it. Yeah. And that's the cold part, cause once you start something, it's just like anything else. You get attached and you start buying like cars, nigga. I'm gonna get that one too. I'm gonna get that one too. Got the hell to be. So when you, I mean, did you, you and him, so he break them too or he don't break them? No, no, no, no. He ain't like you. I mean, he can ride, he gonna rope, you know what I'm saying? But as far as breaking, that would be like my job. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Bro, I got you. Watching it, watching it makes sure everybody okay. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How dangerous is it like, like when you get out here at these different events and you do stuff cause people can get hurt doing this. I mean, like I say, it's all on the horse that you riding honestly, you know what I mean? Me, I wouldn't take no any horse to know any event for people to ride. Yeah, right. He gonna have to have thousands of miles on him. You know what I mean? From me riding him on different rides and doing different events on him, you know what I mean? But like, you know, I didn't see him, people get hurt. I done been hurt myself. What's the worst injury you've seen? Somebody getting kicked in the head. Damn. And they didn't die? Oh, it was a lady, she was at a trail ride. Oh, a lady? Yeah, she fell off her horse and uh. And the horse came down. The horse got spooked and kind of ran off and when he ran off he kicked in the face and he dislocated her whole face and knocked the eye out. Did she get it fixed? That I didn't follow up on, but I seen the incident. But it can do a lot. Horses are, how much is horse weight? Anywhere from 800 to 1,300 pounds. Yeah. So have you ever seen a horse that, you know, he, his, want his leg break, you got to put him down. Yeah. That's sad occasion right there. That's a cowboy move right there. What do y'all do with it? What do y'all do with it? You know what I'm saying? Got to put him down. Free him or do y'all let the vet come and pick him up? What happens? Most likely like, make some soap. No, you can't do that thing. I'm just going in. They got to be allowed to go to the sofa. Oh, okay. You know what I mean? Oh, you make soap out of soap. Oh, soap. Oh, man. Yeah. That's where it come from. That's it. Yeah. You just be laughing down with it, don't even realize. I'm just going to start using water from it. Nah, but most of the time you're going to bury them. You know what I'm saying? Like if you got a tractor or a backhoe at your place or something, you know what I mean? You're going to dig a hole for them. Bury them? Yeah, same process. Is there a horse cemetery somewhere? I don't know. Well, no. I know why I blew yonder. They got in the past as I know that. Yeah, so going back to the music, I know she dove back in a little bit, but going back into the music, man, I seen you with slim thug. I mean, have you ever did any music with any of these? Not shit. We've been in talking, you know what I mean, about doing some stuff. I actually got a new record I would code for. Okay. And code for is big in the country rap world. You know what I mean? One of the originators. Yeah. Which I lost to him. How did y'all do that? How did y'all come up with it? Man, he heard a record that I just made and Larry had kind of put it together. You know what I'm saying? What's the name of the song? Friday Night. Friday Night. What happens on Friday Night? You got to hear some. It's gonna be a damn good time. Already? Yeah, yeah. What kind of beers do a cowboy drink? All of them, whatever. Any kind they got around? Do you dip skull and all that stuff? No, no, no, no. I thought all cowboys do that. No, not all. Not all of them. And too strong and stuff. No, no, no, no, no. You know what this, the TV stuff. I'm still me, you know what I mean? If you get what I'm talking about. So, okay, so you, all cowboys, supposed to be able to, like, if this world, all electronics, shut off. Everybody running around don't know how to survive in the wilderness. You supposed to know how to do everything, do you? Yeah, me personally, yeah. But not all of them do. Not all cowboys do. I ain't no damn cowboy, but I'm gonna eat and have a good time. I don't have to be no cowboy. I'm country as hell. We didn't have nothing. They just come with survival skills. Yeah, I mean. Just check it out now. I'm gonna make something to eat. You'll be surprised what a person can do when he pushed. Nah, for sure. You'll be surprised what everybody got in them when you push. You don't even have to be a country. If you be somebody up there to make, they had a black dude in Michigan that so I think they say he made water out of air. Yeah, I saw that. Until they got, they messed his machines up and everything. It messed my head up. Yeah, like the earth just boom and then the water came out. Because he's making some people lose money. That's why they messed it up. The black dude made water out of earth, vaporized booze, he got a bottle of water. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. No, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I had to look it up. Somebody sent to me, I couldn't believe it. I said, hell, it's all right here. And then, you know, I think. Evaporation. Yeah, the water started, you know, people didn't buy water no more. So guess what? They got him out of there. I'm being real. People don't wanna hear that. They not trying to get that you just mess up these water sales for them. I see. They took them a long time and fool y'all in the thing and y'all needed water out of a bottle. Thanks. Yeah. So, hold on, can we jump into the rap, but you didn't tell us why you got into the rap. Cause you were doing the horse, how old were you when you said, okay, I'm going, I'm going to rap. So the music, I kind of been back and forth with it my whole life. Okay. But I never really took it serious. Everybody used to freestyle around the table like with, say a few bars here and there. And they were like, man, why you don't go make a song about horses? So I finally did. And at that time, my brother had got locked up. My brother in the phase for 22 years. Wow. And he was actually the rapper. You know what I mean? Like this was his dream. So for me to help him, you know what I'm saying? Live out his legacy. Like I started rapping. 22 years. How long he's been in there now? He been in there about four years now. So when his first happened, how did it affect you? As your brother? It really hit me being the time that he had this time, but like my brother being back and forth for getting out of jail. You know what I'm saying? True. But when he got this time, it was like, damn, you know what I'm saying? He's younger, older. He's older. Did he have any music out before now? He was working on dropping it, but he had. He didn't get to drop it. Man, my brother had probably 300 songs just ready to go. You don't ever do something with him? Remix or do anything? Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. So you can, so he can push it out. If he ever get out of lockdown and I'm in the studio whenever he call, we can push it out. No, I'm talking his, so he has to do that. I'm talking like his music that he already has. Can't you remix it and you jump on there at like a feature and then so you can push it out? Do you have access to it? Them files gone with that phone. That's right. Oh, when it all went down, it went down. You know, when he go down, he go to taking people electronics around his own. Yeah, that's crazy. Well, like I said, with you and you, you see Slim, you see Lil' Kiki. Who would you wanna work with to cross that music over with the country rap to that you feel like it would sound good? As far as out of Slim and Kiki? Not just Slim and Kiki, you got all kind of people, a litany of people over there. Choles, you got Sauce Walker, you got all type of people, you got a lot of people to pick from in Houston or just period. Yellow Beads, it might even do one, which he sound country, obviously. Man, bro, I'm really open to working with all of them guys. You know what I mean? Like I wanna do some of Choles because he's actually tapping into that market and he's from the country. He from Brooklyn, Texas, you know what I'm saying? You like to do some with DJ Choles? For sure, for sure. Have you ever rocked out with him and talked about it? Man, we didn't talk to Choles like probably like two years ago when I first started, you know what I mean? But like since I kind of grew my fan base, we hadn't really got back in touch with each other. What's going to happen? For me and Slim, we've been kind of in contact, you know what I'm saying? We've been working on something with this H-Time Boy, like me remixing. I'm trying to get Slim on the show. I had never interviewed him yet, but it's coming. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's just a matter of time. H-Time gonna rock with you. I'm working, man, but I'm working, man. I'm working to make sure they understand. I'm here? Yeah. Your boy, Boss Talk 101 is in the building. Oh, go ahead. No, you go. No, so I'm curious, but in order for me to ask these questions, I'd like to bring up Larry. What up, Larry? Hey, man, guess who in the building, man? Hey, y'all seen him on here before, man? He's here, man. Larry Hoover Jr. is in the building. Yes, sir. Boy, I know how to intro him, boy. You know, I should have been on back in the days. I should have been bringing out Price Is Right. What's that up, boy? Here's Johnny. Johnny, I could have brought out Johnny. I could have brought out, what's that name, boy? Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. That was Price Is Right. What was his name? Bob Barker. I could have brought out Bob back in the days, man. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah, I'm just sounding too black, though. Yeah. Okay. How you doing, Larry? Man, I'm all right. How you doing? Oh, no, we got to get you right. No, you didn't tell me how you doing. Say that again. That's, I said, oh my God, how you doing? I'm just sounding a little better. Yeah. Man, I'm doing all right, man. Just happy to have you, man. Back in Texas, man. Do you make that trip a lot? Yeah, I'll come here quite often. Yeah, it's just good to have you, man. Hey, I've been coming here for a long time, too. Oh, yeah? Man, I'm glad that we started Boss Talk. Yeah, we got it next time. Boss Talk 101 jumped off, and me and Larry Hoover Jr., I just, bam, like this is my guy, like what? Something, I'm a check on him. That's just, some people, now I deal with a lot of people, but it's one or two of them, I'm gonna be like, man, where you at? What you got going? It's gonna be a nose at the same time. Yeah. Just wanna make sure everybody good. Yeah, so the question I wanted to know is how did you link up with Larry? How did y'all, you know, get connected and got into music together? Good question. I had kind of been around Larry, you know what I mean, a while, but without directly being around him. Okay. Explain. Through my brother. Yo, brother. Like he would always tell me about, you know what I mean, bruh and mama and it was like, man, you need to make the connection. So I was with Jazz Prince at a ride at turkey leg hood with Lynn. Okay. And ended up running to Larry and Shanique and he heard my music. But this the part you'll understand. Okay. That's the turkey leg hood. It's a vegan barbecue spot. So I was at the vegan barbecue spot and there was some people back there with the horses. Okay. Then he found me. So you were trying to be nosy and went back there looking? I mean, I'm just looking around. I seen Jazz out there. And I guess Jazz said, you know what I mean, that's me and he came and spoke to me and somehow he lured me over to the truck and played some of his music and I'm like, man, this is different. I like this though. I don't even know how to categorize it because it's something I ain't never heard. So I'm sitting there like, man, I think I can do something with this. Maybe get it to some people to, you know, get away I need to be. See if we can't do something. And I just, you know, said, let's see if we can do something. And he like, let's see. Let's talk about it. Okay. But indirectly we was around each other because I knew his brother. I didn't know him yet. Right. And then when I met him at that point, I didn't know that that was his brother. Right. That's what I was wondering. Because you didn't know, well, you knew at the time that your brother knew him, but you didn't bring up his name during that time to say, hey, I'm such and such brother. Yeah. Okay. So when did you find out? Later on that day. Oh, that same day. Okay. Okay. So let me ask you a question. So you manage him? Yes. Okay. So is he your first artist? No. No. I had artists years ago. Okay. We had a label a long time ago. We didn't know, we didn't go far with it. Okay. You know. What happened? We didn't know what he was doing. But it's trial and error. Yeah. Okay. So, okay. I love the fact that you said that because there are a lot of people who jump up and want to start a label because they find somebody who is a gem. And what exactly should a person know that's starting a label? Like, cause you've had trial and error during your time. So what can we learn from what you know? Patience. Yeah. Let's go take patience. You need to, you know, get all your ducks in the rolls as far as your paperwork and your affairs when you're doing your business and all. Let's go take a couple of dollars and the less money you had, the longer it's gonna take. Oh, that's true. And we going to slow rap. But I would always think that the determination and being in the right rooms can also outweigh that dollar sometime. Hey, that's the blessing we have. See? We know a few people. You know what I mean? Yeah, because then if you're putting in the right place and people hear your vision and hear the talent, they'll be like, okay, well, I'm willing to, you know, whether invest or help or, you know, put you in the right direction. Yeah, yeah. So how long have y'all been working together? Yeah, and I have almost two years now. Wow. Yeah. How has he been doing? He great. Yeah, he didn't, he really helped me out a lot. You know what I mean? As far as even on a personal scale, I just do life because like, I knew I had to tell it. And I knew, like, damn, I should be in the rooms with these people. And like, bro, you gotta be patient. God got something for you that you can't see yet. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. And me just being hardheaded, like, nah, bro, I'm ready to go now. Like, I need to be up there. And it's just like the embrace that he give me is like, it's more literature and helpful for me in the future and long run because I wanted to run a race instead of running the marathon. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I got music that should be around for the rest of my life. It's not just gonna be here for this year. But how did you learn that? Because I'm sure that, just like how you said, you were stubborn and hardheaded. At first, you don't get like that. You know what I mean? It takes time. But what happened? You know, what did he say to you? How did he get through to you? Because all the times managers and artists bump head because you want it done one way and he wants it done one way. Y'all don't ever see the same way. It's called faith and belief in God. You know what I mean? And he always preached that to me. Like, you got to have faith. That's good. And understand like Larry is a phenomenal dude. Like, especially helping you to understand things. You know what I mean? And my understanding was a little fucked up at the point in time. And being that we've been growing together, I got a lot more understanding. I worked on my attitude and I got gratitude. So it made me a lot more humble and understanding that J. Brown going to be J. Brown regardless, but J. Brown has to have patience in order to grow to be that superstar that everybody sees that he can be. You know what I mean? You can't get nowhere with a bad attitude. What's your goal for yourself in the next, I want to say by next year, because it's about to be 2023 in a minute. The goal for next year, I want to... Because you see the pace that y'all been taking for two years now. What do you expect for 2023? This next project is like, I think it's phenomenal. And... What's the name of it? You know it? I haven't got a name yet. And I was going to call it Billy the Kid, but I'm going to wait on that. You know what I mean? It's kind of up in the air. Because like Billy the Kid being like, I came and stole the rap game. Right. You know what I mean? And the country lane at the same time. So, but I hadn't really just finalized the decision yet. But this next, like my single with Cole Ford, this is like one of the most phenomenal records that I think I've done. Hmm. Yeah. But you know, that's every artist. Every artist always thinks that their newest project is always their best. Yeah, but I... What makes this one so special? I did myself. You outdid yourself. You surprised? Yeah. How many songs are you going to have on this project? I'm going to have 10 songs on that project. How many have you already done? You finished all of them already? Man, he got projects. I got a hundred songs in this phone right now. Already? So he can keep making music. You can make projects off of what he got already or take the new stuff. Just keep on working. But you know how artists be like, no, these right here is just not the time for these. These are... I've heard that so many times. I'm like, it's good. Why haven't you put it out? No, it's not the time yet. And they've been trying to explain to me is like, this depends on the what's in style of what people are talking about. You can't put something out that is not relevant right now. So to say, are people not going to gravitate to it? That's what they've told me. Do you believe that to be true? Kind of sort of. Some people may cope for, cope followings with just their style of music. You know what I mean? With what they bring to the table. You got people that have whole audiences that is not listening to whatever these people feel like is it right now? So it just depends. You know, we can be in either world. We kind of, we kind of in a weird space, but it's good. Would you do both rap and country? That's what I'm doing. It is. That's what they're doing. But obviously they're asking about this rock and roll country style that y'all trying to get into. What's going on with that? Man, it's working. Talk to me about it. So I got this new record with Cold Four Friday night. Okay. I did myself to be honest with you cause normally I'm rapping. Like I'll do a little harmonizing, you know what I mean? But this one here is, it's like actually country. And it's a good feel for everybody across the world. It's not just for one group of people. You know what I mean? Like it ain't just for rodeo people. It ain't just for the urban. It's a feel good song that everybody can go out on Friday night and get drunk and have fun on. Wow. That's the one thing a little about country. You can go count to me. You can go parking lot, pimping. You can do that. Do people count to you? I'm a country boy. Is that real? No, when I hit him with that, they didn't know what happened. I didn't know about count to you. Why would people count to you? Cause you walk out on a cow. Now he sleeps at night and you get close to him. Have you ever count to you? I'm a country boy. See, you got to understand that. You know what I'm saying? That cow is heavy. How do I take over that cow? Hey, hey, hey. You just have to be there to see it. See, I told you I was country. You tried to play me in the, oh, you ain't coming in. I think you just started to move me. You like mess you up. No, you ain't seen it in the movie. I seen it in the movie. You did? No, not me, not me. I ain't gonna lie. I did not see it in the movie. I experienced it in real life. In real life. How many people does it take to tip a cow? Oh man, you can do it. You just got to go out there. You need to go out there and do it. No, answer the question. And since you know, answer the question. How many people? I'll show you one night. See, he still don't want to answer. If you're a real cowboy, it only take one. You on your horse. There you go. But I'm just saying I'll take you out there one night. We ain't gonna use no horse. Me and you. I don't care. You know what I'm doing? You gonna run with them to push the cow? I don't know. You can experience things at least only once and say you did it. All right. Wow. So, I'm Peter gonna be at the front though. Same man. So, Demo Bulls, I took my wife one night and she made me go. She forced me into some spot. For a stock yard? For a stock yard. We out there cows. Because I wanted to go to the rodeo, but we didn't have the rodeo that night, so I didn't get to go. They have a Friday and Saturday over there. See, I didn't know that. We only end up seeing them, you know, do the cows. I mean the bulls. Yeah, roping. That was it. I loved it. I'm sorry. I love it. He hated it. I didn't hate it. It just over Friday night, I got something else to go do. Let me tell you, we are totally different, but we're the same. Like, I will go hiking. He will not. He'll like. Give me a bike or a motorcycle. You know what he'll tell me? No, he'll tell me, oh, that's the white side of you coming out. No, I'm going to be real with you. I'll go hiking if it's on my land. Like, back in the days when we used to be on your land and you just going and walking through the woods and when I was younger, it's ours. But just hiking through something that I don't belong to me, don't. I want to go camping. I want to go hiking. I want to do all that. I can't say that because I didn't, I done been hiking. You like to hike? I done been camping. It looked like it'd be cooler to just ride horses through, you know, just through like long ways like they did on movies. That's how I feel. I want to do all of it. I don't just think I want to go walk six miles up. Yeah, I want to do it. Yeah. Nah. You like the more drones? I rather fly a drone up there and bring it back and I'm good. And you can see what you did. Yeah, I'm good. No, no, no, when you say hiking. Take a good look at it from there. Yeah, bring it back. No, I don't want to walk through a field. I just drive me to the mountain bottom and let me climb up and then come back down. What? Really? Yeah. I want to see the view. Hike up the mountain to climb up the mountain. Which one? Hike up. OK, hike. My climb. It's both called a climb, but it's an actual climb and it's a. That's right. I do both. No. So you really going to take this thing to whole level when it comes down to Contra route? Yeah. Real tall? Yeah, it ain't. I'm going to go the biggest thing we can get, man. I like it. Like I'm trying to get to the top with jelly roll and struggle and. You know what I mean? The Jason Aldean's, the Lee Bryce's and. I love Jason. Even probably do a record with like Breelan or somebody. You know what I'm saying? Like, that'd be dope. You serious about it? Ain't no turning back now. All the way into D. I'm too far in. I like it. I like it. You know, I asked him everything about himself. So Larry, what do you expect from him in the next year? Because he told me what he expect, but what do you expect from him? Just none of the growth. It's always, that's all we're looking for is growth. Just keep going, bigger and bigger, further and further. Wow. So when you think about just, I heard you doing shout outs now. What you got going on? Doing shout outs. Something a little shout out. Oh, you talking about on cameo? Yeah. Yeah, I'm on cameo, man. Oh, yeah? Sitting out happy birthdays and happy anniversary and, you know, whatever else. Positivity? Straight positivity. They might want me to say something a little crazy. I don't know. They might want me to call a friend and say, how you staking ass doing? Let me see. So what do you, I mean, let me ask you this too, man. How's your dad doing? Man, he doing good. He's on eternal optimism. OK. You know what I mean? So he, we're just waiting to get a response on the last thing we turned in. OK, OK. That's dope. I just had to ask about him because, you know, we talked about him so many times on the platform and I know the people watch. So just to know that he's OK. You know what I mean? Yeah. To know that you guys, you know, he hanging in there. That's what that's big. He's strong. Still fighting. My dad used to tell me, man, I'm tough. Even to the day he died, that's what he told me. Even to the day he, you know, when he had that surgery and he didn't make it through, man, I'm tough. Or, you know, it was always that. So it's something about your dad and being able to, you got your dad, man. No matter what the situation may be, you still got your dad. Yeah. That's big. That's huge. You know what I'm saying? So do he be working out in there? No, at this point, he don't do much. He used to, you know, do a bunch of jumping jacks and push-ups and stuff, but he's 72. OK. That don't matter. My mom was 75, 76. Don't play. She's working out. She gets up and she walking, she do her little exercise. She be on the ground doing, trying to do some crunches and stuff. Yeah. But no, he don't do much working out. He used to. You got to try to stay fit. You got to. So, you know, like I said, any time you look around, you look at these different situations going on. We've been seeing your friend, Kanye, that's your boy. Because I've seen y'all, you know what I'm saying? On drinkshams together, I got to bring this up. Yeah. It's a lot going on with Kanye right now. You know, you might link to Kanye, so I get to talk to you. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, what do you think when you see all the different things going on the antics that whether he said or whether people are talking, what do you think about that? You know, I don't know where he's going with everything that he's doing, but, you know, everybody's entitled to an opinion and they point of view on how they want to go about things. I don't have to agree with everything that he does. You know, that's just how it is with humans. I might not agree with everything you do and you might not agree with everything I do. But, you know, still, I love Kanye, regardless. For him, for you and him in a way, I didn't mean to cut you off for what you guys experienced together. You could never not love Kanye to be the type of dude that go to bat, you know what I'm saying? And to say the things that he said on your father's behalf and just family. You know what I mean? You don't turn your back on stuff like that from my point of view. But, you know, some people do. Some people got different ways of looking at things for popularity, but I got a heart, man. My heart, it really is real. You know what I'm saying? Thanks. I love seeing Kanye in that lucrative position. You know what I'm saying? That he, and to be able to say whatever. Of course, you know, yeah, you might not agree with everything but to be able to say whatever you would like to say. Some people would not be able to say some of the things that he said and not be pushed to a point where you can't even, you wouldn't even. Black ball you. You wouldn't even see him no more. But, I don't think Kanye is that black ballable. When you look at the financial standpoint of Kanye, where's man, but I'm definitely always praying for him. And I know he'll be okay. See, I keep watching, because I keep thinking that, you know how people do things because they have something else planned? There's an ultimate motive to what you're doing. And I keep looking and I'm like, okay, I know something's coming up. I'm like, have to be something coming up. So that's what I'm trying to figure out. Do you think it's something coming up? Or do you think that he's just talking his mind? You know what, I just sit back and see what happened. I'm not even trying to figure it out. Not trying to figure it out. I'm just gonna, you know, let him do what he do. That's the best thing to do. That's why, and the reason it's why is because he's helped a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, we can't deny that. He's helped a lot of people. And a lot of times, I'm gonna tell you something. You can do, I heard Powell say this, you can do a hundred and one things for people, two, three hundred things for people. But you turn around and that one thing that you do that somebody don't like, they forget about all 300 of the things that you did that was cool. You know what I'm saying? They forget about the cool 300. That's sad work. And they only focus on the one thing. I heard Powell say something like that. And I was like, he's so right. And I'm pretty sure that they experienced this stuff. You guys experienced this stuff when people, you know, they depend on you and they want you to do this or that and you don't do it. They don't care a family hell with you too. Them the ones. I love my family because I know they gonna give it to me raw. You gotta make it better too. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. My kids, they want what they want. You know what I'm saying? When they want it. They still love you, but you messing up. You know what I'm saying? So just, man, thank you so much, man. It's crazy, Jay, that you in this world win, man. And I'm gonna be riding with you. I appreciate it, man. I might have to come down there and get you to, I ain't been on a horse in years. I might have to come down there. I want to go ride. And yeah, I might have to come down there. Me and Miss Jamaican ride and do an interview with you on them horses. You know what I'm saying? Get me one that's broken real good. I don't need them to be spooked. Are you gonna bring him up here? I got a couple of partners up here that got some horses and I bring mine up here. Oh, okay. Yeah, and then we'll ride out and we'll talk and I have a camera guy to ride with us. He might not like it. You might put him on a gator or something. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that way you can just record and get his angles the way you want to, man. Cause that'll be live cause I ain't done nothing like that. I like to do new stuff. You know what I'm saying? That'll be hard. Let's make it happen. Already. Would you give me a little bit of one of your songs? Oh yeah. Hold on for a minute. Now, you know, I told you if this happened, what we gonna do to you? What's going on? He already, he already. He gotta give you something country and then he gotta give you something ghetto country. Right. You know what I mean? I need a little bit of both. You gotta give him a little something. That's fine. I'm gonna start out with you. Do you want a beat or you want just acapella? Man, I just do acapella. Okay, go ahead. So we're gonna start off with Friday night. All right. And that out on Friday night, trying to have me a damn good time. This old school Chevorado never let me down. Taking shot straight out of a bottle, need another round. Ain't gotta wake up in the morning. We gon' turn this place out. God damn. Ah, yeah, baby. And you don't even sound like how you sense. Oh, yeah, baby. Yeah, so it's going down. So then I come back with like stock show, you know what I'm saying? Just wrote a $50,000 horse at the stock show. Probably fuck a bad bitch at every roadie, yo. They been hating on the kid, but they don't want smoke. You can pick your choice of poison, a head or foe. I'ma rope my calves. I'ma talk my shit. I'm a self-made player. I ain't worried about a bitch. Pull up at the trail, right? Who you with in the mix? Yeah, I'm country, but I mign it, so don't never get it twisted. Dang. I ain't bad. I gotta ask you about just the visuals on some of the songs that you've already created and what inspired those things. So let's talk about, let's do a rundown of some of the stuff that you've enjoyed making for us, the visuals. Give me your favorite. As far as visual-wise, I do this stuff just out for my real life, you know what I'm saying? Whatever you hit me rapping about, is what I'm doing in real life. And that's how I'm putting my, I'ma paint the picture exactly how it's going. You know what I mean? Like from the trail rise stuff, with the $50,000 horse, like I was telling you about Bonnie Parker. I bought the horse for $4,000 at the end of the deal, but I sold her for like 30, you know what I'm saying? So it wasn't that she was actually worth $50,000, but in my eyes, I felt she was a $50,000 horse. You know what I mean? Just like if you got a Frenchie or something, he might not be worth the $2,500 at all, but I want $10,000 for him. I got a $10,000 Frenchie, you know what I mean? It's the same thing with this. So like when I came with the music part of it, it's just like I'm embracing my lifestyle cause I wasn't able to buy them horses. You know what I'm saying? I used to see people going by horses, five, $10,000, $15,000, I'm like, damn. That's what made me start training them. You know what I'm saying? They're not cheap at all. They're expensive. Let's talk about Beast Mode. Catboy boss on the Beast Mode. How you like that, though? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to talk about it. So that shoot there came just off of some raw stuff. My partner called me. Like, man, you need a video of that song. Like, man, she just meet me at the barn. Yeah, me. I'm at the barn, you know what I'm saying? And I had their own horse. And that's who I'm talking about in this song. You know what I'm saying? Della Romo, fuck it, really get it on. Yeah. I hang with the greatest. It ain't no debate and keep me a dodge and heavy rotation. You know what I'm saying? That right there, that was a monument for me because like at that point in time, like Larry's saying, you know what I'm saying? I was trying to grow because I was in a dark place with music, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was like, man, shit gonna work or do I just need to goddamn keep selling horses. You know what I mean? I think everybody's been. Everybody in music has been there, done that. Where they're doubted because it wasn't going fast enough. Usually that's what usually cause it. You know, you feel like you're giving out your all, but it just ain't, your dream not happening. Yeah. I mean, it was happening, but when you sitting back in, like you don't really have that emotion that you was having, you know what I'm saying? Like cause the shows or this or that, my fan base ain't even really in Texas. Where's your fan base? All over. Like it's mainly in country parts, you know what I'm saying? Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Wow. They love, like my first time leaving Houston, I went to Port Gibson, Mississippi. You know what I'm saying? And then I brought me out there for a rodeo. My first time away from here, they had me perform and they had me metropodoo. Cause they didn't think all about what I was talking about. I whooped his ass, drove out there by myself, you know what I'm saying? Put their rope on him and then perform. But like as far as fan base, man, like I've been able to reach out in Brazil. I've been in New Zealand, like a lot of different. When I look at my Apple playlist in Spotify, I'm in 51 different countries and I'm in 50 states. You know what I mean? No promotion. Rodeo cowboy, let's talk about it. Man, I'm gonna be honest with you. I heard the Shabuzy track. Okay. And I was like, it's dope, you know what I'm saying? But it ain't real cowboy shit. You know what I'm saying? Like it was kind of like the Lil Nas X type deal to me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Ain't no gimmick with me. So anytime I hear something, I'm gonna step on it the real way in the cowboy way. You know what I'm saying? I'm a rodeo cowboy. You know what I'm saying? That was like, I wanted to show the world who I am and what I'm doing. You know what I mean? Because everybody was saying that I needed to commercialize stuff. I was like, all right, I'm gonna go this way with it. You know what I mean? Instead of saying bitch, hoe and this and that, you know what I'm saying? Just being a raw meat uncut. Like I'm gonna go ahead and just step it up just to snap. You know what I mean? And that's how rodeo cowboy came about. What about cowboy dream? Let's keep them going. That's for all the young niggas in the hood. You know what I'm saying? Like I got a squad of young niggas back home that all they listen to is J. Brown. You know what I'm saying? They riding through the hood on their horses, riding in their trucks. You know what I'm saying? Sick and third gen dodges. That's how we ride that stuff. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. You just wanted them like to let niggas know that you can make it out this situation. You know what I'm saying? I came from the same street y'all came from. Only difference is I grind every day to make it to where I'm trying to go. You know what I'm saying? I never give up and that's part of Cowboys. Like never giving up. Cowboy dream? Yeah. I had a dream and I was a cowboy with it. You know what I mean? What about Cross Pass? Man, that record there, it came about a shout out to eDigital. That was the producer on that. He came to the house like the first time I met him and he had some beats. He was like, man, what you think about this? He popped it on, put the headphones on and I just started going. You know what I mean? And that record there, it was just basically letting you know how I'm coming. Already? You know what I mean? Thaw my feet across the cellar how I came up. Ride, run across the pasture trying to get it done. I'm just a cowboy drinking on a good stuff. Then drove a whole lot of miles just to miss one. Yeah. Like if you have a rodeo and you didn't drove over a hundred miles, 200 miles to a rodeo and ain't kid shit, you gonna understand that. You know what I mean? Like I drove a whole lot of miles just to miss one. That's for 5,000, for 500, whatever the price was on it. That's a long way back home when the niggas laughing at you. All them rides when something don't go your way be long anyway. Yeah. I've been on there, man. Like I said, I like to talk about the music because like I said, I'm more of a person who intrigued by sound, you know? A lot of music, country, rap, soul. Yeah, just all of it, man. I like to get to it, man. I like a little funk. You don't know about that, though. Man, I'm gonna be honest with you. You don't know about that. You listen to a little bit of that. What? A Larry and Mike up, man. Yeah, my first time meeting Mike, I'm backstage with him and he had that funk on. It was going down, wasn't it? I mean, it was just something different. You know what I mean? Like I'm back here vibing with Mike else, but I got to listen to this funk, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, but it actually opened my mind up to a little bit more, you know what I'm saying? Sounds and, you know, I'm a music connoisseur. I love to take the music in and try to make something different out of it, whether it be country rock, pop, you know what I mean, rap, whatever it is. My cowboy hat. Man. You know, you got a hat on right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Yeah, there's gonna wear my cowboy hat. My cowboy hat. Right. So you sit there and wrote my cowboy hat. Man, so that. What's the process, man? Honestly, it's all the vibes that surround me, you know what I'm saying? Okay. Like I always got the cowboy method as far as with the music, you know what I mean? Shit, it might be me and Larry in the room, you know what I'm saying? And I'm coming up with a record and we just chopping it up. He might have an idea, you know what I'm saying? But he don't know how to actually give it to me. But I can listen and, okay, we put that together. But on my cowboy hat record, I was working with a guy named Louis. And that dude felt like as far as production, he's phenomenal, you know what I'm saying? And I looked up to this guy, Lazer. He's one of the biggest writers in the game, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to Lazer. I told him about the record. I was like, hey, bro, I got this song, my cowboy hat, you know what I'm saying? I just don't know which way to go with it. Like, man, go genuine with it. So that's how I brought the, you know what I'm saying? I took Pony, you know what I'm saying? Told Louis about it then. Shit, we made the record. Come up with this shit, like. Hold on, when you say you go genuine with it, because when I think about genuine, I'm thinking about- You think about the dance he's doing. No, the dance, the shirt off, the going in. It don't look the same no more. He doing that dance and it's viral right now. So did you go genuine like that? So that video is an out check, you know what I'm saying? Well, are you going to go genuine like that? Most definitely. Oh, okay. Definitely, I've been in the gym. I've been in the gym, so we get right, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. You know, yeah, I get it, man. So Larry, man, what's the name of that restaurant you had me and my wife. We ate those, them lambs in up there. S2. What is it? S2. S2 Express. S2 Express, man. Y'all appreciate y'all for letting us see you, man. We got in there, man. I'm coming back to Chicago for some of them lambs, man. It's going down, man. I'll be back. He be talking about that lamb all the time. Yeah, man. Yeah, I gotta get back up there. Coming back. It's going to be too cold in a minute though. And I'm not coming up there in no cold. I'm telling you. It's going to be awesome to see that. Man, it's going to be awesome to see that. It's going to be awesome to see that. Ice that thick on the water. Maybe that thick. Y'all wild up there. I've seen it, man. Man, we've been getting some crazy weather here the past few years though. Yeah, I know it, but man, not like Chicago, man. They had a negative 40. We was at 14. I said a negative 40, man. Yeah, now that's something different. So do you feel like Larry, you know, what do you think about where music is right now? Like, you know, is it, you got J. Coles, you got all these different people. You got Kanye, the JZ's, the all the different people you got, all these different people doing their thing, man. How do you look at music now compared to, you know, maybe a few years back, 10 years ago? Man, I used to see it as, I like the music. I like some of the artists. I just don't like the fact that life is imitating art. You know what I mean? If the music was just looked at as art and it was a story or a visual or a movie to your ears. You know what I mean? Yeah. And people didn't take it as a blueprint to follow as far as what goes on in life when they talked about getting high and blasphemy. And I understand this stuff go happen without music, but it seemed like it was kind of, when I got a son that's 15, you know, it's just kind of hard to get into it when he's saying all type of crazy stuff and he's thinking it's funny cause of the stuff he's listening to off of the music. So I just be looking for something a little different. So, you know, just some good time, feel good music or for them to, you know, they got the, they had a microphone to send a better message. They can pull people together, but they don't do that. It's all about separation and do this, do that. You know what I mean? It's, you know, I just wish it was more bringing people together or, hey man, this is art. This is real. This is not a way to live life or more messages on if it go this way, what's going to happen, you know? And also just that you don't have to do it this way. You know, right now the drill music, I think it's driving the car a lot of times. And I say that to say, like when you look back, when we, when rap first hit the scene, yeah, you was going to get some too short and then you might get some, you know, my name is D nice or you might get some special ed. For your time. There's a lot of different. But then you're going to have some, some Joda C or you might have some, see there are some R&B albums coming in the midst of that. You understand what I'm saying? You're going to have some, you might have some Jagged Edge or something hidden there or you might have some 112. So we had a relaxation time in there. You know, we got the slow dance, you know? We drag y'all two step, if you really country cowboy, like you, like you have a two step. I can't decide to call it two step. Okay. But at the end of the day, we had a breaking point. You know that we would stop for a break. You know what I'm saying? You know, we might run in man, but then we'll stop and we slow dance with to a key sweat. You might, you know, you might be young, but you ready and you know, all that stuff. But that's the difference in what we got today. Now today they driving and it's straight, you know, soon as somebody get killed, they, they, they going to celebrate. They going to talk about that there's a nigga coming out. I don't know if his enemy is oppa what, but he coming. Yeah. He coming. I didn't, I didn't not know this was a new thing till I seen four or five people die. So I made people die at every time this person died and they got this from Chicago to be honest with you. It was a Chicago thing first. This is where it started from what I'm hearing. And as soon as somebody died, boom, people started talking crazy about that person. They jumped right online. That is the weirdest thing to me. Yeah, it's real weird. I've never, I never would have thought, but this is something that happens. I'm telling you, I'm just speaking facts. You know what I'm saying? I'm speaking what I see. Nah, it's real. It's like crazy. It don't make no sense at all. It's real. That's why I do what I do. You know what I'm saying? That's good. Because I come from the ethnicity. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I grew up in the same spice these dudes grew up in, but what am I gonna keep glorifying the streets for? You know what I'm saying? Like when it ain't doing nothing, but sending all our brothers out the household to prison and to jail. You know what I'm saying? Right. Growing up, I had over a hundred partners before the time I was 21 that died. That's crazy. And the thing that I hate about that is that, you know, I've seen so many people who sit in the seat who've been to prison for years and they've always said, you know, my mama raised me. My mama is my heart. My mama is this. But yet you do all this crazy stuff to leave your mama and give her all this heartache and pain. How can you love her if you're doing all this stuff? They don't understand that until they end up. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, I'm a man. I'm out here. I'm doing this and that, you know what I'm saying? But not understanding that is not grown man shit. That's little boy shit, you know what I mean? To keep doing the same shit that you've seen the next man doing instead of trying to actually educate yourself and do something different. Like with me, I ride horses, train them. I drive hotshot and I do music. You know what I'm saying? Like I got a bunch of trades up under my belt. So I'm, I ain't gonna say never but I'm not going back to selling dope or I'm not gonna rob nobody. You know what I'm saying? Like, now if you come trying to rob me, you're gonna get a different story. You're gonna get a real John Wayne, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. But as far as like, I try to push a different message to let them know. You know what I'm saying? Like, bro, you can do different shit. How did I get a $5,000 horse? I ain't by that bitch. I made it. There it is. You're the best at that time. Like, you gotta grind to get where you wanna be. Like, I didn't get on Boss Talk because this my first year out. I've been grinding to get here. I've been watching this show, you know what I'm saying? You see that? He didn't get on Boss Talk. Yeah, man not in there playing this serious business. I got a question because, you know, just like what you saying, it's been, it's been on my mind for the longest because I would always tell these young people who I know that are in the streets. I'm like, you can turn that illegal business into a legal business. You don't have to go work for nobody because people always just say, I don't wanna work for nobody. That's their main reason for doing that. Thanks. But then, working for yourself and being an entrepreneur, money don't always come as quickly and that's another reason too why people say that they prefer to be in the streets because does the money come that quick for every single person that goes in the street? Yeah, no it doesn't. And you say, well people gotta understand having a job is not the worst thing in the world. You know, some people have jobs because you got medical benefits, you got retirement coming, like you preparing for when you're not able to work no more. You know, people who study worried about the little money that they get right then. I understand that like, cause the things that you want, you can't necessarily get. And the things that you need, sometimes you can get that and it's really about what you need, not about what you want, but we go for our wants and it drives us crazy. But people work because of benefits and everything. When you're an entrepreneur and you have your own business, you gotta bring the money in. If you got a job, you know you're getting paid at the end of the two weeks. Exactly. But if you're an entrepreneur and you don't make that money come in, or you're not ready to work 50, 60 hours a week compared to the 40 hours you would have worked with a job, your business is going under. But you gotta think about it. Most of these guys on the street, they're entrepreneurs unless you're just working for somebody and getting paid like a regular job really. But if you out there doing your thing on your own, you're an entrepreneur. You making your own money for yourself. Okay. You said on the streets? Yeah. But yeah, you spending, and you should understand that entrepreneurship along with legal entrepreneurship cause it's people that may put 60, 80 hours in and it ain't moving this week. But let me ask you this Larry, you are one of those guys that, to be Larry Hoover Junior and to be the son of Larry Hoover Senior and to be going on a job in a city where everybody know who you are. That takes a different type of person as well. People, they looking at you like, oh, that's such a such, you see what I'm saying? It's gonna automatically put the spotlight on you no matter where you go, no matter what you do. How did you handle that? Okay, for one, the check came home. And my son went to Catholic school, my daughter went to Catholic school. I paid the bills at home. So that's one thing. So you know who my father is, right? You know where he been at all his life, right? That's right. I actually got to see the example when it don't go right. You don't know how many people that I've met that was my uncle this and that and there. All dead, all in jail. So I got examples on how it's gonna work out. Even the people that looked like it was doing, they was doing good. Yeah. You know, what else do I need to get an understanding on how this might go? Yeah, but you say that. And you've always had that understanding even when you were a teenager? No, no, when I was a teenager, I tried some things. Right. But I got to understand that early age, my best friend got killed in three years. I remember you said that. You know, I stand on that. That helped me change my life. As a kid, I had dreams of following what I seen. You know, and I was lucky enough to just not keep going with it. Cause I got plenty of friends. Like he said he had a bunch of friends that was dead by the time he was 21. I could fill up a shirt with people, associates and friends that I know is dead. Yeah, and that's the thing about it, Larry, is that still, yet and still, your example, just for me to speak on it, you know what I mean? As an example that people who say they can't, they can if they give it their all. And if they get out of self, you know what I mean? It's a choice. And you can do it, but it's just, you have to be conditioned to say, I don't care about what nobody else think. I'm doing what I need to do. And like you said, you got an example, but then I ain't gonna stay on this too long, but a lot of people could have took that a whole different route and started to say, you know what? My dad is such and such. I'm gonna go out here and do this. Yeah, let's go down. Because you see what I'm saying? Because my dad, I was waiting the streets. They wouldn't be here right now. Yeah. You think straight. You know, that's why you're still here right now. And it wouldn't be right here. It was very possible. You know, I got people that look at me like I'm weak because I didn't wanna go do that or take that chance. I don't care. Yeah, you can't care really. You know, but you have a lot of the young kids who just like you talk about health insurance and all of that. Young kids don't care about health insurance. They're thinking about, they're not even gonna live to see 30. Cause in their mind, street cats be like, I'm either gonna be in prison or that is like, they take that as a goal. Like, that's where I'm gonna be. They quit before they try. That's real. They start off and somebody tell them it's not possible. They take in that information they believe and then they go with it. Instead of even putting the effort there, they don't know if they could get a decent job. They don't know what they could be. Somebody told them, you can't be this and this is not gonna happen. And they say, okay, I'm gonna go to the streets and do this. Cause this is the only way I'm gonna get what I want. Before they even take a shot at trying to be anybody or do anything. And it's not even only that. I've heard yourself included would say, yeah, I do it for the money, but then some people would say, well, I do it for the girls. Because when I can dress all this nice clothes and flashy cars, some of these girls don't want the guy who, you know, nine to five or making minimum wage or making this amount. They want a big baller who, you know, riding up in three, four cars every single day, whatever, dressed however. And if that's all they want, they should start taking credibility for what role they play in some of the tearing down of the community. Man, that's real. And I definitely can attest to that. Like it doesn't give the greatest results when it comes to the seed and harvest. You definitely reap what you sow when you start to do things that are out of the ordinary and doing things where you just don't even care about integrity, you know, or morals or any of that stuff. So you gotta be sharp. That's mainly the problem though, you know what I'm saying? A lot of these young dudes don't even know what integrity or morals is. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And to bounce back on what she was saying as far as just, yeah, you can take a dude from the streets. He an entrepreneur himself. But is he willing to take that same mindset that he got in the streets to a business plan to take it somewhere to another level, to where you ain't gotta look over your shoulders while you, you know what I'm saying? Selling your drugs or hitting your leaks or doing what you're doing. You know what I'm saying? You can sit in the house behind your computer or you can get in the truck and go make you 150,000 a year versus trying to hit this quick leak. Oh, I got 10 bobs, but them 10 bobs is gonna get you 20 years. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You're gonna go get that time back either. Yeah, versus taking that longer route to get to your destination. You know what I mean? And you can obtain more doing legit than you can illegit, you know what I'm saying? Cause most time when you do shit illegal, you can't put in your name. That's real. You can't go get no house. You can't put, you can't get by no property. More than likely it's gonna be either your girl name or your mama name. Because they're gonna be looking where this money come from. That's real. And 50% or maybe even 60% of them get screwed over by their mama or that girl anyway and take the money. By the time they go to jail. Yep. Yeah. Let's jump subjects. Top three artists of all time, dead or alive. Any genre? Number one. George Strait. George Strait. That's the first George Strait that we didn't had on Boss Talk 101. Is it country? Yeah, yeah. Let's get it. King of it. You see, I'm married to a Jamaican. I can get, no. I don't know that name. He round. Tell me a song, tell me a song. I might know the song. Tell me his popular song. He got Chick Yes or No. I mean, he got hits. A bunch of hits. I don't know. He got a CD called The Greatest 50 Hits from George Strait. Okay, well I'm going to look him up. He's been number one. I got to look him up. Number two. Man, so now I'm going to go back to my rap category. You can't give me three. That's all you get. That's everybody gets three. It's all a thousand and some people. You done seen the show. You watch it. You know what's going down. Number two. Boosie. Boosie. Ooh, wow. I'm Boosie, mad ass. And I zoomed right back out. Number three. Number three. Any genre? She's trying to get him out of anywhere. He just went from George Strait to Boosie. You can't, you know that. Jelly roll. Jelly roll. That's the one, yeah you work, you, that's, yeah. Jelly roll. We talking. All right, let's get it. You up to it. I ain't gonna lie. I can't leave my other two. I'm not busy doing that. Now you can not leave about Rich on the Corn. I got that called for. She's blurring like, ooh, bro this old. Man. But I get a lot of my stuff, like my style from Rich on the Corn. Yeah, I'm looking, I'm looking at, here's a few of them I bet I'm trying to get. I had Rich out to him. I almost had him. I'm gonna get him though. I'm definitely going for Jay. You gonna make that happen. I talked to him already. And Kanye, you already talked to him? Yeah, we were talking. Yeah, Jay and Kanye. Let's say boy, I'm tough, baby. I'm trying to go home. Everybody that he been with, I'm going with, you know. No, but you know what, man? We just gotta keep working, man, and keep doing what's right, throwing out the positive vibes, trying to do something to help make motivation in our people, man, in our culture. That's important. And the stuff you said today, and the stuff that you live, the way that you represent yourself here on Boss Talk 101. Hey, man, it's on that level. You know what I'm saying? And that's why we want to see how our brothers go this. You know, brothers like you, your age, even 25, do you reach out and get any of those young men to surround you and try to show them the way? Man, I just had an artist myself, a young reckless bull. Okay. He got locked up. Damn. But you was trying. That's all right. Just keep trying. Don't give up. That's what I was wondering. Is there any programs out here who help like see kids on the street? I'm talking like see kids, you know, on the street doing their thing, whatever and be like somebody who is an ex, you know, but got somewhere in life, go up to them and say, hey, let me show you a better way. I do that all the time. You know what I mean? Like I don't care what kids I ain't, if I encounter them and then my presence, we're going to speak positivity and I'm going to tell them, you know what I'm saying? Hey man, what you got going on? They going to let me know I'm living like this. Hey bro, you know what I'm saying? Go to school. Go do this. I ain't telling you to go to college, but I'm telling you to get that education so that you're not out here dumbfounded just by anything that they tell you. You know what I'm saying? That's real. You got to know for yourself what you want. Man. A lot of schools don't even teach you how to live this life that we live every day once you get out of school. They never have. Man, thank you so much, Jay. Jay been in the building now, Jay Brown. He say he on boss talk 101. Larry Hoover Jr. in the building, man. You guys, man. I appreciate you all for coming up, man. Blessing the platform. Man, me and Larry been trying to put this together for a long time now. He always tell me about you. Ever since the day I met him, he go hard for you, man. That's a, that's a, that's favor. That's favor from God. So at the end of the day, it's just good to be able to finally meet you. And I hope like this won't be the last time, but every time you got some project coming out, you and Larry or you yourself hit me up, just come on up to Dallas. Well, I've been there used to him too. I done been down there a few times in the building. I come and pick up quite often. My little girl stay up here. Already. So we gonna link back up. I'm gonna give you my number. We gonna lock it in. It's going down, man. Did I do you justice, Larry? Yeah, yeah. Already, man. He not gonna say no. No, you know, you know what the action speak live in the words. He show back up. That shit, that tells me everything I need to know. And he don't deny my phone calls yet. I ain't worried him enough yet. Even when he out the country, he'll still listen to me talk. Check it, man. Hey, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. What a boss is talk. Oh, yeah.