 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 20 minutes, me, Adam, and Justin have some nice conversation. We talk about podcasting tricks. Those shucksters. What are these guys up to? What are they doing? Things, we talked about our significant others listening to Mind Pump, what they're critical of, how Justin's wife doesn't like the show. I never said she didn't like it. She just doesn't listen. The only edit we ever did was when Sal talked about Jessica. Stop. Then we talk about the weird... She was just the kids in the car. The weird virtual world. You're gonna have to listen to this episode to know what I'm talking about there. And then we mentioned the Organifi Green Juice. Because you chugging it right now, because you sick. Yeah, I got a little sick, caught it from Adam. Should've known better. Nice to make it out. If you want a discount on Organifi, go to organifyshop.com, type in the code Mind Pump for 20% off. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, do we ever freak out about aging? Is that something we're worried about? I'm rocking the grays. Here's Hans Zimmer today than he was yesterday. I'm rocking it. Then we talk about what kind of advice would we give ourselves back in the day before we started working out? Like what's the one piece of advice if we could deliver to our younger selves in regards to fitness? What would that be? Then we talk about how we could fix the public school system in regards to health. Of course, don't forget, Mind Pump has all the answers to everything. If only we had that kind of power. And finally, we talk about some of our weaknesses that we started with, that have now become our strengths. Now we're left with no more weaknesses. We're talking about the business, right? That's right. We're just strengths everywhere. 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You can find out about all of this at mindpumpmedia.com. It's been a while since I offended anybody anyways. What's the last thing I offended people? It's been at least 24 hours. No, it's been a long time. When it was the last time I ruffled enough feathers that people were like, oh, that was just not good. Yeah, this is good. Let's think about this. What was the last time any of us- I've been pretty busy. Who pisses off the most people? For sure me. You think you? I think so. Is it even close? I start a lot of fights. Yeah. I do start a lot of fights. Right. It's rare that somebody gets on our form, because our form is normally our best pulse, right? So it's rare that somebody gets on the form and actually points out something you said and says like, I can't believe you said this stuff. Although it's happened. You know what? People try to debate me more. I think you're right. People just get pissed off at you. Yeah. That's true. Yeah, exactly. They like to- Actually, the only one that's ever, I've never gotten really hate mail, have you? No. Justin has. I got that girl. Yeah. You ever got hate? He got hate mail. Did you really? Yeah, because he said retard. What was that? Oh, did I? Remember that? That was a long time ago. That's right. You can't say that anymore. No, it wasn't me. That was Adam. Oh, Adam said it. It wasn't me? But they messaged you. They messaged me about Adam. I didn't fucking say that. They were afraid to inbox me. You got to tell Adam the same offensive things like that. I was like, oh man. Kind of retard doesn't know how to use a DM. They went around me. I was like, wait, did I say that? You can't say that word anymore, you know what I mean? It's super offensive. We did it early on. What? I said that early on. Yeah, you did it early on. We were working stuff out. Come on. I was fucking, I was in- Well, it's hard to keep up with what you can and can't say. It's true. It happens too fast now. And let's be honest. It's in a title right now. Go ahead. And we don't edit anything. Yeah, that's true. Did you see me? I defended you today when somebody was trying to get you about something you said. Like, they were- What did I say? You gave it, you fucked up an analogy. Oh, did I? Yeah. You fucked up an analogy so somebody gave you shit. So of course I'm going to defend you because I fucked up- Oh, I said you could attract more flies with- With honey. The honey than you can with vinegar? Yeah, I don't know. You fucked it up. But whatever, you know what I'm saying? No. But yeah, hold on a second. I'm just kidding. Yeah, I know. You know what I was trying to say? Yeah. Nobody knows what we're trying to say. I know. Yeah, there is no- I don't even know a ramp analogy or a watery analogy. I was making it up. You were. It didn't work. One day, there's going to be like a major calamity. We're going to need to solve it with something and that's going to be the answer. You know what I mean? One day I want sound. I just want to be silent. Just let him keep working it out. Just let him keep working this one out right here. Justin's like an M-knife. I do that all the time. I'll do the same to you then. No problem. You're like an M-knife. I just keep rolling. I just make the word up and keep shifting with it. Just keep shifting your way through. Who's with me? Electronical or what? Dude, let's go. Let's move it along now. That was a good one, though. I don't even remember how I used it. Electronical? I missed that one. I wish I would have heard that. Electronical needs to be a word. It does. Because if you- I still believe it is. I mean, it does sound like what, you know, it is something. But it's not. You know, you have two options. So electronical. Can you get the electronical version or the manual one? The electronical version. Yeah. Hey, I got the old cars with the wind-up windows. They're not electronical. Yeah. See? That works. Totally understand what you're talking about right now. It does. Do you run on gasses at electronicals? Rarely ever do the words that make up not make sense. They make sense. People are just mad because someone else didn't fucking- because someone didn't put it in the Webster dictionary. Fuck you, you know what I'm saying? Why can't I use that one? Yeah, why is Webster the one that decides that anyway? All right. Damn. No, but somebody gave you crap about that. And I'm like, come on. You know what? We could be like every other podcast and edit everything. I'm sorry. Everybody does. They do. We haven't met- we haven't met a single- so I'm putting everybody on front street right now. We haven't met a single podcaster that just rips and puts it out there. Nobody, right? You- and here's some of the tricks, right? I'm gonna put some people on blast right here. Not individually. Just so the audience knows what's up. So I'll trick- Keep it between us, audience. A trick. Just- just you guys don't tell everybody. So a podcasting trick, right? One of them is to obviously edit out all the ums. Just by editing out ums or the delay between like conversation back and forth or like when Justin were to go off on like a ramp and water analogy. That's like one thing. So you would have cut that out. Or the other thing that's popular that people don't know they do is they speed it up just a fraction. And when you speed it up, just a fraction. Some people speed it way the fuck up. Well, yeah, some people speed it way up. But just by speeding up a fraction makes you sound smarter. 100%. Right, yeah. So- Talking faster makes you sound smarter? Yeah, that's why I do it. Yeah. If I talk normal- I just blaze through it. It is true, though. We haven't- I can't think of a single- Have we ever cut anything? The only time we have ever cut, I can count on one hand, I know at least two times I said somebody's name. That's it, yeah. Doug has had to pull their name out. Yeah, we don't want people to get arrested or killed. Yeah, yeah. So other than that, I don't think there's ever been a time where- Did you ever do anything? I've never- I've never- You know what? That one time you said that thing about Jessica, Doug had to edit that out. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks, man. He's joking. Wow, he's joking. Honey, oh no! That one time you said something about Courtney, I remember that one time. Doesn't matter, she doesn't listen. I got that going for me. How many episodes do you think Courtney's actually listened to? Maybe like three. That's it. Total. She doesn't even know what you do for a living. How come she listens to this? She doesn't even know what you- But she's like, I get it. You know, like I've heard you talk and I get it. You know, it's like I don't need to like sit and listen to you. You know, I'm like, I get it too. Did she tell you that- Didn't she tell you when she first listened like, you're not funny, I listen to you all the time or something like that? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's why I don't want her to listen. You know, it's like- That's all the stuff like she'll roll her eyes at me. You know what I mean? She critiques you afterwards? I don't even know why Adam was laughing. That was funny. I'm embarrassed. Jessica listens to every episode and she's so like fanatical about it. In fact, that if I interrupt her while she's listening to it, she gets pissed and she stops it. And she's like, I have to roll it now. Yes. Oh, yes. So like a foreign animal. No, that's Katrina's exact same way. I'll come in and if she's like in the middle of listening to the mind pump and I'm like, I'll tell you what happened. Just mute it. Let's talk. So how many times has she like not liked me or Justin? Like, have we said something on the show? No, what's actually really funny is she never says anything about any. She is hypercritical of me. She never, she has never said anything that Sal could have been better about that or I can't believe Sal said this or Justin Wilde went that it's always God, you sound stupid today. No way. Yeah. Ouch. She's like, why does my man have to be sound like the bro? Like, you're not a fucking bro. I'm like, I don't sound like a fucking bro. So she gives me, she gives me the most amount of shit for sure. Really? Yeah, absolutely. She never says anything. There's nothing you guys ever say. You can't ever do anything wrong. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Thanks, Katrina. Yeah, it's always, it's always how I could have. And it's, it's never like, it's never like, um, she's always critiquing like how I talk because I told her, I remember the very beginning when we first started this, I definitely think that, you know, especially when I was competing and we're talking about macros and was like, I was a hundred percent embodying the, the bro side of the business. And I would always tell her, I'm like, well, listen, hun, somebody has to talk about that stuff because people want to hear about it. We have to be popular. I've learned this, right? Right. So like, let's be honest, things I'm into are not popular. You fucking know this. Yeah, we can't do a whole episode on May spells. Yeah. Just talk about it. Just nobody wants to hear it. So. Yeah. And I'm like, the other two guys, they're fucking, and at that time, Sal was married. I'm like, you know, Sal's married. Justin's fucking married. You guys both have kids. I'm like, they're not going to talk about vaginas. Somebody has to talk about vagina. It's so true. Yeah. If we're going to be the Howard Stern of fitness, someone has to carry a lot of weight on your back. I was. Yeah. But now I feel like, you know, there's a little bit more balance on the show. I don't have to talk about vagina as much. You know what? If we are going to be self critical, here's the one thing I, I hate hearing that we do, and we do less of it now. And we've talked about this, but I hate what we do this is when we have a guest on the show and we all like laugh at every fucking, oh my God, you're so funny. I know. Why are we flirting? It's like a reaction. Well, it's a weird predicament to be in. Think about it, because we're, first of all, we're all nice guys, right? But we, but we don't bullshit either. So, but there's this fine line. It's like having a guest at dinner at your house. You're trying to make him comfortable. Well, yeah, you're coming over and you're in our territory. You're in our facility. Right. And if you say things that maybe we don't fully agree with, ah, I don't, I don't want to embarrass you or be a dick. Right. So I feel like there's this, we kind of overcompensate. It's like we want that, like going into it, but like, then we start to meet them like, oh, they're just a person, you know, like, oh, like, I, like, I want to like challenge them hard and check them hard, but you're just like, I'll let them figure it out. So then we go the other direction. Yeah. Then we go to the complete opposite. Oh, that was so funny. You're so great. Yeah. They leave all happy. We're like, damn it. I catch it when we, I catch it when we do it too. And I annoys me. But you know what though? I don't think it's ever, I don't think it's ever happened on a guest on a second time or a third time though. Like once, that's all out of our system now, right? Like most people that will come back on the show. It's the first time. Yeah. It's like the very, it's just kind of courtesy. Like I'm not going to be, I mean, I'm sure the audience would love to hear the drama of like being a dick or being hard right now. But that's not how you make friends. They also, there's also this perception I'm starting to realize when guests first come here who, who know about us and listen to the show, they think we're fucking gonna party hard. Like they come in. Yeah. I'm doing cake stands. Yeah. What's going to happen? We're the drugs. We're going to actually record a show. Do some YouTube and talk about it. We should all walk out with just like powder all over our face. He's like, hey, welcome. Make it look crazy. You know what we should do? Start doing jumping jacks. Along those lines is the next like, like super square fucking guest that we have. We should have like a pile of like flour or sugar. A mirror. Yeah. Like a mirror. Do a mirror and just do like a mound of like, don't even say anything. Right. Don't even say anything. Juice. And if we had Taylor, if we had Taylor hide a camera and dick over here and actually video the whole thing of the guest coming in and you just leave it out there like it's no big deal. You know what we do? No one say anything. We just have some random chick just walk out. What we'll do is we'll cut up a line of like flour, but put it like in front of their chair and we'll have them come sit down and we'll all leave and leave them in here with the camera in the line. What if they go do it? Right. Like no, no, no. It's making so much. Tell me that would not be a fun prank though. That would be funny just to see them bring it up. Did you have another scientist? Did you want to put this away? Yeah. Or they got all weirded out and just left. Just bury your face in it. Are you ready to do this? This is how you do it. When they meet us and they realize we're just mostly business. We just sit down and do mostly business. Speaking of drugs, let me tell you something right now. Sudafed combined with cannabis. Amazing. An interesting weird combination. I got the Sudafed because I'm coming. I got a cold or something coming on. Thanks Adam. But I feel cold and hot. Double up on your organifi, bro. Green juice it up. This is what I love. So I had two servings already. Pound the green juice. Shiver and sweat. It actually, that was pretty, normally I do all the emergency and be drinking like crazy like that. But I had, I was doing like three of those green juices with big old thing of water. And I, for the, I don't handle. You were only sick for two days. Yeah. I got bounced back pretty fast. So I'm, typically when I get sick, I'm a big baby. I'm knocked out. But I actually work still. I still did my thing. But I, this one's kind of weird. It's like, it's really, it makes you feel fatigued. I just don't like it. When I get sick, I get emotional. I don't know about you guys, but I get weird. You know what I mean? You guys don't get that. Well, yeah. You guys told me that. Cause like what, Adam, you look through like all our five star reviews and start reading that. Watching like teen. 16 and pregnant. Like pregnancy. You get emotional too. Yeah. I don't eat what it is. Sentimental emotional. I get like angry. The 16, I do have patterns and I've definitely picked up on them. The 16 and pregnant and the reading the reviews thing. It has to be like a total pity party for myself. I'm feeling sorry for myself. 100% is what it is. Right. It only makes sense. Right. It's like, I need to read all these reviews that say nice things about me. So that makes me feel better. Right. And then I watched 16 and pregnant to watch these loser kids that are having kids at 16. You know what I'm saying? I didn't do that when I was all feeling bummed out. It fucking helps. It does bro. It was good. It was good. And I tell this to anybody who's listening right now the next time you feel really down and feel sick and depressed like go fucking watch 16 and pregnant and read five star reviews about yourself. If you don't have any five stars. Yeah, just go for it. Yeah. If you don't have any five star reviews about yourself, have a friend write you. No, the last time I was sick both of my kids almost made me cry because I was on the couch and I was just fucking bummed out, feeling crappy. And they brought me a blame. Both of my kids brought me a blame kick. Can we get you something to drink? And I was like, oh, what? Yeah. Look at this. Taking care of daddy. Look at this. And then like... Two minutes later, they asked for something. Can you buy me a... Hey dad, I want this on Steam or whatever the fuck the thing my son uses for video games. Is your kid into that yet? Not yet. How old is your oldest? He's seven. Seven? It's coming. It's coming, I know. It's coming soon, dude. What's coming? So it's called... All the video games. Yeah, but Steam, I guess is the company you go through and you can buy like different things you can use in games or different games. Exactly. I don't know what it is, but if you go any... You have that section at the grocery store where they sell gift cards. So like you could go to Applebee's or Amazon or whatever. They have these Steam cards. They're called Steam and they're gift cards. So that's... To give them things in the video game, right? In game or games. Do you understand how brilliant this is? This is relatively new. It's a cool topic. So I find this very fascinating and I can't remember what book I was reading that they got into this. But I know Justin and I went through this a little bit when we were playing on the app and listening to developers. But the poker, right? So poker makes the... What's it called? The video poker? The free, right? No, it doesn't charge you or anything like that. It's crazy how much money that makes because what they do is they start you off with and I think it's a freemium model. Right, right. So you get $10,000 to play poker. And I love playing Texas Holm. So my buddies and I would play with that. Well, when you run out, you have to wait, I want to say a day before you can start up again and get a new $10,000 or you could purchase like right away. You could purchase half a million for like $5. So... Just to play. Just to play. And you do it. You buy it because you don't want to wait. You don't want to wait a day or two. It's this whole... It's so fucking smart. This whole economy around it and I learned about... It gets you hooked in it. So these games, what they do with kids is like... So you can buy... Either you can work through the levels and earn the machine gun or earn the armor or earn the superpower to jump higher. Whatever the fuck it is. Or you can buy these cards or things and they... And you jump past all that. Yeah, you jump past all that and you have... So there's a whole... There's a whole economy around it and a whole culture around it. Like, here's something that happened to my son the other day. He has items in this game that he plays. Like there's just particular guns and their value goes up based on the economy within the game. So it's not a set price. Oh, really? No. So you could find something and it'll be worth more money because more people want it. Type of deal. Oh, I see. It's pretty crazy. So my son had this gun that was worth... He said it was worth 30 bucks. So they're implying scarcity. And I think so. And you can trade. You can trade with other people. So then people are creating these fake accounts to scam other people because of the value of these fake items. So my son got scammed. He was so pissed. He was so mad. He got all... He was all angry. I'm like, what's the matter, buddy? And he's like, he didn't want to tell me. Finally, he kind of broke down and told me what happened. He was going to trade his $30 item for a different $30 item that both value was pretty equal to this other guy. So he went to this guy's site and what he did is he... The URL address was just one letter off. So it looks the same. He goes on there. My son gives him his item. Doesn't get one in return. Totally gets scammed. Wow. But there's people on there that do this. They steal or scam kids. He can report that account and all that. He did. He did, but it happens so much. My son's like, nothing's going to happen. Nothing's going to happen. So these guys go around scamming kids or whatever because these things have actual value and... So crazy. Nerd predators. And you'll sell them. And that's what the guy did. He went on the next day and he sold it. He sold it for actual money. What a hustle. Real money. A dick. Isn't that crazy? It's crazy that we get ourselves hooked into that, dude. That's so nuts to me. Talking about being in the virtual world, it's already happening where that's where the money, the transfer, everything. Virtual currency, yeah. It's crazy, man. There's also... So I don't know if you guys know about this. I don't even know... This was a while ago when I was training this one client. It's like Second Life and all that. But there's virtual bars. There's a virtual bars that you can go online where you chat with people. You can buy them virtual drinks and gifts. Yeah. And depending on the value of them, you'll get more attention and you can flirt. Have you seen that Second Life game where you create your own persona, almost like World of Warcraft? But it's like... I mean, it's like all sexual and crazy. I'm like a werewolf with this huge hog. What's going around banging chicks? What? I swear to God. Check it out. What are you into? What is this? I watched this. This was on one of those shows like Taboo or one of those things. And they were exposing a lot of what weird shit people are into. And this is like a huge community of people that are creating this version of themselves that's like this fantasy character. And then they meet people and they date and they talk like through... And their characters have sex? Yeah, through chat or whatever. And they make their characters have sex. What? It's hilarious. And they're fucking really into it. So the people who argue that when we can plug into the internet, like our minds and go in there, people are like, oh, people won't do that. Yeah, they will. It's already happening. It's already fucking happening. Well, I think... And I definitely... Nobody's gonna want to live in the real world. It's gonna happen for sure in sports. Yeah, like centaurs banging... We're not far away from like this full... Because sports is huge, right? We all know the NBA, NFL, soccer. I mean, that's fucking huge, right? This whole... We're so close to having like cameras from all different angles, all over the field, the courts and everything. So you as a viewer can have any angle, and then I think the future will be they'll have these little tiny cameras and their helmets. You see where the quarterback's looking at. So I can like, we sit down, we're gonna watch the Sunday's game, Niners vs Cowboys. We already have that in... And I'm gonna be Dak Prescott. You're gonna be, you know, you're gonna be someone from the Niners, and you're gonna be... You're gonna actually be... They're already practicing with that. Yeah, it's gonna be... Like, I know one of my friends, he was one of the quarterback coaches for Cow, he's not working there anymore, but they were actually experimenting already with VR, and they had, you know, all the players wearing VR and then practicing with it and stuff. Dude, imagine a stadium, right? Imagine going to a stadium, where that's how it's gonna be like, everyone will have the goggles on, nobody will be actually watching the live game. You'll have the goggles on because... Mark my words, bro. It'll happen. In our lifetime... Especially on a Super Bowl, that's probably when they'll roll it out, right? Bro, imagine that, and then... I'm sick with that being... Imagine how interactive, you could not be more in the game than to actually be able to be the view, the view from the player that you like the most, and you could change it whenever you want. So I'd be like, now I want to be Dak and watch what it's like from quarterback view and shit. And they have all their own, like commercials and shit. Right, dude. It would be crazy. It's gonna be a weird world thing. It's gonna be, dude. It's around the corner, man. It's coming fast. It's coming real fast. Today's quaz, being brought to you by Chimericoffee, is the only coffee that is infused with all natural neutral picks for a cleaner, calmer, and more focused buzz without the crash. Click the Chimeric link at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code Mindpump a checkout for 10% off. It's the motherfucking quaw. The eagle has landed. First up is from Roman Reboot. Do you guys ever freak out about aging? Funny we bring this up. I was talking to a client of mine, literally today, about Botox. And she's been doing it for a long time. And I was just listening to her share it. But I was just thinking about how fascinating that is that we have these things that we can do now, right? And along the lines of what we're talking about right now, like what's the future like? What are we gonna be able to do and stuff? The only thing that I freak out, that freaks me out about aging, is potential disease or immobility. That's really the only thing that worries me, although that will eventually happen no matter how healthy I am. I'm sure at some point you're gonna lose mobility. You may develop some health issues. If you're lucky enough to live long enough, by the way, that is a blessing. I know people hate aging, but not everybody has the luxury of aging. I've lost close people to me, who died young, who I'm sure if they were given the option would have loved to be in a situation where they got to freak out about aging. The book A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle, I highly recommend it to people. In there, he talks a lot about a lot of interesting things, and there's a lot of paradigm shifting topics. But one thing that he said that resonated very strongly to me was, you're in your life. You're in this life, this world. Nothing you can change. You can't do anything about certain things like aging. There's nothing you can do about it. You're gonna age. There's literally nothing you can do about it. You can choose to fight it and hate it, or you can choose to embrace it and love it. That's really your two options. There is no other option. You can't stop it. Well, you don't think there's a middle of that though? You don't think there's like a... embrace it, the fact that it's happening, but then still do things that could benefit the process, right? Well, that's embracing it. Embracing it doesn't mean I'm gonna just give up on life. Embracing it means this is what's happening, and I'm just gonna enjoy it. I'm not gonna hate myself. Okay, because I want to clarify that, because I think it could sound like you just... Oh, I'm getting old, because some people say that too, right? Like, I'm getting old, so fuck it. You start becoming more passive with all these things happening to you. Well, I see my buddies are like this. My buddies are just, and they love to golf and fish. Nothing wrong with golf and infission. I joke with them all the time. That's like, hey, are we just like hanging it up? Like, we're snowboarding, fuck away boarding. Fuck all the stuff that is hard for us because we're older now. Like, we're just gonna stop that and then just hang it up. Like, to me, there's a difference between being okay with aging and then just like folding your cards or giving up, because it's hard or it takes more work now to stay younger looking, right? Yeah, and that's the thing. Especially modern Western societies, we look at age in older people, and I put that in quotes because it's like anybody over the age of 40, we look at as not good. We don't want to look like that. Everything's gotta be young, everything's gotta be youthful, but there's a lot of benefits to aging. There truly is. Like, experience and wisdom. I'll tell you what right now. Like, personally, personally, I look forward to the entire aging process. Most part, I don't think of it negatively, and mainly it's because I know how much I've grown, like me today versus me 10 years ago versus me 20 years ago. You got a lot more to say now. Yeah, I mean, it's like all this experience has amounted to like a better story and a better conversation that you can pass on to people. Like, I feel like everything was so self-centered and self-focused like as I was younger and growing up and like I had all these like pursuits that were like very myopic where now it's like, okay, I can consider a lot more things because it's like I've seen so much more and like, yeah, I have no fear at all about aging. It's just like some of those health things that I really want to make sure, like I maintain strength. I want to do these things that are harder for me. You know, I don't want to just, you know, start like scaling everything down and back and sitting more and you know, being more passive about how things happen to me. I always want to be, you know, in the driver's seat. So I think that's just... Yeah, I'm not afraid of it at all. First of all, one, I think as a male, I think we, most men tend to get a little bit better with age, even physically. I think most women would agree that they're more attracted to a 30-year-old man than a 20-year-old man and maybe even arguably a 40-year-old man than a 30-year-old 20-year-old man where it's a little bit different for women, right? Most men would say like, you know, women at the age of 20 are more attracted than they are at 30 or whatever. And there's, of course, exceptions to rule to everything. So I think in general, as men and at our age, you know, I think that I, or at least I feel like I'm still getting better with age right now. Like I, you know, from that standpoint, but I fear the same thing that you guys fear, which is I, you never know what could potentially happen, you know, with 10, 20 years to come. And my greatest fear is just getting something that I had no control over that keeps me from being able to be physical or moving because I'll do everything in my power to eat correctly, to train, to take care of myself to make sure, because my goal is to be 80, 90 years old and still a very physically active person. Like I want to climb things and do and accomplish, you know, physical feats in my 80s and potentially in my 90s. Well, it's interesting thinking about that too, because like you mentioned like the really hard stuff, like so there has been a little bit of a shift, you know, because I used to really try to beat my body up and like really kill, you know, workouts and do all these things and like go for these sports that were super aggressive and physically taxing. And now it's in sparse. I'll do it in like sparse amounts just to maintain, you know, like I can take on these tackle these challenges but like thinking about more longevity and like I still want to incorporate, but I'm not out there like pressing so hard that oh man, I got injured again. Now I got to recover and then do this whole thing and then this hurt. Now I'm going through this process again. Something you want to consider is that if you value growth, which I think most people, if you ask them, if you ask them and you sit them down and you say, okay, do you like growing as a person? Do you like learning and growing into something, you know, better? I think most people would say yes. Without realizing that growth only comes from discomfort. It only comes from challenge. There is no growth in comfort. There is no growth in, you know, everything's great and I'm, you know, la-di-da. Otherwise, why would you grow? It comes from challenge and, you know, looking ahead, you know, you can play, and this is a great thought game you can play with yourself, as you can imagine what would happen if I were immobile, you know, which could happen today? I could get in a car accident. I could lose my legs or, you know, God forbid something happened to my spine, I'm paralyzed, whatever. I would have to make a choice at that point, too, you know? What am I going to do now? Am I going to embrace it? Or am I going to fight something that I can't, you know, get rid of or change? And that's just really the mindset, I think, the best mindset to be in. The other thing, too, is when I trained people, I love training older people because I identified really quick their intelligence and their wisdom in the smallest ways. Now, this doesn't mean an older person is always going to be, you know, a wiser, smarter person than a younger person, but an older person is typically a smarter, wiser person than their younger selves. And there's a lot of wisdom you can get from older people when you talk to them about certain things, like you ask them about relationship advice or business advice or family or raising kids. Even though you may disagree with certain things, if you kind of pay attention, you're talking to somebody who's been on Earth a lot longer than you. And I don't know, I can't wait. I can't wait to see how I think and feel and do certain things with another 20 years under my belt. Like, what am I going to be talking about? What are my ideas? You've got to be able to tell, I can already tell the difference in 25-year-old and 35-year-old me. Oh, huge. Yeah, I'm so, so much more mellow. Like, you just don't give a shit as much as you did before. Right? Just stuff doesn't rattle you up like it used to. And I think that, I think this is something that was kind of cool. I used to always ask, so I used to run boot camps all over San Jose. And I had, you know, always 20, 30 people in classes and mostly middle-aged women. So I had, and some men, but from the age of normally 40 all the way up to mid to late 60s. And I used to ask this a lot. I used to love, I used to love talking to these clients because there was always so much information to gain from them. And I had everything. I had from, you know, CEOs and tech people and construction people. I mean, you name the type of careers and entrepreneurs. So just a wealth of knowledge to pick from. And I used to always ask them, like, you know, hey, what's it like getting older? And, you know, do you remember what's your favorite year to be alive? And thinking that they would be like, oh, my 30s were awesome or 20s were just great. And they all say now, you know, that no matter whether I was talking to the 67-year-old or I was talking to the 50-year-old or the 45-year-old, it was a common theme that everybody was like, life just keeps getting better. You know, for what you think is going to be bad, like the physical things, like, so the 25-year-old mind, you know, the guy asking this question at that time is freaking out because I'm like, I don't want to lose my body and my looks and those are the things that consume you and think that it's so important. As you start to get older, that shit becomes less important. You value, like, wisdom and knowledge, experience, those things become more valuable and you start to realize that more of that comes with age and time, right? Because you create this ability, you create a passive income that allows you to travel more and do things like that. I mean, if you would ask me, I remember being a young 20-year-old kid that was very ambitious and I wanted things. I wanted houses, cars, watches, toys. I wanted stuff, you know. And I used to always think it was crazy people that wanted to travel. Like, why would you want to? Well, you spend $10,000? That's this much money towards a badass car or that $10,000 I could have this thing, right? And that stuff, it wasn't until I got older and I did more traveling and I settled down and I started to appreciate those things. So with age, I believe we start to our value system changes, the things that we enjoy change. You're just life experience, man. You're going to have challenges. You're going to have good things happen. You're going to have bad things happen. And you learn and grow from them and that really comes with experience. But it's easy to find people who freak out about aging. It's easy to find people who don't want to age and they don't look very happy. I see them sometimes, especially around here. Well, you point this out a lot, Sal. You talk about, that's one of the scariest things about people in the competing world or beauty pageants or models or celebrities. Yeah, you've identified, I mean, so much of your happiness has been surrounded around the way you look. Everyone's telling you how beautiful you are. Oh, you're so beautiful. You're so sexy and photos of you all the time and staring at photos of yourself all the time. And then that eventually does go. And if that's all you've identified with for 10, 15 years of your life, those people have a really good time with that. I was watching that HBO documentary. What is, again, the defiant ones? Defiant ones. Stevie Nicks that they were interviewing because she used to date Iovini. And when you see the camera come up close to her face and she's talking, wow, you can see all the work that she's had done on her face. It's not moving. And I've met celebrities in person. And for anyone's listening who's ever met a celebrity in person who's identified with their youth and now is in their 50s or 60s, it doesn't look good. You can see that these people are really trying to fight something that's inevitable. It's going to happen. That's a tough place for them to be too because they see all the work that they're not getting anymore. And it's all based off of that. It's a very shallow existence when that's your goal. I just want to enjoy it. I want to age well. And the best way to do that is by living well now. Really, the difference between now and... You can look good. Yeah. The healthier you look, the better you look. Just healthy. That's just what it looks like. I love... And as far as being attractive, I'll tell you something right now. And I know you'll agree with me. I've seen women in the gyms that I've managed who were in their 50s, 50s and 60s even. And these women were... You can tell I've had decades of fitness in their life. That's why they stand out. Because they're in the gym. They're in their 50s or 60s, but they've got good muscle shape. They've been lifting weights properly. They're very healthy. There was one woman in particular that worked out a goal that I used to go to. And she was 62, I believe. And she had long... She didn't dye her hair. So it was all pretty much gray. And she would kind of tie it up and she'd work out with weights. And you could tell, she looked really good for her age, but you could tell she didn't have any work or anything like that done. And she was a sexy fucking woman. She was hot as hell. And the dudes in the gym, I remember seeing the young guys, would kind of check her out. Sex appeal... There's definitely a physical component that's objective, like the way you look. But there's that essence and that energy that you put out. And then we've all experienced it when you meet someone. Swag. And it's healthy. It's health. Be healthy. And you're going to give off that appeal. Quick commercial break, you guys. We keep getting asked all the time, how can I support the Mind Pump family? Here's one of the best ways you guys can. You guys love that chimera coffee that we have. Chimeracoffee with a K. You go to chimeracoffee.com. Put in the discount code Mind Pump for 10% at the checkout. If you guys have not tried Ben Greenfield's new bars out, they're fantastic. If you want some, go to bengreenfieldfitness.com forward slash nature bite. Put in the code Mind Pump and get 10% off. Go check it out. Next up is from Danielle CF2000. If you could go back in time, what would be the one piece of advice you would tell your pre-pubescent selves about fitness? We're getting real touchy-feely today. Pre-pubescent. You know what? Sal picked the questions today because he's all sick. So I read it by you. So all these questions are all... Memories. Right? Feel good questions. Feel good questions. Yeah, I would... It's good. I think if I had... If I could go back in time and convince myself, because I'm a hard-headed fucker, so I would be a tough... I think it would be tough to convince me, but maybe if I saw that it was me later on, I'd be like, oh, shit, he's from the future. I would say... I would say don't take any supplements because you're just wasting your money. I would say train your full body three days a week. You know, stop the body part splits and don't force feed yourself as much as you are because it's not benefiting you. You're not gaining more muscle from it. Focus on real foods and you'll save yourself a lot of health problems later on. Those are the three main things I think I would tell myself. I would definitely... I would echo that for sure. I think I would tell myself the same thing and I would add in their steroids because I did that in my early 20s. So it wasn't pre-pubescent, though. That's the only thing. So if we're trying to go all the way back, way, way back... Well, you guys didn't start till later anyway, so that's fine. That's what I'm saying. I didn't even start lifting until... Yeah, it was just plain sports, really. So if I'm talking about when I first started working out and going back, I would tell myself to not do that. I would probably educate myself on the nutrition component better, have a better, under-full, understanding of health and nutrition. And then I would probably tell myself to probably pace myself a little bit better. I think as a young kid, when I first started working out, I was definitely somebody who was in the gym twice a day and hammering the weights like crazy and just stuck in this trap of... I could just could not put weight and size on. And it was just the hardest thing in the world for me and I struggled with that so much and it was... I just had a lot. I was doing a lot. I couldn't eat enough and that's also what led me towards the steroid thing is because I thought that was the difference between me and everybody else that had gotten super ripped and buff and I would educate myself on that. I wish Huey Lewis could do the song for this segment. What was the song? Gonna go back in time. Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah, that would be more epic. I don't know. I didn't work out until later. So 16, something like that, more resistance training-wise, but as far as what I was doing, I definitely could have used a lot more structure with planning out the workouts and what I was trying to accomplish. I didn't even put any thought in that direction. I was just trying to keep up with whoever was benching the most or whoever was like... that was all I was fascinated by. I was like who was the strongest in whatever particular lift it was. I didn't really educate myself as to how to incrementally overload and progressively get there. It was more just like, ah, what can I lift today? So there wasn't a whole lot of thought process behind that. And also, I think definitely the nutrition side would have been a huge game changer if I would have put any sort of attention in that direction. I remember just going with whatever was popular at the time and throwing a ton of creatine, not even measuring it out, in with all this protein powder and just trying to load it with as much calories as possible to just throw this bomb into my stomach and gain weight. And so yeah, I mean, I could have completely done it differently and then benefited more long-term. Maybe that could have been the start of my specific stomach problems and things like that I could have avoided, especially just the quality of food was just terrible what I was putting into my body. I think that if I could change anything, it would have been just starting with quality foods and whole natural organic foods back then. I had a go-to meal when I would, let's see, by this time now I'm probably 16, 17 and I would drive, well, oh my God. That was a staple in my diet, bro. I used to fuck those up. Bagel dogs, dude. Because they were low on fat, bro. It was the crush. They were low on fat. They had protein. They had protein, they were low on fat. I remember as a kid the day I discovered when I discovered peanuts had protein. I remember that. When I first discovered peanuts had protein, I was like, I'm gonna eat a fucking jar of peanuts. Anything that had protein, I would just eat a shit ton of, but my go-to meal, I'd drive to Hillsdale. This is before they moved to 24 Fitness over there. I'd lift forever. I'd grab an American bodybuilding, oh sorry, I would drink a blue thunder before my workout because blue thunder had the most ingredients. You guys remember blue thunder? ABB. ABB. It had the most ingredients. What I mean by that is I would grab it, I'd turn it around on all the label. There was like 50 different like anabolic agents. Oh my God, I'm gonna get all those. I had Smilax. Remember Smilax? I was like a big supplement back in the day. So I had everything in it, so that was my pre-workout. Then after my workout, I would drink Amino, I think it was Amino 2050, or 2500 which had 25 grams of protein. And then I would pound that and then I'd drive to McDonald's and I'd get a double quarter pound of a cheese meal, so it was a number four, I remember the name, super-sized plus a 12-piece nugget because I'm like I want calories. And I had no concept of the, but I'm gonna flip this on its head. Let me say some of the stuff I did right. Here's some of the stuff I did right. I trained my entire body from day one, which most kids didn't do that. I didn't. That's an adaboy. You both did two things, you both said two things that I thought now listening to you talk, if I could go back I for sure would. Programming, I was definitely the guy who was like muscle confusion. I was confused in the fuck out of my muscles. I was the PR changer. I was out there confusing the fuck out of my muscles so much that they didn't want to grow. They were confused. They didn't know what to do. They were confused as fuck. Which way do we go? So I would definitely change that. Programming was a huge deal. Once I finally put that piece together and understood the importance of that and kind of phasing in and out. That was a major, major game changer for me. What was the other one you just said? Well, I just trained my whole body. Oh, yeah. And then I didn't do legs. I skipped legs forever. For years. And the main reason, too, was I actually went mechanically. I'd do squats and my low back would just fucking kill me. Should I forget it? Yeah. And I would always come revisit it and try it. And then I'd be like, oh fuck. So I leg pressed and leg extension for like 10 years of my life. Literally. Like that long. It was that long. And then it was like, okay, then I started, I gotta do more for my legs. So then it was like all the machines plus lunges. That was actually my original leg routine or my first favorite leg routine was leg press, hack squat, leg extension, leg curl. That was it. I literally did that until I worked out with a bunch of power lifters and did squats for the first time. And then it was, I would do barbell squats or front squats and sissy squats. Those were my, and dead lifts. And then I started doing those. But I was already pretty young. I was only 15, 15 or 16 when I started doing that. And I also identified weak body parts on myself and targeted the hell out of them. So I was a 15 year old, 14 year old kid doing rear lateral, rear raises for the back of my shoulders. Like, you know, most kids wouldn't do that. You know what I mean? So those are some of the stuff I did right, but everything else is pretty much wrong. Some of the things I did good. If I were to say some of the things I did, what I did good was I definitely, because I was so muscle confusion based, I definitely trained in a lot of different modalities, a lot of different planes. Like, I was in great shape. Like you, I could run with the, I could run with the best. I could jump with the best. I was decently strong. I wasn't the best at anything, but I was good at everything because I trained like all different modalities. And I could hang with you in a workout, like stamina wise. I was decently strong for my size. Like so, I did that pretty well, I think as a kid. I definitely stayed in programs too long because I'd, I'd marry them. Like the first workouts I did were kind of like Arnold Schwarzenegger style split, you know, routine, because I had Arnold Schwarzenegger's encyclopedia. So that's the routine I followed. Then I switched to Mike Menzer's heavy duty and boom, I built some muscle. So of course, what do you think happened? I married that, right? And I stayed in that shit too long and my body stopped responding. I just kept doing that. You know what else I did really well that, and it reminds me now that I listened to Ben Pak a lot because he preaches this like crazy. I was very mechanically sound. Yeah. I was just gonna say that. I was super into mechanics. Like I was, I'm bad. I used to pride myself on lifting next to some, you know, meathead guy that was swinging the weight around. And I would grab like real lightweight and just be controlled and look like perfect form, you know. So I took a lot of pride on form and I used to never care about PRs. I used to never care about how much I was benching squat. Any of those movements, I was so mechanically driven and I think that definitely set me up for a lot later on to be successful. I think, yeah. So if I have to, I have to come up with something that I did do well. It was definitely master the skill of squat and bench and I actually did a decent job of just focusing on like power clean and I just never dead lifted. So I think that obviously power clean, I'll get some form of that in there, but it's more of an explosive, you know, complicated movement. But like those were like my three that I was just like adamant about like to PR, you have to like really, you know, get in good with the mechanics of it and master the skill of it. So I took that all the way from like early high school all throughout my college. Now was that because did you have a football coach that implemented that? Is that who taught you? That's originally who taught you? Did you guys get taught? Everything was revolved around those. So you had your coach, did you have anybody at him that kind of taught you anything? Wow. Boy, you make me, let me think here. I'm trying to, no dude, we were very much so self taught. I was, you know, body for life and you know, muscle magazines and Yeah, same here. I didn't have any. Yeah, we, it was my buddies teaching each other, teaching each other, bringing each other magazine articles. Oh, let's do this work out. Or like, Oh, I saw this, let's try that. Or I talked to the fucking supplement kid. Well, it was a man back then, the supplement man at the fucking, you know, protein store or whatever. And he's told us to do this. I actually, that's literally like how we learned. Actually, my dad had a friend who used to compete. This was back then. So he competed in the 80s or whatever. And he was a muscular dude. He was a chiropractor and me and my cousin, I remember we were going to, they were visiting and my cousin was super excited. Cause we're these 15 year old kids who are trying to build muscle. And we knew this guy used to be a bodybuilder. And he walked in and he was like the buff this dude at this point I had ever met. And so we were super like, like nervous, like, but we want to ask him, like, what are some secrets you could teach us. And I remember his advice, which was fucking great advice, but I thought he was bullshitting me. I asked him, I said, what is, like, what can you tell us? We want to build mass. Like our goal is to build some mass. And he says, here's what you do. He goes, eat real food, eat a lot of it and train your whole body three days a week. And I remember we left when he left that night. Me and my cousin pin drops. How old are you? Like 15. Wow. Me and my cousin was great. Me and my cousin actually got an argument over it because when he left, he was like, well, maybe we should try it. And I'm like, no, he's obviously not telling us cause we're kids. He thinks we're kids and we can't do it. And that's why he won't tell us. And we had this whole debate, like, was it true or was it not? And I'm like, none of the bodybuilding magazines say this. Like they're telling me to take all these supplements and do all these other type of routines. He was being, it was the best advice. I just didn't take it because I thought, I thought I'm a kid. You know what I mean? Why would he tell me the truth? Fuck. See, we're ready to receive. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. Next question is from Sir Casey Bro. How would you train the public school system in health? Sir Bro. Boy, we need a whole overhaul Oh yeah. Dude, we do. We needed a whole. First off, let's make it a priority. And I know people have a concept of education and think, you know, they're there to learn, you know, important skills that are going to help them with their jobs in the future, like math and science in particular. What good are your jobs? You can't fucking move. Well, I mean, Take care of yourself. Here's the thing, like these are public schools that we're talking about. So we're paying for them with our tax dollars. We're going to go bankrupt because of our poor health. That's a fact. Well, that's what it's going to take for them to start making, implementing these changes in this direction. Maybe, I hope so. Because this is the first place they come from there. Aren't there studies too right now that are out, like to show like a, when a kid gets like 15 minutes of play every like hour or two, like their ability to focus on something is like significantly higher. I mean, there's enough stuff out there to show the importance of the exercise and movement. And I think like as a kid, like that's, I mean, if I had full control, right? Like money didn't matter and we could do whatever we wanted. I think I would definitely have a classroom setting that would be even potentially outdoor and active and moving and with all different age groups. So I definitely believe in the having, you know, kids that are five, six years older than the kids in the class, both, you know, so a wide range. And then there's physical activity built into the curriculum. So it's literally like mathematics isn't just sitting and like writing math on the board. It's like going out and like adding things up. Yeah, well like combining it. So like Dr. Ed Thomas, I always like kind of go back and see what he's doing because it's really interesting and how he implements both together. Like, so it's not just like this clear division of like, hey, recess and now everybody plays and runs or whatever and they don't incorporate it. They basically sit all the rest of those hours, right? Right. And so he actually like has scheduled breaks like, you know, 10 minutes where everybody gets up and they do like calisthenics or they do things that requires like your joints to move in all directions. And I mean, it's great because then the productivity goes way up. You know, the kids, you know, retain a lot more of what they learn and it's just like it's and they stay in great shape and there's less absences. You know, there's just so many benefits to it. They don't look at like, you know, all of that as to what it could be. Well, I mean, when you have a bunch of kids who are sitting in their desks and you're trying to teach them something, you're actually going to be more effective if you had them like on the like, okay, everybody get on the floor. We're going to do these stretches while you're stretching. I'm going to go over this and talk to you about this or whatever and then interact with them. It's actually you retain things better that way. That's the trick that I do with my kids all the time. Yeah, it also gets them to stretch at the same time. But you know, this is interesting because the more schools have actually gotten in trouble for telling kids what's healthy to eat, what's not healthy to eat because then kids go home and then their parents eat like shit and they go, oh, The parents don't like it. They don't like it because you're telling my kid what I'm eating is not healthy. You're telling my kid whatever and it's an interesting situation to be in. I definitely think we should talk about health with kids starting very young. All the way up and talk about all health, total health, mental health, physical health, emotional health, who to talk to when you feel a certain way, why we eat healthy, not attach it to being fat or being thin, but attach it to our well-being. I like that mentality of adding in all these bullet points of how much more productive they're going to be, how much more they're going to retain from whatever they're learning for the day and all these different sort of positives that we can highlight and show just like start small, start with like a 10, 5, 10 minute period where the whole class interacts and they do something physical and then go right back to work and see what happens. The other thing too is have you guys seen school lunches? Not now. They're terrible. They were terrible back when I was a kid. They're still terrible. They're absolutely fucking horrible. It's like super unhealthy food that you give kids. Nobody's innovated this. No, and it's not... Whatever happened to... What was his name? Jamie Baker? Jamie... He did the whole thing where he was trying to travel all over the country. Was he the garden guy that was doing the vertical walls? No, no, no, no. This guy was trying to just... He was trying to bring awareness to childhood obesity and the problem in schools and he did the whole demonstration of what a chicken nugget is actually made of in front of all the kids and so that and it was like gross. I think he just pissed off a lot of schools. He was on... It was a big deal when he did all this. Some of these food organizations, these big food companies are some of the biggest donators to the school system. They're some of the biggest ones and they have partnerships. Like high schools will have Taco Bell... We'll have Taco Bell on campus or we'll have Pizza Hut on campus. We have Pizza Hut and Taco Bell on campus. That's right. Soda machines. Soda machines, big money. Every single day through high school a soda and either Taco Bell or Pizza Hut was a staple midday meal for me and then candy. I'd eat candy in class and I would eat Pizza Hut or Taco Bell with a soda. That was on our campus. That was the norm. And that was the good food because you could get the cafeteria lunch but that was like shit. That looked like something they made a month ago. It was just terrible. So it was like, yeah, of course I'm going to get Taco Bell or freaking Pizza Hut. That's way better. And it was like the same price. Like, are you kidding me? This is fucking... I don't have a $5 burrito from Taco Bell. And you couldn't get better advertising for a company like those like Taco Bell or whatever because they're literally training you as a kid to eat their food to make it in your mind feel like it's okay to eat this as a kid so that when you have kids... Forming that palette, dude. Oh, yeah. It's fucking terrible. It is, it is a... You know, and I think it's like there's such this hard area, right? Because I feel like we get on it so bad. It's like, okay, eating Taco Bell once or twice is not going to kill you. That's a big wheel to turn, man. This whole food topic with schools. It's a monster one. I tell you what, I wouldn't want nothing to do with it. Oh man, lots of legislation. That would be bureaucracy. Be too afraid to tackle it. But a lot of people are kind of... How dope though would be... They don't think about it. How dope would it be though if part of the school system or part of the school is they had their own like farm. Yeah, you grow your own food. Some schools are starting to do that. I've heard about like some initiatives. That would be cool because then like educating them on the food like... Lots of science there. Right. And physical activity there. We're going to get out and we're going to hoe it and get it all ready and pick it and pull it. And prune it. Yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. Carrying the water over. I mean it could be... And what's cool about that is it could be a class and physical activity at the same time. It's applicable because then you can take it to your house and like have your own like sustainable food. And you get pride and you have pride in your... Yeah. And I feel like you could educate on the benefits of this whole natural food versus what, you know, they're selling at recess you know over there for whatever. Yeah. Imagine if you're a teacher, you know about healthy food and you're about to tell the kids, you know, pizza hut's unhealthy and it's on the campus. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I know. Like you might, that's a conflict of interest. They're just going to kind of turn tune out. Let me ask you this. Well, and then she's also eating it on her break. Yeah. Kind of hard to do that. Just healthy kids. Justin, your kids played sports too. Do you guys rotate who brings the snack for the kids after the game? Yes. Are you the, are you the one that brings the health? You guys bring the orange slices. The orange slices the other parents bring the fruit snacks, right? Yeah. Yeah. It is frustrating because it'll be like, yeah, like popsicles or it'll be like rice, crispy treats with all this like, you know, chocolates, donuts. Yeah. That's happened before. Dude, when I was a kid, it was orange slices. That's what we got. That was like as healthy as you got. That's all we got. Our after game and halftime game snacks were, like my daughter plays soccer. She's over her games over one of the other parents. I give you a bird of kale. And I tell my, and my kids know they know, and I don't say anything because I don't want to, like I said, this is like a, it's her game. You know, I'll provide the healthy stuff healthy most of the time. And I don't want them to have a negative relationship, but they know because the parent will open the box. Oh guys, come on over and it's fucking donuts, adult sized donuts for these little eight year old kids and they're grabbing it and my daughter's looking at me like, my head like, you fucking like, why would you bring donuts? They gave them Oreos. Like, I was like, fucking Oreos. Like, dude. And the kids are so excited. And like, what pisses me off the most really is Gatorade. Like, we're never going to be sponsored by them. Fuck that company. Like, they made, they made these shitty drinks that kids think are healthy. Yeah. Because, and they're like, just pure bullshit. Michael Jordan used to drink it. It's fucking colored and he brings it there thinking it's like, oh yeah, the kids need it. I'm like, no, they don't fucking need that. Every time you say, electrolytes, it literally puts peptides in electrolytes. It puts me back into that conversation when we were being pitched that day. Oh, I love that. Such a vivid memory of like, somebody. You guys ever heard of electrolytes? And like, we're like, holy shit. We're taking you on. This is brand new territory. Can't wait to tell our audience. You should see, they're bringing the snacks. Oh no. They dread it. My kids will see me preparing something or my daughter or my son if it's their game. And then she'll look at me and be like, are you bringing the snacks today? And I'll be like, oh man. Because they know it's going to be like mozzarella sticks, fruit, something healthy. And then the kids when they come up after the game and I open the bag, here you go guys, apples. I know. And water. What's wrong with water? So crazy. It tastes like nothing. Quick commercial break. Hey, you can ask us all the time how they can support Mind Pump. Here's what you can do. You can go to www.brain.fm forward slash mind pump and get 20% off Brain FM for meditation or focus. You can also go to audibletrial.com forward slash mind pump and get a 30 day trial plus one free audio book. Lastly, you can go to getnatureblend.com forward slash mind pump and you will get a discount on Ben Greenfield's CBD product. This question is from one rep at a time. What was an area of weakness you faced when building your brand? How did you overcome it? Would you consider it a strength now? Oh, I can, I know exactly what we do. Building our brand? I know what we do. Oh. What our weakness is that now we've worked on is we are all visionaries. We're very, very good at that. We love that. We could sit down and conceptualize and come up with great ideas and concepts. And we love doing that. Organization is very difficult for us. It's very, very difficult. And the way we've overcome it or we're overcoming it is we hire people to do that for us. Exactly. Which it was a rough road to get to. Definitely a rough road. But I mean, I mean, that's what you got to do, right? Otherwise, we're going to focus on something that we suck at and end up not doing what we're good at, which is the visionary part. Yeah. I think that's it. That's more business, really, not brand. So brand, are they talking about like us as far as training? I think they even at want that. I think it's anything to do with the business. But what's a weakness in the business that we first started that's probably a strength now in the business? I mean, I could think of lots of little different ones. I mean, everything from the facility that we're in right now, there's, when we, when you first started, like we were having to go shoot at a different gym where we were recording in Doug's living room when it first started. So the quality of everything that we that we do now is at a much higher level than what it was when we first started. So I think it's a strength. Now, I think I've only been in one studio that I think has even comes close to the level of ours. And that was a fucking television. It was television, right? You were going to say Telemundo. Telemundo. Destinos. So I think the level of our operation now is, I used to say this, right? I used to tell, I used to tell people that were close to me that most companies today with social media do it, the fake it till you make it, they pretend like they're a million dollar company, but they're really, they're really not. We were the opposite. Like we, we were, even when we were starting to have success and doing better, you would have never guessed because we weren't flaunting cars. We weren't, we weren't in a badass facility. We weren't doing those things. I actually feel like we're finally, we finally look like we actually are, which is, we are a legitimate business and company with employees and contractors and people that are working in the facility around the clock. So, I think that there's a lot of little stuff that's improved like that. Overall, even just like if you talk about the brand in general, you know, we've hired somebody now that manages the IG page. Taylor does an incredible job with that and I see that right now. I think, I love the way the Instagram looks right now for the mind pump media. Oh, he's done a great job. Yeah, I think it looks really professional. I think it looks cool. I think it definitely fits us. Oh, I got to, we're getting better at that. Yeah. And I think, I think one of the things that maybe some people might have thought was a weakness was, you know, the way that we just, we, we spit it out. We spit it out, unedited, you know, like the way that our delivery, even with YouTube we're out there. We have it already in our head and we kind of do it on the spot, but we don't like clean it up, you know, like it's not like we take that extra long time to really overly produce all this stuff. And That's a good, because it's become a part of our brand. It's our brand. It's our brand. And now we're like sort of, you know, cleaning up pieces of that. So like, along with what you're kind of saying as far as the look and aesthetic of what we're doing and everything is what we are, you know, and it's definitely working for us. I got a good one. When we first started the show, we did the first, I don't know how many episodes we did, quite a few and we had never interviewed a single guest. We did most of them where it was just me, Adam and Justin. And we have really good chemistry with the three of us. And when we first did interviews, it took us a while before we got comfortable doing interviews because we hated doing them. And episodes suck. It sucked. They weren't, they didn't feel well. To a point where we actually considered at one point, never doing interviews. It was because we had a new person in the room and we, all of a sudden our chemistry was off and now we're just like three people trying to do this robotic thing of interviewing or whatever. And that took a while. It took some practice before we started to feel good. And now I think we're pretty good at it. One of the most common things that we get complimented on when people leave the show. And that, at least for me, that's been probably one of the coolest things as far as receiving a compliment is when people come take, get on the show as far as an interview and we're talking about bigger named people that have been on Joe Rogan's and bigger shows and stuff like that have told us afterwards that this was the best interview I've ever had. People love the conversation style of interview that we do. Everybody else. It took us a while to figure that out too. What we literally did was we just said, hey, you know what? They're coming in to our chemistry. Yeah. Let's just include him in that. Remain true. And then it just, what happens is the person, and this is usually how it breaks down, we like to meet with people before we record a podcast. Very rarely will they come in and then right away we record. We'll hang out with them and initially you can tell they're like, they can feel it and they're trying to kind of get into it right now. And then the interviews get a lot better. That's probably the best example. Well, it is the best example because it was for sure a weakness. We all hated it. We all said it was terrible. And it has probably become a staple. Like it's definitely a strength of ours now that to the point where people compliment us that, oh my God, that was the coolest or the best interview I've ever been a part of. So I think that's a for sure one as far as other stuff. But it's got a lot better. It was all selfies. I don't know. You know, I don't know what I was doing. I mean, when I first started, I had no idea what you do on this fucking site called Instagram. Yeah, I think I got a trophy for mine. So it was pretty cool. What do you hear? We, I think the the whole all of that's coming together right now too. So actually, I think an area that's going to be a strength of ours. And again, we hired, we hired out here. So we worked out a lot of things that were not really concerned or worried about what other people thought of us or the image we were putting out there if we looked big enough, like none of us gave a shit about that. We had other things to worry about. And now that we're in a position where we can afford to hire people to help us, we are now finding the right people that compliment the business. And so honestly, there's a lot of exciting stuff happening right now in the next like 90 days. I mean, the complete websites getting changed, salary revamped, the nutrition guy, which is coming out again, like a lot of cool stuff is coming down, down the pipeline that I think is going to be a strength of ours. Because we really haven't, we haven't done any marketing, which is crazy to create. It's crazy to think that this business is where it's at with zero dollars really well, other than the the porn ad and a few Instagram celebrities we tried. It's a black guy. But for the most part, we haven't spent any money in that direction and we are, we're heavily vested in that direction now and it's all getting put together. And so it'll be interesting to see it all unfold. And I do believe that we have found the right companies, the right teams to affiliate with and I'm really excited because I think it's going to be a major strength of ours. And I can't wait till we get to a point where we can just start like we've talked so much about going on the road and visiting gyms and visiting in our format. I can't wait for that. Our intros? Oh, oh yeah. So much better. And like just the way the show's evolved, like I listened to some of our older ones and I do think that we've started to kind of hone in on the format. For sure. For sure. Want to add that. Excellent. Check it out. Go to YouTube, Mind Pump TV. That's our channel. We post a new video every single day. I'm ordering you to subscribe. Also, if you go to mindpumpmedia.com, you can register for 30 days and maybe it's lots of great information we've put together for our audience. It costs you nothing. Go to mindpumpmedia.com and register. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at mindpumpmedia.com. 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