 Welcome to the 21 report. I'm Frank Pesci and I'm here with founder CEO President of the nemanisphere Anthony dream Johnson. Hey, good. How are you my brother doing really good, man? Thank you for doing the show and I'm happy to be on it. Awesome to be here. Thanks for the opportunity. It's been great Yeah, a lot of things have happened at this table. Yeah, I have had the opportunity to interview speaker after speaker and in some cases attendee and married couples and the things that have come forth in the conversation at this table has been so enlightening to me And I have found a great sense of satisfaction among everybody that has been here this year Nice, everybody's grateful that the 21 convention has been around. This is what year is this now? It's a 16 year anniversary 16 year anniversary since I started organizing the events. Yeah, I have heard Everybody is thrilled with how organized and how well it's done Yeah, people knew where they were supposed to be and and most of all the the level of family bonds that have developed in this Environment has has become absolutely noticeable. Yeah, what has changed for you as president event organizer Does this one stand apart from the others? Yeah, each event is unique to me. Each event is different They're always getting better and they have to they need to they must for me. I need to lead by example I need to exemplify what I believe and what I teach or preach to a degree Am I and then I do that among many other speakers and I need to live out the best of what they promote as well The things I agree with deeply and fundamentally So that means always growing and pushing forward as a man right over time as I age in my life And also the events they're getting older and aging too, and every year they have to get better and better and better incrementally and I think What's the word iteratively and you know iterated sure the steep jobs kind of figure would say So each event is like a little bit better a little bit better a little bit better And that stacks and compounds on the previous events and that's probably what you're feeling a lot of the attendees There's a lot of attendees here for example that came back from like 2019 like yourself You know you attended a couple times back then you know 2020 2021 you weren't here now You came back and you're like holy shit and everything smoother and bigger and better and faster And I'm proud to see that happen. I'll be honest with you. It was your Reaching out to me directly that really helped me close the deal and make the decision to come That's I felt like you cared about me. You appreciated my presence. Yeah, you know Obviously I stay in touch with their attendees other speakers, but when I got a personal note from you man I felt like Yeah, that I wanted to come so I appreciated that very much You're welcome and I like being very personal with people and very like Kind of like I speak and like I write you know some people get it's very polarizing people can get very upset or very positive towards it But for me, it's about being like super blunt and part of that is you know just calling people up Hey, let's go. Yeah, man. Come back. Good. Good over you know Well, I'm a New Yorker, so I definitely appreciate direct communication. Fuck. Yeah Yeah, it's a Florida and New York thing. I think now we're sure sure. Yeah, man Okay, so let me say this from my perspective as an attendee somebody has an opportunity to serve here at the event this year Which has been awesome. I see this almost as a culmination To all the work that you do in the year Yeah, now I also realized that you have a ton of work to do post-production Can you talk a little bit about that process? You're always running and you're always going Yeah, yeah, it's a year-round thing and the company is much bigger than the events But also like you said the events They are the the The end cap so to speak of the year, you know, a whole 12 months of work basically goes into producing a 21 summit or a 21 convention In this case, you know, we do three events at the same time So that is kind of operating at the same time Simultaneously with running the other elements of the business, which is not just me now They my creative director. I have other video editors. I have a GM other independent contractors to work for me throughout the year There's a lot that goes on so close to the events. I'm working personally 50 60 70 hours a week the rest of the year It's like 40 50 60 depending on what kind of the needs are with the projects and stuff We're cranking out videos are almost every day of the week sometimes multiple videos a day Sometimes leave an upload a video to now on a daily basis past about month a video will get published to anywhere from 10 to 15 Different platforms and a single day plus newsletters plus websites plus this plus that plus apps plus 20 University Plus a million different things going on at the same time So I look at 21 studios is about the media and events production company and then I people on the internet They're like, oh get a real job. It's like men. Yeah, you only know Yeah, you work at fucking Best Buy like I got a problem best buy that you need to shut the fuck up Anthony to many you are an antagonist. It's many you are a hero. What's it like to walk a mile in your shoes? Intense yeah every day in my life Well, not literally every day, but it feels like that sometimes almost every day is really really intense I fight super hard for what I believe in through the business as an entrepreneur as a leader as a speaker as a man Soon to be author. I hope I'm trying to work on a book make one the great again. It's coming along slowly So there's a lot to it and my life is not easy I love He's not my top guy, but he's easily I'd say top 10 at this point Elon Musk billionaire richest man in the world I think right now He has a saying about entrepreneurship. It's one of the reasons that he actually caught my interest There's a lot of big tech billionaires. I don't give shit about but Elon is someone I do and Even though much more of a Steve Jobs kind of guy Elon once said that entrepreneurship is like eating glass If that's the I think that's the exact quote when I heard that I was like, yep It's it can be rough man People think it's like this the Instagram bullshit where people fake being entrepreneurs They really just sell t-shirts and pretend to be entrepreneurs and it's all this big scam That's all bullshit and they make entrepreneurship like look they look like this easy life Because they're like photoshopping fake financial figures and all those bullshit huge scam But real entrepreneurship where you create something like this is a founder led company, you know, I didn't inherit this company I built it from the ground up as a teenager with nothing but a hundred bucks to start it with now It does you know several hundred thousand dollars a year and I built that from nothing with nothing inherited nothing So entrepreneurship is fucking hard. You work long hours. You're the first one there The last one to leave You know, sometimes it pays absolute shit, you know, there was a year back in 2014 I think I made during a month. I made less than a dollar an hour The whole month could barely pay my electric bill at my house and that was what eight years ago So it's tough man being entrepreneurs is not easy sure and people think it is and that's just absolute nonsense But we're a greater place than to pursue dreams and entrepreneurship than here in America. Absolutely But also if I can make a comment Entrepreneurship I think is a very masculine activity and this is why you don't see a lot of female entrepreneurs and female CEOs and shit It's very fucking difficult. It's hard. It is not easy It's physically challenging and psychologically challenging and that weeds out women who are not suited for that They're suited for motherhood and nurturing elements of human life So it's been a really good challenge for me as a man to pursue entrepreneurship and face these challenges Through that career path in life that I built and carved out for myself and rent In the last couple of years you have taken an intense approach Tense angle perhaps is better way to say it towards investigative journalism. Okay, yeah You have gone after what you see to be the enemies of the state You have done so in a very concise way enemies of the man's fear enemies of the man's fear, right? Okay, state of the man's fear. That's kind of what I had in mind. Yeah Nonetheless when's the last time you told your story about who you are and why you got into The man's fear being an anti-feminist advocate for men a pro, you know men's advocate and going after frauds Like you you have done a lot in the way of tactics and operations Yeah, but when's the last time people got to know who you are and what drives you and why you do what you do It's been a long time. Yeah, occasionally. I'll do like a podcast interview and invite, but you know, it's just not a thing I'm the company is a lot larger than me for better and for worse and for whatever reason and I've kind of Different from how a lot of entrepreneurs operate Elliot Hulse is a very good friend of mine and his company for example This is one example is very different from that strength camp and you know, everything that he does is King's transformation Elliot Hulse has always been super central to that business very successful business by the way mine 21 studios and 21 convention have always taken the limelight and I don't know if that will always be the case But thus far that has been the case and some consequences of that as people don't know the story behind what I do They don't know my motivations they hear fake news from frauds and predators and charlatans and all these losers in the Manusphere and Some people understand that that's bullshit and fake news since people trying to keep their wallets fat other people They don't get that. You know, they believe the the BS and lies It's very much it the Manusphere amusingly very much mirrors like conventional American politics You have like the official fake news story. That's this absolute propaganda bullshit And you have kind of the complex story and then you have like the raw hardcore basic truth So I mean very well for the Manusphere these people that tell these fake news lies and all this bullshit Anthony is a sociopath Anthony is a school shooter a blob like really wild shit people say These are youtubers. He's already been just random comments. These are people with channels. Not it was very big maybe five thousand ten thousand twenty thousand but Yeah, there's some serious lies and the insults aren't just insults It's like people call me a school shooter like what the fuck you talking about but this is stuff people say because they're scared of me and You know, their livelihood depends on them telling lies that I expose or telling lies that I don't expose, right? So it's it's this constant battle, but I believe firmly and I have since I first found the quote I loved it as soon as I found it on like this encapsulates what I believe that if it can be destroyed by the truth It deserves to be destroyed by the truth and I don't know who first said that I found that on the internet one time a meme and I was like, oh fuck. Yeah Everything that can be destroyed by the truth deserves to be destroyed by the truth burn it all to the ground every single bit of it Do you think that there's a nature to your character that's misunderstood? Absolutely. Yeah People that get to know me personally in person like literally face-to-face They get a much clearer picture of who I am what I believe and people and this is a battle that even some of the speakers Go through dr. Shanti Smith one of our in a long time speakers He was talking about that last year right here in this room on the 21 report last year How you know, you see Anthony on Twitter and on the internet and you get this certain a slice of my personality Super bub mastic hyperbolic, you know all that very polarizing antagonistic to people already having fun triggering the shit out of people Sometimes by the millions right make one the great again all this stuff we do the conventions They meet me in person, you know, I'm not just monotone. You see me smile You see me laugh Anthony's not a robot, you know, he actually has emotions and feelings He has relationships. He has family and my sister's come to the event. I have a girlfriend You know, so it means is being this is such a contrast to the internet where you have this army of feminist zombies with pink cats and Giant bellies or beluga bellies, you know, he's a big woman saying baby dick small dick little dick mommy issues It's all a train of this absolute nonsense that they all repeat like little zombies or like little seals clapping or something So yeah meeting me in person all the attendees get to do that I think it's why when I called you like you said you're like, oh Anthony's calling me and it means a lot to you because we met Before previously a couple times and a lot of the attendees tell me this and the speakers tell me this And they what's funny is when the speakers try to communicate it on video people are still skeptical because you're like, there's no way Anthony's a night like cobertates the same way cobertates one nice guys over me sure polite good manners all this kind of stuff By the internet. He's like, you know, the basically the devil at this point Yeah, but because I've come to the events in the past got to spend some time with you at the events Yeah, then started to kind of learn about the work that was happening in this space You know, we were never more than a message away. You know what I mean? We've crossed paths several times, you know on the internet or whatever And I felt like meeting you in person just like the other speakers just like the other attendees gave us an opportunity to build a Relationship that led to what's now productive, you know undertaking Yeah, oh, so and I think that that's a real benefit for people to come to the 21 summit because you're gonna meet speakers You're gonna meet entrepreneurs. You're gonna meet other family. Oh, yeah You know now you have the 20 some you have women that are coming here You have married couples that are coming here Yeah, people are building relationships that you know, hopefully you're gonna be long term Yeah, and there's a there's a measure of accountability with that if you see me next year in the same suit Yo, Frank, what's up, man? You know buying new suits same weight same muscles. Yeah, I met an attendee this year He lost over 30 pounds since he attended last year and he got bigger like stronger in the process I didn't recognize him when I saw him He looked familiar but like who the fuck is this guy and then when he told me his name on my college I know exactly who he is. I know his friend of his as well a mutual friend And I was shocked and now he wants to come back next to even leaner and stronger than before and that's impressive Yeah, and yeah, you need to you know get stronger and bigger and nicer suit whatever you know go for a man No haircut fuck. Yeah, appreciate you. Okay. Um, I want to add something on that One of the things attendees get here isn't just the networking and other things you kind of went through meeting people face-to-face building friendships I know attendees didn't have friends for here five ten years. So I'm like, you know stuff like that But also the event and this is part of what about me that people don't understand as on the internet I'm like extremely immature extremely bombastic and extremely hyperbolic This is all on purpose because that's what I think is Rational and was productive in that area even though that confuses people right at the events. I'm extremely professional Whether it's with the hotels audio video crew the volunteers and staff the speakers the attendees and That I do that because that's the right thing to do And so what I'm always trying to do like Jeff younger commented about me is honor I'm always pursuing morality. What is morally righteous? Is it to be a five-year-old making? You know sharp mama memes and to be hyperbolic and piss off a hundred million women or is it to be extremely professional and run The most professional event in the world for men and that's what I do So to me it's always about doing the right thing even when you have to push back against Millions of people the whole world much respect Okay, I have noticed in my observance of you and how these events unpack and unfold you're not a micromanager I also notice in your demeanor that you're not a micromanager Obviously the space of the hemisphere has evolved over the years Directions have shifted new ideas have come Speakers have come and gone new attendees. It's there's been a constant evolution And you know as the quote-unquote president of the hemisphere I haven't seen you try to necessarily channel that direction in one way or another whether you like it or not It's been more of this is what it is. This is the state of the minister. This is where we're at. This is what we're doing And that's how I perceive it. Yeah, how do you perceive the changes and and your relationships are those changes? You've nailed it. I mean the way you just described it. You nailed it I'm not trying to micromanage or dick police the hemisphere and different ideas and You know about women and about masculinity. I have my own right and I need to build a conference. It's educational So I have to make some executive choices But as far as the larger hemisphere and even with them my own conventions There's an immense amount of intellectual freedom and I truly am not here to dick police and a lot of the frauds will try to say that Oh, Anthony just doesn't like my content or he doesn't agree or he's purple pill and I'm red pill and he's not red pill And then Anthony says he's red pill, but he's not red pill like that's all garbage These people I don't like liars lying. The blue pill is lying. The blue pill is lies. It's thickness That's what I go after everywhere that I can as far as the man's sphere and the specific content I like you're saying I want to basically unite it and I want to move it forward through time And that means kind of a big tent that people can get behind Met as men and as fathers for the interests of men boys and fathers and a positive future for them So even when I outline my common mission common purpose for the man's sphere It's very very simple something. I think everyone can and should get behind a positive future for men boys and fathers That to me is fundamentally good. It's universally good and something all of us can get behind And that's truly what I'm after with this movement and pushing it forward through time And trying to protect it and safeguard it from frauds and predators and even, uh, you know Government agencies that are hyper investigating it and trying to undermine it You know worm their way in all this different crap going on So for me, it's about protecting the movement, you know, safeguarding it nurturing it and keeping it as healthy as I can Every time it's never going to be perfect. It never has been perfect and it never will be perfect That's not a reasonable standard But it's a fundamentally good movement and I'm going to do everything I can I think everyone else should to keep it moving in that direction It's what this country needs. It's what the west needs even beyond america Yeah 21 summit is essentially the vanguard event of the man's sphere I can only think of a couple others that have tried to do things Or things that our speakers do, you know what I mean? Within there are like you mentioned elliot strength camp. It's not exactly a 21 summit by any means But it's a place where you know Similar people in this audience or even some people from this audience do gather together Now with 21 summit being the vanguard of everything that happens in the man's sphere Do you find that these other speakers content creators influencers are coming to you? For counsel for advice for advice. Do you find yourself as an ambassador? A lot of times speaking for the man's sphere or helping develop some of the ancillary activities that are occurring. Yeah yeah, one of the reasons I actually created the Lightning rod I call it of the president of the man's sphere As I figured it would be useful to kind of guide the man's sphere through its clash of mainstream culture Which just like coming way back in 2018 and 2019 when this idea of the president of the man's sphere a leader Someone actually trying to lead it right not ghost leader or stealth lead it from behind the scenes like some fucking puppet master Someone with the balls and the tenacity and the professionalism and the cleverness to fight out in public From a pr perspective of the man's sphere and so much to my amusement You know within a couple months of doing the president of the man's sphere announcement and declaration You know, I went viral in the media like I never had before. Yeah Something always surpassed since I think by maybe kevin sandmills and cobertate I ended up on teat, you know national tv pairs morgan all of the news I'm getting death threats all over the media. They got to my family all kinds of crazy shit like that Uh, was there more to the original question? I just I think you answered it And that is that you have essentially become the point person officially recognized And I imagine there's a lot of responsibility that goes into that I also noticed that the man's sphere, uh, or I should say 21 has evolved to creating a 22 convention Which has invited women to partake under the umbrella of being the best version of women That they can be make women great again has been your slogan. Yeah, what has that quest been like for you? That's been awesome Yeah, building an event for women being a pioneer building the first man's here event for fathers the patriarch convention and then the first woman It's been a lot of fun Like I mentioned it went viral in the media, which I didn't expect didn't see coming. I was happy to see it though It's really exciting. I think there's a lot of men in the man's sphere by far that will bitch and moan and complain about women And there's plenty to bitch and moan and complain about we've never seen women do the things they do today In some of my speeches here. I talked about how women now Uh prostitution in america has become mostly normalized for a huge chunk of the population There's stuff like only fans and sugar baby kind of activity and stuff like that That's wild and I don't see anyone else in any other group and In the entirety in the entirety of our country and even beyond america's borders in the west pushing back against that There's nothing the churches aren't doing it the government ain't doing it the military ain't doing it the schools Ain't doing it the university. They ain't doing it Like I mentioned in some of my speeches, you know, the boy scouts don't even exist anymore for boys The girl scouts do but the boy scouts don't exist the girl scouts are suing what used to be the boy scouts I mean we live in clown world. It's fucking ridiculous Women need help. They need mansplaining so to speak. They need masculine leadership and guidance Whether it's from a father or a husband or a boyfriend or whatever They need that and feminism unfortunately has successfully neutered and castrated masculine voices in our culture Across the spectrum, right? Whether it's a school teacher or a high school coach You know for a sports team or something like coach greg used to be high school You know basketball coach woman in college Or whether it's even throughout our entire culture throughout churches and stuff like that Every every, you know church pastor now and whatever in priests They have to kind of bend the need of feminism. They have to submit to this They have to genuflect and kind of worship the matriarchy so to speak We spell it patriarchy in our culture, but that's a lie. We live under this kind of pseudo matriarchy So the monastery is pushing back against that and content for women that they desperately need We're the only ones really doing that at this point women today are you know Born and raised basically on a diet a strict diet of feminism. They have no other alternative in most cases There's just few exceptions, you know certain religious groups like the Mormons and stuff are kind of a little bit insulated from that But other than that American women get nothing but feminism every day of their life Disney movies all the way up through You know pop culture and movies and tv and the media and music and everything else around them They have no alternative So as men, I don't think we can properly bitch and complain if we're not going to provide a solution Something anything for women to latch on to and go a different direction Otherwise we're just going to watch these women golf a cliff like a bunch of lemmings or something A little bit earlier. I interviewed uh, zan perion. Oh, yeah, it was an awesome interview. Yeah He said that toxic masculinity is not the problem But it's the absence of masculinity in our society. Oh, yeah, actually the problem I would add to that that the weaponization of the term toxic masculinity Is creating the absence of masculinity. That's what basically what it does. It's it's a shaming language It's intended now doesn't work on me and you and the guys here We were hats with let's say, you know 100 percent toxic masculinity and shit like that But most men in culture by far are betas and shaming language. Unfortunately works on them And toxic masculinity is a way to neuter and minimize and undermine their masculinity To create an absence of it and then that will result in not only on a personal level for men But even generations, you know, we see now the tidal wave of single mothers and fatherlessness The fatherlessness literally is an absence of masculinity And in the most important role a man can play I would say as a father And that's happening now throughout entire culture for millions of people millions of kids So that's a huge disaster masculinity built this country. It founded this country This country was not founded by femininity. It wasn't founded by women protesting. It was founded by men fighting and dying It took immense courage balls of absolute fucking steel And all this soft beta male a feminine soy boy 500 genders woke feminist tranny garbage. This does not work. This is this is a disaster incoming at an epic scale That we have never seen. I think even bigger than what the soviet union happened to them in the early 90s So this this disaster is not Avoided at a fundamental level by promoting masculine men and feminine women and the nuclear family the traditional family Yeah, there's a certain doom in front of us What it actually looks like in the end is anybody's guess prediction But yeah, it's bad and I don't want it to go that way I wanted to I want America my country and my people to go in a positive direction And that to me on very simply means masculine men and feminine women and families If you don't have that you don't have anything you will lose everything whatever we have left That we inherited from our grandparents and stuff like that post world war two The shaming campaign is real. Yeah, and that language has unfortunately affected many many men You yourself have been very good with language patterns When I first came familiar with your work your slogan was make men great again Then as it evolved it was make women great again And now let's make men alpha again. Is that your counter to shaming language? Yeah, it's basically to try to There's a couple things going on these certain slogans make women great again make men alpha again and stuff But yeah, a lot of it, uh, I learned from trump. I mean, I love trump. It's he's a lot of that's very personal It's a little bit political, but mostly it's personal. I think this is a fucking great guy Awesome guy an awesome man to put it lightly and greatest man that ever lived in our country But a lot of what I do is I look at like he does I look at the weapons that people are trying to attack me with And I want to grab them and take them as my own Maybe tweak them a little bit, you know, we'll shine on whatever you got to do, right? Throw it back in their face And that's what these things do The title is telling you caused some commotion of the day at this hotel Uh, just by some random tourists that were you know at the hotel and all it says is make men alpha again You know, but that's a playoff of make america great again. Obviously, and it's the alpha male kind of Idea that is very triggering in culture right now make women great again, too. You know, they think men should be You know women are always great and men should be ashamed to you know Have any expectations of women above where they're at currently, which is a disaster So yeah, I'm all about it. Take what people throw at you take these weapons and the shame they want to throw at you It's like, you know, ellied holst taught me years ago. He was the first person first man ever point this out I kind of love being hated and I don't it's not that I don't love being loved. I love that, too It's that the energy is useful no matter what and I can feed off of anything positive energy from attendees Who's love what we do or a bunch a bunch of couple million haters who is bitching at me on the internet Or in real life or on a tv show or whatever I don't care It's the intensity of the energy that I can use whether it's positive or negative So the shammy language bring it on. I'm gonna throw it back in your face. Shove it up your ass Roger that What's next in the manasphere? I think like I talked about my state of the manasphere 2022 was by far the biggest series of news headlines and government reports Secret service from impromptu security put out a huge report on the manasphere. It wasn't their first either and probably not their last So I think it's going to be increasing next year, for example 2023. You're going to see a ton of news headlines Like just like just like you did this year. I think even bigger. It's basically been escalating 2020 there was a bunch of news headlines for our event make them in grade again Reached 100 million people 2021 Kevin Samuels blew up Reached untold millions of people in america, right? Then he died unfortunately 2022 we saw cobertate make headlines around the world He was the most searched person on the internet above even donald trump and anyone else So I think next year you're going to see a continuing, you know, like we saw 2020 2021 2022 That's going to keep escalating. I do think you're going to see even more government interest from the federal government even state governments Investigating it all this fake concern Something I forgot to mention in my speech actually as I saw a senate hearing and the u.s. Senate from a couple weeks ago and they were actually reviewing video podcasts from the manasphere and Some senate judiciary hearing or something like that And these are the people that have oversight the senator or some democrat Demerat and he was he has apparently oversight over funding for department helmet security So For better and for worse, you're going to see all this increase in 2023 and 2024 and 2025 I do think there's a positive future for the manasphere. It's going to keep growing That's why the intensity of scrutiny and interest and its clash with mainstream culture Whether media or entertainment, you know, kevin samuels before he died was interacting with major celebrities nicky minaj and Couple rappers and other names, but they're like some of the big ones anyway So we're going to see that I think keep continuing Tate was just the latest iteration of that that's going to keep going getting bigger and bigger And my hope is that the manasphere changes the course of american history. I think that's what it can do I think that's what it should do. I think it's what it must do There's like I said, there's nothing else. There's not even anything else potentially doing it right now There's nothing everything else has been cocked by feminism the militaries cocked the government's cocked the schools are cocked The boy scouts are cocked the churches are cocked everything's cocked the manasphere is not cocked That's why they're scared of it. That's why they're intimidated by it They're they're a bunch of frauds and the manasphere has a lot of authenticity and a lot of power behind it Because most men in it by far. There's a lot of frauds too. I don't like them But most men by far, especially the common man and the manasphere the guy looking for advice The guy who's not even content creator. He just found it. He wants help. He needs answers. He needs advice It's counsel There's a lot of power behind it masculinity is an extremely powerful force It built civilization it built this country and it's the only thing they can say that because that's what built it That's the roots and the foundation behind it. This doesn't mean femininity is not important. It is it's extremely important But it's masculinity that's been at the forefront of all this stuff the actions the physical actions the bravery the fighting the bleeding the deaths The construction of our whole country Even beyond america to other countries that we're allied with they're close to us It's a credible insight that you have Do you feel a sense of responsibility to police or address? Bad behaviors that exist inside of the manasphere Like for instance when people act out and they do things that are perhaps overtly violent stuff like that People are quick to say oh that guy was a consumer of so-and-so's content Do you feel compelled to address that and to either? Say no, that's not the case or yes, that is the case and that's unfortunate. That shouldn't happen. Whatever. Yeah So on a bigger scale, you might be referring to like roman mcley He went on a shooting spree in late 2021 It's people he knew so it wasn't quite your ordinary mass shooting people he worked with in tattoo industry or something like that I never met the guy never talked to the guy on the phone or anything We traded a few twitter dms. I was about it and tweets publicly I put out a statement on that so there's the official, you know 21 studios A statement on that So big scale stuff like that, you know jack donovan also put out a statement He never met the guy either and never talked to him, but the guy quoted jack a lot Interesting, okay So, you know with some big big hot profile stuff I think it's you know, completely reasonable to put out a statement to clarify In black and white plain english and what the details were what the facts were stuff like that On a micro scale or a more like, you know, a manasphere fraud scale I do feel a sense of responsibility to help clean up the manasphere to make the manasphere great again I think it was better in the 2000s. There was a lot less fraud. There was still fraud. It was not none There's never been none. There will never be zero. That's not a reasonable expectation It's like there can't be zero crime in a free society. That's just stupid But i'm not going to be the dick police, you know I'm not going to be here every day of the week trying to hunt down every fucking fraud that exists That's just dumb. I don't have time for that and it's not At some level you have to let the free market kind of play itself out let people expose themselves implode over time You know, one of the reasons i'm the only one doing a manasphere event the longest in the world the biggest in the world Is because I had the tenacity to persevere over time Through my own obstacles and my own life that also got in the way of doing events There have been many other manasphere events well over a dozen of this point big ones used to be 300 400 500 guys Had these things huge right some of these went two three four five six years. They're all gone now The average manasphere guy doesn't even know what they're called. I do I knew the founders in most cases Some of them spoke at our event So sometimes things just implode on their own you don't even need whether or not it's fraud Or i'm not saying every manasphere event was fraud. That's that's false But a lot of things just kind of worked themselves out So I don't have to be like the dick police with every little fucking fraud And i'm not so i'm not here to be a policeman I'm here to like crack the whip when there's some major problem going on There's a guy who's really betrayed what he believes publicly massive hypocrite or a liar on a material factual basis Kahneman sharp for example has been beaten up on single moms and fat women for years When he was secretly married to in some private way a older much older woman They also made fun of for years who was also a single mom and lying about it saying it was her niece It's not I've talked to the husband. I've seen the divorce documents. I know it's to be a fact So there's been a lot of really serious fraud that's gone on the manasphere It's disgusting just over used car salesmen roll in the odometer back lies Shit that you in other industries you could go to jail for And you know in dating advice you're not going to go to jail probably but things like false advertising and this you know Hardcore kind of scams and you know financial fraud too, right stealing from people Anthony where can people find you? 21studios.com they can on the web main website They can also find me at 21university.com. They can also find me on twitter at beach muscles They can find my personal youtube channel anthony dream johnson And pretty much just go on youtube google or bing or whatever and just search anthony dream johnson You'll pop a lot of profiles. I'm everywhere. You know, I can't get away. So perfect. Yeah with the 21 report I'm frank peshy with president of the manasphere anthony dream johnson. Thank you. Thanks frank