 Welcome one and all to the DL debate. Thanks so much for tuning in now on Highland Media or back via the podcast. This is your weekly radio show roundup of all things, GA and the county and what a weekend. It was joining me in studio to discuss all the action. It's St. Junans chairman and record doctor McGuire champion and I have to mention that it's the one only John Jazz Harna you John. And also you're in the studio we get you on there John. So John is being joined by Dara Bonar, Dara's GA corresponding with the Donegal News making his debut as Joe Brolley with a said Dara you're very welcome. Cheers for having me Bryn. First time up at Highland Dara. It is first time yeah. There you go you could become a DJ Joe Dex is here producing the show we'll give you some DJ tips of that is something you want to go down the track of he's producing the night I want to thank of course Donald Kavanaugh for the news and of course Ivan Boland for the part or plus the legend that is Ivan Boland. Just from the weekend's action the ladies championship termination Junans into the senior semi-finals with ones over Maval and Bonkranagh. That's group one, group two yet to be decided St. Noll's currently set top but they're still fixtures to be played there. Kelly Beggs beat Ardra in the intermediate and Neve Wara beat Guidoor by a point. That is your final pair for the intermediate and the junior A Don Lowe are playing Neve Colomba Oris are playing Downins in the semi-finals and the junior B McCool's play Red Hughes Big Derby game there and the junior B Enkel Carpe letter Kenny Geels. John just where we get to the round of the championships the Junans ladies for years dominating football you know fell off the top perch if you like Terman being brilliant you don't gain fun the course Maval had a couple of years at it but it looks like they're coming back to being a solid senior team again. Absolutely Ben you know as you say there the glory days were long ago but they're hopefully coming back to do all the parts there's a lot of work going on Ben but the same in every club they do a lot of work with the ladies football and underage but suppose our girls the big one this year was to go down to Maval and beat them down there that was kind of the shock they put the cat amongst the pigeons in that group and got them in the second place behind Terman and I think Maval ran Terman close yesterday so I don't know what would have happened if Maval had a one that would have been three teams and four points but I think our girls were happy to see Terman beat Maval as opposed to meet McLaughlin Smithson from Maval should be a big loss but now our girls have made good progress so Peter McGeehans in charge and Gordon Randall's helping them so fair play to the boys and I think they're looking forward now deeply and fun they're just not sure where it'll be but they said me fine but aye it's good to see the girls back at it Ben and hopefully you know nice to see them get to the final and you never know what happens in the final. Like I said if it's an ingenious thing John it's a dunny goll thing you know we need clubs like having two particularly I suppose we're going to have a fun term and I've dominated it like you need more players it'll pull in you know and Max he's talked a lot about that about there's been a real effort at underage it was a lot of me Tony Boyle there on Sunday evening for a few late ones and he was talking about all the work that's going on underage. That's right. Because the other counties are having success at underage but we're not John so it was important while that's getting the place that there's strong clubs. There is aye you need a strong you know you need a strong club championship and plenty of players coming from all over the county and you know that's the one you're going to help them as you say with Tony there Tony I think it's four or five players playing away and I don't know we're getting great success but I know our miners had a good year this brand you know that the Neagle miners but it was at sea level so you know they are looking to you know there's a lot of teams ahead of them so yeah we have to start competing more underage and getting back up maybe closer to the A competitions at under 15 16 whatever they are you know same as them as the boys so you know if you're gonna if you're gonna compete at the top level Ben and senior you know you have to have good players coming through the underage structures and that's just that's just the way it is with it with any with any team be it ladies or men you know so Ireland football whatever it is so not a lot of work going around the county and as I said before Ben you know it's somewhat easier for less traditional clubs to come good with a ladies team with a ladies team because you know with men's football it can be tradition big clubs you have a tradition of playing football and you'll be but with ladies football it's relatively new whether say relatively new you know 20 30 years a club can't come like a mobile who wouldn't be traditional you know can't come with a very good team and dominate for a few years and hopefully all their teams look up so you know it gives all their clubs that maybe having such a you know strong reputation of men's football that they can't come with a good group of ladies doesn't follow exactly so that's what that's you know not the same way you're making the point for me that's what I was trying to say so thanks for that we don't you know what to be too harsh on anybody that has a good ladies team this and we're all in this together first time appears we'll start with a nice handy one would you put John Hardin in your best club team of the last 30 years well I suppose that's that's coming back to my head he's heard of the legend I've only pulled your leg how could you not let's be honest but we can talk off air and you can tell me the truth listen all joking to say that looking in just coming in the weekend or did you have a feeling that the top club you know it was going to be a squeeze there and and was probably going to look like Glenn Swilly we're going to be pushed out of that top four was that you're feeling good in the weekend I kind of yeah I kind of thought that like it was obviously going to be a tight game regardless down there and Glenn these I think could went either way obviously Glenn Swilly had a brilliant start to the game to two early goals but I think they've kind of had that a bit this year starting a wee bit slow they've come on massively then really pushed on second half and yeah just I suppose the way Glenn Swilly were going they kind of looked like they wouldn't be pushed out of it but you kind of you were expecting sent units to win you're probably expecting Ballochian on to win it was just that sort of case then we kill Karr you probably thought they were going to win as well surprising enough draw there so yeah it was it was kind of about six or one half a dozen the other like you kind of get the feeling now your own club your mccows man of course start off to mention that you've got this feeling now where for years there was this overbearing dominance from from three four teams that seems to be changing a bit you know you get the feeling that teams are getting back to a level and of course we see Glenn Swilly coming up this year a Rua that there's a few sides pushing up mccools you know are coming back you know I mentioned the Eklahanele before we came in you were at them at the weekend we could talk them a minute but there certainly seems to be a feeling where there's a bit of a catch-up maybe from from at the other sides yeah I think like you have your traditional top four but the it seems a bit more like top two you're pulling away with your sent units and glentes obviously Ghidor last two Ballochian and then with mccools so there is a couple other teams and of course Glenn Swilly so you almost have seven of them coming up there like close enough there's some it's really starting to push on it's getting a bit more competitive but again the top two are looking a bit clear at the minute yeah and John just on it like know your overview of it is that what you're saying it as well like is there a bit of a sense or am I reading that wrong the teams are getting maybe a bit more competitive certainly I would say I mean maybe and I suppose you look at a room particular you know to force their way and that top four but they're playing defensive now have the you know the meta Ghidor team they got a couple of goals at the start of second half could have been different but listen they've done what they needed to do they're certainly on the rise no it's very interesting question Brendan you know you think about it a lot and you look at it in different ways and you know they really shan't think to me they've had a hand enough draw now they will say they bet Ghidor supposedly won the top four there's no doubt Ghidor are good on their day but they have missed a lot of players but and they're not you don't find in all cylinders so to beat Ghidor at home good listen a good result for belly Shannon you know that they lay down a marker there was a bit of needle in the media I think maybe from Emma McGee towards them so they wanted to lay down a marker and they did that and they won all their games that's all you can ask them now they didn't the quality of the opposition wasn't great and fairness to Neve Connell and Glenties they had to play St Junans and Glent Swilley you know when they still came out with seven points St Junans had to play Neve Connell got the draw the rest the games weren't great for St Junans to me Ben still I probably agree with Dara that the top two maybe still a step ahead of the rest now for me Ben Kilkar are very quiet this year but in saying that the result of the weekend against McCool's you know McCool's they're coming with a wee bit of form but you know you would have thought Kilkar would still beat them and that's you know a wee worry for me so I can't see anyone beating Neve Connell Bar Glent Bar St Junans and I can't see anyone beating St Junans Bar Glenties that's the way I see it Ben and this draw now John has really thrown it the way it's open you know in terms of yeah because they could draw each other they could draw each other on a semi-final and that will leave the door open for some team to come through and get to a semi-final or get to a final and like we know what Glent Swilley are like in final spin so you just don't know Kilkar are you know you know the last time I found against Glent Swilley but they've also you know won get over you just don't know so it's intriguing Ben but of Glent of Glent these are St Junans were to play each other in the quarter-final they will still have two hard games against teams common gunning for them in a county semi-final in a county final so it's far from it's far from certainly the one of them two will win but at the same time I still go back to I can't see who else is going to beat them two teams bar each other hmm it's interesting that game which was the game of the weekend Glent Swilley and Neve Connell after a match your buddy Ryan Ferry caught up with Martin Regan was an interesting interview a few talking points in this it was fun again the game was very pure open in 10-15 minutes we were really slow to settle and we get way too bad goals now in that open period and just made life really difficult for ourselves but we responded well from that we you know even after the first goal we got back to we got back to two or three points and then we can see the other goal we went six to and we got the next two points which was important we kind of stayed within three or four and I suppose we're in plays with her we're at half time to get back to one after the start we had so we kicked on again took us seven or eight minutes to get going second half but we kicked some nice scores in second half now and we were fairly comfortable there in the last few minutes I think yeah there was I suppose it was a bit of a cagey start to the second half but you just kept at it and chipped away at the scores they lost Donal Galleher to a black card and you got a few ahead you know Murphy was still able to kick a monster score here from the wing but you just you're able to get the scores then Leo McClune particularly impressive down that home straight yeah and I suppose the black card it did have a burn on the game definitely had that extra man for even on both sets of kickouts we kind of got to grips there kickouts a wee bit during that time as well we we net one or two of them got scores from them so that did make a difference the the black yard offense that stage I suppose it wasn't black yard we might have been in on goal so it rattled the goal but still no I think Leo kicked some big scores in second half we marked him on kick nice score and no it was we kicked some very important scores in that second half and pleased to get the result so that pitches straight through to the quarter finals four fairly tough games in the in the group phase has it taken a lot of ideas I suppose you're glad they're breaking out definitely there the four games you're everybody wants to be playing football in the games week on week of great but there is there's a lot of sore bodies and there are a lot of men carrying injuries the last couple of weeks so it's nice to have three weeks now that we can get the bodies right for a quarter final yeah and is that is that too much of a break or are you happy enough with that or yeah we're we're pleased enough with it to be honest we've we've got numbers down training with the juniors as well with us we've got numbers so we can play our own in house matches if we feel the need for a match at any stage so now we're we're pleased with we've plenty to work on in training so it's hard enough to work on certain things when this game's coming up so not we're pleased to get the break and we'll we'll get about a good bit don't know in the next few weeks and a key man for you is Yunan Darley he didn't play today is there is he injured or what was the story there no Yunan took a bang there last week he was carrying a bit of concussion just after the mouth for the game so we do it we couldn't risk him to obviously be on the three or four days before he's back to anton but he'd be fine now for the next game definitely yeah and an interesting championship so far like you you know looking at it um what have you met him at Eiru whether the team getting the four wins you got through some unions or through Kulkara had a tough game against McCooles today where do you where do you see the lay of the land after the group phase look i suppose lal come down to the draw even as court final stage as to how the draws work work out and who you're playing and things like that but no there's there's a lot of quality teams in and I called McCooles as he said about a draw trail but really impressed them against kind of funnel winds night they was Bradley Walsh and fire up front they're they're too far as as good as any any fours in the county and the two of them together on the same team it's a real handful so I wasn't shocked to that resultry I thought they put it up to the current that's where transpired so they're an open common team and there's plenty more as well you see Glenn Swally out there a lot of young players as well so no the there's plenty teams and plenty dangerous teams in the quarterfinals no matter who you get and you mentioned that you were into the quarterfinals but it's an open draw in the quarterfinals is is that correct do you think or would you rather do be seeding ah look at it's he's here now when we finished the top four but I thought there should have been seeding for the top four definitely that you know there's not a huge advantage all right you have a game less but you know you're asking me was three weeks too long of a break there's an argument that you're you're a better off in the quarterfinals that you get in another game whoever comes out of the employment rounds has a bit of momentum and they're a bit much sharper so I don't I don't see a huge advantage to the top four and we would have said that even coming into today's game I didn't see it as a most one game because you know a game in two weeks that's not the end of the world it's as good as a training session so I don't see a huge advantage to finish in the top four and I think that is something needs to be looked at definitely going forward very very interesting there uh he started off that by saying injuries you know sore bodies get the break but the end he was more or less saying that no big deal that that maybe it would be better to actually have that quarterfinal I always think listen get into the get into the final you know get yourself ready get players rested and get back in but he kind of at the end there was saying maybe it isn't the best not the place that he ultimately had to be in are you surprised at that well I think like obviously with the new structure now the ninth to twelfth at least it gives them a bit of an extra thing to play for but yeah if you're coming the top four you want your seeding and you want the home game and the quarterfinals I think that's the key thing like I mean now we could have potentially the top two that we mentioned playing in a quarterfinal which would be crazy but I mean that's the way it's looking and it does open it up at the same time for other teams which is good in a way but yeah I think he's right 100% that there should be some more incentive for a team to come top four yeah and John where do you where do you line up because if I'm thinking from a neutral perspective right if you weigh the championship because it has been top heavy for a few teams if they keep having the advantage it's going to always work well for them is there not something about the nature of the competition where you say here you got to mix it with everybody in this it's wide open and you got to take the hits and roll with it is that not not create more exciting championship and I know Starris said it might be unfair to you if you go through in your four games you don't get the home seeding and against the weaker team but when we seen the likes of our top team playing the eighth team town it was it was walk over games yeah no correct then and my attitude always was with the championship come back to the days you know neither the most nervous day of the year wasn't ready on a gilded which you miss McGerey used to do the draw at the start of the year for the home and away first round you know when you be sitting listening to the radio it's not much else but you knew what number Neve Browning was and Neve Connell or whoever might be the door and if you got them in the first round the championship then would you know we St. John's got plenty of killer draws in the first round the championship down through the years when it was home and away you just had to suck it up you know there was no one saying oh well we won the championship last year we should get an easy draw this year we went to Glen Swally and what was it 2008 and we went to Gidore and we went everywhere we went to Neve Connell in 2007 when we'd lost the two finals before that in 05 and 06 we went there remember the first round the championship they bet us by 14 points down in Glenties and we came back to the park and bet them and went to the third game so you know yeah I've always been a traditional spend the luck of the draw is the luck of the draw if you get a hard game in the first round or you get a you draw St. John's draw Glenties now in the quarterfinals so be it do you know what I mean that's that's it and I say it does open it up for all their teams a bit of excitement you know another team will get a chance to get into a semi final mightn't have been there for a year some team unexpectedly could get to a county final which creates a big buzz in that playspin and there's no harm you know now I can't see Martin Regan's point he has said like there's no real advantage of coming in the top four so why have a top four you know I can't see that argument but at the end of the day yeah but disadvantage is not John it's you know you're in the quarterfinal you don't have another game that could potentially knock you out and if you do I mean the startlet and view you know you're going to have a few injuries in that in there so surely you would rather be in there oh I think so why not I think you better offsetting back and you can watch solar games now next weekend and take it easy and you know them teams that are in the quarterfinals like St. John's and Glenties are well experienced and they use that time well the Martin Regan will be rubbing his hands and they've been down this road too many times so you know it'll be nothing new to them and and and they'll be they'll be ready for whoever hmm there's a couple of battles and I'll tell you there are your fresh face even with the McCool's men back in the day that's right there's nothing for granted because that home and away game particularly like if you your home game was going to be all out like you're never going to turn over anybody usually easy in their home patch because it was like that was the biggest day of their year there was something to that how we marry these together it's difficult and appreciate where you're thinking is around seeding and kind of warden teams that do well but I just think there's something it's a bit more braver I think they throw it out there in the championship because I think the challenge of being a wee bit steel in terms of the latter stages of it particularly those first quarterfinal games and I think this adds a wee bit of buzz to it it puts teams on the edge and as John was saying there the draw after this pre quarterfinal because we obviously have Glenn Swally, Glenn Fun, you know we're down low wouldn't you know Sean McCool's playing four Masters, Clonnie, Ardraa and whenever that's done you know there's going to be massive interest I think it does create a bit of a buzz it does yeah I mean like I can obviously see both sides I was kind of coming more there from Regan's point of view because obviously he's going to feel hard done by by the way it is but yeah it is it's still a lot better in the sense that there is that excitement now of yeah you've got a good draw you've got a bad draw like we as you said there you've got Ardraa playing Clonnie Lee, McCool's playing four Masters the winners of them could play each other and they're in a semifinal then that's that'd be brilliant for any one of those clubs and no disrespect to any of them not as if they're smaller clubs or anything but traditionally the big four would have been always coming up against each other in that last four I suppose in that sense it is good that we could have a couple fresh faces in there yeah and and listen Glenn Swally had their moments in the first half you just got the feeling me and Eve Connell they've done this a few times in the second half now it's a bit of a warning to have for anybody playing them that once they get momentum in the second half it's a big thing to have in your in your armory that you know the chips are down the beat a few weeks back so they thought that wasn't the case and yesterday on Saturday Glenn Swally six points up at one stage you were writing about where you were the Clonnie Lee four Masters game interest now Clonnie Lee you look at teams are coming up from from intermediate that that's how you stabilize and deal with it we've seen done low mix it there this year obviously Clonnie Lee up as well looking to become you know a senior team and they're certainly doing well this season yeah and they did very well on Saturday actually they were they kind of were hit a couple times early on four Masters couldn't nearly go Richard O'Rourke brilliant play from four Masters and they they they would probably feel hard done by by losing themselves um Sen and Karr scored a brilliant goal for them as well there were two points up at half time and then it was just a bit of an unfortunate one where John Fitzgerald went for a he tried to fist over for a point and the keeper just he tried to catch it and he slipped and fell into the net and that puts Clonnie Lee back level they kind of got the momentum and the home crowd behind them and Fitzgerald again I think he had four on the track then and that kind of spurred them on so clubs yeah like Clonnie Lee did very well four Masters on the other hand would feel hard done by by not getting the two points as well but both those clubs are really like four Masters very young side they're definitely on the up yeah and Clonnie Lee are very well stabilized looking at them in it yeah yeah indeed interesting stuff John what we did you make it to the bridge did you always at the bridge at Britain and exciting first half I listen to get the radio and the guilty goes was asking me about update scores uh because everyone was coming through the years so when I heard a half-time score for two Dunans I was afraid to tell them I said it can't be right you know I was looking up at Dunans I've watched them the last couple of weeks and the scoring part I was thinking you know how how did that come about there was two each yeah I know but our boys weren't good in the first half now they were against a right breeze as they're stiffer than stiff breeze you know so as often happens down the bridge and St Michael's were sitting in but you know our boys now you know didn't cut them open at all went over and back as they do and didn't look excessive enough and they weren't quick enough through the hands and weren't getting players on the ball in the right positions to shoot so and fairness now at the same time I suppose Royals say this and there was no danger from St Michael's they got two points Mark Antony might have kicked a 45 and don't know where the other one came from so they were playing with the strong base and they were no threat so at the end of the day Ben you just knew in the second half St Dunans would win easy and they did but you know whoever was down beside me in the first half wouldn't it was a known how I was feeling about the way they stayed at play listen I can be very harsh on our boys you know because I know what they're capable of and sometimes when when they do slow it up and go over and back you know it can be hard it is hard to watch the times but listen there are the boys Rory's trading them and David and they have a plan and they have to stick to it is alright for me shouting in but you know and so Michael's don't know going on this relegation yeah I've been worried about them Bren you know be worried about them they didn't you know I was just I came away with it and you think they don't know how lucky they were when they had Krusty Toy and Colin Matinee you know maybe Big Brian and a few others and the rocks you know you know what I was a golden generation for them and I know they got that county final and lost it but like when you went down there with Colin Matinee you could win a game on his own you know no he could score 110 and there was no one like Martin Michael Honey tried hard named Paul Ferry tried hard and some of them did try hard but just not enough quality Bren and they never looked like you know scoring much at all they got one point in the second half so you just think Jesus the days are called Matinee when he would take a game by the you know just get it himself and turn and Krusty and them boys you know so they don't have that quality anymore but they're gonna struggle and you know they'll struggle now and you know that the relegation the four teams in the relegation it's it's a dogfight there I would fancy sitting all definitely not to go down I think they're a decent team I haven't seen Milford you know that they're struggling so Michael's are struggling and the last team is Kelly Beggs yeah Kelly Beggs you know we're talking just by a point and now they play each other yeah again in that semi-finals you know also competed very well in a lot of games not even the game we watched absolutely you know as best that they could against the good units team at home yeah you know put it up to Glantzwey yeah Stephen Griffin you know he does it and well drilled I actually thought they would win that game by a few points you know but then again you know Kelly Beggs are in there fighting as well but they didn't they didn't register a point neither did Milford so you know a few teams in danger dropping into uh intermediate well it's like Milford have been here a few years now you know they're it's just tough for the empties man I think if you take if you took out you know maybe the top two or three clubs and the denigal championship it'll be a brilliant championship for the rest you know there's not a lot between the other teams yeah you know but they are getting better John we might feel you know a lot of them and I know with there's a couple of teams at the bottom we've had a tough season but I mean the chasing pack seems to be getting them no I would agree with that I agree with that because Brent it's all right just coming in and saying oh they're getting closer and I can't close but like for a team to develop a senior championship level and try and compete with the St Junans or at Glentys especially at Glentys like you know the amount of conditioning and experience you need to have and that doesn't happen over one or two years that can be a four or five year process and you get boys to buy into that there and stick at it and you know you stick at it for and then stick it like the Glentys boys are amazing that they've stuck at it for 17 or 18 years whatever it is and you know they're getting the rewards but it's a long slog and if you're not getting the rewards it's hard to convince boys to stay at it and that's the only way you can build a senior team to complete now Bailey Shannon doing story with Suri but I'd like to see you know four masters are coming out with this great underage I'd like to see can they yeah and then always have more free so it'd be interesting to see the next couple of years but and can them teams push on again and keep keep closing the gap and one day someone will get there again and there'll be a new team on the top I can give us an insight so I can show them my calls and we'll get that after this advertisement break don't go anywhere the DL debate with sister Sarah's 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just talking about teams that are that are chasing that pike in the cows have pulled out a good few performances then there's been others performances the last few years where we thought they would have been better but that was a big game to get a draw against calcare yeah because i think they played calcare last year in the championship and they got well beaten um they just they started off a bit slow this year i think they did or in the first game and they got well beaten against gi do or down in maharica and to be fair now which is always never an easy place to go but uh then they they had kelly bags at home and they beat them by i think it was a goal or by three points um obviously kelly bags down there so but then you're going to glen fanno a always like glen fanno a team that you never tend to beat by more than three four five points or something and to beat 10 by 10 was you know a big derby as well it was kind of incredible whenever i seen the scoreline of it now i wasn't down at it and then yeah the momentum just seems to have picked up of it now you've coming into the calcare game of course like you were talking about mcbrouty i think mcbrouty's on 33 in four games i think farah's on 30 now joe bradley walsh i think he's in 25 so the two of them you have the two of them and the team and a couple like there's a lot of those hitting around 22 23 like joe bradley walsh and darshing gaelan then you have joe boilin midfield jimmy keegan a couple players like that and then younger boys sean martin some of them are coming up and looking good now it's it's looking good for them in the future anyway and where would you put bradley walsh you know obviously farah i think if donnie goll go well the next year which i think they will in their defense is tight if farah is fit and he's our man inside i think he's one of the best wars in ireland but there's no point in saying it otherwise he's shown that he can do that bradley walsh would you think that he can make that jump and always been in the squad and seen a bit of game time and that do you think he could kneel down a starting position for donnie goll has he got that ability do you think i don't think he's far off i mean he's he's built like a man to stick in the full forward anyway he's he's wide he's stocky um he's he's just been he's been brilliant at club level it's just making that step up i suppose he got a couple chances in the at the start of the year and patty carers first couple games and he i think he scored a goal in the first minute of his debut maybe um but he just he didn't get too much chances after that i know he's still in the panel um i suppose it's just there is that difference from being in the panel and then actually making it into that team and if you have a lot of players coming back now obviously we're missing a lot this year if you have like the likes of the old donnels coming back and everything too it's going to be even more competitive in there with ashen gellan and patrick mibarty it's it's tough to break into that now tough but you need a big squad don't you and that's what we want at donnie goll yeah yes indeed listen they're looking you know interest mcculls you would fancy them against four masters maybe just about a ruah beat glenfann glenfann just managed to to make it into that pre quarter final that won't get to five and again a goal in the second half the big score in that match for the men from a ruah um don lowe and gedore i was down at that very entertaining first half um don lowe actually went six three up in the game a couple of brilliant kicks from uh from ryan connors 45s uh you know planted him over the bar dead ball very assured you know he was he was top class he was back for them of course there was a couple of players back they then lost a couple of players to injury seven six and play him well second half the end zone just you know and i talked to desi galler his interviews up online on the highland side there's loads of feedback from all the games he was saying he didn't intentionally go blanket john it was like your game in the bridge it ended up two two in the second half you would never have seen it coming because it was a decent game of football now tension and and and all was at stake maybe caused that at the moment but you often think that i couldn't see how don lowe could won the game the way they were playing because uh gedore owned the ball they probably didn't make enough use of it but they were quite comfortable on it and you just thought that how you going to win the match from this position you know but again as desi was saying it's all there and it's all there and you know don't know where a young team common brand they won the intermediate last year and i've seen them a couple of times and impressed and impressed with desi's coaching and getting the most out of that young team and maybe you know caught in the headlights against a big you know can we beat gedore at home you know we've been a big big scalp for a young team like that there because gedore still gedore they're still one of the big teams to beat and maybe at halftime they thought Jesus are we good enough to beat them and maybe they didn't believe it and maybe they kind of went out and without as you say without a plan to play so defensive maybe just whatever it just didn't you know didn't have the belief maybe to plow on and try and run gedore into the ground and maybe you use their legs and open them up and get the scores and and and try and win the game so they're a young team brand and as you say they'll learn from it you know all these things they're learning but it's uh you know they're in the they're in the next game now and back again against gedore been a neutral venue so it'll it'll you know it should balance itself out so it'll be interesting to see the next day where it's confidence there though job done low to say you know we can match up we can match you know and then mcneales and again his interviews up there alone and was not happy with with maybe how his team played but you know it was a nip and top game so the next day even the physio got hopped by him and mcgeever see that there a bit of a dive from the physio i don't think it was it was someone to have me a lot to have i don't think it was overly aggressive for me man but uh no they're no have to believe brand you know they have to believe the next day now that they they can match gedore and the next question is on a neutral venue can they go and beat them you know do they have the belief to put them away get over with all their experience you just think that they'll they'll find a way with them if they're missing in keamble they can miss away there's talk of McFadden ferry being back and there's talk of extra players being back to bolster gedore now so yeah i was chatting with a few of them a couple of weeks ago and then they were you know disappointed with some of their boys going away the timing of them going away at this time of year with a championship coming around so maybe they've had a chapter some of them boys and maybe they're haven't gone away they're coming back sooner than they're supposed to be because listen for club spend that they're doing all the work all year like the senior championships as the blue as the you know as the blue ribbon event and you need to have your rest in there if you can yeah i could understand a few people being away so and you know you get the feeling this is a this is a conversation on itself that times are changing you know in football and that alter alter commitment i mean at a huge set they aren't caring in there recently about commitment and he read the riot act of the crossboys i mean and he didn't hold back because he was saying listen this was our life that was it now you just get the sense i do what you dare there might be a bit of a change in people's attitude not the county but in club in terms of maybe that out and out commitment i just feel that creeping on a bit maybe maybe maybe you could tell me otherwise i just get the feeling that you're gonna have wee periods where boys decide i'm doing this you know whether it be trips to america or there's a there's a holiday on or something on they're gonna do it yeah and i think i mean i think the biggest thing in the last year the last two summers now was obviously with covid boys that were just getting out of college maybe or something like that and they might have done that in a year out or something and they might have missed championship or something like that whereas now the only chance they have to do it is during the summer to go out there and like to america and play football or to australia there's kind of i think it might settle down a bit in a couple years but there is still there's definitely more of a mindset a certain club seems to get hurt worse and others who don't you know the clubs again come back to that thing about the draw on the top the top teams don't seem to lose many players maybe they can replace them easier but everything seems to be we would wade there yeah listen you ask yourself that's how many of the need for all boys have gone to america to play football the last 15 or 16 years and i'm sure there's plenty opportunities i don't think there's too many no you know so they've got you know but as you said it's that's a massive sacrifice like i went to Boston for three summers great time always was back for the championship now you mightn't be as good a shape that you were you know if you had to stay in your home for the summer but it's a massive commitment to turn them things down and not to go away or travel a wee bit or whatever it might be so you would have carried it well though i'll carry it well oh my getting went over sure and got injured exactly like bloating he's calling him yes lads um St. Nausers we spoke a bit earlier they beat killie bags by a point they play them now in net relegation playfile and our dra beat mulfford 12-10 our dra going on to four points and going on that quarterfinals so we have as i said Glenn Swilly Glenn Fungidore don't know mcculls four masters Clahanele Ardra there's favorites in every one of them um Tara would you be going with the favorites or do you think there's there's a there's a shock in there yeah well i think i think Clahanele Ardra might be a bit closer matched than the rest of them now um the two teams they did what they needed to do they won their two home games and that's that's what it comes down to with the teams in the relegation i mean i was looking there earlier killie bags had glenties in the area at home um so michael's had unans and killcare at home st. nausers three games you had glent swilly you'd um st. unans and you'd killcare some of them were just bad draws but yeah these teams they've won their games at home the two we're talking about ardra and clahanele and i think that will be a tight game now i think glent swilly will have enough for glent finn although i think that'll be a bit closer of a game i think i think uh mcculls and milf or mcculls and four masters will again be close but i think the the firepower the mcculls have should have enough for them and then the fourth game the guido or i suppose that one could be when they've just played it's an interesting one you're questioning yourself that's a good thing though but you know you you can build a case for it you can see them all being a bit close yeah which is which is good and that's what you want to see and i think with the they're all neutral vigners too i believe so i mean you have you have that chance for the teams that are unseeded in there yeah yeah interesting stuff let's most stay tuned after this break we're going to look across the intermediate and junior championships here in donningall the deal debate with sister sarah's ladder canny serving food you'll love till 9 p.m. daily in sarah's kitchen and there's free admission entertainment every weekend 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darahi yes welcome back to the deal debate we're wrapping up the intermediate and junior championships now and we have our semi-final parents as fanat versus boncran amalan versus bundon termin versus neve colomba and downings versus red hughes and darry you were at that game that fanat overturned her in a big match i'm going to come to you about that at a moment john your overview of the uh intermediate championship this year it's always a very interesting championship you know i was even thinking about letter kenny gills coming up there and they're involved in a relegation now but you've quite a few teams in there and they're close to senior if you know absolutely well absolutely when you can make a case for a five or six of intermediate teams against the lower half of the senior championship kick of a ball because some of them intermediate teams are actually in division one downings bundon malin so you know you've always had we cross over which which which you would think would make them teams a wee bit stronger but doesn't work out that way uh the first game i want to see termin and downings the first night or whatever night it was i thought it'd be a good game but termin were far too good for downings i was disappointed for downings because no they were playing in division one and they held their own in all the games and it was a surprising result more from high downings play downings were poor in the night yeah high downings were poor in the night so i thought from looking at that there termin would be were impressive but i was shocked now i don't fairness i can't sit here and say i know a lot about fanat but i was shocked by that result that that that termin got turned over by fanat and i suppose a good result for downings to go the whole way to neve colombo and beat neve colombo was a big result for them so i think they got maybe the reward maybe of getting reds used maybe one of the less maybe one the lesser ranked teams they won't like like me over in the cross for saying that but i'll say downings are happy enough for that draw and now it puts termin against neve colombo in the quarterfinal which i think is a tough draw for both of them team so it's shaping up nicely and you know there'll be you know there could be a twist of turning in yet it might just be all plain sailing for termin to be coordinated the coronation of the intermediate championship yes indeed yes indeed that was the big game a lot of people were looking to was that fanat game fanat beating termin 113 to 14 what did you make of that there yeah well i mean i was probably surprised too termin done so well in the first three games i suppose they had already done enough to go through maybe maybe they were looking at how it was going to shape up and they might have had an easy game if they had of came top and that's turned out the way it is for bunkrana who have ended up getting fanat but it was it was neck and neck the whole way there was never more in two points between either side in that game Darren McElvain scored a great go for fanat just before half time but that was that was the putt fanat ahead by one termin leveled again and then it was point each point each point each they were both going ahead of each other uh layman grenand was brilliant from frees although he probably must be the easiest one he had out of the seven i think he had but he was brilliant yeah mark macketeer was very good as well now and some of them easy ones can put you off being there there's been an odd there's been an odd blot in the club copy book i'll tell you i think he got led off of that one though because it was in stoppage time yeah but he was still still brilliant from the rest of them now to be fair yeah and fanat now you know bunkrana there was like a stomy guide of a few weeks back you know he'd lost quite a few players to immigration he'll four or five and then he lost jigger he was flying then coming in they were still too strong for neve worris shama glohan who's just out of minor hadn't won five so he stabilized him he's obviously a good coach uh there and they'll go on now that's that's a fascinating tie in its own now fanat and bunkrana yeah well the only time i've actually seen fanat was against glenn fun and that promotion relegation game and they did look good in spells in that game but i think they just they lost their way of coming towards the end of it um but yeah it's trying not to sit in the fence there's there's a lot of those games there where you can go either way again it's um i think looking at them all i mean you can make cases for any team on either side of it it's the other media has been like that though yeah you know you look at the mall in there it's funny they came late this night's uh victory over red use and that was the same in that game with bunkrana the subs come on they hit the last three points to reel in bunkrana as you're saying good division now bundor and of course come down we were probably expecting they were a bit slow getting on this competition jimmy brennan seems to be flying for them again massive pair and terminate colomba and down in red use very hard to pick definite winners from them absolutely and i suppose for them colomba brennan they want their county man to shine you know and you want jimmy brennan to shine you want keelah mcgonigal and keelah mcgonigal supposed to be very good you know you want lark and collars and johnny mcgonigal and these boys were downings that have a bit of experience the county level to shine you know arndorley with with neve colomba so them boys have to step up you know at that level like i remember seeing neve colomba and bunkrana last year in the park in the game quarter final semi final can't remember they can keelah mcgonigal now in fairness was disappointing on the day you know you can't put everything on them but when you're a county midfielder playing at that level you have to stand up and you have to you know carry your team and be the driving force so you know they'll be looking for their county man to stand up and do whatever club they are so nothing between a lot of them teams brennan you're talking about maln there who were very stable in division one but you know seeing the struggle away but then come the championship and the same problem last year so there's something there about maln that they just maybe put too much into the league and then because they're in division one and they've got the big teams coming to them like you know they put it up to they put it up to clentice down there and they put it up to st junas down there you know and maybe they're up for the big teams but then when it comes back down to the championship then maybe find it hard to to raise it again so benson to see how that plans out brennan yeah if you double go to them and you're coming in because you're playing that top league you might you you only put an extra end date then you obviously need to drop it and lift it for a championship but it's it's probably it's hard yeah it's hard for that because you want to be competitive you do you don't want to be tanked in league games at home when you have a crowd there and you know clentice are coming as county champions and st junas are coming as the big club and boys are waiting at the chomping at the bit to get at you and you know and then maybe when they play red hues or neve columbar whoever it might be doing they're just thinking you know they just don't have to see him bite so that's all the challenge you know it's interesting we're playing burt letter kind of gills playing neve breed in the relegation playoffs as well that's it's been tough season for them sides but you don't just send the john there you know you've really top teams in that intermediate there's quite a few of them as we're saying have been operating division one could step up into senior championship so when you're coming you're coming up if you haven't got you know a very solid stable setup in your club you're gonna struggle in that intermediate yeah and i feel like i've seen nevor a couple times i feel like they might be feeling a bit hard dumbed out to be in that bottom four and of course letter kind of gills getting three points and still being in it um but now nevor i went up to their game against malon and they were well in that game there's i think they finished with 13 and they just they let it slip near the end of the game now malon malon did impress at the same time that game i think they were kind of hitting us right a bit more um but yeah like i mean you see then getting zero points in their group and they've braided were very hard done by with the grip they got of course the the so-called grip of death that was in that intermediate championship they were they were well beaten to be fair but they'll need to raise it now when they're coming into these games they will indeed interest and stop the junior a championship the ccc has a bit of a headache here uh john the rassa and they've connell um because of a oris field uh to field aside um they drew other and it drew you earlier in the championship so you can't go to school so there's going to have to be some kind of play yeah i was chatting to malon ours this afternoon just i said you know what happened by this field because you know good club ours and he said what happened was they were down to play on a sunday so the other games were all on a saturday so by the saturday evening uh ours had no chance of qualifying after even a slimmer of hope he said they would have went they had no chance now i think right he also made the point that if they hadn't known i was going to cause this hassle they would have scraped the team together and gone and played the game they didn't realize that this would happen and it's caused a bit of a mess i don't know bintz should there be a play-off surely they should toss a coin and you know whoever comes after that i think because i know the games a bit doesn't seem to be a game against but there is a there is a game to be played in the in the group b yet okay so there is there is time to play that game yeah and that that games convoine e valton and the winners of that go into the semifinal automatically so i think it would almost look good if they played the two games because the two winners it's almost like a quarterfinal for those teams because they go straight into the semifinals if you tap your group whereas it is hard for the team to come second to be fair then that they're going straight into another quarterfinal and then to the semifinals yeah that's right now we're also going well to 14 the 39 winner overseas unions you mentioned the e valton they're three from three to 15 the 112 with maval cairn donna in last year's final by the good off to a victory they beat out of sorts neve com killed 215 to do 10 the two neve padricks muffin lifford were playing each other neve padrick muff coming out 111 to three points have you got any favorites in there between the neve con and the rasas seem to be neve alton is that your it seems to me i think maybe the top two in that group a of neve con on the rasas obviously the rasas had a brilliant league campaign as well and they they did so well against sainton all senior side as well with pattern mulligan and brend mccull back in that league final thought they'd they worked very well that day and that was in treacherous conditions down in glinty's and then just yeah i suppose obviously neve connell they've got a lot of strong team that won the senior b last year's most of those boys are still in there yeah that's right just give me a word here we're almost out of time johnny you're gonna pick a winner from the from the juniors neve connell yeah well that that's what i was going to say they're going well but they've they've got their house in orders and juniors have done the same thing and it's a discussion for another day about reserve football the way it's gone downhill and that the bigger teams like sin juniors and things have identified that and have pushed their second team now to the junior a which is which is a far better standard i know you darry you're saying the reserve junior a is a far better standard than reserve football it is at the minute now reserve football was compared of years ago that was a good standard it was your second team but that that that's gone so something good you're always good for the talking points good man hey we can talk all night we're almost out of time i thank you dex for producing the season and my two guests here john harn and darry boner thanks very much for calling up lads i'll speak to you all next week sticks tune for the monday night's sessions coming up now