 Dudes and dudettes welcome back to the anxious truth. This is episode number 166 I had to go back and look at my screen because I wasn't exactly sure what podcast episode this was Not keeping good enough track. Anyway, welcome back to the show podcast episode number 166 glad you're here I appreciate your time and attention as always today We are going to do something different, but I say that sometimes and then it's not all that different But today really is different. We have a guest on the podcast today my friend Laura cheetah Laura plank cheetah And for the first time in the seven-year like HEPA's history of this podcast This is not specifically a discussion about anxiety or anxiety recovery Yes, you heard me right an anxiety podcast that is not talking specifically about anxiety or an anxiety recovery But it is definitely related and applicable to the recovery process Laura is a has a very interesting story. She's a really great human being she's got a lot to offer and she is going to tell us a story about Really being knocked on her rear end by life Maybe not specifically about anxiety by anxiety, but other issues relationship issues and things of that nature and the path She has taken since then to pick herself back up dust herself back off and get back to a life That she is proud to live and happy to live right now. So sometimes we have to take our Motivation wherever we can get it and our inspiration wherever we can get it And sometimes it's good to put down the anxiety suffer a little bit and when I was introduced to Laura by a mutual friend And I heard her story. I said, ooh this this would be good person for me to talk to on the air So here we are. I think you're gonna enjoy Laura's story. She's interesting. She's friendly. She's accessible. She's bubbly She's very positive and she lived through some really dark things and the way she came out of it And the way she is kind of sharing that experience with others to me is just a lot of what the world needs and I appreciate her So you will hear Laura talk about you know going through some really dark times You will hear Laura talk about having to pick herself up when she did not want to pick herself up and more than anything else You'll hear Laura talk about the way she incorporated Trying new things taking risks being playful and willing to like kind of go out on a limb into her What would for be for us a recovery story for her her getting her life back story It's a good thing because there's direct parallels there like trying things that you don't really want to try You're afraid it's not gonna work. You're afraid how it's gonna feel when you do it There you go. Like what she's talking our language just in a slightly different topic So without further ado, I will get on to the interview guys are gonna dig Laura Hopefully like I did and at the end I will come back and give you all her links and everything like I usually do Hope you guys enjoy it. I will see you at the end All right peeps here. She is the one the only Laura cheetah Laura what up? The one the only I like that intro so glad to be here Drew. I'm gonna build you up Yeah, I'm gonna hike this up So as I mentioned in the intro Laura is a bit of a departure from what you're used to hearing on the podcast, right? Because I and we'll get into this as we interview a little more But what we're gonna really talk about today is that story of going from absolutely shattered To back in the saddle and like actually doing life and clearly doing it. Well, at least that's what I think so Laura came to me through a mutual acquaintance Mia Voss and Mia has nothing but great things to say about Laura and your story is so compelling to me that I think it could be very Inspirational so tell the people tell the peeps the audience here a little bit about yourself Alrighty, I was a former corporate attorney and I really felt like I had everything together You know as a perfectionist I did everything possible to have the perfect career The perfect family. I married the perfect man. I was the perfect I really struggled hard to do that To the point that I was definitely sacrificing myself and then 23 years in To what I thought was this great life that I had built. I Find out that my husband has cheated on me for 15 of those years with five different women and The the level The the way I was shattered. I was gutted because it was everything. It was my life I had all of my memories. Are they real? Are they not real the way he acted the way we talked to me What what's real and what's not real it? Literally knocked me so far off my axis my body confidence my ability to be a wife a Mom a lover a house cleaner. I mean like literally anything that I have ever done. Yeah, I thought yeah I Didn't my future was gone. My past was gone myself confidence was gone my you know body shame I mean you name it it brought everything up in Literally a matter of moments. Yeah, I can imagine that is like you cannot get a clear example of His the last 23 years actually been real who am I what am I what is this? Like you have the foundations just ripped right out from under you Yeah, yeah, and I think it's probably important to recognize in a situation like this that it has nothing to do with the fact that your Life was built on him But you know it is built on assumptions about a relationship and intimacy and trust and the things that you have built together And that boom that gets ripped out from under you Yes, and I love that you said that because when I found out my youngest was about to go away to college And when I said earlier, you know, I'm sacrificing myself. I'm not doing that like in a martyr mode like oh I'm just such a hard worker. I thought I was sacrificing for us for the relationship So my for my family I'm doing the right thing and yay now our youngest is going away Now we can go into our life now. I can get my career back I thought we were a partnership. Yeah. Yeah, and as it turns out not so much that is incredible I mean, I don't know how many years that has been enough But holy cow, I can only say I'm sorry because that's insane like 15 or 23 years. Yeah So, you know, and I think people I know there are people listening that can relate to this exactly as it is Even though that's not necessarily what I'm usually addressing But so now you find yourself completely in a situation where did you feel helpless like now? Can I even take care of myself? What could even get out of bed? Yes I was literally on the on the floor crying and to make matters worse one of my coping skills is movement is dance Yeah, when I was finding out during disclosure, we got into a little altercation with his phone and my toe broke So in the middle of all of that I have a broken toe and I can't go outside and walk I can't dance or work out or move and I literally just laid there and cried because I couldn't get my head wrapped around Anything yeah, yeah, I bet let's let's address that the injury for second here because we need to keep it in context I don't want anybody listening to do. Oh boo-hoo. She had a broken toe like I can't even get in the bed because I'm agoraphobic What we're looking for here is parallels. I mean, these were challenges I want to talk about how Laura met these challenges and we never compare one person's challenge to another. We know that so Thank you for that and no the fact that I couldn't walk doesn't really matter and it's not that big of a deal Well, it mattered what it does as my coping skill My coping skill was movement my coping skill was getting out of nature and when your go-to coping mechanism is taken away Yeah, holy cow. All right really universe. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate that because I don't have enough piled on me right now Right. Yeah, you know and again there are parallels because for a lot of people who are dealing with the anxiety disorders I'm addressing all the time they find themselves in these strained relationships be they romantic relationships or family relationships or friendships and Those people in their lives become their coping Foundation in a way when I don't feel well. I go to my husband. I go to my girlfriend I go to my partner. I go to my best friend when those relationships either disappear or get weakened They're coping skin the mechanism is taken away. So now now you're literally hanging out there. You're flapping in the wind So what happens? Yeah, that's a good question. What happens? Yeah, um, it was I had interesting Self-talk moving between my head like what should I be doing? Okay? Well, this coping mechanism has taken away What can I do? You know, you're Horrible, you're the worst human in the world. You deserve this. No, you don't deserve this at all This is not you. This is him. These are his choices. These aren't you and I would bounce back and forth Yeah, and I felt crazy. I felt totally Helpless crazy and overwhelmed because it's everything. Okay. Can I get a new job and start? You know taking care of myself. Sure. Can I find a new place to live? Sure. Can I have a divorce? Sure. Can I figure this out? Sure all at once? No Yeah, that's a tough one and I think that whole You know, there's so much going on here that whole situation, right exactly where now you have to can I do these things? Can I yes, I can yes. Yes, you can do all those things but in the end the fact that you don't have anybody to rely on anymore you have no backup and Everything that you thought you knew you can't rely on anymore. So when you say I feel like I'm crazy I think that's the thing that a lot of people listening going to resonate with Especially if they're coming from a traumatic or abusive background where they were Almost taught over a long period of time. See, here's the interesting thing for a lot of my listeners They were taught over a long period of time that they're crazy that they can't trust themselves that you know They're gaslighted. They're they're you know kind of manipulated emotionally and mentally you had it happen Clearly it was going on. You just didn't know it was boom the switch got flipped Instantaneously now you don't even know if you can trust your own thoughts your own judgment your own anything Nope, so how do you move forward when you're not even sure that you can trust what you know? Like I had it I got fooled so easily how the hell can I make good decisions here? That had to be part of it Yeah, oh that was a huge part of that because if I can't trust myself How can I trust myself to go forward? How can I pick a good therapist? How can I know which friends are true? How how how how how how yeah? One of the best pieces of advice that I got is that you don't have to do this right now You do not have to make a decision whether you're going to stay married whether you're gonna get divorced whether you're gonna do couple Therapy individuals you don't have to decide anything. Yeah, and that Was kind of a turning point for me because you know as I mentioned earlier I'm like this go getter and this perfectionist. I'm gonna take care of things and for somebody to say uh-uh Yeah, you can muck around and you can sob and you can process and you can rage For as long as you need to Was that was that hard for you to actually buy into? Perfectionism is a very common theme in the stuff that I talk about Was it hard for you to abandon that because it's super hard for perfectionist first of all to accept that as not a good thing Because at some point you get confronted with the idea that oh, I thought that that was a badge of honor But actually it's kind of killing me a little bit now Right, so how hard was it for you to accept that okay? I cannot solve this problem in its entirety instantaneously It's gonna happen in little tiny steps over a long period of time and right now if the best I could do is rock in the corner And cry for 10 minutes. That's what I'm gonna have to do before I make lunch Yeah, absolutely hard to deal with that was very hard. Yeah Yeah, so the disc we're kind of discomfort that's that bring about now now You cannot be the person corporate attorney, you know now in a completely different situation right a lot of discomfort and a lot of I Knew that I needed to dig into myself. I knew not that I took blame for it. I did earlier on But not that I wanted to take the blame for it, but I also was curious about what my role in it was What Unmet needs did I have? What what in me that allowed that and There was again that balance that it's not a blame But what what why could I not trust my voice? Why could I not see that? Why could I not know and there was a curiosity piece? That did actually keep me moving forward to and again It's that it's that fuzzy line because it's not that I'm blaming myself But it's like clearly there's some things about myself that I don't know That's this is fascinating. We could probably spend an hour just on this little sliver of thing that you just said right here the propensity to When you see that because now you're forced like a big light is showing on you and it's like okay Well clearly I was doing some things you aren't doing anything his what he did was completely his responsibility and not yours Yes, but you're willingness to understand. Well, I you know, what does this tell me about me? What can I learn about me often turns into just self-ladulation like I'm the worst I'm a failure. I did clearly this was my fault. He couldn't love me blah blah blah whatever it happens to be That is such a razor's edge to stand on though of the self-awareness that well, I might have things to work on now That doesn't involve just continually going back to I'm the worst. I'm a failure. I'm the worst. I'm a failure like The curiosity part to me Razor's edge, I mean Oh my gosh, no, no, no, no, I would tank and I would climb back up and I'd be like But what about and then I would tank and then I'd climb back up and I'd figure something out Let's talk about the climbing back up part because for people listening who now They're doing the hard work of trying to recover from these disorders and it is hard work Is they're intentionally doing really scary stuff every day, right? So everybody stumbles it is so hard for some to you know You stumble and you wind up back in the whole little bit figuratively speaking You got to claw yourself back up How did you do that on the days after you stumbled and maybe you went into pity mode or beating yourself up mode? What was the key to turning that back around? the key for me was What kind of a person do do I know myself to be and what kind of a person do I want to end up because I Knew some bitter old people You know, I knew Really bitter grouchy Awful people who were just me and so filled with resentment and he did this to me and and I kept thinking I don't want that doesn't feel good Yeah, and my goal is to make myself feel better and doesn't feel good to hate on him and hate those women and No Or yourself Yeah, that's what turning my life over to this and I am not Going to turn my life any over anymore I gave 23 years and it's my life and it's my choice now And I don't really care and it was that fury sometimes and that anger and that determination That would literally help me climb back up because I was not gonna give them the satisfaction Well, I'd like you guys listening to really take it a couple seconds here And wherever you hear a reference to Laura's ex-husband I want you to put your anxiety disorder in because you are you are telling a parallel story clearly different circumstances But I am not going to give my life to this thing in your case Yeah, I failed marriage that was based on infidelity and lies In their case this this anxiety disorder that has been plaguing them for so long I am not going to give the rest of my life to this thing Fuel in the tank. Yes. Did it did it light a fire when you needed to fire. Yeah, huge fire. Yeah So let's talk a little bit you have such an interesting story in terms of the things that you have done like Honestly, what made me I don't remember. I think it was you reached out to me Mia connected us and like hey, I'm an attorney turned burlesque dance on I'm like How can I not talk to this woman who else has this story? So how does that all fit into this? What did you build? I mean, is that something you were always doing? I Started burlesque dancing when I was about 44 disclosure of the infidelity was after that about 10 years after now I always dance growing up when I said movement and walking was a coping mechanism. I crave movement I love physical movement. I dance growing up. I've always worked out and taught fitness I just love moving. Yeah, I'm a mover. You know, so when I was Doing the mom thing and taking care of my family and sacrificing myself and being perfect. Yay, rah, rah, rah, rah I really let my own needs go. I Absolutely put myself on the back burner and I didn't do anything Burlesque was a way that I reclaimed myself all of a sudden. I'm like forget it I love to dance. I deserve to spend money on dance classes I deserve to take time away and I want to perform again So I found burlesque and I loved it because it's it's a parody. It's humorous it's ironic and There is some Stripping it's never ever ever ever ever nudity. Yeah But it's the stripping away of the layers to show something that's underneath and I was like, oh my gosh Amen to that. I mean, that's what I love strip away those masks strip away the costumes Yeah, what's the armor that you're wearing strip down and show it? So I'm doing burlesque and I'm loving it and you know my husband's loving it And this is this great hobby and it was an interesting thing too because then when I find out about the burlesque or the infidelity Then there's this judgment on burlesque that all of a sudden I think people are gonna blame me People are gonna think she is this crazy stripper woman Yeah, and of course he left because she's probably doing it too because that's so counterculture weird and then that was like these other layers of shame and It was like Wait a minute the infidelity happened before I started there isn't a relation But how do you untangle all of that? Oh boy? Yeah, that's so good because so many times things do get tangled up It is possible to have more than one problem at the same time They might coexist, but they are not related and it you had you had that Right. Yes, you had that so that whole thing so now you're dancing for ten years before things the wheels fall off on you But you're also coming from like, you know the life of the corporate life, you know You clearly went to law school. You earned your stripes. You were doing that whole thing. How did that fit in? I you know, I was so curious did it did people know did you have to kind of like I'm gonna put myself out there and own this you seem like the type of person that would pretty much Throw a middle finger to the world if they don't like it, but maybe you weren't always I don't know You know, yes and no there are some people I'm willing to throw the middle finger finger to yeah, but I don't want to lose my job I don't want to hurt my kids. I don't want to completely Cause my family to become unhinged So I was I was cautious with this I would I was tentative with it And I really had to kind of explore some of the patriarchy Stereotypes why can't a woman be smart? and sexy yeah, why can't she be spiritual and sexy and The more Everything is burlesque life is burlesque and that's the whole ironic part about it I can be a Brilliant corporate attorney and I can strip down and be really sexy and I can get on my knees and be very spiritual And I can be a good mom Why can't I right right all of those things? Yeah, if you don't think I can be it's your Problem not mine. Yeah, sure that makes perfect sense I like the confidence story here although clearly you had to have some confidence going into this naturally I mean you're not gonna get where you are without it, but it sounds like a whole other There's a whole nother layer, you know of the whole nother. It's a whole nother layer of confidence That's probably more deeply rooted than just the typical like yes overachieving career woman mom with everything There's confidence there, but this sounds deeper there there's Yes, there's confidence there There's also a lot of passion there That I can be who I am and you cannot tell me who and how I can be yeah Yeah, okay, well on the mirror side of that though. There is a deep deep deep desire to please There is a deep deep deep desire I knew you're gonna go there You know yeah, yeah, not be wrong to please okay, okay. Yes. I don't want to feel that Yeah, nobody does, but I'm I'm an only child and as an only child you please people Yeah, so does that lead to because perfectionism and people pleasing these are all for the My audience has heard this stuff over and over these are gad drivers generalized anxiety disorder drivers in a big way and they underlie a lot of these disorders, right so Part of the part and parcel of that is being able to let go of some of these things Maybe I'm not a perfectionist. Maybe I'm not gonna please everybody all the time Which is really hard because it's a bit of a threat to your identity Did you did you have to work through that like what if I'm not the perfect person? Yes, yes, and I worked through a lot of it. It sounds funny But on stage in burlesque stripping out of that perfection literally and physically. Yeah Yeah, look at look at what this course it does to my body Guess what? I've had two babies and I've nursed for two years. My body's not that way again. Want to see it? Yeah, yeah, right jokes on everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a tremendous look that sounds terrifying Just like yeah terrifying and liberating at the same time And I think so much of the the journey that people listening are going through is that these are terrifying things These are different things. These are things you prefer probably not to do if you didn't have to But there's also liberation on the other side of those things Yes, and what I have found Every single time I lean into something that I'm terrified of the fear of that thing is greater Than the experience of actually doing that thing. Yeah, the fear is greater than the experience. Yes. Yeah in the beginning Yes, yeah, and if you can just kind of if you listen, that's the secret sauce as always if you could just kind of go through The fear. Yeah, as if it's easy. It's not the reward at the end is so much greater Like you did you ever look back and say wow that was all the stuff you've been through like that was I felt impossible But maybe it wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be Right and this was an experience too and again this came from dance and the lessons that I learned, you know On the burlesque stage translates so well to life Okay, is it terrifying enough getting up on stage at 44? You know having a mom body and dancing again, you're not totally naked, but you're showing your belly Who wants to do that? You know nobody? Yeah, nobody nobody does so you do it and then you get this response from people Thank you for doing that. Oh, you have shown me I can be free I would get women coming up to me after performances all the time saying I can be beautiful now Oh, you and you're like, oh Oh Unintended side effect right there, right? Yeah. Yeah, and then it bolsters you. Oh, oh Oh, and then you just you do start putting yourself out there more and have I failed. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah One of the coolest things and we'll kind of start to get toward you know Where you are now what you're doing and this is where that the plot twist will come in because I know people listening Don't know who you are and they have not probably have not seen you and they're when they find out what you do They're gonna be like how did she sneak on because But you'll notice look at the parallels here And here's the part that I kind of dig what I see you at least what I know of you And I can only tell what I know of you on social media. You're so willing to be silly You're so willing to let your guard down and you seem so and you seem so willing to have different Experiences and try different things but more than anything else you you hold yourself But you hold yourself out there as an example for other people other what you seem to be speaking to other women Which is fine if that's your focus another one with that You can be silly too. It's okay to let your guard down. It's okay to let it all hang out It's okay to try different things that is what I dig and the way you seem to be delivering that message Looks so different Than the 10,000 other people who are doing what you're doing. So I want to give you credit for that for that Thank you for that. Yes. That means a lot. So how did you turn this into what you are doing these days? And I like to term life choreographer Hang in there folks. Don't get the pitchforks and torches. Let's just listen to Laura here So much is born from your own pain, you know from your own identity because as I'm going through this experience I'm needing so much. I'm needing some therapy. I may be needing some coaching. I'm needing some books I'm needing some spiritual stuff, but I'm needing some movement too because that's who I am and I just kind of Backstepped into it. I needed this holistic type of thing that wasn't out there Yeah, you know and and I like how you say things silly because that's what a lot of it is for me Is trying some things out, you know, it's not like you're typical coaching relationship It's not like I'm just gonna teach you a dance step and it will all be great Yeah, it's let's get really messy and let's strip down. I mean, that's my big thing. It's stripping down Let's strip down. What are you afraid of? What is the mask that you're wearing? What's underneath that mask? You don't know. I didn't know either. Yeah until it was ripped away from me. I didn't know who I was and Let's play. Yeah. Yeah, let's play. That's what I really like You do seem to make it very playful and safe in a way It's like, hey, let's let's try some crazy stuff here in a safe environment and Trying crazy stuff is a great way to maybe break some of those old Barriers and bonds of like I'm not capable. I need to be under wraps. I don't want people to see me I have to make sure I'm taking care of everybody else except for me How did you because this is so strange in a way you go from like I'm living for everybody else To living for yourself to a certain extent now clearly still concerned about your family and your and your kids and stuff But a lot of people struggle with that. Did you struggle with that? Like am I being selfish? This is selfish, isn't it? I'm not supposed I'm not entitled to this. Yes. Yeah. Heck. Yes, and the way other people say things like to oh What are your kids gonna think? Well, wait, you're spending evenings away from your kids. What are they gonna do for dinner? Yeah, yeah, there is very little support in our society for taking care of ourselves. I've seen your pictures of your kids They ate Congratulations, Laura's kid. They survived so it worked out This is great. So what are you doing with yourself now? So what is what is a life choreographer and what are you up to? Yeah, oh, thank you. I work with people who've been betrayed and betrayal is a huge thing whether it's betrayed by your body in terms of like menopause or a disease where you're relying on something and all of a sudden whoop the rugs ripped out from under you So it's betrayed by life your body or by somebody you love and what I really help people do is flourish What does flourish mean to you? It might it means something so different for me than from you from for anybody else Yeah, but it's getting clear on what kind of a life. Do you want to live? How do you want to be? How do you want to show up? Do you want like I want to be playful and fun and flirty flirty is my energy. Yeah How do you want to be? Most people don't know how they want to be most people are fighting, you know like that an anxiety disorder fighting with the Spouse fighting with kids fighting with the job and they all know all of the stuff that they don't want Yeah, well, what do they want and that's what a life choreographer does What do you want? Let's play. Let's experiment. Is it dancing? Nope. Is it soccer? Nope. Is it our nope? Let's play. Is it guitars right? Who knows? Let's figure it out Yeah, and I think I love the idea that you have actually put because there's about a zillion places out there. Oh Those are your wind chimes No, oh That's my alarm. Duh nevermind So anyway, I let you know, well I help look that we hear that every day I help women flourish. I help people 10x and flourish But I like the idea that you are literally holding up a model of action Activity that says it doing because we talk all the time in the podcast, but this is a doing solution And you know, so maybe yours is focused on movement and dance and that sort of experimentation But it doesn't necessarily mean you're going to wind up being a burlesque dancer or even a yoga guru But it's a way to just break out of the routine and the ordinary and start to at least experience different things And and questioning yourself and challenging yourself and allowing new experiences to come in and I think that leads to flourishing in the end Yes, it does Just this weekend I was working with a woman and we did this little dance move where you just crash your legs and put your hands on your knees And I was like, well, what came up with you your your face shifted and she's like My hand on my knee just brought in all these sensations and oh my gosh And and it kind of felt good and then should it feel good and is that and like that? Yeah, let's see what comes up Who knows like and having the bravery to just experience different things different feedback different sensory different kinetic experiences And the reactions that you have yourself and other people have to those things There's a tremendous that's that's flexing your bravery muscle right there Yeah, it is and then I asked her to take her arms up and be like ooh, and she's like I'm not going to do that Yeah, he's like it makes me mad that you ask that Okay Then let's let's talk about that. Is that an expression thing? We know is it fewer around there? I mean again, it's it's digging deep. What is the pain point? Where do you want to be able to do this? Do you not want to be able to do it? Where do you want to be? How do you want to live your life? But nothing else It was the experience of of you asking that person to do that and then they got to experience their reaction Which they might not have even known was going to happen But that's a that's a learning moment. That's a classroom moment right there. So Yeah, you got good stuff going on. I kind of dig it So where can we're about 20 minutes? So we'll wrap it up here So if people want to find you and I'll put all the links by the way I don't know what podcast episode this is going to be so keep listening after and I'll tell everybody You can go to the anxious truth comm slash whatever and I'll have all Laura's links But how can people find you online lore if they want to learn? They can find me across all social media laura cheetle They can also find me on my website laura cheetle.com and that is la Cheetle is ch ea d le right? Yes. Yes, and I also have a betrayal recovery guide at naked self worth.com Because I talk a lot about naked self worth. Just who are you naked? Who are you stripped down? Who are you underneath? Super anxiety. Yeah, the trauma. Yeah, all those things. I and I appreciate you I do appreciate the message and the I don't know. You just you just seem like such a safe person to explore with Thank you, and maybe you are maybe you're not I could be wrong, but you appear to be that I do appreciate I'd like to think I am so thank you Very non-judgmental and willing to let people just be silly and play and explore and that's kind of cool And you know if that sounds like something that you guys would be interested just go follow laura Even if there's you know, there's not a whole lot for sale there, but she's just a cool person to know so do it Anyway laura. Thank you so much for taking the time. I appreciate it. Thank you. I enjoyed it. Yeah, we can do it again sometime Yeah, absolutely. All right. See you guys in a bit. I'll be back in a second Alrighty then. I hope you guys enjoyed that here. We are back in the studio I love to say back in the studio means nothing. Anyway, I really enjoyed that conversation I hope you did too. I hope you got some things out of it Laura's lessons that she learned that she's passing on to people really are applicable in recovery They really are and it was nice to have somebody Give us a different view of those kind of lessons coming from slightly different experience and applying it a little bit differently But laura's willingness to encourage people to get out there and do things that make them uncomfortable And take risks and fail if you must pick yourself back up. I love that message. I really do So this was a great episode for me to do. I enjoyed it again I hope you guys did too. Hope you got something out of it If you would like to find laura you can find her at laura cheetle Cheetle is C-h-e-a-d-l-e dot com But you can also go to the anxious truth comm slash one six six For the show notes for this episode I will have all laura's links her website or social media and everything right there And before signing off I'm going to ask you the same favor that I always do if you're watching if you're listening to the podcast on itunes Or some platform that lets you leave a rating or a review then leave a rating five stars would be awesome Whatever the highest is take another minute or so Maybe write the podcast a little review if you're digging it because good reviews help other people find the podcast And that's why I spend the time that I do to try and spread this around and help as many people as I can So I would greatly appreciate it if you did that for me And I do appreciate the time and attention you guys give me Week in and week out. It's overwhelming. 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