 People are saying that they are not wise, them they are saying that I think they are the ones that are not wise because everybody, even the baby, they would like to live this country, the way this situation is right now, Nigeria and even Mia would like to jack back. No, no, no, that's about to come back, no place like home. That side is not helpful. I don't think they are coward, they have their reason for running, because like you all understand before, whenever the place they went to is not okay with them, they will come back and say no place like home. They are not coward, they are just going there to look for what, they are just looking for their greener pastures, that's just it. So for us that are here, we don't say have the money but I think it's great to go to help us. That's your choice, I won't call them coward, but I kind of feel like I will save like millions of nera because you want to travel out and at the end of the day, what if, because people need to have this thing in their mind, what if at the end of the day they deport them back, where do they want to start from? Well, I won't actually see people that run away from the country are coward, instead of they went to seek for greener pastures. And those people in Nigeria won't say they are brave, instead of where you see what you are looking for, how do I put it, where you see what makes you better, that's where you stick. I actually don't think it's cowardice, I think it is cowardice to actually stay back and watch something you cannot do anything with and keep staying. If you have an opportunity to go and to make yourself better, to come and tackle what is here, why not? Well having heard what the people have to say, I mean there are diverse opinions at this point and trust me every one of these opinions are very valid. The people living Nigeria at the moment, do they have their good reasons for living Nigeria at the moment? Well, I more than think so if you ask me. But then again, those who are not living Nigeria at the moment, some are into the fact that they can't afford it at the moment and then some are into the fact that they are just really patriotic and they don't want to live Nigeria as well, people like me. However, I always pray every day for a better Nigeria because it feels like the economy is working against its own people but we can only pray for the best. Well, this is what I, you say it and of course we are getting opinions of people on the streets. Thank you for watching Best Cities. This is your girl, Oluwa Damilo. Until next time. It's safe to say that Nigerians are generally patriotic people. They are proud of their country's rich culture and history and they are willing to work hard to make Nigeria a better place. However, there are many challenges facing Nigeria such as poverty, corruption and insecurity. These challenges can sometimes dapple Nigerians patriotism and continues to contribute to the increasing immigration of Nigerians to other countries in search of greener pastures. Deli Farotimi has however said that the Nigerians live in Nigeria accounts. So we are asking, do you agree? Let's hear what you have to say. Remember you can join the conversation. Send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081 083 846 63. Tweet at us at Weissho Africa 1 with the hashtag Weissho. Hi ladies. So, I mean we had what everyone had to say and to a large extent I agree with everybody. Someone had said that there is a reason why Nigerians are running and when he said running, I'm like, you mean fleeing because people are literally leaving the country every day. They are going through various means. People are searching for the best way to live, the fastest way to live. All they want to do is to get out of the country and that's because of what is happening in the country. The economic state is really crazy. I was having a conversation with my friend today she said that her uncle, she said that he wasn't expecting this. She said, what do you mean? He said, what he said was he was voting for Emiloko and she said, but I told you, right? Before the election, I said these things to you and I told you why you shouldn't vote for this person. We suffered enough and if you can't see the suffering that has gone on in the past at least look to the future and see that things might not change and even before this present government a lot of Nigerians have been suffering. So it is start now. It's something that has been ongoing for years since I was born till today. That's what I'm saying, since I was born till now I am getting old. I have never seen the country getting better. So the truth is, I am older now and people are still complaining. The complaint is a lot. You realize that family members are leaving, friends are leaving and the honest truth is it might not be as rosy as that over there the grass might not be too green but to a certain extent it is green. It is greener than Nigeria. For some people, we know that sometimes people actually go there and paint it and make it look like it is rosy, it is juicy. Once you get to the abroad, you get to the UK, US or wherever immediately in months you are making money and you are leaving lavish. But then the honest truth is, that's not the case. Some people are suffering but you know the astonishing thing about it is the fact that some people prefer they rather suffer there than stick it out here in Nigeria. And that's really sad. The fact that we have gotten to this level because ideally your country is your first identity and your country should have your loyalty your patriotism, your best wishes your prayers, all of it. No matter what you do to an American they will say God bless them. Even if someone killed their child today they will say God bless America. Do you understand that they have grown to that place where they have sought faith in their country. So now back to the question which is, are Nigerians cowards for leaving? First of all, no, I don't think they are cowards. And then we look at what is the situation of the country. Yes, you highlighted it. But also looking at the fact that oh my goodness, I think I had a blackout. Absolutely, okay. You don't stay loyal to people when you don't feel like they love you. They value you. I have said a lot of things which I agree with him but on this particular issue of being a coward I do not. Because he talked about levies and taxes he also talked about the public figures and how they make fun of the low income enners allow them to breathe and all or not. And those things hurt. There is a certain threshold people can hold on to. You can be a freedom fighter you can carry Nigerian in your head every other person should do the same. There were people who came out and fought for answer they ended up losing people it broke them. What did they do? They carried their bags and left. There were people like DJ Smith that she was here and for a long time she was been what's the word like they were looking for her so she had to leave as a refugee to Canada and I think she's still there right now. So yes, these people, they are not cowards there are so many reasons why people even our leaders that I did not flee in Nigeria for medical reasons. Because Nigerians who are living ideally you are giving an example of your friend that left because have daughter needed stem surgery so she had to leave and move there. Are you going to call such a person coward because Nigerian hospitals are not able to cater to her medical needs. So that's a bit extreme. Let me come to you easy. What are your thoughts and Nigerian cowards were living? Apart from being cowards we are far from being cowards actually I enjoyed watching that interview but when it got to that part I didn't quite that didn't quite go well with me because we have a lot of questions that we need to ask and these questions need to be answered and how do we ask those questions I can start with the salient questions such as why are they leaving what means are they leaving with what are the reasons that they are leaving and where are they going do they feel that when they leave Nigeria they would have better they will walk into a greener pasture and we also have to ask the question can we die for Nigeria if we want to say okay we are patriotic Nigerians can we die for Nigeria the questions are much but we need to also understand this that living in Nigeria you have to be resilient you have to be determined you have to be independent you have to learn to think outside the box of what the economy or the environment is throwing at you you need to think outside the box and that has made us as Nigerians quite resilient in everything we do and when we go outside we excel in so many ways can I bring it back home and say that the country has groomed us in such a way that when we find ourselves outside the shores of the country we can actually hold our own without anybody instilling any sort of fear in us so again is it cowardice? no it isn't cowardice it is survival Nigerians are trying to survive in any form in any way they find themselves and that is why if it means they have to travel abroad to survive and have the level of sanity that they think they deserve they would if the thing that it can stay back and face the jungle like everybody is facing it they would face the jungle so it is all relative to the reasons why they are staying or they are going but again there are lots of questions that need to be answered and yes there are a lot of answers that need to be given to Nigerians to give them that reason for them to stay back because they feel that the country has been excellently or exceedingly good to them alright do you know I am going to come to you next well let's take a short break I will see you shortly if you are just tuned in it is our ladies night out and we are discussing daily Faroutini's comments on ways exclusive where he said that Nigerians live in Nigeria are cowards do you agree please let us hear what you have to say remember you can join the conversation send us an SMS or whatsapp 081 803 84663 so we are also at wayshow Africa one with the hashtag wayshow our phone line is now open please call us on 0700 25 007749 I will take that again 0700 25 007749 please remember to turn down your TV set so Jella over to you well I think that saying that Nigerians are cowards for living the country is a very it is like an over simplified answer to a complex situation as a matter of fact I would say that it takes absolute courage to live in Nigeria to go live abroad I agree you are leaving the comfort that you know you are leaving the people that you love you are leaving a lot you are leaving this this being you know so well you are leaving the security of being in your father's land because if anything happens I mean you can make one or two calls right there is that security you know your family is here and all that and then you are going to some place where you probably have never been and then you are starting life afresh with new laws with a new culture you have no idea about with a new life in such a way that you may suffer ridical because you are probably speaking in a way they don't understand there is that there is the fact that you don't even know how they shop it's as simple as that you don't know how to communicate it's as simple and these things can give you this sense of depression right you may get there you don't have a job but you still say that you know what for this reason I choose to just want facts all over again that's absolute courage so you I'm not sure that it is right okay do not hold that thought we have a call we have a caller young guest old man can you hear us how are you fine good evening long time how are you let's hear what you have to say it's a really the world do live in Nigeria in the sense of that part there are cowards from they are about to meet they are about to meet someone that I do know to you just whatever I know that man is someone that speaks from his heart and speaks in a different fashion sometimes when I see him talk I immediately remember a lot you know he talks directly he talks to the soul and is a real somebody but in this case I define him 100% I don't really see it the way see it I don't really know what brought up to his own perspective or whatever rather I would have I would have now I'm not going to say that those that are investing are brought are cowards but no those that are going are brought together to better life to come home back to better their people at home not to prove in fact in very hard for somebody to leave their loved ones so my home married they leave their kids and their wife see you need to think with somebody abroad they have great perspective and see their emotions that come out from whenever I speak to them at home these guys miss home they feel in fact let me tell you they suffer more than we do you need to get one and speak with them but we can openly they are brought up and talk to them at work these women miss home they feel that they are more correct than us about issues that happen here sometimes a guy one of my friend you know he would say I am worried about this place he is not even saying like when where how me when they said I am going here he was saying I am giving you here I am saying I should change this and this and this and when you go there is true so when he said they are cowards for me I totally this I don't believe one and a fifty five percent but i love that man and he made me understand a lot of things from a different perspective but for this one those that left this country they left this country because they see a place that is making them go much and they are okay why is it that most people that lives here and go there you see them more productive because the enable development allows them to be productive thank you youngest old man i honestly agree with him well let me finish let me let you finish yeah so i mean i i think that um again you see on the on the flip side you you may want to look at where he is coming from yeah he's looking at see that okay if everybody leaves you are going because people did work to make that environment conducive if we all go if we all leave then we'll build nigeria but we will not all leave let's just shut that down right there we will not there will always be a remnant even if it's a real rapture there will still be a remnant so we will not all leave i know but of course we all know that mr deli faruti is a is a passionate person about nigeria and i want to say that i am i'm almost certain that he's speaking from that angle you know but even at that even at that the truth is not everyone would would put in the work to make the country better that's that's your next truth yeah even in playing in civilized countries of the world every day we still see violence erupting every day we still see people breaking the law people making you question the fact that right truly want to go and live in this country so that would always people people migrate for different reasons yeah all over they migrate from developed countries of the world to other countries yeah people live america to go and live in kenya yeah there was actually a couple that recently they migrated for they were in the news i think see it and they migrated from the us to go live in anthillie their reason was because they were tired of the gun violence in the us yeah so people migrate for different reasons so i think saying cowards that's a bit stretching it you know i think it's a sensitive yeah it's i think it's a sensitive you there's one thing sorry there's one thing to be passionate there's also another thing for you to be insensitive i understand where you're coming from but like sanzi said we cannot all be here right not everyone will leave if you look at the income level or the income gap not a lot for someone to be a store away in a ship or in a plane you should know that they cannot afford to buy a flight ticket that person is suffering so when you have a government who does not care about its people you're not doing anything to better the lives of people and somehow somewhere someone is expecting them to be patriotic someone is expecting them to be courageous and to stay very sensitive for people to stay you know i mean if you if you look at the technical professions the health workers different countries all over the world i mean those are their priorities because they know that if anything happens these are their frontline you know but in nigeria every day and then you come as a lawmaker or the government you just come and say people are leaving i would expect that if you're saying that you're looking towards transformation or you're looking towards progress do something to change the narrative the first thing you will do is to say okay you know what let me even say god the technical and the professional people in the country thanks let me offer some level of incentive for them to stay let me make it more attractive for them to be here rather than because again you do know that when people in medical field when they leave nigeria going abroad they're going to start all over again yes so the time i am sure they will rather stay here i am sure because i mean you look at your age you look at a lot of things you've earned well in nigeria you live in a good place comfortable and you're leaving to go and start all over a lot of people would rather not do that yeah so if they are doing that you need to sit yourself down and ask and and i mean and there was something that was said about people living when she was you know questioning his comments she was like people are leaving because they want to get empowerment yeah right and coming from the economic hardship perspective there is better reward for labor outside of this country it is true because i've seen it happen i know people when they were here they were making let's say maybe two hundred dollars in in in a month or maybe in a year they're making let's say one thousand five hundred dollars right but that in a year they're making yes there are built they're making maybe like three thousand dollars so much higher eight thousand dollars and these are people in tech that the banks are using and you're paying the one fifty and then you find your way and legally move abroad and you're only as much as seven thousand five hundred dollars in a month right and then is he said something um i think he said something about discipline that sometimes nigeria is a proprietary ground for these people because you can hold that we have a caller hello good evening hi thank you for calling hi my name is karen hi karen let's show what you know to see i i think you are for this opportunity for us to contribute to this discussion yeah i respect this benefit to me is one of those who are doing their best for our country and i cannot see where he's coming from but there are loads of us who have left nigeria for decade and we miss nigeria desperately there's no place like nigeria so it's not my choice that we chose to be elsewhere rather than stay and help build our country it's not my choice we wish nigeria would be different wish nigeria would be kind to both citizens how many of these CEOs that you see on tv part of themselves whether in the form of bank or private sector how many of them really do help how many of them really do give both the part of themselves like they're helping they don't and how many of these like big men would help while theorists who have ideas they want to sleep with us how many students both universities and their lecturers want to sleep and even in the secondary school nigeria is so corrupt that we have no choice we love nigeria more than anything on the base of the earth i win every day i want to come back to nigeria like loads of millions of us and i respect that it's hard to be and i see his point but nigeria is wicked to those people and we're not happy where we are here i pray for nigeria and i pray that nigeria will stay and i pray that god will stay in nigeria i thank you all for all that you do also you are there and have been you're fantastic and you give us hope and i pray that nigeria will come out of this rock of writing thank you so much thank you thank you karen thank you i like what she said right i remember talking to a friend of mine who has been in canada for a long time and she chose a particular christmas to come back home she came back and she stayed for about five months she had to quit her job there and she stayed back she said you know what i need a break and all this while we've been talking until one day she opened up about how things are over there and we wept like really you've been going through this and we did not know and and there was one thing i said to her i'm like see i would always be there for you but then i know that me saying these are just words because i can't be there for you physically right obviously our time zones and the country location is entirely different right i wish i can do more it doesn't make sense that you will go through something like this and you don't have anyone to hold your hands and so many people are going through the same thing be it uk be whatever country they are in people are going through a lot a lot of people want to come back they don't want to stay there because there's still racism you have to fight racism yes you the the money that you're working for every day a huge chunk of it goes to the government and you still have people who are over there and they're still funding the lifestyle of their relatives down here yes by the time they send money back home they have barely they have barely peanuts almost taking out themselves right enough for history people are saying oh we're doing care jobs do you know what a care job is you're working hash whether i was giving you a gist about someone who left here went there and then all she was doing was basically working as a floating box so she appeared boxes from trucks or floating from the company would then into the trucks to be taking out for deliveries and her ship is at night oh and it's very cold but you know what opera said something that sometimes you can love i mean she attributed it to someone but i'm attributing it to a country right now somehow you can love someone so much but then yeah you can you can still work away because i love you too much but you're hurting me like the love i have for you is not beneficial to me is it hurting me right and so that's why you see people don't leave but they they don't know what is going on because that love you have for your country keeps you in the news we are watching you're following up what is going on and some of them even pray for nigeria more than we in here pray for nigeria because that love is genuine it's your country you can't change it right but all we are looking for is okay right now this is what i want this is what my destiny this is what i want the other i was talking about positioning there are certain things you want even academic wise or medically or financially or militarily or religious whatever for so many reasons there are things you want that the country as it is right now whether it's renewed hope and be renewed and intensified hatching it just cannot offer you that right and so at the end of the day you are you are down to taking this very difficult decision of starting off starting afresh isn't hard it's hard i need to have good job for two years or so i was crying every day because i was like everything i know is in Lagos it's it's in nigeria and then talking of people going abroad you have to learn the language learn the tax filing system learn maybe go to school it's it's a lot come on call these people some slack like it's let's not even forget the remittances people abroad in dubaco a lot of families would have perished yeah if those remittances were not coming so really i'm not no no i agree with you i think it's very insensitive it's very insensitive as it stands we're in an abusive relationship with nigeria and yeah we need to get out of it i don't know what's going to happen but the government needs to start doing better right because i want to live a healthy life right i want to have my family here my kids happy and the one thing about life is life without community it's not life the only way you get to enjoy what you have and the money that you have that you're working hard for is for the people around you right but then i just want to play a little devil's advocate right wasansi and adela you have a comment but we'll come to that so let me just play a little advocate i'm going to start with with isi what do you think can happen that would make you leave nigeria for good there are different reasons but i i i can't actually think of anything right now but i know of a friend of mine who said that in her old age nigeria might leave her in the lunch so what she wants to do is leave the country so that she can have better health care in in her old age so that is what i know about so if i can have better health care in my old age why won't i leave nigeria thank you for being very honest sometimes you have it you have a comment oh yes i do um this says good evening my dear beautiful sisters of what are you saying hashtag ways dela farotimi nigerian living a coward do you agree the answer is capital no they are not cowards and can never be i hold this man in highest team and i am highly disappointed in him for making this statement this statement is highly unacceptable you are talking about people relocating to a place that is better for them to get comfort everybody has a genuine reason to relocate my dear beautiful sister jennifer made mention of people relocating because of poverty corruption and insecurity which i agree this is not the nigeria everyone clamor for for crying out loud is everybody's destiny tied to suffering and hardship you anchor very well jennifer keep it up and i know that sister will be proud of you this is daniel ilou ways regular fan we need to understand the context to which dela farotimi was speaking about the nigerians living in nigeria to abroad as cowards i agree with him on the context of nigerians who are living in nigeria to abroad because of the political climate of the country as cowards because they they as nigerians are the ones who will change nigeria's political space apart from this i totally disagree with him because living in nigeria itself is hell on earth because nothing is actually working in nigeria in terms of security employment infrastructure wise health care system and so on nigeria does not create the enabling environment to make peace and joy the peace of the mind to stay in nigeria living in nigeria is like living in a jungle all right thank you ladies before we go do ensure you follow us on instagram our way show africa you can interact with us for the drop of comments and most importantly follow all our social media engagements and remember to like share comments and invite your friends and family to watch us and follow us if you miss today's quote here it is again patriotism demands of us sustained sacrifice and this is by chiang chai oh my god you know what see you tomorrow see your screen thank you so much