 Good evening. This is a meeting of the Fort River School Building Committee, and it's September 12th, 2018, and we're in the police station community room, and this meeting is being broadcast by Amherst Media. Or taped. Or taped. Yes. Yes. What was that? Taped for broadcast. Taped for broadcast. Yes. And so the first item on our agenda is a call to order, which I've done, and then we move on to approving meeting minutes, which I admittedly sent out very late to folks. I hope people have had a chance to look at them. I am here to approve the minutes of September 3, 2018. It didn't occur to me until I saw the pile of name tags, but did we spell Harrington right in the minutes? I think so. Okay. But I am perfectly willing to go back and check. Okay. I'll take it with me. I have a motion on the floor. Yes. Well, he was going to object to your motion. You're going to object to the motion? I think she has to amend the minutes. So I moved to approve the minutes. Well, I second the motion. And then for discussion is if Harrington is spelled with an A, we should change it to an E. Yes. All in favor of that motion? I did not vote because I wasn't on the last meeting. Moving on is the next thing up is public comments. Some member of the public? No, I'm just here to listen. Okay. Thank you. Next item is recording of our minutes, which we're doing ourselves at the moment. But we, the we here is Maria, Diane and I have looked at the candidates that were forward to us by Mike Morris last week. We have identified a top candidate and I need to reach out to that person. I do have the contact information now and offer them the opportunity to do a sample via this taping or if they want to come to the next one, depending on the timing of things. And then if they do well, we will have a new meeting minute person. So that's it up for the next meeting or so. The next item is reviewing progress with the consultant team. The consultant team is not here today, but they were in town yesterday and we met with Tim Sheehan and most of the special ed faculty from Fort River. And they, they, TSKP seemed very satisfied with the information they got. And so they didn't feel like they needed to come tonight to kind of hear any more from us. They felt like they were at point where they were ready to say they had enough information program and start some sketching. So for the next meeting, they will have some preliminary ideas for us to look at, which is rather exciting. Did they, did they feel, so in the last meeting when they were reporting out, they reported out that they considered the amount of space to vote at Fort River to special education programming to be grossly excessive. Did they feel less that way after the meeting yesterday? I don't think they indicated an opinion on that topic. They didn't indicate an opinion, but I strongly, I think we have to communicate with them. I would strongly suggest that before they start doing more sketching, they visit one more, because it's the same floor plan. They have five more classes. And so the, the space dedicated to special needs and all the other programs, it has to be reduced because you don't have the space to see how another school with the same floor plan can accommodate all these services. Because they're just, we're saying because there is the space everybody's expanded, so to see how things are done in other places. So I would strongly suggest that we ask them to meet with the, in the one with the, also Crocker Farm before starting to design so that they have another idea how things are going to be done. Right. So at the meeting were, it ain't Jonathan and I, in addition to Jesse and Richard from TSKVN. So it was more of, they were asked, it was done with the floor plan, with the currently who's in what room, it was clarifying who's there, what are your, what are you using it for. So I think they were trying to figure out what, what is necessary. It wasn't really about them offering opinions just to declare, you know, they were getting. You felt that, you felt like they, obviously they felt like they learned what they needed to learn. Yeah, I think they were, they were really trying to tease, one of the things they were trying to tease out was the difference between the district wide programs that are housed in Fort River and how those spaces that are dedicated to those programs are used. Versus the other spaces that are really more about the, the Fort, the typical, not going to say typical, but the, the standard Fort River population. To me that's perfect though, because that's the distinction they needed to get. Right. And then they can figure out whether it's the right amount of space or not, but I mean that's. Right, they basically, you know, we just picked off and went room by room and subject by subject and said, you know, what are you, what's happening currently to, to understand what. And I, so I don't mind offering them the opportunity to visit the other schools, but I think they were able to make that distinction. And I think they're going to, because they're going to have to really, because we've, we've been, you know, we have to accommodate those district wide programs, at least initially in what we're looking at. They're going to have to have, you know, the separate line items for the, the sort of in. Yeah, but if you look at one would, for example, one was also instead of three rooms for the special programs, they have two rooms for the special program. And actually they have four rooms in, for River, if you count they'll be big, big room, and one room has three rooms. So actually the amount of space that you get for the special programs is not that different. I think they were also trying to get an idea about the populations involved, because I think they're going to size, do a lot of the sizing based upon the, the population, not necessarily, oh, for River, we happen to have that extra space. So that was given over to, thus and so. And so I, I certainly I'll give them the opportunity to, but it, it, I think they'll, I think they'll make a presentation. What they're going to present to us isn't going to be final anyway. It's really for a first kind of reaction. It's going to come with that revised program. I think I'd also like to encourage them to get to us ahead of the meeting so that we can all think about these sort of questions before we're looking at it for the first time. Oh, sorry. Right. So, I mean, they, they expressed that they need to get more information. They also were looking for Crocker Farm because there's, there is a big difference in library space. We talked about that last time. And so they're going to need floor plans for that as well. So I think they are still gathering information. And so I agree that we're not, we're not giving them. The typical question yesterday was they were asking for the pie in the sky. What would be the best, the ideal thing that each teacher wanted? Did we get these materials electronically? We, they haven't sent them to us in their most recent form yet. It's on my list of things to ask them for. So I'd really like to take. We have the biggest version. Well, do we? Because I, when I was looking to do the minutes the other day or yesterday, I couldn't find the materials. The materials electronically. I thought I had uploaded because they sent us several things two weeks ago. And I thought that most of the things we had already uploaded. Okay. But we can check. I don't think we have those latest. Yeah. I could be wrong, but I also don't think we have. The one that, that this one, because it had been revised, right? So we don't, we don't have that from last week. So we'll need that. And he was making copious notes on it yesterday. He was partially asking for Kristian's point of fix. Yeah, I can see that I don't have that. And this is like. I see that one from here. No, I don't. Yeah. And that's like a couple drafts ago. Yeah. But I gave them the last week. So I brought some copies of the one. Great. But it's not as nice as that. Sorry. I'm just making it up for my entire brain. Were there other things that we went over yesterday that we want to share with the figure two? We did talk a little bit about the library. Yes. And what the librarian would hope to house in there. And the idea of adjacency with computer classroom. Definitely with again push back at the idea of shrinking the library. You know, I don't know if you guys come to the surprise setting of our theater. I think in the end what they decided that there's going to be a second meeting with the librarian. Yes. That has not been scheduled yet. In the past, Jesse has written up notes. So I would expect that he would send that to us as well. One other thing that I think we could talk about tonight is to review the schedule and the timing of public outreach sorts of meetings. Do you have anything else? Well, I kind of think of other things we might want to talk about that we learned yesterday. But I'm not remembering anything else. I'm not seeing anything else from my meeting minutes. I have a procedural question about when they meet with, you know, members of the school. Well, I don't know, schools and they produce meeting minutes. Who verifies the accuracy of those meeting minutes? I mean, they're distributed and usually there's the disclaimer, you know, please notify them two weeks if there's anything. Is that happening? I think so. Yeah, they have sent it. When they've sent it to us, I can't remember if they sent it to the full committee every time or if they sent it to the people that were the school building committee members that were there. But yeah, I've seen them. But honestly, I didn't look at the header to see if everybody got them. And I've given them back. Did I work that one each time? Yeah. They've been pretty good considering the wide-ranging topics that have gone over. So one thing that happened yesterday is that they brought blueprints from examples of rooms of special needs and reading that they have done for other schools to show to the teachers what it looked like, what they had done for the places. And the square footage. I think that was the important thing, but there were about 350 square feet. Yeah, did I have the size? Half the size of one. Right now some of those things are kind of taking place in the leftover space in the quads And they're also aware of the, I guess we were under the impression that it was building blocks that might split into possibly go in with different, and you'll know more about this than I will. But it might not be building blocks, it might be aims. I guess that's up in the air. Yeah. Is that correct? Do I have that right? Because the requirements for those rooms is different. Apes and building blocks, I think the one was the issue that was brought up was that the requirements for those rooms, for those programs are different. So one has a separate, means a separate room that can be locked and cannot. So that's important for their programming to know whether it's going to be two rooms, one room or not. Right, because currently building blocks is split up into two rooms. And not necessarily split up in an idealized way. Right. Because it fluctuates and they, but less and less. It's a much bigger program. The other thing is that we did ask them yesterday if they had the existing building evaluation from their consultants. Yes. And they don't. So that was the other reason that they're not, they don't have that to report. We want to talk a little bit about how to organize, schedule and just approach those public meetings and that. Back here and see if I can't find copy of my schedule. Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, I mean, this was at the last meeting, which I don't know if they sent to electronicals. They gave us an updated version of this to accommodate that second form. But they also gave us a kind of an every couple of week agenda goals, responsible party initiating. So those were. I think at last meeting we added an additional event to schedule. And what I don't have marked on my copy is when we had inserted that. So I'm hoping someone can refresh my memory so I can mark it better. I mean, in addition to the. There were two December one and. There's a third one. I thought we had inserted a third or at least they had a note that said included an additional public outreach meeting. So maybe my notes are wrong. So we had in one in early late November, the community engagement. So that was the first one after we have some. But I mean, so. Minor notes have meant that they added an additional community engagement to this schedule. That they should add it. Because I remember that discussion at the previous meeting. Okay. And I think that's part of what they did with this updated schedule was have added that. Okay. Because I think the idea was they didn't want to present until there wasn't something solid to present. I've seen it before. Yeah. We really just do have the two. And that the second one. Yeah. So I was just looking back at the notes and it says added a community engagement session. Okay. Like past minutes they did that. So right now it falls around Thanksgiving. So we're going to have to be done carefully whether we do it before the week of Thanksgiving or after the week of Thanksgiving. Actually I think they have it scheduled for after November 29. Okay. That's after. Yeah. So we should do that week. Yeah, that's a good, like the first week in December. It's really the only time you can do one. Yeah. You don't do it when you're dead after till January. I suggest that we kind of lock down a date sooner rather than later because there are three other big, you know, there's going to be a lot of community engagement around school issues. So I have a question and maybe it's horrible. I know that some people travel during the Thanksgiving. The schools are out on Wednesday. Yes. Would it be trying to have one on the Wednesday of Thanksgiving? Thanksgiving? Just before Thanksgiving. Because there's a lot of people that stay down. That's a week before this. Yes. And I don't think people will come. I don't think so. I don't think I would come. I don't think I would. Let's be honest. I was thinking the people that are in town, the kids are out of school. So is that side dish you've got to prepare? I don't know. True. Not really. I'm going to make sarcastic pictures. It's like it's an awful. It's a week that also has like monster amounts of stress in terms of all the things that have to be done. Okay. It was like, I'm not American, so I don't know. I'm great. I'm great. Other friends told me I don't come. Just to be clear, it's otherwise a wonderful holiday. But I don't usually cook the other time. I hope they cook. So yeah, we'll leave it for that week after. So that's the week of the 26th of November? Yes. And so one of my questions is we should begin, it's not that far away. When you really start thinking about it, if we want to really drum up good publicity for it and make sure we get as good attendance as you can possibly get from one of these events. And I think it's worth thinking about kind of the venue, the style. I mean, in some ways it'd be good to, we should do part of this with TSKP at the table because they'll want to talk about how they would like to present it. But we can certainly think about venue and other things around that. My opinion, venue, I think it should be in town. One of the community rooms in town because it's easy access. Because we want this not just to be for river community, it has to be town-wide community. There could be a second meeting with PGOs involved in maybe for river, they may even, I think we want it in... I could almost argue that there should be almost like a little road show ahead of this where people from this community are actually meeting with the PGOs and saying, by the way, we're having a community event, you know, the week after... Or after once we have all the materials from the SKP sent to show what they show. Well, yeah, you could do another round afterward too. But I think it would be not a bad idea to just, you know, it's time and effort to go around and visit the PGOs and get things posted. But I can imagine a whole series of ways to kind of get people engaged. Yeah, I mean, is there a way to... Once the presentations have happened or a main presentation, is there a way to exhibit the things and, you know, like at Town Hall or some place where they're out so people can just look at them. In the Jones. Yeah, in the Jones or some place. It seems like that would make sense if we could do that. If nothing else we wanted, I think have an extra copy of some form of that presentation. Oh, yeah. Not just, you know, posting digitally, but just having it. Yeah, I mean, I feel like having it posted someplace would be important. So, in my mind, the communities of interest that we've got to try to make sure we reach somehow are the community of large, which also includes, I don't know, parents and other people who are interested and may not be part of the Fort River community. Staff and teachers who might be interested in engaging and understanding what's going to come up with. And then the Fort River community more directly. And so I just, I wonder... I think it was, I don't think we should make a decision on it now. I think it's worth talking and thinking about what are the best ways of reaching those three audiences and getting feedback from them, which could include, if we have a day where they come in and they're doing a presentation in the evening, maybe we do something in the morning as well or see if there's something we can do with staff. Just my two cents on this. I think we want to make sure that we go essentially where the bodies are. And certainly when it comes to staff and teachers and stuff like that, my assumption is we're going to have to go at some point approximate to the school day to try to engage in that population. Like maybe before the start of the school day or something like that. Yeah, whatever makes sense from a scheduling position. I mean, if Diana or she... We could ask Diana. She could tell us immediately when it would be the right time. Yeah. So that's an action. I would ask her what would be a good time and way to engage the staff and teachers. Is there a way, because I was thinking the asset reaches a certain part of the population that is not involved in something that's not necessarily involved in the schools. Either we can help try to get the letter to the editor published a week before the meeting or if they are not assured that something gets published even put a small ad. I think we should try both approaches. You know, you try the letter to the editor but you just take out an ad and we should have enough money in our budget to do an ad or do that. I would suggest that maybe some of us could go and meet with the chief editor and say, could you please write an article? And so we're not relying on the editor to the editor. We don't have to buy an ad. Could you do this as public service? Help us out here and say, there's a meeting. Yeah, shock if there wouldn't. I mean, it certainly sounds newsworthy enough. Yeah. Don't do this at a volume. This is feeling kind of like a working group. Task. Yes, I agree. Do we have volunteers? I mean, I think we should let others who aren't here tonight also offer to volunteer for this task. I think it's going to be a multi-pronged, fair bit of effort kind of task. But yes, I think we should have a working group. Before the next two weeks in the past, do we want to check into some availability for some venues? I think if I can remember to do it, or someone can remember to do it, just check with the town tomorrow about the town rooms. That's the best spot and see if there are any logical open slots left in the calendar. It's going to be closed. Will it be closed for that time period? No. When was it that they were doing the refurbishing? I don't think we actually have dates right now. It's going to be October, November. I don't think we have specific dates. And it is going to become a council chamber. It's not going to be at the town room anymore. It's going to have a semi-permanent edge of council people. It won't be a multi-purpose space anymore. I mean, it'll still be open to use for meetings, but it's not going to be available for anymore. So they're doing built-ins? It's going to be, I'm told semi-permanent is what they were going for in the last time. Like, fixed, but they are like... That's not semi-permanent. That's old school. Everything's semi-permanent and the construction happens. Exactly. The sledman already is semi-permanent. I can look at what's current. I will find out what's going to be a special date. But if they really are planning to start in October, it sounds like a different venue, at least a backup, but more likely as the actual venue is what we need to think about. Yeah. Woodbury room. The one downstairs. That's a decent space. What about one of the auditoriums? That's close. We're trying to get something centrally located for these other people again, too. Although, the high school is not too bad on things to consider. Although, does it have decent? I don't know. It depends on what time of the day. Yeah. And their auditorium is... Yeah. You can do it in the library, which has the... The library. ...video. Yeah. It has decent PowerPoint capabilities. Or microphones. Usually, they're always together. It's not a bad spot. It's our day of the week. It's one of those things where we... No matter what day we pick, we're going to conflict with something. But the sooner we pick, the better you have the more chances to say, we were first. Right. That's true. Well, Maria, didn't you do some work and didn't Wednesday come up as the best day? For us. For us, yeah. But also, isn't it like when there's not school committee and not other... Well, they're Tuesdays. Yeah. But other than that, that was the only... That was the only meeting thing? All right. Yeah. Wednesdays are pretty good. I mean, I would think of midweek is probably going to be good. Weekend is not... You're going to lose... We're just not going to have people. No. And then Monday's people... Yeah. Yeah. Nobody wants to go on a Friday. I'd say Wednesday or Thursday that way. Yeah. I also, as far as then, you would like to know why Tina's keeping us to resent. Yeah. If it's too bad, if there's breakouts, I mean, not really important in that space that we get. The Woodbury room can do a little bit of that, depending on how big the crowd is. Right. But you're right. I think we need to check in with them and maybe do a little tour of a couple of spaces and see which one makes the best sense. Mm-hmm. Because if they want to make really breakouts, it then might be like a gene or something like that. I know for the last school project, the team came and did presentations at the other schools and it worked out in the cafeterias because they could do that kind of breakout spaces in the cafeterias. And there is kind of an advantage to that, having that option for the breakout kind of experience gets people more engaged, I think. Well, you have the cafeteria next to the... The library. The library and the high school, yeah. You do that. Okay. But it's probably worth checking with them before they nail down a space. Right, they may actually have some program going on that week. You can't imagine. If we had to go to the next week without the OK, it's during Hanukkah. I think we should try to shoot for that. The 28th. That 28th week. Right. Because, as Eric said, it's a slippery slope. It'll be January. The 28th is the last year, right? Yes. Yeah, it's my birthday. Well, that makes it the perfect day. You know, it's funny, last year, I think the last two years I've had meetings on my birthday and I'm like, really? Really? Yeah, no, it's in your birthday to the whole community. They have to figure out which Wednesday we're talking about. All depends on what they want to do. Take mail, don't bother its presence. There you go. Well, does anyone want to volunteer tonight to be on this working group? I'm taking names. Well, isn't there already a communication or a community engagement? Yeah. But this needs more people. Yes. Yeah, I'm almost thinking it might be worth breaking the tasks up. Because there really is a piece that's very closely aligned with the already existing working group on kind of communication. And there's another that's really practical about setting out locations and finding out things. I mean, what are we meeting with the consultants again? Two weeks from today. Why don't we put it on the agenda then, and then discuss it with them, go through it, and then create the set of tasks. That'll be the item on the agenda, is creation of working group. Can I suggest that we already suggest tasks is going to be on the 28th? What's the 28th? And send it out to the other members of... Yes, we can... And to the SKP to see whether they can make it on the 28th. So we can start advertising in some way. It's going to be November 28th to be determined location. But at least we have... Not to throw a wrench into it, but according to their schedule, the community engagement is actually... November 29th through December 26th. So I hope that they can... That we'll be far enough along to... But that also means we might want to be open to the following Wednesday as well, based on what they're... But I also think that it's more like a collection period for feedback. So that it's not like they get all of their feedback at one point. That is true. From their perspective, this is not a unitary thing. Right. It could be a series of events. It could be a series of events. Or once the information is posted on the website, there's more opportunity for people to review it on their own time and send in comments. Okay. So that that whole month-long period is really more like collecting information. So it's better if we have the big event as soon as possible than then we have the big one. Good. People need to know. Yeah. Okay. So that will be a important discussion next time. Can I just add something else to more public outreach? There are other committees in town that are doing work, as we know that really it's very tied into what we're doing. So that's the regionalization planning board for the Amherst and Pelham. That's the dual-language immersion, which I know the school committee is planning on doing some outreach. I'm missing one. Oh, the middle school, high school, sixth grade. I mean, there's a lot of things. I don't know. I have things happening on that right now at all, but it's obviously a topic that's in the air. Yeah. And I think that we know about it, because it's affecting us. But I worry that the community at large isn't aware of all these different pieces of the puzzle that are going on. And I'm wondering if the school committee or the superintendent is planning on maybe having a, earlier rather than later, a, by the way, these are the five balls that are up in the air right now, kind of to talk about all of them. Because I know, like I said, each of these groups is planning outreach, but they're interrelated to a larger area. Yes. And I think that's advisable. Have one day or one per committee to present? Well, yeah. But I mean, I also, I mean, I think the point is partially to have a conversation or a presentation or a discussion about all of them, you know, holistically, right, exactly. Because, I mean, that's part of the point is how they impact one another. The trouble with them is they're all in different timescales. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that's probably important for the people to understand too. And I don't know if a public forum is the best way to do this because it's, you know, who's going to be able to show up to the forum. Maybe this is a letter that should go out to the community or a, you know, a column. Sort of an update or a column. By the superintendent or something. Yeah. I mean, I think all three of those things should probably happen. Yeah. Because I, you know, there's going to almost have to be a preamble at the beginning of the event we're going to have that kind of comes up. We're going to have that kind of touches on, we're not going to get into them because we won't know about them. But, you know, they kind of, they affect our work in different ways, potentially. Yeah, although it is, it's likely that by the time we get to the end of November, we will know about at least the kickoff of the dual language. That's true. Yeah. It's cool. Yeah. Right. That's what I'm thinking like sooner rather than later to kind of help you. Yeah. Overview. While you were having your summer, this is what's been going on. Exactly. But also I think it's important to build another thing and engage because it's, there isn't, I mean, people may actually at some point wish there were sort of like some sort of hidden master plan that relates all these things where the decisions are tied together and we know where we're going. The sad truth is they really are on different tracks. We really are gathering information on these different tracks and we genuinely don't know what's going to happen. Right. That either is comforting or not comforting. Yes. Take your bag. But it's a reason to be able to engage. Yes. Let's talk about it and it's reached to the public to engage because it means they can have an influence over other sites. So we've talked a little bit about the sort of first community engagement and then we've got a second one after the options have been refined and this one's in January. Once we're clear of holiday schedule which also gives TSK pizza to actually do the refinement and meet with us and make that product better slash different. One of my questions is is this a different style event or is it really kind of a repeat of the first event? Are we looking for the same kind of feedback from folks or are we looking more to say this is where we got? I don't know. I think I looked that there's less time associated so I'm thinking they are thinking that it's different. I think at this point they have so far advanced that everybody is starting to say no we want actually... 12 classrooms, right? I think at that point we cannot go back and start from scratch. So I think what they want is a refinement on what it's there but I think it's the fine tuning I would say one is the course tuning and the other one is the fine tuning process of the process. Again, that's something for TSKP to kind of comment on and how to organize those events. Yeah, I hope you're really curious to hear what they've done in other communities with their community because I'm sure they've had to do this. Part of their bread and butter activity. I think that's why we chose them too. I guess when we were talking to them that we were going to talk to you about next meeting which is being clear we wanted to go over both their overall approach and then both meetings. Can you give them a heads up before they come so they have some ideas so that we don't ask them oh by the way can you do this on the fly? Yes. So we can give them a heads up that we would like to talk about this in the next meeting. Thanks for tonight on engagement. As I think we probably said before we were officially online Jim is not attending tonight so I don't have a formal update on the status of survey and geotext solicitation tonight I assume that you haven't heard anymore through the grapevine either so Adam we'll have to just wait. What do you think? Is there any way to know we don't know timing but is this going to stall out Let's look at their calendar. I don't think so. I mean at some point they're going to need a survey information to confirm that where they might suggest an addition or a new building can actually accommodate. I mean the survey has happened. I don't know where they are. We're just waiting for the data might be sitting in Jim's inbox for all we know. I don't know where they are but I know they have been there. They have to have been out there. Similarly for the boardings although we're going to explore the preliminary options with them over the next couple meetings and my gut says that a little bit of delay is not going to put a wrench in the works but it would be good to get those going as quick as we can. You can do it with a net of winter but it's good to get them going as early as we can. I just want to know how long do they take? Like once you send out the contracts and you get something. I've forgotten exactly how many that we had said we were going to do but it's the actual infield time is not more than probably a day day and a half tops and then it's just a matter of the engineer who's trying to do it writing the report which again it's probably no more than a day's task but it'll probably take a week so as soon as we secure someone to do it it should proceed clearly. Because according to the their schedule they have four weeks from now for the preliminary instructions. So most likely they'll have to have that before the end of that time. Yeah but not much before. I also have a question regarding the schedule. So existing condition evaluation was meant to be complete by the end of August in the middle of September and we don't have the report yet. So are we looking at at least two weeks slip on their own schedule? I think so. That's what it appears. I personally haven't pressed them yet on that. But we I think we need it fairly soon. I think we really should have it by this next meeting because if we're going to talk about options we should know what their consultants think of the building and if there's some impediments that they have noted they need that information and we would like to know that information. So that's another item I will poke them on that topic. And again if they can get would we like to have the reports before the meeting? They're available, yeah. You can read it because it's likely to be a multi-page thing that's going to take a little time to digest. Sorry. So just looking at the schedule we had already also talked about road trips to go look at one of the things that came up is looking at a smaller library to see okay, you know, is that scary or does it actually work? There's also within driving distance, albeit a couple of hours, there is a school that TSKP didn't do, but it was a conversion of an open classroom design. I'm wondering while they're busy sketching, is that something that committee members do we want to do that so we can lay eyes on some different things. When they come to us with different drawings we have some thoughts about that. Is that... Of course I have interest in that. Is that of interest and is it... If it's schools that they haven't done and I don't object to going to see schools they haven't done, we are ourselves going to have to do a little legwork to find those administrators and figure out how to go and visit. They were going to look at they were supposed to get back to us That makes sense. We've got a number of them. It might also be a good idea to look at those 350 square foot rooms as well to 700. If there is interest I'm willing to do some legwork to do that. I wonder if through the head performance school program there are some award-winning schools that we should choose to look at instead of nearby schools and why were those chosen as good exemplary spaces of learning? Yeah. I know the... I know the MSPA also has their models schools. It's just a little circular, right? Here's our presents and here's our best schools and here's how you should do it. I'm not entirely sure. I guess it never hurts to at least find out a little bit more about what made them that way. We can choose to decide what we agree with them. Yeah, I think I look at some of those. I think it was related to the design that they like and of course related to size. So I think many of those had a blueprint that it could be adapted to many terrains non-size-specific. So they say which is very new. So that if you have a... it's not that you need a model home. Yeah. Play-out play kit for schools. Yes. It would be good to have a look at that type of work and understand why. Maybe we can come back. Maybe even just compile some links to share. You can just look at photographs on the website and understand of an understanding of the spatial reasoning behind them and then we can decide if there's any that we really need to see in person. Yeah, didn't TSKP say last week that they were going to bring us some plans of schools that they had. They are and I expect they'll do that but I think they did have some at yesterday's meeting that they shared with teachers. But they were just little pieces. There were the rooms and the main difference between a special class and a reading class was one had a sink and the other one didn't have a sink. It was the same size. One had a counter with a sink. That was as far as I could see and the other one didn't have a sink. So it wasn't like they had split up spaces? For you. They had labeled it different for that school and one had a sink extra sink and the other one didn't. I think what Allison is talking about is the conversion of the open class. I think they're talking about a different size. No, the conversion of the open classroom they didn't show so they have one school. They did one one. That's another thing we have to poke them to get it. I think it was an initial visiting Taiwan that I think it didn't produce a blueprint. It needs to give us a starting point. Yeah, it'd be nice to see it and then see like someone said if there's a there that we'd want to go further. Because it's a big time commitment. It is. We don't want to go see a it's a whole home space that's not going to tell us or inform us. Yeah, right. Yeah. Okay. We've got that. We have nothing new to report there. So they've gotten the letter. I have been absorbed in doing this. My fault it's ready to go but I need a quiet moment to actually get to them. Which is why we need a meeting in a minute taker so I can clean myself up for some thought processes. In voices we don't have anything to review and so I think we're basically at the end of our formal agenda for tonight. Unless there's any thoughts or questions. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome to adjourn. In favor.