 Honestly the best camera you own is the iPhone Yeah by far the best camera I don't know how my camera Looks good. It's not bad. It looks really good actually. I can't this is this is like a big Sony camera like full-up piece of glass Yeah, yeah, I mean lighting is everything as you're aware and actually come to think of it. Am I in sync? One two you're fine pretty close pretty I think I'm out of sync a little bit. You're just a little do this You're When you do it Robert, you're gonna make a noise I am here. How's this ready? It's funny though what If you're in sync, why do you want to clap like a monkey? Normally people clap like this But when you do anything you go like that like a monkey collapse because because you want to you want to see the hands come together Is that what it is? Yeah, it's like you're trying to like make make sure that you can see like not like You know like here. Yeah You're you're if anything it's a it's a half a millisecond off So yeah, it's not happy. It's funny. You got the camera up high, which is the perfect place to have it because you look better I like I can't see anything. Yeah, I know you like hi Yeah, can I mute my camera and I never did that for the audio, but yeah, you can actually you can reach down and click on your little You can remove yourself at any time There's a button right over your picture. Are you ever remove yourself? Actually, I'm not sure Can I can I like go dark? Oh, you can turn off your camera. I come back like Very bottom. There's a button. This is stop cam if you want to be off camera beautiful What is Robert doing now? No idea must be cutting his nose Okay When I was years ago when I used to go skiing with a mate of mine He managed to score this stuff. It was we called it the purple death and It it looked like we but it was lovely, but it was purple And the last thing I remember was him. It was in the days before, you know, like good materials Everything you used to wear was full of down and stuff. Hey guys. I'm coming down the air by the way Yeah, yeah, we're on the air. Yeah, but we're not recording. Yeah, we're live 14 people watching us right now Lovely. So it looked like a high-speed doona coming down the slope This huge coat it looked like he was wrapped up in a doona Off his face and just going straight down the slope. No turning Texas speedy hit. It was pretty funny So do you guys want to have anything special that shows up when you're talking on camera a lower third? We like to call them or a title bar or oh Just a picture of George Cleaney for me would be good if you could do that. That'd be great such as that As you can see would you like to have anything? Unique to yourself I'm good. We could actually just have a subtitle of the pro audio suite. I guess because Just in general, you don't want to have your own individual names. Well, our names are visible on screen. Yeah Yeah So Robert just just is he's like Madonna. He only has one name Yeah, he is the Robert. I'm Robert. Yeah. Yeah, there's no other though Robert All right, so Robert the Robert instead of So we do a cold open With everybody on screen and I say welcome to boys over body shop and we've got you know The guys from the pro audio suite with us tonight. There's Robbo He's coming in is he Turn that off Don't make me do the old What Mike Mike are you on Robbo, you're kind of far away from it. What Mike are you wearing? I've got the I got the NTG for hanging over my head Oh, you might want to get a closer pretend we're doing a podcast Is the high-pass filter on that thing is a high-pass turn on that thing George what do you think you think the OC8 could become a VO mic? Yeah, of course you can record Small diaphragm. Yeah, that's better. Yeah, it's better and then um go into your settings in the bottom there and then click on audio and Then turn and turn it off just turn off the audio And the video see ya Turn off echo cancellation Turn it off. Yeah, turn off echo cancellation. We don't want echo cancelation. We don't want echo cancelation Don't turn it on You know it There's a show on Spotify called smart less And it's the closest to what we do for produce we just check out smart less It's a great each other. It's four celebrities. You know like Effing names right now are slipping through I can't remember any of their names Smartless just look it up, but it's literally what we do but just talking about audio It's smart less It's Jason Bateman Will Arnett. Oh, yeah, yeah, Sean Haynes They they actually had Radiohead on the show and then out of nowhere. They're just talking to Radiohead about um Something like some project over COVID and I don't know who it was Jason Bateman And one of them is like, oh, yeah, what'd you use ISD n or source connect and radio like they're like source connect You're faster than Google I let me you know actually yeah Yeah, no, it's it's it is the feeling of us where it's it's a bunch of guys just goofing on each other And then what they do is one of them has chosen a guest And the others don't know who the guest is so it's a good one build it up build it up build it up and then they Reveal them and it's I guess they're on camera. They see each other So they must be on zoom or something and then and then you know, and then they're like, oh my god It's so and so and they all I hate that person Yeah, they fawn over him or her and and uh Yeah, I know it's it's it's it's not organized enough to know they have a guest. I mean we As dan said yesterday he'll does a format of Prodia suite. How's it work? It's like When you say format, what do you actually mean by that? Yeah, we're a little more tightly formatted. So yeah The format is speaking of 15 minutes before the show we find out if we all remembered that we are doing a show That's true And then it's like, what are we talking about? And then what and then the next five minutes before that we figure out what we're doing And she usually comes out of a conversation Like someone will say something and go, oh, you know, I had this blah blah. Don't stop. That's the show Let's record now. That's actually sounds like something interesting And look and look he's for you. Andrew edits all this crap Yeah, Robo gets the first go at it. Robo has to deal with the raw. He mixes the whole thing raw. So it's like yeah, well, it's you know, it's a uh Cluster With the f word. Yeah, it's tightly formatted. We have we have show notes and everything goes in a certain order But sometimes that just sort of goes out the window Oh, you mean like today, I forgot to update the website saying who's on our show. Yeah All right. Oh, yeah, yeah, you better do that because this one's really important No, when they get that when they get that alert that we're on I'll tell you what We are actually going to go down We're for seconds away. We're seconds away. Yes. Oh god No It's not like there's millions of people watching But it's about just just 800,000 It's not quite the same thing. What's the number? I didn't know you had that many mothers What's the number that you make up when we have big guests on you tell them some big number? What is it? Uh Well, as to how many people are watching it's a I just say it's a worldwide audience because it literally is Maybe two people in France and maybe one in new zealand and yeah, so that is true All right, it is five o'clock here on the west coast. Are we ready? Ms. Merlino. Yeah, we're gonna watch for for counters in and she's gonna count us in and just listen to take our lead Okay, so so when she counts us in and then we all like start Okay, take two three two Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop and we have we're gonna have a great time tonight Yes, whenever whenever you're listening because we've got the guys from the pro audio suite robert marshal Darren robber robertson and andrew peters and George and these guys talk about high tech stuff. So George you're gonna get to introduce them and And then we're gonna talk about that and then we want your questions Because each one of these guys will give us a 20 minute answer This could just turn into a two-part show the tech talk is it might all run into one gig giant show We'll just edit it. I think it will I think it turns into an episode of the pro audio We're all in trouble. Yeah Anyway, this time this time robber won't edit it Yeah, or me. Are we ready? George? Are we ready? We're ready team these guys. It's time for voiceover body shop right now Voiceover body shop is brought to you by voiceover essentials.com the home of harlan hogan signature products Source elements the folks who bring you source connect jmc demos when quality matters Vo heroes.com become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training Voice actor websites.com where your voice actor website shouldn't be a pain in the butt voiceover extra your daily resource for voiceover success And by world voices the industry association of freelance voice talent And now here's your hosts dan and george Well, hello there. I'm dan lennard and i'm george wittem and this is voiceover body shop or vo bs Wow, and I have a feeling we're gonna have a lot of that tonight An extra heaping helping Absolutely As they used to say in the Beverly hillbillies uh, anyway We've got the pro audio suite with us tonight and this is a podcast that you do on the weeks that we're not doing this That's right. That's right We had a little collision this week because of the timing of our having taken off a week for fourth of july So we just we slammed us all in together into because we were all we were all scheduled to be here anyway So we figured what the heck this is a perfect time to have The rest of my my other family on the show and uh, here they are Why don't you introduce them? all right, great. Well, uh From way across the pond Representing two of the most well known well famous cities of australia. We have first Robbo, uh, who's coming in from sydney. Hey, Robbo. Good day. How are you? Great, man. Thanks for joining us and it's great to see you. You know when we do the pro audio suite It is audio only we don't even see each other when we produce it So this is actually kind of disconcerting a little a little unsettling. I had to get out of my pajamas this morning And then put something on then From further down the coast From a further down the coast we have andrew peters from the melburn area. Hey, andrew. How you going, mate? He's the voice like a warm cup of coffee. Oh Yes, it's the remnants of covet. Unfortunately. Yes the covet cave I succumbed to it, but i'm out. Yeah, all right. It's like so many others And last and completely leased robert marshal from source elements That's right Like not need not necessary is robert marshal Our pal robert marshal from source elements and he is also a studio owner and just quickly We'll get everybody to tell us a little bit, but robo is a producer. He produces our show Produces television radio audio spots Um andrew is a voice talent clearly. Um and robert Does all sorts of stuff really everything at the renaissance man. We call him He probably paints as well Actually, i'm very bad at that. Yeah, oh good photo copies himself I heard that's the only thing that I think when I paint it ends up just all over my hand. It's really bad All right, don't make me use the gavel Of the gavel Caught to tell yeah, what? I don't know. This is somebody found this in their attic and said hey, it looks like dan lennard It does I'm gonna see what I can find in my attic that looks like dan lennard Actually two things i've got to say dan two things one i've mentioned the bevely hillbillies some episodes back and everyone's sort of like What are you talking about? So i'm glad you actually uh, obviously i'm out of my vintage and remembers the bevely hillbillies And secondly, I don't know whether you ever saw I know they did an american version of a tv show called Till death us depart. I think it was called all in the family. Oh, yeah, I mean back in the 70s, but the english one I starred a an actor called warren mitchell. He played a character called alf garnet And I have to say if you google alf garnet It's dan lennard All right, so so so that's like the dan lennard on the shelf thing like don't yeah I So guys Like and get some order in this here. Tell us about the pro audio suite. How did you start it and What goes on? I'm getting a sense of what it's like. I had a prior life I know that we had a prior life. We were we were each guests on your show before Like separately, right? And then did we somehow end up all together and I was like you put your peanut butter in my chocolate Well, it was kind of weird because I remember we were robber and I did a podcast called the voice of the vio radio show And we used to get guests on and we had george as one guest We had robert as another guest and then it was coming up for a christmas And we thought well, let's do one for christmas. Why don't we get George and robert see, you know, super, you know Just for something different and we did and we did the show then afterwards. I called robber and said Do you know what that kind of works? I think Let's see if they're interested in coming and doing it permanently. So that's a short story of how it happened Oh, bravo, but it's also the magic of the show. I reckon the magic of the show is I'm the sort of Well, robert as well, but sort of I'm more that the sort of producer side of things Robert while he's also a producer and audio engineer is also the sort of software techy sort of thing george with his Obvious skills and ap who spends his life in little rooms behind microphones. So Which is well, you've got the entire gamut of the industry though You know both both sides of the glass and like the like the tech support for both sides of the glass Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's an important thing now. I I'm not an audio geek I mean from what I understand you guys get really into detail about stuff and how things are supposed to sound and stuff I can't define what an audio geek is How would you guys define it? Well, I can tell you what it isn't and that's me So we'll move over to somebody else. I would disagree with that completely Anybody who's spent as much coin in audio gear as you is an audio geek. Oh true. Good point. Yeah, okay. I'll accept that Yeah, but I think the ultimate audio geek on our show would have to be I would give the award to robert for sure Me okay, I agree. Yeah No question. He can't answer pretty well robo eat your mic a little more gang you up. I want to hear you louder Am I uh, am I mining falling away in the background there? How's that? Yeah, I don't want you to get stepped on Andrew's tromping all over you. There we go. Well, he always does that anyway, but that's what I do anyway I've always done that. There's something about Robo's mic right now that like no matter how close he gets to it He doesn't sound like he's super close to these I'm kind of hearing that too to be honest with you But see that's the NTG for you just like bash the front of it just like Yeah, yeah, that's that's me. That's me. Yeah, that's just working 35 years as an audio engineer. Is this thing working? Hello? Didn't you used to love that, you know Please don't touch it. Yeah Let me toss this out there and and and see what you know comes out the other end. Um, Very deep Yes That's why we're that's why we're v obs Each one of you tell me what you think are the keys to good audio For voiceover specifically and then you can talk about all the other weird crap that you guys talked about for me for for me for voiceover It needs to sound real. It needs to sound natural. I Greatest respect Been doing radio imaging for 35 years now and the greatest respect to all the radio images out there But I hear a lot of radio images who produce podcasts and stuff like that Which is a more natural form of audio and obviously very voice driven and they Use the same tricks and effects that they use on Voices on radio promo so they can press the living hell out of it. They cue the living hell out of it And to me, that's not natural to me on a radio promo. Absolutely. You need to do that There's a million reasons we could sit here forever and talk about why but for a podcast It's just people sitting having a chat. I want it to sound natural. I want it to sound easy to listen to I want it to sound as unaffected as I can And to me, that's the trick That's the biggest yeah, we were just talking about because the radio promos designed to interrupt and get your attention And that's fine, but you don't want an hour of that Essentially that would be fatiguing. Yeah, can you imagine a documentary sounding like that? Yeah, yeah robber you do you listen robber you're listening to that stuff all day because you're producing it It must be fatiguing. You must have to oh gosh Not to run your cans too hot or monitors too hot I mean you're you're fluctuating the level and there's and what's funny with uh, you know listening and mixing for tv a lot is that Especially for advertising. There's a lot of time spent just on the small speakers And and and like, you know, so there's not a lot of volume there and But yeah, no, it's um, it's it's still like very in your face. It depends on exactly what spot you're working on and I'm not working on like car dealership spots all day. So I But I've certainly done a number of campaigns where it is just like borderline yelling at people What are you monitoring through robber? What am I monitoring through? Yeah, when you're editing and mixing and doing all that I've got my um Can you see them at the back there? Yeah, my beautiful Adam Adam audio a7x's Which uh, I purchased just last year in fact, then I had that's right and in love with um and uh, and also my austrian audio Uh, I was going to say a7x and now the name of them has gone out of my head high x65 x65s. Thank you Yeah, no worries mate, but but but andrew's now to help They've sort of they've become my bees. I've never mixed in headphones until I had them um and um and We had we talked about this on an episode of the show recently I put them on the first time and I hated them. I took them straight off And uh, and now and now they're they might go to before anything gets mixed out of pro tools I throw them on and um and have a listen in that as well. So um, yeah Right and as a producer, of course, you're working with multiple tracks And you're really taking the stuff that you know any voice actor is going to send you and you're adding all of the other elements I think a lot of people think well Do I have to do that as a voice actor and no you're the guy that's going to be doing all the all the hard work So what do you want when a voice actor sends you a file? What do you expect from them? Oh anybody who listens to our show can answer this Deal deal with the room first like yeah first thing is not an echoey room first thing and then basically a decent type of mic probably a condenser but a high quality dynamic And make sure you're in front of the stupid mic close um You know, and I'd say that's the beginning of it and then after that it gets into uh The equipment but honestly these days A lot of this equipment is all good and the price range is the price range for a You know a hundred dollar usb interface and the quality it gives is You is not as different as you would think for without the difference between that and a thousand dollar interface For example, so it's it's pretty inexcusable these days to have crappy gear. I think It's not like telling people it's like there's no microphone out there that's going to make you perform better You know, I wonder is that true though? Is that true though Dan? I I think there's a psychological thing I I think if someone if you go into a studio and someone puts a cheap Mic in front of you it's kind of like yeah, well, is that you really is that what i'm worth? And if you if they put up a really you know like a really good mic you go Thanks, buddy. I mean, I've been into studios where the guy's running taken down a shotgun and put up, you know He's u87 Because he wants me to be on the u87. I know it's because It's going to sound better anyway with my voice as opposed to the mic he had in there before which could have been for somebody else But psychologically you think oh, you know, thanks It could be a placebo. I thought about me and my voice and what might fit it well Yeah, correct a placebo effect is still in effect, right? Even if it's not something that's affecting the quality or the product or you're acting It's something I I think the opposite can happen I think the opposite can happen for for example sage was working on a song forever and she um I just had her set up with like an mbox and an old mac pro one one one mac pro And a audio technica battery powered condenser. It wasn't was not awesome at all She does like really basic mentor entry-level mediocre Equipment to start with she was just writing she was just writing a song and it was like You know, she's recording in our living room the refrigerators right there like buzzing away It wasn't expected to be a good recording No slipping rabbit. She should be on the train because that's what you would normally do Yeah, you're right. She's she's really actually upping the quality. I have to um, but she does these vocals on basically the scratch part of this song like, you know the scratch track and For the next three months. She's chasing that She's just like she likes that performance better and she's she we did it like four times at least Because it's like there's a certain relaxing like oh shitty mic. Who cares? I'm just gonna kind of do this and you end up Not worrying about it so much that you end up doing a really kick-ass take Then when you try to think about it too much You end up breaking it Rubber I was going to throw it back to you too to to you dan and you andry because There's a thing as an audio producer slash engineer slash mixer is Your brain your brain is wired that when things are louder Your brain will tell you they sound better even if they don't True. It's like it's like salt Audio salt So I guess the reverse question that you posed us dan and andry would be when you're recording Are you conscious of how loud your headphones are? Do you notice a difference if you're monitoring lower as you are when you're when you've got them out? I mean ap's deaf. Anyway, he probably didn't even hear me ask that question, but maybe Well when I'm recording unless I'm doing a remote session, I'm not wearing headphones I listen to myself in the environment in which I'm recording and That way I'm it's I'm not affected by it at all And I you know It's I find it weird wearing headphones for this But because of the audio the way the audio is set up here on stream yard I've got to I got to wear the headphones, but normally I just I just I just listen to myself as I am the way I normally hear myself And you know, there's people that say well, I've got to hear the mouth clicks And I got to hear this and I got to like well, it's it's like george's client Who's like who practically needs a foot pedal for his headphone volume? We won't mention any names. Yeah, right Just Sorry, David K Yeah But not mentioning any name No, he's a friend of his you made a friend of daddy k And it's like and and and definitely like some announcers depend depending on the style That you're you know working in If you're aware of your mic technique and where you are then you need the headphones to really kind of Feel that feedback if you're playing with the proximity effect Yeah I know I know that when you're recording singers often it helps to really compress their voice for them in their headphones So they just kind of hear themselves. It's all in their face. Yeah, so they have a different feed a headphone feed And yeah, which is separate. Yeah, I see I can't I can't I can work without headphones But I prefer not to Because if you I find it like if I'm going to wear headphones some of the time then I'm going to wear headphones all of the time Because if I keep changing things then I get confused as to what you know What it's sounding like or whatever so Headphones a hundred percent for me Hey, what what do you use? What do you think I got the austrian audios I have um high-ex fifty fives in the booth because they're They're closed back and then I have sixty fives out here from just want to check and edit for whatever reason I rarely use headphones for an edit if I can't hear it through speakers and I don't worry too much And for things like this, I've just got some audio technica in ears, which I've got to say Great a fantastic especially for like eliminating echo. It's a good trick When if you have yeah those stick it when your ear your plugs Well, the good thing is if like if also if you're um out of the studio you're traveling and you're recording in a hotel room Or you know, wherever It's actually really good to have in ears because it just cancels anything that's Far that yeah, so I should use that next time i'm on a train Yeah, you would frighten yourself because we know exactly what it sounds like Yeah, yes, if you're just joining us here on voiceover body shop, you're probably very confused Not as confused as we are then It's spreading around our guests are the guys from the pro audio suite uh, george You're tackling not a guest. I mean these are you george. What are you you're confused now? Yeah I'm totally confused split personality. I was still wondering about five minutes ago. We doing the podcast right now because It's me. I keep reminding myself. We edit the podcast We don't edit this show this show. There's no razor blades. I'm trying very hard So if you haven't noticed oh, there are much less torrential editing Yes Anyway, uh, if any of you out there who are watching this very show at this very moment If you have a question for these guys who know, please save us Yes And I know jeff holman is hiding in there somewhere and we will get to those questions in our next segment but But we've got robert marshall and and robbo and andrew peters who are joining us from the pro audio suite and Again, you got a question. They'll be happy to answer them. Um, okay, so Getting back to that sort of subject about, you know, good equipment and stuff like that I mean, I generally peach teach and preach teach and preach Keeping it super duper simple and That it's not going to be everything you do on the back end To make yourself sound like you as I like to say, you know The idea of a home voiceover studio specifically is not to make you sound great It's to make you sound Like you as you exist in the environment in which you're recording and as you said earlier on robert It's like the environment means more than anything else And you know, no echo no exterior noise those sorts of things What about some of the a lot of people use You know Somebody who's like, hey, I need help with my rx9. It won't install right and I'm like, why are you using that? Well, mouth clicks and I've got this and I've got that. Well to me everything is physical What do you guys think about all of this modern, you know, filtering a software that we have now It's gonna start. Yeah, I don't use it. Good. Yeah. All right next question No rubber. I know rubber uses it. Yeah, I mean something I don't use I'm just saying don't like Let let the end person mixing it deal with that and And there's no need to like start trying to process and hide stuff that will be figured out anyways Yeah, yeah, I think I I think I can see where you're going dan And I think the answer That you're probably looking for and the one that we give on the show a lot is Is really make your room sound as good as you can Um, you know find find the right room talk to guys like George get yourself set up Somewhere where it's going to be the best possible recording you can make and then as much as possible just leave it alone Um Guy, you know guys like me and Robert we'll we'll we've got your back. We'll clean you up You know, obviously we're not going to send audio to our clients. It's not right and and look You know back even back in analog days and even the days before home studios We dealt with voiceover artists who had mouth clicks and all the rest of it. It's just a part of recording um So so, you know as long as you're not popping and you know hissing and and someone's mowing the lawn next door um Just just leave it leave it alone and and send it to us and and let us deal with it We've we've talked about it at the most a high pass filter. Maybe if it's set very low Like yeah, yeah 30 or 50 at the most Actually, that's really interesting You said about analog though robo because i'm just thinking in the days when we were recording on tape And the edit was done with a splice block and a china garafal. What do you call it? You know, um What did you do about? Mouth clicks and things how did you did you cut them out? I can't remember because I was never in production So I don't remember cutting out mouth clicks. We no we had a we had a compressor There was like a super fast high frequency compressor and it was it was originally made for um Taking out pops and vinyl essentially, uh, okay, and but honestly the thing like like probably the worst plugins you can think of now it's like It kind of helped and if you used it too much it just made the whole situation worse and yeah, you know, it's like it could take out the really big stuff, but I mean now we're chasing down little like Like little tiny things that there aren't even like spikes above the waveform. So I mean and that and that seems to be an issue with a lot of people Like as I was saying somebody's like I got to use rx9 because I take out all this stuff I take it But when we talk to each other over a cup of coffee in our kitchen or something It's all there and the only reason that we hear it is because we're of course talking a little bit more in proximity To a microphone as opposed to being across a table where you're doing. Yeah um But generally I don't know I hear people they don't do mouth clicks It's only when they're doing it in voiceover for some reason and because I I tend to think that people over project they tend to overemphasize certain syllables and uh And that and that and that happens Actual vocal technique is far more important than all the other things as long as you've got the right environment And you're using your microphone right and your levels are right It really shouldn't matter unless you're really I mean I I think the people are clicking away even when they're talking amongst each other So it's just that you're in a room when there's background noise and you're six feet away from them and All that so you're not picking up on the mouth clicks that they But I think someone who's and people have clicky days and not clicky days It depends on what you ate and how much you drank and it's like if you were How much you drank the night before or two Well, I have a theory too Yeah, well stress is a part of it stress is a part of it But but robber and guys that have recorded actors in legit studio, you know commercial studios Do you guys work though? Do you record the actors with the microphone this? close Traditionally like in the you know in the traditional sense if you're in a good booth You have the freedom to be a more away from the microphone and still have a very direct sound and then you get a more balanced Kind of frequency. It's not so bassy It's a little bit like you can almost have the same effect by just Staying that just as close to the mic and putting it in omni and then You would have less proximity and it sounds more natural if Depending on the booth that they have but a lot of the trick is you get so close to it to avoid your room Yeah, so all of everybody with voiceover booths that are working in closets and All those little wood boxes. We know we all know so well Yeah, they they they're forced to have to almost eat the mic because they're getting so much room resonance And it's slowly skewing and it's slowly skewing the aesthetic Yeah, well and the closer the mic is The more the mic is now sensitive to the mouth noise the mouth noise may always be there But the closer the mouth the mouth noise is the same volume no matter how loud or soft you project, right? It's mechanical So it's like a it's like a harpsichord. You can't change the volume of that damn thing It is that's the sound the volume it is because it's plucking strings, you know Like with the mouth noise. It's just mechanical So now when you're closer to the mic, guess what gets louder? The mouth noise, you know, and and that's the challenge like It's harder to record a clean great sounding voiceover in a really small room With a really close mic. It just it is harder. Yeah It's interesting because we you're talking about like having a conversation in the kitchen having a little coffee You don't hear clicks and you don't hear anything. It's like walking into a room That's echoey. You don't necessarily unless it's like a you know, a ragamore church You don't hear the echo but as soon as you record something put headphones on you hear it It's there. There's a bizarre thing that happens with your brain that when it's live your brain is interpreting And it sees it and it cancels certain things out it's like the other thing that your brain can do amazingly well is if you're standing in a circle of four people And it's a party with a hundred people behind you, right? You can hear all four people and what and what's being said And then you just take a recording of that pretty much where you were and you play the recording back And then you can't figure out what the four people are saying as much the background noise Seems way louder and your brain because you're not seeing the mouth move There's a million things that just make your brain Use filters it. Yeah You should do that for hearing tests now. Go ahead. Go ahead, Robert There's a very clever. There's a very well There's a very embarrassing thing that I'm sure every audio engineer Who's ever walked to the planet will tell you that they've done is you'll sit there for 20 minutes EQing a voice or compressing a voice or adding a reverb And you'll go I know you're gonna say my god, that's awesome. And then you'll look up and it's bypassed Yeah It's like you fell for your own producer's knob. It's like it's like the knob on the desk We're like, can you can you like do something with that and you like turn a knob that's not connected anything like oh much better? Yeah Your brain will be telling you my god, that's getting so much better The the entire hi-fi stereo market has has based the entire it's entire economy on that basically Just about Audio file market. Yeah, the audio file market. Exactly. Yeah Paint your CDs green. Oh, I definitely hear that $1,000 power cables. 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We're with the pro audio suite and again if you've got a question If these guys know the answer Whether it's the right one or not But uh if you've got a question throw it in the chat room whether you're on facebook live or watching us on youtube Or watching the smoke signals come over the top of the hill Anyway, just put them in there and we can get those questions to these guys I have one question. I wanted to throw you guys Because this is something that comes up an awful lot when i'm talking to my clients and and helping them with their audio They're all like i want to sound warm Put it on a coat That's usually what I tell them, you know, yes, sometimes they're like, what do I do about the bird sounds outside? I said a shotgun You've been to italy, haven't you Anyway, when somebody says warm and we know that everybody hears differently and Certain sounds or you know people say I have a buzz and you listen. No, it's a hum. I'm like they'll say I have a hum No, it's a buzz What do people mean by warm and is that something that people should achieve? I do you want me to have a crack at this one? You've got the warmest voice here Doesn't sound like you have to work too hard at it. Well, I think the key is uh apart from the frog in the throat Excuse me ribbit. I think uh, exactly Excuse me covered I think the warm thing is either you've either got it or you haven't I think I don't know maybe i'm wrong but Each voice has its own signature and some sound warmer than other voices, I guess but If you've got the prerequisite to have a warm voice stop projecting so much and cuddle into the microphone and get warm What does having a warm sounding voice mean? I don't know Well, it's another one of those. It's another one of those, you know, could mean anything sort of It implies a certain softness, but still size like big and soft I would say but It's bizarre when you start using these words like for audio because they're all like touchy-feely words and yeah But have you ever had the one with the colors? I mean, I haven't heard it for a while but used to go like um Just you know, when you can you just think it's kind of brown. Can you think brown? I've never heard like like make it sound more purple is like the The joke I mean bright and dark that makes sense, you know, if you're yeah It's just like up up the scale down the scale is all it is I mean you could it doesn't have to be bright and dark, but no do you have to take your pantone colors with you? And yeah, it's like oh, which well, it's it's funny because you're talking about pantone colors But really it's like all these different words. They you know Essie and edgy and boomie and and they all have different kind of spots in the frequency range generally that people agree on and Yeah, it's probably pretty wide But certain words you would definitely at least agree are like say 1k and below and those would be like boomie and muffy or whatever It sounds like a uh pro audio suite episode waiting to happen Yeah, this is where we get sit and talk for 45 minutes about How no one cares about Clearly people do care about it because they keep hearing it. I want to sound this way. I want to sound that way I'm like, well, you sound the way you are. I think yeah, I think that's right I think you've got it. You've got to deal with your voice is what your voice is You know like how many times I hear voiceover artists making their own voiceover demos or something like that And and they obviously decide that they they want to sound a bit more warm or a bit more Thick or whatever term you want to put on it and all they do is they just they grab, you know Something down around 100 150 hertz and they just wind the hell out of it and just put all this This this bottom end that's not really there into their voice and and stuff like that and it's just it's it's Coming back to what we were talking about before it's not natural No, it's not normally there. Don't don't try and make it there. Your voice is your voice It's it's true. You're stuck with it. Yeah, what yeah what you start with if it's Music or voiceover. It's like how do I sound this way or that way? It's like well sound that way That's the first thing and all the eq like it's all meant for subtle very refined changes And if you're using it for extreme stuff Then you're fixing something or trying to force it into a place that it doesn't want to be But ideally, you know, like you're doing this with your voice You are projecting in a certain in a certain way you're talking softly And that's all part of the sound of it and that's immediately we're warm or dark or whatever Comes from to start with and then I think a good example is um is Nancy Cartwright You know you think about her like like she couldn't play Bart if she sounded like Andrew Oh, no, it'd be a different kind of bath She could just like do that mid-rangey thing like I don't know It's it's it's just your voice is your voice and yes You can put your pushy voice to different places, but you can still only push it to places that it's it's able to go Right. Um, you know, it's it's it's it's like accents to me. I always find that interesting I mean, I know that uh Matt Cowrick is is very good at accents. In fact, he's you know He's just a freak in that department, but sometimes, you know, people say, why don't you uh, why don't you do an American voice over and stuff like that? It's like, why would I? How many other American voiceovers are there so many? Why would I compete? It's ridiculous so I ask you a question if you got your top button done up I just noticed that's very formal of you. I mean it's a solo shirt. It's very English of me Would it be legit for a voiceover throwback to my sort of skinny days or something? Just don't ask Prince Andrews for god's sake We got some questions from our our vast worldwide audience and Sure I reckon you should do it. Dan, you should actually get the just pull a question. I don't look at it And just pick a name of any of us and it will probably be the wrong question for that Just print it write it backwards and then stick it on your forehead And then we'll answer the question and then you'll have to guess what the question was All right, George gets the first question and he can address it to whoever he wishes The first one in the audience from rob rider who's on youtube watching In from Cincinnati I've been told that the normal noise floor in a quiet home Is about minus 70 db if a booth has a noise floor of minus 60 db or better Why do we need room tone at all like for audiobooks? How about Robert you take this one. Oh god If if if the noise floor of a house is Lower than your booth. Why do you need room tone for? It I mean I would call it booth tone You just because it's if if you're cutting everything and you and you edit like between one word and another word You're going to hear the silence and your brain whoever the listener is will feel the absence of whatever it is in the background So you want to bridge that across with your edits even if you're cutting out breaths You might even just want some silence there because if not, you'll feel that complete cliff down Um anybody on headphones will especially notice this stuff because then it's not blending with Whatever room tone is existing with the speakers that they're listening in already So if you're on headphones, it's like now you're fighting against zero There's no place to hide you can hear your edits put some booth tone or some room tone in between things and it just makes Life way easier if not you have to have such an incredibly clean setup that um, it's really hard to achieve And you have to make no noises if you're move, you know Like in between words if you somehow move your arm and there's a sound and you have to get out of it Again, you're going to hear these things be Cut in and out. Um, it sound gated and whatnot. So yeah, I mean a normal noise for in a quiet room minus 70 b I I don't I don't I don't know where that spec comes from It's probably I mean if yeah, if you have a quiet home and and and and Urban suburban or or Whatever environment you could probably get that low the problem is a lot of us are in urban environments And we never get close to that level of a room tone and a quiet home And then people go inside a booth thinking it's going to be quieter and it might be all the way down to 150 hertz quieter But from 150 or below It sometimes is louder because that room is a resonating chamber and now it makes everything Louder in those lower frequencies. So yeah, we're all fighting against different Battles in terms of room tone noise levels Yeah, and and the other thing also to remember is is you know, it Absolutely when the audio is raw You're probably not going to notice it so much But once you start processing once you start EQing and compressing and all that sort of stuff You actually are bringing that noise up a touch So it does become more noticeable and it compressor will just bring all your edits out You'll that's totally and you know, unless you know, unless you you sort of you know Go in and do a whole bunch of heaps of heap of noise reduction stuff Your brain will pick up as exactly as Robert's saying. So yeah, there's certainly will pick up silence. Yeah Yeah, you do want something just to fill those gaps. So um I usually I've actually got a file sitting there when I edit which is actually just The the noise of the booth Which I've captured and I just I just cut a piece and when I have to take something out like a breath or whatever I just drop it in That's how I do it. It's it's bizarre not to take this into a pro audio suite thing but adding noise in a sense adds resolution to things Which is what's called dither, but It can it gives a nice the easiest way to explain it is it gives a nice infinity for like For your voice to go or whatever it is that you're listening to for to fade away into So you can't tell when it went away and if if you don't have that then it's a lot harder to um Kind of give us a voice over artists would also probably be horrified to know that one of the first things You reach for when you're processing voices these days is a bit of distortion Just to give it a bit of crack and crunch and and pop. So, um, you know, it's um, it does have its place Now his question also when you uh, if you've got your mic set like you've got if you've got a multi pattern microphone Depending on what pattern you select when you cut at the end of a word. I know this is You get a click What pattern is that we talked about this only a couple of weeks ago Any pattern that lets more low end through Basically because that click is going to mainly come from leaving a waveform the low end tends to be more Susceptible to the cut happening when it's way at the bottom of the, you know, like the waveform moving up and down Relative to zero and so if you cut there on the bottom and the worst-case scenario is the next instant is a cut on the top Physically, there's no way sound instantly jumps up like that and you get a click So something that has a lot of low end But I remember that I used to um, you know in our in our booth at at a studio I worked at we had a crt tv and One of the engineers just didn't care that that thing was on like kicking out like 14k constantly And he just didn't hear it didn't care about it. Whatever Um, but the funny thing is like you'd scrub And you'd scrub down they're like And then that super high frequency noise would come down into like some other audio frequency And it'd just be maddening when you're editing because it'd be like you'd go into scrub you like And you'd hear it constantly because like this 14k signal being Pit shifted as you scrub Well, we got a question here from linda graves Who says and this this is one I ask all the time because it's like why are you doing this? What does a one a $1,000 interface like a universal apollo twin duo Give you That the 150 to $200 interfaces do aside from the fact that you can use all those plugins Um, you have less dollars to worry about Yeah Um, the the apollo's got a pretty decent preamp And so some of those like hundred dollar hundred and fifty dollar They're gonna have a preamp that doesn't quite give you as like they might go up to a good example is like a road a i1 It only goes up to like 50 decibels of boost Um, and so maybe if you're really soft spoken or doing some asmr or something You could use the extra gain before the mic preamp gets noisy There's a hell of a lot of internal routing and other capabilities that the apollo has for dealing with latency But in the end if all you need is a mic in and headphone out and you're trying to look for simplicity The most the apollo offers you I think is a Good mic preamp and a good headphone preamp Yeah Yeah, I actually like the um the ssl 2 which is uh the interface that I use That one. Yeah, I've been hearing that Well, it's got plenty of gain. That was the thing because robert and I were doing We're actually shooting a video for source elements as it was And uh, I was using the ai1 and my daughter was doing the voice and it just didn't have enough Gain for what we were trying to achieve I mean we it was cranked but we we got through it, but it it wasn't ideal And uh, so robert and I afterwards started talking about Getting another interface with more gain and we Scoured around and um found the ssl 2 So I bought one and that I think that's got about 60 65 or 60 60 to 65 whatever it is. Yeah, the road. I think has like 45 I think and I think some of the other like less expensive interfaces are like 50 and 55 the road was just honestly especially low It's not bad. It doesn't but the road doesn't seem to go into like crazy noise some of them that go up to Whatever 80 and 60 or whatever when they do get up there. They're just Kicking a lot of noise anyway, so it's kind of useless range Yeah, and interesting that road would put that out with only 50 db game because the roads generally are somewhat lower output But uh, I think the reason they did it with that because it was a kit and then it came with the you could bike As it came with the nt1 one and the nt1 has a a huge amount of gain. It's incredibly quiet So I think is a pair with the ai1 on the nt1. It worked really well It's when you start sticking other things you put a dynamic mic on that like put an s of 7 with the ai1 And you're in pain you're in trouble George you got jeff holman's question I'll do that. I just wanted to there was a follow-up from rob. He said, oh, I'm sorry I got some of the stuff backwards actually meant that the noise level in my house Is actually louder than the noise level in my booth and I think what he's I think it's a semantical thing He's asking about room tone again And room tone is just a generic term for The sound of an open microphone in a space Right without you talking. Yeah, right. So every room has a different room tone because it's unique to that space That's what we're really referring to. So Yeah, your booth might have a higher should have a lower your booth should have a lower room than your house Yeah, otherwise you wasted a lot of money, but it doesn't yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, so that's that's definitely true Jeff holman asks. He's our very own chat room mod What's your feeling on using pre processing to audio requested to be audio without processing? Like sending in an audition with high-pass filter activated on your revelator when you're not doing post processing technically So yeah, we talked about I don't I don't call a high-pass filter. I'll pass that one off is not Processing like you're you're allowed to use a high-pass filter as long as it's not too high everything else Don't touch it. I think yeah Yeah, I think we talked about this a couple episodes ago for me It comes down to for me it comes down to Do what you have to do And but do it for a reason so have a result in mind Don't blindly reach for a high-pass filter You know if you don't know what it's going to do or why you need it Um, leave it alone. If there's nothing sonically that strikes you that makes you go, you know, this could be a little odd Don't don't do it Yeah, how about this for an answer If you have a problem that you know about You have two choices And that is to just let the other engineer deal with it Or you try to get rid of it And the whole question is can you get rid of it better than the engineer? Can you get rid of it without tying their hands in any way that they might go? You know what I just didn't care about that noise at all. I didn't care at all And now this processing has done something. It's cut the end of a breath off If it's a gate or something does something weird that maybe in some for some reason is needed But if you're absolutely sure that you can solve the problem for the engineer You are doing them a favor. You're saving them time great Um, the problem is that that's not guaranteed to be what they want. And so The other aspect I would say is If you can do something with your voice that you cannot stand someone not doing for you If you don't trust them like just the opposite if you don't trust the engineer to you know tweak it up and give a little bit of a brighter eq and compress it a little bit whatever If you if you're not sure they're gonna do that and you can't stand the possibility of your voice going out without that Then sure do your stuff And the weird thing is the awkward conversation you have to have with the engineer and whoever it is It's not really that awkward. But like do you want processing or not? Do you like it like this or like that be really quick at being able to turn the stuff off? If you're probably doing a session with me on you like turn it off But there might be engineers out there that do prefer it or they do want to work quick or Classically you're recording with Say direct to a client and they're editing your voice Straight in a video editor and you just know that they're never going to give it to an audio person And they're just going to spit it out of the video machine Then you might want to get ahead of the game and try to process your voice for those things but um Yeah, you have to be confident in the processing you're doing And then you have to be willing to have the conversation with somebody to say hey I'm doing this do you want it or not or you can just not do it no one expects you to do it anyways and Done I think that there's the only issue I can see with that though is that we all have this weird perception of what we sound like And I guarantee if you know like a voice talent decides they're going to process their voice They're going to make it sound like some something they want it to sound like not what it should sound like And that that's an issue that um, you know once it's baked you can't unbake it so correct my advice I would say Don't don't touch you can never go wrong with not touching it Yeah, I mean the thing is if you're if you're if your room is fun like we talked about before if your booth Is good, you know and the the everything that comes out of there sounds Natural as we've talked about, you know sonically fine Then even if they do stick it in there or it's not perfect But you kind of go well, you know, it's better than me butchering it or whatever, you know So just leave that thing. I think that's the thing and and I don't I really don't want to sound arrogant here But but interestingly too late too late. Yes. I know exactly what an asshole that robo is Head up his ass. Um, I I would suggest to you that you know, I guess you know Given 35 years here robert however many years behind the console an audio engineer is going to know What they want to do with your bad audio better than you You know what I mean and or they're going to want to do it their own way They're going to go well, you know, I don't like this so I'm going to process this way But if you give it to them and you've already had a hack of it you What you do is you push them into a corner of what they they're able to do to get the result they want So especially with compression and gating you you can barely undo that stuff if at all like But how many how many guys like robo how many times have you listened to other audio engineers? And we're not going to name names, but you hear what they do and it's like That sounds like crap. What are they doing? I mean, that's the point though. They don't think it sounds like crap. You think it sounds like crap That's right. And they may listen to my stuff and go well, that's rubbish too. And that's that's more personal But but you know, at least it's it's as an audio engineer They've been given the opportunity to make it crap if that's how they want it to sound If that's the sound they want to make it sound Um, it hasn't been you know, it's not taken away at the beginning of the process because You've over compressed your voice or you've gated so hard. You've cut stuff off and now all of a sudden I'm pushed into this corner where I've got to spend 45 minutes to an hour doing what I can to fix it for for a and still not perfect result I mean like like a situation like this you're doing an ensemble record or it's supposed to be all this stuff recorded sort of in a in a group And one person gives you the super highly compressed Thing which doesn't sound very room-like and conversational So now you're like great. I gotta to make everyone sound similar I gotta make them all sound like they're super compressed and then you're like Well, okay, it works and probably most people don't notice but you're you're thinking as an engineer like man If I had it differently, I would have treated these voices like that and it really would have sounded like they were all in a room And yeah, and you're just like well, I had to take in a different direction because one person went there now I have to take everything there for example. Yeah. Yeah. Well gentlemen We we've reached the end of this particular hour But you're gonna stick around and we're gonna do tech talk for next week And if anybody's got a question for you that they are like, what are these guys talking about? We can we can get into that in our in our in our next hour and anyway Guys, thanks for being with us tonight Pleasure to meet all of you. I mean, I know most of you guys But it's always a pleasure to to talk with you and thanks for being with us. It's a pleasure to meet you guys too I haven't seen anything You know what some of these guys look like Anyway, George and I'll be back to wrap things up right after this Beautiful. You're still watching v. 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Yeah Yeah Yeah, tech tech talk is yeah tech talks a slightly different format where you know george has a bunch of topics that he talks about that are You know, sometimes I find completely irrelevant, but that doesn't really matter I know the feeling of being totally irrelevant. Yeah Anyway, so uh, we'll we'll call on you guys, you know you guys listen in and feel free to chime in while george is doing that stuff and Uh, and then we will solicit more questions from our vast worldwide audience that you guys can address Anyway, are are we ready mismirlino? Give me a thumbs up. Okay Let's do tech talk get your questions in the chat room now because these guys know how to answer them. Let's roll three two Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop tech talk Yeah, we got some great guests with us. We usually don't have guests for tech talk, but we've got Robert Marshall and Andrew Peters and Robbo Robertson joining us from the pro audio suite and If you've got a question about your home voiceover studio boy now is the time now is the time because these guys will go Right over your head with probably more stuff Over and right through the middle absolutely So get those questions into the chat room right now and uh, let's get rolling. It's time for tech talk on voiceover body shop right now From the outer reaches they came Bearing the knowledge of what it takes to properly record your voiceover audio And together from the center of the vio universe, they bring it to you now George Widom the engineer to the vio stars A virginia tech grad with the skills to build set up and maintain the professional vio studios of the biggest names in vio today and you Dan Leonard the voiceover home studio master A professional voice talent with the knowledge and experience to help you create a professional sounding home vio studio And each week they allow you into their world making the complex simple Debunking the myths of what it takes to create great sounding audio Answering your questions showing you the latest and greatest in vio tech and having a dandy time doing it Welcome to voice over body shop tech talk Voice over body shop tech talk is brought to you by voiceover essentials dot com home of harlin hogan signature products source elements remote studio connections for everyone voice actor websites dot com where your vio website isn't a pain in the butt vio heroes dot com become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training jay michael collins demos when quality matters and voiceover extra your daily resource for vio success And now live to drive from their super secret clubhouse and studio in sherman oaks california Here are the guys Well, hello there i'm dan Leonard and i'm george wittem and this is voice over body shop or vio everybody bs Tech talk tech talk tech talk tech We're here. I like your intro. Can I just say it's very effective. Oh, thank you. That's all dan right there Yeah, it's you know the reverb, but the reverb especially is just Just makes it Oh, oh gosh, thank you coming from a producer. That makes me feel was that a pcm 60 or uh, Burkastie, uh, which is probably my 416 anyway Yeah, if if you've got a question, uh for these a wonderful audio folk that we have with us this week from the pro audio suite george's other podcast Uh, which a little looser it's like an awkward Thanksgiving dinner Where the other family? Yeah, but who's the turkey? Well, I'm supposed to hit the uh, the rimshot button anywhere Uh, I don't have the road caster. I'm not on the road caster Oh, well, wait a second. Let me let me let me find it. Where's the where's the rimshot the rimshot is There it is. Yay Nothing like a late sound effect the joys of live radio But that's what we love about this show is that we we do it live although and all yes, and well It's also exactly the reason we don't do ours life Exactly Oh, but it's more fun this way, you know, you never know what's gonna happen. It's like a box of chocolates You never know what you're gonna. Yeah, but that's a such a weird saying because if you buy a box of chocolates It says what it is on the outside. Otherwise you wouldn't buy it So I never got that life's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get we'll read the freaking label They don't always have a decoder thing that says which one is in what area And plus if someone eats enough of them out of the box Then they start getting shuffled around and you have no idea which one is which So then you have to go by the look of them But by the time you start trying to analyze it the person holding the box offering you a chocolate Is like get on with it and then you grab a random chocolate and you don't know what you're gonna get and there you go And it's the orange flavor. It's always It's always the weird I always get the nougat and I hate nougat, but anyway, oh Well, cc united nougat. We say nougat Really? Does that mean we're a bit french or something? Okay Anyways like that in banana like yeah, we are all over the place tonight Aside from being all over the place, but all over the world. Yes. Robert is in chicago and andrew. You are in Well, I'm actually in uh, I'm out of melbourne. I'm down the coast of melbourne and if anyone's watching netflix currently and there's a tv show or a series called Uh surviving summer I thought you were saying byron bays, but no Byron bays No Surviving summer if you want to check it out and see where I live That's where it was all shot, but it's actually kind of weird because They're on our beach and then there's they're out surfing another beach and then pretend it's the same place and everyone locally is going Oh, it's a hollywood trick. Yeah, it is. Yeah, and rubble. You're in sydney I am syd vegas. That's right. Always. We like to call it underwater world Sydney Barrett anyway, uh One of the things that I think people need to understand if you haven't figured it out already when we do voiceover body shop Is telling you about what george and I do which is help you Create and maintain your home voiceover studios And it's time for a plug. Yes Yes, I mean it's it's very very specific To you and to your particular environment, and that's what we do is we will come in and we'll say where's the best place to record Oh, you have a booth. Okay. How do you use it? And that's what we do Amazingly, some people don't hold this up to a lot of people and ask them which way you should talk into And I guarantee most of them will get it wrong Even even if you put a sign directly on the wall next to the microphone that says to speak into the side of it um Which especially if if if you're the type that might edit video You will probably going to take the same microphone and point it straight at you and start talking to the front of it Ignoring the sign that's there to uh And wonder why does it sound like this? But anyway, yeah It's time for uh, george's tech update in a minute But first we got to tell you that if you want to work with one of us whether it's me or george You can do that. We are professionals. We will consult with you We can come into your home if you happen to be in the greater los angeles area most occasionally we travel Yeah, we do travel and no restraining order No Uh, but we don't like sneak in the back window We just actually ring the bell and knock on the door but um If you want to work with one of us because we have lots of interesting services to make sure that you sound your best If you want to work with george, where do you go? Well, you head over to georgev.tech, of course My name is my address. Uh, there's a lot going on over there the site is uh We'll be the current site that you see will be sunsetted soon. And is that enough s alliteration for you? Um, it will be going away So if you like my old school website, you better go look at it now because in about a month or so It's gonna be gone. Um, but that's where you can find all my services over there sound checks Um stacks studio design and audiobook mastering processing stacks All that kind of stuff happens over there george the.tech and dan You have your own home on the web with a freshly painted website and that's at Home voiceover studio dot com indeed. Yes, it is brand spanking new The specimen collection cup is now at the top of the page Not at the bottom. So when you come to my page, you'll go. Oh, that's where I submit my audio So dan can analyze it and for 25 audio folks only audio only specimen I was gonna say Yeah, kind of like from john oliver asked people to send in their tidings or something for I don't know where I keep my tidings. But anyway, uh, if go over there for 25 dollars I will analyze your existing audio and either tell you it's Easy a little bit of work or it's fabulous and you don't need my help But generally there's always something I can come up with and you know So go on over to home voiceover studio and check that out and now It's time for george's weekly tech update Take it away george the tech I will not stretch this one out because we've got so much talent here today And I don't want to waste everybody's precious time But I did get something sent to me recently Um our friends over mojave audio and I say friends because I've known a dusty wakeman over there for a long time They were a very early supporter of the sag after uh, um, donna fontain voiceover a lab And so we've known him a while in a long time and they do make some great mics He said george, I don't know why you don't have one of our mics. So here you go And here it is. So this is the um, ma 50 This is their this is their entry point microphone. Okay, you know, they're most Accessibly priced. I believe it's 500 us So certainly not a cheap microphone But if you know anything about mojave the founder the the the guy that actually invents the microphones Um, he's uh, david royer. You may have heard of royer royer microphone. Absolutely. Yeah, he is a A genius And he is very very particular about what they sell even if it's very affordable And so even at the price point of the ma 50 It's still a very very high quality microphone And this is probably where a lot of folks are going to start their voiceover Journey in their lineup now they have the ma 301 FET that's if you want to go with a multi pattern microphone Um, and you want more options, but the ma 50 is a nice straightforward single pattern No frills No switches No bells and whistles just a really clean pure microphone And that's something that I will hopefully be using and reviewing shortly But this is literally I I literally opened the box right before we started taping tonight I watched him actually open it. Yeah, and then this is really exciting the shotgun the shock mount You know pretty standard fair right there. It's an elastic shock mount and that's it in a nice box. Nice road case. There you go Nice microphone. Thanks dusty. We'll give it its due and we'll start using it for real Shortly a promise. I think I used a mojave years ago for someone stumbled across was a studio in Guy called tristan meredith if you're watching tristan Um, he had a mojave and it was a tube mojave. Yeah, I was gonna say they're more I I know more for tube mics And and they were quite the rage Especially when they first came out, you know, I made 200 the ma 300 because I I think wasn't Who's doing a lot of the mic mods before that and like Jolly, yeah, that's right Mike jolly. Mike jolly. Yeah What's the connection with him and mojave? I I think they came on the scene like right at the same time like mojave was like one of the early Independent might make my mic makers like, you know, like poluso Was early on in there. Yeah, like before that it was always akg and and neumann a big usual and and and there weren't any boutique mic preamp mic companies and then Mojave poluso shows up. There's one in australia. We won't talk about And right so so they I put them in that category and then along that same time was because a lot of what these You know, like these guys were we're we're building off of was the ability to be able to buy parts to To get reasonably high quality capsules or they were able to get the machinery To make their own capsules and it was like the next level and You know like boutique like yeah, I mean yeah, I've met david I know the first fact that he does personally listen to every single mic that leaves the their plant there and it's up and right here in burbank in california and it yeah, he's He's can he's a control freak He is and so, you know, that's why they're not going to make a 300 200 dollar 100 dollar mic It's just not possible. They're not wanting to play at that at that level. This is a Unaffordable entry point, but still a very high quality. Well me and check out mic. So that's the mojave We'll do some more testing of it I think that you and I need to go over there george and do a remote session over there I think that'd be a lot of fun. I know they would love to do it. Absolutely. That would be a blast. Well, make it calm Let's make it happen Another more mundane topic But anyway, because I had a couple of these sitting on sitting around I recently had to set up a studio where we put a webcam in the booth and the booth is You know by the routing of the wiring probably 20 feet from the computer And one of the features we needed to have was a webcam because we what's happening is the the actors in the booth The producer and the client and the whoever else the talent not the talent. Sorry the clients, I guess Um is sitting in another room, right? So we don't have a window. We don't have a way to see them So we're using a webcam getting that webcam signal from the booth all the way over to the mac was a little bit of a challenge This is in a studio where they don't have a direct window So they're using it in like a cctv. I've been at a few studios that the reason for this is the wall It's between the booth and the other room is a shear wall and a condo We couldn't we couldn't move it. We couldn't modify it. We couldn't mess with the shear wall It's it's structural, right? Yeah, so we might have like florida. Yeah So we ended up with a webcam and it works fine except for the distance, right? I bought a usb 3.0 extension cable on amazon We plugged it in and the camera frame rate Was like that. It was really really bad and it said usb 3.0 extension, right? The thing was it wasn't active extender. There's differences between these extensions You if you're running webcams webcams are particularly picky about the speed of the connection everything You want to make sure it's an active usb extender. This one happens to be Telltale sign usually is that they have a pretty big chunky connector on one end Because there's actually circuitry in here. So that's getting a little electricity from the usb port on the computer That's running through the cable and then and actually providing power to this end Where the camera plugs in this Actually, we got another one in there that uses ethernet. I it's so funny I happen to have it from another job. It was in a bin and it wasn't sure not trash a container It was in a container in my car That uh that had extra cables and sure enough there it was and the one that I found Actually extends the connection over cat 5 And it actually worked perfectly. I was shocked how well it worked So anyway, I had already bought another one because I wasn't sure if the one I had would work and that one looks something like this Now this this is sort of the next level of extender. That's that's a nice one. Yeah. Yeah, what's cool about this one is You can run very long distances over cat 6 and it's also a usb hub. So you're getting the You can't see it because of the picture is not showing the usb ports But on the other side of this box are four usb 2.0 ports So now you can put this in your booth Plug in multiple devices a keyboard a mouse maybe an i-lock you could have everything that you want to have in your booth with you Uh plugged into this and then it extends over a normal cat 6. I think it's cat 5 actually Um ethernet cable which are extremely cheap and they can run a long long distance So this is the kind of thing you want to look at is it says 60 m? This one is specced to run up to 60 meters So something like that worth george Uh 60 60 us Amazon prime. I mean it came like in two days. I've done with this stuff at time I mean because extending usb is the same nightmare as extending hdmi Um, and so you need it's funny because you said that that one's active But a lot of the active usb extenders i've seen they actually have a wall wart on the Receiving side. Yes. I meant to say that the the one that I ended up using in the studio It has two little tails right one has usb male The other one female and then there's an ethernet port on the other side that connects But the one end they actually the receiving end the one that's in the in the booth Where the camera plugs in has a power supply exactly it plugs in whereas this one doesn't this one relies on the fact that you're plugging it into a usb 3 Port you see it's blue that's that's i'm trying to figure out like that this one says it's active But there's no extra power than the source of the original usb. So it's not it's not in any way repeating or Is that really active or is that is that an amplifier? Is it more an amplifier than anything? It's it's active because it's using that 900 milliamp usb 3 Power sub power to power this electronics that are in this cable So that's what makes it but you you if you don't plug this into a usb 3 Connector you will not get that power and it probably won't work So that's why I thought I would show these off because they're they're not all the same And you have to be so I would recommend buying two completely different one if you're like concerned about something working They're cheap enough you can get return and get more than one and test them both because you might One way not may work and no one may not I've I've found that the ethernet ones for me didn't work as well You know in in the studio, but but the ones I had were not powered They were just like ethernet on either end and that was it Yeah, no, I think powered is the key word that they have a power supply That provides and some sort of a booster amplifier That provides that strong signal and and again that if that seemed to be what worked And the cable I had the ethernet cable I happened to have was one of those flat Very low profile cables and it was 50 feet long. It was much longer than needed, right? Didn't matter it still worked flawlessly. So there you go. Um moving on to uh software I've started playing around with this thing called sound desk and sound desk is allows you to emulate pretty closely the the the the fun that you can have with um With an Apollo where you get to plug in a processing Into a signal and record directly through it. I was thinking even more is like a dog without the tracks It is so so this is a way to mix multiple inputs Send them to multiple places And have them be monitored or recorded into software. It's a 30 dollar application. Is it simple? No, it is not It's not that either is an Apollo twin. So neither is Is it it's it's definitely Something to wrap your head around if you're familiar with something called loop back and a few other tools It's kind of similar in some ways to what that does, but this emulates more of an actual mixer But what it lets you do is you can have multiple channels of audio come in and have it go back out the other side But what's what's most interesting about it is their sound driver It has a mode called all-in-one And what all-in-one mode does is it takes literally every single audio channel available in your system from every device and Bakes them all into one super big audio device And now it lets you send things in ways in and out of things in a way that we're really difficult to do And it's really it's basically an aggregate device in a sense, isn't it? Yeah, it's creating its own aggregated audio device where we're bundling together multiple things What have I done with it so far? You're probably wondering the only thing I've done with it so far, George The only thing I have done is I used it to a clubhouse. I wore my headset microphone That has a little boom mic on it. It's not an expensive mic by any means And I threw it in my I take it on my I'll take it on the road, right? And I'm sitting in the airport terminal To fly back from philadelphia to la on on thursday Or no friday and I want to do in my clubhouse that I do this one I do every every Twice a week for for the george the tech customers And not have it sound like total garbage and have it be really noisy So I ran my in my mic through a series of plugins I was using um burr tom de noiser And I was using a shep's Omni channel wave is plug-in because I'd just gotten it and I was able to throw all this stuff in and because of the really low latency that A modern computer. I'm using a macbook air m1. I was able to monitor all that processing So I was actually hearing what everybody else was hearing with an extremely small amount of delay It was enough to detect it It wasn't perfectly zero. It wasn't zero It was probably 20 to 30 milliseconds But it was short enough that I could monitor What I was sending out and so I was getting the effect in essence that you're getting from a 600 dollar plus apollo For a 30 dollar plugin or or application. So It proved to work. It was pretty impressive I wouldn't I still wouldn't recommend it to everybody the especially if you're not needing to do anything live It's really not necessary But for those who have unique use cases that want to have more control over your audio signal before it's recorded This is an option for doing that. Yeah, that's what's it. What's it giving me that nexus isn't giving me that source nexus So, yeah, good point. So I can see you could put nexus in this and really get confusing I'm confused already So later in this episode i'm going to give robert the opportunity to do his own commercial for nexus Just because he's here and he can explain it better than anyone else. Everybody should have nexus Nexus is a way to to send audio from one thing to another thing inside your computer and robert can expand on this this It kind of it's kind of like that, but it also has this mixing capability Um, it's it's more it's a more complex tool I would say that nexus uses the da for that mixing capability right nexus is a companion for your DAW pro tools or whatever. See I can see this is meant to be another tool altogether. Yeah, once again, you're you're Go ahead. I was just going to say I can see pro tools doing Using nexus what that's doing. I guess is that sort of pretty much pro tools. Would that be close? Yeah, like you put nexus and pro tools together. You could do what you're getting from that Yeah, absolutely Thank that you take pro tools and nexus and you have basically some if you have pro tools You do not need sound desk likely because you have all the capabilities you have you need It's just that sound dex. I like I think it's clever that it has the all-in-one audio driver which Aggregates everything together for you. So that's how is that? How's that not like just going to the mac and slamming together and aggregate device? It's essentially I think the same it just that it just does it with a click I see it just does it so And it has a it has a routing matrix if you really want to get in the weeds It has a routing matrix and it shows every software running on the computer that has audio and lets you assign them to different Right points in the matrix. So it's it can get pretty pretty interesting fancy Dan do you have a thing to tag on to this conversation? What I was going to tag on was that if you've got a question out there anybody Throw it in the chat room, uh, whether you're on facebook live or whether you are watching on youtube And uh or on a ham radio, which apparently is still fairly popular Only with eggs You might use one of those mics behind you on a ham radio That's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Anyway, uh, throw them in the chat room and jeff holman is back there somewhere jeff Yeah, you're somewhere around here and he will relay those questions to us and our great guest andrew peters robert marshall and robbo robertson Joining us from the Pro audio suite these guys know their stuff. So throw those questions in there. That's scary. Yeah, I know All right. Well, we're gonna we're gonna let the the the pro audio suite guys get into uh, what they want to talk about a little bit And your questions Right after these important messages. So don't go anywhere. 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I improvise a spot So so nexus something that might be new to a lot of our viewers that hear me talk about source connect most of the time tell us A couple of unique things that make it a useful tool for anybody recording in their Home studio and I would say mainly would you say it's something that's suited for the producer side of It's it's it's a lot suited for the producer. I would say the the quickest thing is For the uh audio engineers and producers what it lets them do is stay in their audio workstation Typically pro tools, but could be logic or whatever and it lets them very easily interface that workstation with a whole bunch of outside, um Other applications and communication systems that might not present themselves as Um As plugins or might not even be able to address multi-channel audio. So nexus lets any application any web browser music player Quicktime player, etc. You can use like a zoom type thing skypes and source connects So like basically source connect has a plugin built into it But that plugin only does its thing for source connect trades audio to from source the link plugin So think of nexus as like the bigger version of link that now does that same trick For every application and service inside your computer. And so now The audio engineer can have a voice talent coming in Send audio to remote clients Feed the audio from the remote clients back to the talent Bring in a website that everyone's like well, it was like this on that youtube video. Okay here I'll play the youtube video for you too. You can do all that inside Your workstation, which you're very familiar with Yeah, and then you end up on a session on source connect and they don't know how to use this on the other end Oh, good luck because this is by far the best way to do it And uh, you know, I recommend it's been a couple years now with the pandemic This tool and others like, you know that allow remote collaboration Are highly and well Established now into what they're doing, you know chances are if there's a zoom happening during a source connect They're going to be using this it's got to be nexus But make sure that whoever you're working with knows how to use this because it is A very powerful way to do it and before we go robert. There's three different levels of it, right? Yeah, I'll jump in so like Well, there used to be three different levels now. There's just nexus because We got with too many products and people are like, I don't understand. What do I need? And so we just simplified everything and so now there's just nexus Um, there there used to be a free a basic and nexus pro now. There's just nexus And I I think maybe one of the obvious questions is like, why would I need this as a voice talent? and I would say Probably the best reason that a voice talent needs would would maybe want nexus is they're in a session and the clients Aren't hiring an engineer. They just want to zoom in and have you record everything But they're being a little bit presumptuous and they want you to record separate takes and manage the takes and they want you to Playback things that like in the middle of the session. Can you go back and play take five? Well, you know, we're at to play take 10 and whatever and so if you need to play back out of your recording software nexus would just do that very easily for you Especially if you're in anything from adobe audition to pro tools to logic, etc And there's certainly ways to do it outside And that's you know, but this is the nice thing about nexus is it does it in your workstation Yeah, yeah, so did they get it as a is it a subscription or a one-time buy either It's it's 295 one time or 11 12 dollars a month. Um, yeah All right, great man. Well, there you go. It did turn into an infomercial. What can I tell you but Because i'm here because it robert's here, but hey, that's that's what's cool about doing the show Thanks robert and thank you source elements for your support of vobs. Let's get on with the show with more commercials right after this Well, hello there I bet you weren't expecting to hear some big voice announcer guy on your new orientation training for snapchat. Were you? 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I think they speak for themselves, but i will give you my email It's j michael at jmc voiceover dot com now if they will stop waxing this mustache for a minute We'll get back to the show Before time began there was v obs dot tv watch or else All right, bailey Yes, back the epic voice guy Anyway, um, you know speaking of blowing your mind Before we started the show george and i were watching the first pictures from the web telescope Which like if that's gonna blow your mind. It's like whoa, there's galaxies and get there's as many galaxies as there are stars The thing and the thing operates at minus. I think it's minus 400 degrees kelvin Wait, wait. How can there be as many galaxies as there are stars if there's stars in galaxies? There you go. I was talking visually within the frame I was trying to sound sound smart and I said minus 400 degrees kelvin everybody's like there sounds like it's negative kelvin sorry It starts at zero At all it operates at nearly zero degrees kelvin and it uh, and it will look back to about 300,000 light years before no years before the big or after the big bang or something like that It's it's insane. I'm billions of years into this mind blowing but that's the time you've heard and seen this It's already we're all dead. Yes. We've been gone for several billion years somebody watching on another planet, but yeah, that's right Maybe we can put the pro audio suite and and uh v obs on a golden record and let it float out in space and so I think it's a very good idea something else more intelligent. Yeah, no, it's gonna take Took berries out there. Yeah, that's right. Send more chuckberry But uh, yeah, I mean the thing is is we could send that out there. It'll take 10 000 years For a response and then you know, what's the response and then the last question? What did you say that again? No, no, the last question like, you know, how do I get rid of the boomy sound in my booth? I really need advice and and also do you do a house call? I'm over here on jupiter nine Yeah, that's right Anyway, we're this is a very special session of voiceover money shop tech talk because we got some super duper techies with this We have robert marshall and robert robertson and andrew peters From george's other podcast the pro audio suite now. Here's something really techie So please go for it and it's got nothing to do with this at all really only to the point that God we really are robert back into I know this is getting weird now back in 2000. I think 2006 you were working on Source connect. Is that correct source elements robert? Yeah, so it's I mean Source connect was an idea in my head for Pretty much as many years as I was introduced to the internet and I began working with isdn so somehow the idea began forming somewhere between 1998 and by the time 2004 rolls around I've become annoying enough to my boss That I um You know like one of the things he said to me was like, you know like we'll prove you can stream audio over the internet or something and I ended up streaming from the california office to the Chicago office of the california office I had a huge amount of latency, but I was able to get audio across intact And so that was one proof and then we talked at various Um, you know different people who were at companies that had made products or software people And it was always like, yeah, we could build source connect for you. That'll be you know a million dollars or more and um There's always some crazy high price to develop it And this is right around the same time like skype is just starting at the same time as well So I think you're before skype because the only reason I'm saying this is because At the same time you were streaming audio I was working on a company the all-fated real-time casting But the first iteration of real-time casting was actually on camera casting and the idea was That instead of going in in front of a camera someone films you on VHS They send that an overnight bag to the client the client watches the you know the castings or auditions Calls it then people have to come back. It takes like weeks, but the time they actually get someone um I said to a techie made of mine is that there's got to be some way of actually streaming the the video And we did in 2006. I can still remember sitting in a house. We had a computer in one room A computer in another room and we streamed from A preskype streamed video from one room to another which was pretty amazing So we were both doing similar things at the same time Which is kind of spooky I remember the first version of source connect that we got back and it was just a line command Application right you'd have to like type commands into a terminal to make it do stuff and um Even more than the latency I had in my initial tests and we streamed from one side of the other and it takes It takes like 45 seconds for the audio to get through and I'm thinking to myself like Whose memory is storing it actually like how could it take that long and and eventually obviously the latency got Driven down. Um, so from 2004 to 2005 roughly We did the rnd and made source connect version one And then it was just a trip from there. Um, we uh, you know, just First couple years were super slow. It was always like the sucks compared to ISDN. It was probably made A little bit before the internet really was able to handle this I would say it was around source connect 3 where it really came into its own And that's when we built the vo to go kits For steve action. Yeah, which he ran which was still bridging to ISDN because ISDN was still like heavily and Out of here was his business and he was a Specifically built bridge to connect ISDN to source connect and 3.0 is what I think it might we might have started before 3 But I feel like 3 3 had a lot. I mean so basically 3 was the first version that had auto restore and auto replace in it as well And that was sort of our response to like, you know what you just can't rely on the internet And that's kind of true to this day It's gotten better But you really don't know when you're going to get like, you know Go walk in a park and see if you get some bird shit on you and you probably will at some point That numbers guy It's gonna happen like eventually so That was but and then I'm trying to think when it was It was like growing steadily up until I I left I left the post house that we started out of and around the same time Um, Rebecca had had acquired the company and and that was also really motivating because there was just um It was like sort of a rebirth sort of and actually it's funny because if you remember our website was phoenix At that point and we finally just Just bridged a past phoenix Um and the new website that just launched Um But yeah, we and then right around that time when Rebecca Um sort of picked it up And and and was was like the principle at that point. Um That's when source connect now came out Um, and we also shortly after that finished source live Which was again, I think another one of those things was just a little bit ahead of its time because we were trying to stream video to the clients in real time But you really couldn't stream reliable good video 30 frames a second those smooths so that clients could you know Make sound design and lip sync comments off of it So that source live the initial version had You know like a three second latency if it was running well and if it was not running well as a 10 second latency And so it was kind of like a great idea, but the latency made sessions rough Um, and it was only for the people that absolutely had to be remote on their sessions But then whatever that was 2012 or 13. I think when source live comes out 2020 we do source live too knock the latency down to basically the same as source connect like 200 milliseconds 300 and um And now as we know it's like the whole world is remote and and we just sort of world is remote Yeah, rest is history. And we're learning these lessons early on and and trying to position the product when No one knew that they completely needed it and then kovat just kind of Yes, it's kind of and then you didn't sleep for two years. So let me think it's true It really is true. I mean, it's like exactly Started kovat anyway I don't think so No, we think uh, robert's Yeah, but it's funny because back in um, yeah back in 2008. I remember I don't know how I stumbled across a source connect But I think it was 2007 2008 It's pretty early on. I mean, we were only a few years old Yeah, and I was going for a session in a studio and the guy who owned the studio was During the session in was his real techie dude, mike slater And um, and I walked in I said I've just discovered this thing And it's called source connect and he was on his laptop He leaned aside and I looked at his screen and he was looking at source connect And uh, he said i'm just looking at it now. I went wow, that's incredible. I only saw it yesterday. He said, well If you buy it, I'll buy it and then we can test it. I went, okay, let's do it So we did so we uh, we both bought it and we just started testing to see, you know If this thing was going to work and um, the first session I ever did on source connect Was with mike. Unfortunately the client I was doing the session with Didn't like the fact I wasn't in there and never booked me again Well, that went well. Thank you robert. I want to get to our questions We do have a few that have come in believe it or not from the guests and some of them Involved you guys specifically meaning robert andrew and robbo the first one is from richard green He's one of our team members of george the tech as well And he says I have a question for each of you guys What's on the wall in front of you? So in other words the thing that none of us can see we want to know what's on the other side of the camera So what is each of you besides the computer monitor? What's what's on the other side? Let's see. Can I dream could I join another stream yard link really quick? Yeah, you can try. Yeah here. Let me find your link here robbo mistakenly moved his camera and froze. Sorry robbo That's why i'm not touching mine. It'd be dead Here we go. Let me have a look see if i can do the same. Dan i'm doing this to make your life hell I'm not doing anything. I'm just no. Dan. I just soon hear it It's going crazy now allow mic and camera allow don't allow mic But no i've just the camera Yeah, can I do and you have to turn your speaker all the way down on your phone or it will start to echo back quick Okay, it's saying allow so much for getting any more calls today, but While they're doing that i'm gonna go to the next question real quick because I think it's something i can Oh, you can't see can you am I am I in? Oh, yeah, you are robertson roberts the first one in with the uh, okay, so iPhone view How do I get here is the cave? Which is here you go here. Oh you're in the cave. Okay. Yeah the cave I'm looking at myself. How do I switch the camera around? I don't know Flip the phone couldn't tell you Just turn it around All right, you can tell you the techie people are coming there. We go. Oh my god. Yeah now that's a studio Yeah, that's very right more gear Very tasty compressor Leave okay amic old mixer And then here i'll take my headphones off so you want I want to hear you for a second Hey robert you flies are undone Can you hear me robert nope I'm gonna turn on his mic so we can hear him. Yeah Oh, he can't he's on you at robert, you know, you know, you're not on mic, right? bathroom kitchen Nice studio that's a full-on studio there. Yeah, that's a full-on studio amplifiers Yes, and by the way, you don't need all that stuff to do voiceover in your closet. Yeah Um, just is mine gone through I can see I'm probably I don't yes. It has it has. Okay. Oh, yeah has to okay, so if I Oh, there it is. Um, so behind my computer, which you're seeing there is, um It's an outboard gear which I think everyone loves there's a la 16 grace design neve 1073 and 2254 a set of vu meters, which are completely and utterly redundant, but I actually like playing with silly shit like that Um, uh msp 10 yamahas, which are really good. Well, the right one is the left one's blown up woofer uh, genelik crappy speaker and Hang on right in accord Let me unplug another crab in another. What do we got there another genelik? That's the one that blew Unfortunately blew the woofer Then I have behind there. I'm gonna have to come off cans as well myself now Hang on a ticket Is that a gretch guitar? Yep Got to have that Is that is that is that a gretch guitar what you got there? It is a hagstrom's Hagstrom Yeah, there you go, but hopefully we get robo robo back. We we lost robo from it. Actually looks like you might be back Yeah, I think he uh, he's down at the bottom of my screen I leave do I press undead press leave. I will let press leave Yeah, we still got you. We still got you. Okay. All right moving on until we get robo. Maybe we can get him later Um, jeff. There you go, richard. No more than you thought right? more than we thought Says I haven't been able to sync my iphone to my macbook m1 for most of the year because i'm on the latest iphone But it won't sync with big sir. This is the apple The apple upgrade spiral. I call it. Um So it says I need to upgrade to monorail to sync is it monorail fully baked now to work with source connect isotope rx twisted wave Etc. Isn't there some part of source connect that doesn't work with? Yeah, the the the remote transport sync feature doesn't work That's never going to work because rewire isn't supported past whatever it is There's a behind the scene thing called rewire that is baked into your Software that we don't see. Yeah, it's a common protocol that other workstations use and we use it to synchronize two workstations So if you're reading to picture or doing that type of stuff, that's what Remote transport sync uses and it or that that that's remote transport sync uses the rewire protocol Gotcha. Um and the company that made rewire decided not to continue with it after like 15 years No one was relying on it. So we just cut it off. Yeah And and so the the other thing is that i'm not sure but at least early on the link plugin stopped working and also the Uh q manager stopped working some of that might have come back because it's a really strange thing Apple comes out with 12.0 Completely break source connect. It was a very bad two weeks Then because people just upgraded without you know thinking they just clicked on the button or listening to a session the next day And listening to me. Yeah freaking out So then um 12.1 12.2 12.3 all don't work and we ended up in that run between 12.0 and 12.3 making source connect 3.9.2 Which we were never supposed to make another 3.9 version, but We had to like basically like unearth it and um and then 12.4 comes out and source connect 3.9.1 starts working again with with with mac os monoray And we're like, oh, so you didn't do anything apple like They they did And it fixed itself By some miracle with 12.4. So there's a weird thing where if you're running mac 12.1 Oh one two or three, then you want to use source connect 3.9.2 Or your better bet is just to upgrade all the way to 12.4. I'm not sure exactly what is and is not working in 12.4 But I think that It's it's possible that most of it is working again except Remote transport sync but worst-case scenario the only thing that works is your audio connection and source stream But the auto restore doesn't replace and replace doesn't work and the RTS doesn't work. My advice would be Don't upgrade, but then I don't know what to tell you about your cell phone and that's Yeah I haven't synced to my iphone to a mac in a long time. I I don't think mine to a mac I don't either I do I cloud everything and I just I just it's I never have to sync it. It's yeah Except that I can't find my my notes sometimes like oh, I've got it because that's what always bugged me about There's all kinds of services that save your your um like You know all your photos your emails saved in the server like There really isn't anything to sync you all your online accounts keep all your data you get a new phone you just Log into all your accounts and right the the one thing is the photos If you don't have a good photos like third-party storage for your photos, but I do rely on the cloud a lot I realize some people don't like using the cloud and I get that they don't want the expense. They don't like the security privacy whatever Concerned so that could be an issue for some but you can also airdrop everything right from your phone to your laptop Absolutely, and that works right over versions of os so you can be on whatever the bleeding edge iPhone os is that they force you to use And you can be three versions back on mac os and you can airdrop to that You you can probably just plug your phone in on usb And it'll still still let you mount it and proves it like a photo drive like even if you're not syncing it to iTunes Maybe yeah, I don't know your iPhones. I mean every time I plug my phone in just to charge my computer's like do you trust this device? You're like sure I trust it and that's like here's your photos on your iPhone and you just see all your photos right away Maybe that's the part that's broken now could be yeah We got one question left here. Let's see if we can blow through this one From riley who's watching on youtube when recording it sounds to me. I'm speaking at normal level But playback sounds more like loud whispering advice Hmm sounds to me like I think he's talking on the wrong side of the mic Yeah Or possibly just in my head that I'm speaking louder since I'm in a in a small quiet space Yeah, maybe plus recently I've been recording more in the in the late night hours due to the people above me teaching elephants to break dance during the day Oh boy Yeah, I mean if you're if you're recording and you you seem to be speaking at a normal level, but it sounds like Well, you're that's then that's maybe what's going on or You're recording on the microphone on your laptop Yeah, I still don't know what playback sounds more like loud whispering. I don't really I can't interpret that Is it is it just a mic position thing? Is it like you're so close to the microphone, but you're not monitoring yourself So you're you're standing there not listening, you know, listen to yourself through the air and you're so close to the microphone that it's like Hearing what is being described as loud whispering Well, whatever That's a great A sample you could yeah Dan you could send over a cup to load that um audio into Absolutely. Yeah, I mean give it a listen and then we can define Yeah, you have to like you have to like taste it and swish it around a little bit I think of loud whisper This is a loud whisper. All right. Well, we're going to bring this chaos to a a to a to an end with a whimper instead of a bang is And we'd like to thank our guest on tech talk this week robber robertson andrew peters and robert marshall from The pro audio suite and we'll wrap it all up and then george and I can go on with the rest of our lives Right after this This is the Latin lover narrator from jane the virgin anthony mendez and you're enjoying dan and george on the voice of our buddy shaw Hey there. I'm david h laurence the 17th and with my company vio heroes and my team of coaches and my community of voice over talent We guide voice over actors along their journey and you may be watching v obs here And not nearly as far along as many of the other people who are watching you may not even have started yet And we actually specialize in helping you do just that so if you're watching all the stuff going on here on v obs I'm going I have no idea what they're talking about. 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