 Welcome to the 1878 FM podcast, there is episode 20, we are once again bushless, he's just given us a message which was a late one, late decision for the fitness test that he's got to go and get his train to go to work or something, that's how he says, he's just panicking under the pressure, he's flapping under the pressure, he is firmly in the big Sam camp, getting big Sam back I'm sure. But we are joined, that's always by our ever present. Mr Viti, there he is. You say that, you say that, but actually now might be the right time for me to put in a leave application because I can't do the 7th, I'm just, I mean I know I'm giving you good notice. I've forgotten a lot of notice there. I can't do Tuesday the 7th only because I have a prior commitment that I have to go to Sheffield and I will be on the road all day so you will have to miss me for the first one actually this season. Maybe we'll move it for you Dave, maybe we'll go to the Wednesday just for you or something. Do you know, I mean if you don't mind that would make me feel special. Well that's what would happen, we're not going to, we're not going to, first of all we don't know where the bush is. And then it'll just be like a normal day for me and pets over. So yeah, but ultimately we both of course we move it so let's get that off the way, let's get that off the way. Dave obviously, we chatted last week, you know on this last week we did, we did kind of hint that this week. We might be having this conversation given Everton's terrible form. Everton lost again at the weekend in what was, it was a big game. It feels so long ago. It does feel years ago already. But that has resulted in Frank Lampard losing his job and the rest of his coaches have gone as well. Which was quite handy because he'd all booked Mundi off anyway to stay down in Mundi so he didn't have to come back to him. So what are your initial thoughts, Dave, on the manager losing his job? Right decision? I think it was inevitable, wasn't it? I think I've said on this all the way through the season that I didn't want to see Lampard go or like what he's about. And I also don't agree with chopping and changing managers because I just think it's counterproductive. And now we're looking for our sixth manager in five years and look where we are. So it's not the way to go about things. But I think that we got to a point where something had to be done. And even I had to hold my hands up and say a change needs to happen. But now the worry is who it is. Who sees us out for the rest of the season. Who has the unenviable job of trying to steer it clear of what looks like an almost inevitable relegation. I mean, it's going to be a relegation scrap of the best. But you know, we must be odds on favourites for going down, I think at the moment. So it's who that is. And obviously the names that have been mentioned thus far, Daish, Rooney, Bielsa. I mean, I listen, I quite like Bielsa as a footballing character. But I'm not sure that this is the right move for him. I really don't. Or rather, this is the right fit for us at the moment. I just think that I don't think he's a quick fix kind of guy. And this is a proper rollus, leaves up situation. I would put Nuno in the same category as him as well, by the way. I mean, a no different manager in a different style. But it concerns me with managers who don't get Everton Football Club. Potentially. And putting Nuno and Bielsa into that category. Although, you know, the thing is that if Mashiw has already spoken to Bielsa about the job, then surely that would put him, you know, as one of the favourites. I don't know what your thoughts, what you're thinking in terms of the shortlist. Who do you think are the best or least bad options? I think I do tend to agree with your over Bielsa. I think he's 67 for a start. I think this is a job. I think for him going into a club, I think he's going to go when he needs it. He would need to go in pre-season to get any of his ideas across that he wants to do. I think he needed, you know, maybe the right time to get him if you were really considering and would have probably been the well cup break. If only there was a six week break in the season. I mean, that would have been an ideal time to make this kind of, you know, change while there was, yeah, I mean, that would have been ideal. That would have been a little bit more sensible. So I think he's, I tend to agree with you. He's a very interesting football man, but is he right? I don't think we've got the players, but, you know, that's, that's by the by. I think coming in, in the midst of what is a relegation battle, there's no question about it. It's a real tough one. I think the others, Daish, I can understand why people want you on Daish, but he's not, for me, he's not a, he's not a guarantee that you stay up. All of Daish has been mentioned again. Rooney, I think the thing with Wayne Rooney is he's a young coach and he's, he's, he's, he's worked in real difficult circumstances at Derby, so he's got that, he knows what I've been about to Evertonian. There's other people, you know, people have seen Duncan Ferguson, would he be good for a short term? People will always come back to experience. Then you've got people like Dominic Tadesco, who's been a really good man, and I've had lots of experiences already. There's only 37 in Germany. He's someone who Everton could maybe get. There's others like Willis Bowas. There's managers out there. The problem I have, Dave, is I honestly couldn't, there isn't one, I look at fully and go, he would sort us. You know, I'm intrigued by what Rooney would be like, getting a culture, but I understand everyone's concerns there. Tadesco, like you said, is, are these kind of managers going to get everything? Does it matter if they get everything? I don't know. I mean, Ped, where are you at with it? I think one of the things I find interesting about the whole thing is the idea of time and how long it takes to set up a team for a particular manager. And I just wonder, you mentioned something like Dominic Tadesco or something like that, or a BL set, you know, they have a different kind of style. Obviously, it's from a Sean Dyson, a Sam Allardyce. Does Allardyce or a Sean Dyson style of play take quicker to implement than what they want? You know, these are professional footballers. We've got all day on the training pitch. How long does it actually take to start the implication, you know, putting it down, laying it down what you want to do? That's what I find interesting because what Allardyce does and what Sean Dyson does to a degree is still quite technical. Just maybe more in what we see, more in a basic way. We see it as a defender. You've still got to do a lot of concentrating and as a player who plays further forward. You have to get back into certain positions and you have to stay really disciplined in your role. And that obviously takes time, working on set pieces, that kind of thing, which obviously would be no Allardyce and people like Sean Dyson are really big on. If that takes any longer to implement than a Bielsa style, and that's what I find interesting. I know the Bielsa one is really, I don't think we've got the players to do what Bielsa wants to do. But then again, you don't know, do you? You don't know that you've actually tested them. You know, who knows a player, a player, something might be unlocked within them. They might be playing one style with Frank Lamporth or trying to play a style. I don't know what that style was. And then another manager comes in and locks them and suddenly a poor player becomes a decent player, and vice versa. So that's a means to conundrum. But again, this is supposed to be a thing where the director of football is supposed to have laid down this identity of where you're playing, where you're moving forward. And I suppose evidently again between a rock and a hard place, because what are they trying to do? Are they trying to nail down an identity and move forward that? Or are they just trying to simply survive? And it's finding the best. It's the best fit. And that's for the director of football to understand, I think. And if he understands it, then that's where we can move forward. But if it's left to the owner and the chairman, then what's the point? I think one of the things there, you just said there's shortlist, but I know when a lot of names are put out there and people put names out there, don't they? It's not always accurate. You know, journalists will throw all things out. And when you look at that shortlist, even that latest from one type of manager to a different one. So, you know, you would hope that while we have implemented the director of football into the club, that he, like Perth just said, agreed an identity. And then surely he would look for coaches, head coaches, managers, whatever you want to call them, who fit into that identity. Well, listen, I tell you what, I'm going to make it easier for all of us. And I'm going to sort of, I'm going to cut down this shortlist, because what I think we need at the moment is not necessarily the long-term option. I don't think at this moment in time we're looking for the manager who's going to lead us into the new stadium. I mean, listen, in reality, that will probably be three or four away, you know, in terms of like how we operate. But I think we need somebody for right now, OK? And that isn't necessarily the same person for next season. Because if we do pull off the miraculous and we do have another Crystal Palace moment, we somehow managed to survive this season and therefore all of our worries have gone away, a bit like they were last season or so we thought in May, right? Is that if that does happen, then we can we can think about what the long-term thing is. So here's my thinking in terms of that, is that it has to be, and I don't think this is being romantic. I think this is being practical because this has to be a roll your sleeves up situation. This has to be somebody. This has to be firing guts. It's actually going to keep us up this season. Nothing more, nothing less, right? Pretty football is not going to keep us up. We don't have the players to do that. This needs to be an absolute. Every game has got to be a cup final. Every game has got to be an absolute battle. And for that reason, the next manager to see is out for the rest of season has to be somebody associated with the club. Therefore it has to be either one of these or combinations of the Duncan Ferguson, Rooney, Moys, Tim Cahill, any combination of those people in that mix. It has to be somebody that understands what the club is about. And somebody, you see, here's my thing with Bielsa. Like, I know that it's perhaps an old-fashioned way of doing things, but we're in a hair dryer situation here at the moment. We need to have somebody who's actually going to bollock them when they're two and three down and they haven't been pulling their finger out. How can you be scared about going in at halftime when you know that you're bollocking? Is it going to have to go through an interpreter? You know what I mean? Like, he can rant and rave all he likes in Spanish, but then the guy's going to translate it. He doesn't really have the same effect, does it, you know? And by the time he sort of said that, the teacup flying across the room is not even in the same time as the bollocking. So I think it has to be somebody who understands what this means to the fans and understands the whole makeup of the club. So I think we have to have an Evertonian to see us out and then we think about it again. OK. I mean, it's interesting. I think you've said something yesterday, Padden. It probably is what we need as well, though. And even if this is more long-term, but I think it's long and short, is that we need a coach. Whoever comes in has got to make our players better. Everton, I looked this morning. I hadn't looked at the late table since, I don't know. Shat the men, we were bottom, I think. I thought about that. Half three or whatever it was, four o'clock. And yet we're one win off 14th. We're three points off, less than it was 14th. So it's not, and now it feels like it's over. It's finished, it's done. But it's far from it. And there's a lot of games left, and I understand people would turn on and go, we looked at it. I get it. I absolutely get it. We were terrible. There was two terrible football teams on the pitch and Shat of the Everton and Westam. They were dreadful. They just took the chances when they came along. So Everton, it isn't like a hopeless task to keep us up, but it is something that someone needs to understand where we are and the work needs to begin immediately doesn't it? Yeah, I think the problem is though, is the amount of games we've lost to teams around us, that's the problem isn't it? We've been beaten by a lot of dross and there doesn't seem to have been a realisation of what's been going on. And I think that's what Dave's alluding to there with bringing in someone who understands the culture of the football club. I think there has to be, the problem that I've got, and I fully understand what you're saying Dave is, I don't know whether football has responded to that kind of thing anymore. I don't know whether they would get it. I don't know whether there's enough good people in the dressing room to understand the implications of all this. You've got to grab it and I think in terms of the people that could enforce is perhaps the wrong word, but is it though Dave, because you're right what you're saying and I totally agree with you and we were talking about this last week, I can't even remember where we were talking about it, but that line of succession forever and people through the club is just run dry. We were talking about the centre backs and how we always had this prominent line of centre backs who understood and it sort of died with Michael Keane and this and I know we've got Tarkowski and Connor Cody this season and they were doing well for a period and then it looks like that's all stopped. They've both hit the buffers a little bit, but you're right, there has to be people who enforce that and whether they're Evertonians or whether they've just got really good standards. I don't know. I think you're right though, I think there has to be people who are amongst the coaching staff who get it, who understand the culture of Everton Football Club and they know that, people often snigger at like Duncan Ferguson and the fact that he was at the club with all his managers, but he was massively frustrated that he couldn't get across his passion and desire and love and where Everton Football Club should be and I know that was a big frustration to him and I think that's a big frustration to a lot of people at the Football Club is that the types of players Everton bring in, they just don't seem to get it, they just don't seem to understand and we saw with Richarlison last season, he gets it, he got it Richarlison, he understood what it took and what you had to do and it's so evident this season that we are lacking a player like Richarlison who goes beyond what is needed when you think about it. If Richarlison just run round and put the ball in the back of the net and stuff, people are like oh he's done well, but he's done more than that, he went above and beyond, he went track back, he run through brick walls, he'd get injured and get himself strapped up and would get on with it. That's what Everton can just lack and again it goes back to recruitment, it goes back to that idea of what David Munch was talking about recently of before you sign someone, get them in a room and look in the whites of their eyes and have a conversation with them and see if they've actually got the stuff to being Everton player. I think we've lost that, and I know people go that's not real and we've got mates who are banging to the data and all this kind of thing and they'll tell you none of that matters, but surely it does matter in any day and age, in any football team, having players who actually want to win games and are prepared to do the extra little bit of win games because the irony is that that's what City have got, that's what Arsenal seem to have at the moment, that's what Liverpool have had for the last few years is those players that you look at and they go, they're really good, but they're more than that, they'll run through a brick wall and they are coached, this is something we've spoken about and our players for the last 12 months are not better, they're not improved and I put that data Frank Lampard in his team and if there was any reason to sack him, that was the reason. None of these players are better, people can go, well look at Adobe, he's had a few good games but there's no real consistency there and they're all like that aren't they, so get us some good coaches in for a start and maybe when you're, again, someone like Rooney, or he's young, but he could be a figurehead if you could get really good coaches around them and I think that's the top and bottom of the situation and it is about creating that culture again and of like, do you need to be Evertonians? Well, maybe not because that's a total Arsenal because there aren't that many and Dave mentioned a few there, but just get people who are, I've got a say in something about them and I've got maybe a track record, maybe there's a bus out there saying this fella is an amazing coach, you need him in your setup, go look for those kind of people and add those people Dave mentioned to, they just add them into the mix. I think, yeah, go on Dave. Well, I was just going to say, I mean, I don't disagree with you, I just think that there's two, I think there's two different jobs though, I think there's a job, there's a right now job and then there's a going forward job. I don't think there's a going forward job, Dave, while the people, no, no, sorry, while these people run this football club, I don't think there's a going forward because I just think that's a dead end but I do understand what you're saying. Do you know what I'm trying to do? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I tell you exactly what I'm trying to get at and I think that the Leeds game last Feb summed it all up to 3-0. That's exactly what we need at the moment. That was a proper roll your sleeves up, blood and thunder performance and that and only that I think is going to be our saviour this season because we're not going to be playing pretty football, you know. And we're not going to be suddenly bringing in great players. I mean, Christ, what is it? The 24th of January at the moment as we record. So we've got less than a week left to go and there's nothing on the horizon seemingly other than that. Is the Danjuma loan deal all sorted? Well, we haven't had none because they're after me and he's spent the weekend at the football club. It's all done in it for whatever reason. But it's not done. It's not done. But you know, I think that we keep saying it, we have to make it into a cup. We have to make every game into a bloody into a cup tie. Yeah. And that's what I see. But which manager is best equipped to do that with what we've got? I mean, that's why again, you know, people will say, right, well, Duncan can't attract the players necessarily. He doesn't have that international sort of footballing pedigree that will attract the best players. We ain't getting the best players at the moment anyway. This is about actually getting the most out of what we've got. And I tell you what, in terms of somebody who could convey with literal precision the thoughts of the Gladys Street into the dressing room. And I'm talking about doing that from an inch away from their nose. Duncan would be the best person to do that for me. Si, I wonder if, obviously, all the dice have been mentioned again and I know that'll send shivers down everyone's spine. I wonder if he would take it again but for literally like four months away because then that does play into that does play into what you're saying, Dave. It is that there's a job for now. There's a job for now. He charges the fortune. He charges the fortune. I mean, didn't, you know, isn't he? I imagine he will bring Duncan in back into the end of the season. Because that's like a wave. I'm not advocating for this, by the way. I'm just looking at it and going, if, if, ever, now, and we listen, we never know what Evan will do. Maybe Kevin fell well because you would have thought this has been going a little bit pear shaped since before the Whale Cup. After the Whale Cup, it's got ways and ways. Anyone with a, any kind of plan would have gone, lads, this doesn't look like this is going to turn. So who's available? Who might be in set? This is the problem, isn't it? I mean, ultimately this is the problem, isn't it? We, you know, this is not new. We've won one game in like, 13, 14 matches, whatever it is, and they're sitting here and they're deciding what they want now. And this is, if this doesn't tell you exactly what's wrong with the football club, I don't know what does. There's a massive, there's going to be a massive charm offensive in the next few days. They're going to be pulling all the mates out of the media to back them up and to, and start putting the blame on us and telling them, I've seen it already. Be positive, you know, stop being against the ball, blah, blah, blah. You need to rally about behind the team and all that. People can do both. People can back the team and do the other thing, but ultimately this should have been sorted. You know, yesterday was just a farce. Three o'clock it gets announced that he's sacked because clearly his side have leaked it out to the media. So, and then at quarter past eight, they're ever making an announcement that he's been sacked. And you know, I'm watching Sky Sports, I'm watching the night football and they've done a whole segment on it. And at the very end they mentioned that Everton still hadn't confirmed he'd been sacked and Gary Neville was like what? Why are we even talking about it then? And he went, well he's sacked, but they haven't confirmed it and Gary Neville just said that tells you in a nutshell what's wrong with that football club. Disorganised. And that's the way, isn't it? Disorganised. The manager got sacked yesterday and really today. Everton should have an announcement. Everton should really already know who's the manager. It should have been so. No, but it should. No, I agree. On the FA, when we played Manchester United in the FA Cup, that was the weekend to get a new manager. Maybe not bring them in. But that was the weekend to go out and source the manager because it wasn't getting any better, was it? You know, we wasn't, you know, I know we've had a couple of games since. But even even then, you know, we're old enough to remember when Mike Walker came in. Mike Walker's best spell as Everton manager was actually the three games before he got sacked. I think he won one and drew a couple. But the clubs were committed to sacking them because he was terrible. And let's be honest, Frank Lampard has been terrible. Walker took four points out of six the last two games. I think he got five, didn't he? I think he got five, you know, out of his last four games. Well, I remember, I know he got the beat west arm and me to the middle middle at Norwich, you know that? No, but what I'm saying is that he was committed to getting. And I think Everton, when the Man United, literally from the Man United game, that whole weekend should have been committed to getting rid of Frank Lampard because his record is atrocious. I know people like him, but his record's embarrassing for anyone. Anyone that's embarrassing that record. Like, I honestly think he could put Ned in charge and he would have got a couple more wins. He overthought the whole thing for me Frank Lampard at times. And that's where they should have been. And this week, we should already have a manager. Sact on the Monday, new fella comes in on the Tuesday, no messing about because most clubs in the Premier League would have done that because most clubs understand you cannot allow this time to just drag on. We did this 12 months ago. 12 months ago. Exactly the same place. And what does that tell you about the football and people can say whatever they want. They can come out with a charm offence that they can say anything they want. The facts are on the table. It's there, you know, we've seen it before and it's happening again. Are you texting Jim White? I'm texting White now saying what's going on. I'm sharing on to this call instead of Bush. Hello Dave. I just think for me. I got no Bush. Listen, it is a mess and hopefully Remember when this podcast was fun? It is, we're going fun. Bring the fun back now because this is just the best. Have you got some fun lined up for us? You're going to start because we're just like grilling you first. That's Bush. That's Bush but we haven't got Bush. What's he doing tonight, Spit Roast? No, what's he doing? He's air-fying his corn, beef, whatever. He can't say Spit Roast on here. No, I didn't say that. Is it wood liven up the podcast? He's taking us in a weird direction. It's now boats and now Spit Roasting. It's all going on. Anyway, the everything will run and run on shore and we will deal with more of it next week. Obviously there's no gain this weekend either which is tremendous for us. Weekend of now Evan. He's always the best weekend. Well, get back to the well cup. Bring a well cup out every six weeks. Let's do it. So there you go. We'll leave the evidence here because it is quite depressing really, isn't it? It is quite difficult. We've given as best we can in terms of what we think is on it and ultimately whatever we think or whatever logic would potentially suggest could be completely at odds to actually what happens. Of course. Let's just see where we end up. See who the manager is by episode 20. Do we think we'll have a manager by next week when we record our next pod? I think he will. I'm not convinced. I'm saying he will. A few days before that. Hello Roberto. He's going to pay £100 million to get him out of his bell. His Portugal contract. No, I think he will. Or it will be like he's got it. I mean they won't have announced it. Of course we had a player of Finchfam at the weekend who still hasn't been announced. So yeah. We'll know who he is. Get your BL sub buckets now. Everyone's staring at the floor in the maths. Mind you, I normally do that so it'll be alright. It'll be absolutely fine. What have you been getting up to then Dave? Have you been running over the weekend? Or was it biking? Biking, biking, biking. I went on a 20 mile bike ride on Saturday in the sunshine. That was very nice. I'm considering a run tomorrow. The weather looks shit tomorrow. I always do that. That's the best form of exercise. I am considering. I've got a morning. Without boring you too much. I've got a morning off the school run tomorrow because my daughter is staying with her mum. I can either go tomorrow but I've checked the report and the forecast is not promising. So I'm thinking about maybe Thursday instead. Might be the day to do it. I know you were captivated and fascinated and all of the other ateds about the fact that I was recording with Peter Andre last week. Let's dig into that. Not as glamorous this week. I've just done a podcast with Michael Duff, the Barnsley manager formerly of Burnley obviously under Shreve Dysh. And then tomorrow interviewing Dwight Gale off of Stokes this week. See Dave, I mean you're just fully immersed in EFL. See if everything do go down. We've got an absolute. Not only an in but we've got an expert. I was just thinking I would love to hear a podcast with Michael Duff and Andy Bush. The Bush and Duff podcast. I don't know why. It's just coming to me. I was thinking of Gail Bush. No, Bush and Gail. Dwight Gail talks to Andy Bush about frying corn beef toasties or something. I think there'd be a big scope for that. I do, yeah. The fact that Bush is absent once again incidentally by the way shall we just go off on a little tangent because we've never done what we said we were going to do in terms of the fact that he was going to be brought to account about his unauthorised absences week upon week and his seeming disregard for the integrity of this podcast and we were going to sit him down and actually go for him big time. Now he managed to get out of that for reasons that I can't fully recall so maybe He just didn't say enough. Maybe in terms of our Everton manager conversational avoidance we need to get back on to his tale. Absolutely, I mean absolutely. What Bush has done the equivalent of is no comment, hasn't he? No comment. Whenever we've tried to pin him down to something he's just given us that I'm on the train I've got to get in because Richie needs me to mop his brow or something or make a toastie or cover for some fella cos he's having all of thee when he shouldn't be. Well I mean he should be well I can take all of thee whenever he wants but you know what I mean he shouldn't be clashing with our recording so we're going to have to pin him down the Bush getting pinned down to a time and then we'll start off nicely, you know, well they say nicely it'll be bad evidence so it won't be nice. Lull him in. That's what it's all about making him feel comfortable and then bang! I think the Bush is bit off more than he can chew and again that is a great name for a podcast Bush bit off more than he can chew I mean it could work I think so Bush with teeth isn't it? He's always made excuses though when we were thinking up this podcast and it was pre like zoom and we were like how are we going to do this how are we going to put this thing together and even though he works on a radio station equipment he's making excuses then and he's now making excuses oh you've got a real job you've been told you've got to go into work interviewing Barbara Streisina oh I mean unless we just stop finding around now and we actually get him on now on a train Is he on a train though on a train going to the office he works on a radio I mean he doesn't work in a radio he's not climbing in a radio hang on this is live I want to imagine a secretary picks the phone up imagine he was though imagine he did because he didn't really work on a radio station and he worked for an insurance firm do you know what's weird you'd think his answer machine would have a radio voice and it didn't it's really bad is that how he really talks I'm not having that I'm not doing it again I'm not going to work on the cocorate shire in Southend on C fair get your bat in spite I don't know if that's how people talk he's sitting there looking at his phone he's doing that thing pretend to be it's anybush it's anybush I'm currently enriching and we're earth-frying some mackerel you slag that's another good name for a podcast air-frying mackerel you slag don't know whether you can put the you slag on maybe you could like first of the late night version you could do we've had a live call to Steve Guttenberg that never got answered and we've had two to Andy Bush do I phone Andy right now I was going to phone Donk but not after you no don't be ringing Donk he's got it in for me he's got it in maybe that's what we do a new feature where Dave just randomly rings just goes to each start and we go stop and he just has to ring it there is a good game that I used to like to play on the radio it was called How Many Simons but I mean you can actually put it in with any anything so the idea is it's a little bit like Top Trump so we can try it now we start with Simons and then you can move on to anything else how many deans have you got on your phone just the one but how many Simons so have a look at your phone now this is something that everybody can play unless you're driving or operating heavy machinery that wouldn't be good yet feel free to actually do this okay I mean I can I can update you at any time you want see the problem with with Simons is it's shorted in to say names don't it right I've got I've got four Simons right one of them three of them have got say names one of them is just Simon I've no idea who that is because to be fair only one of these I actually know and the other two I don't really know I don't know why I think their names might have been like put in via like Facebook or something okay yeah because I've got one and it's you know Simon Bonda I've no idea who that is Bonda B-O-N-D-A-R so if you are Simon Bonda okay I don't know who's that it's Peyton isn't he why he's in my phone I don't know and I've got a Simon I've got three three I've got I don't want to sound like a show-off 21 Simons behave yourself I've got 21 Simons in my phone okay so it's fine go and pick another name as you pick a name oh incidentally by the way Bush has just texted me back and this is great he won't realise that this is a total setup set up in an ambush ambush he said call you in five sorry I missed your call no problem sorry let him ring it and we'll do the phone call live on this no problem mate give me a quick call it's important sorry but sorry Dave you've just invented the channel four five channel five program ever it's called ambush it's where the bushmeister it's like a Jeremy Beedle style program it goes around and like ask people off and then he goes you've been ambush it could be a good one he just jumps out and then they go haven't seen you on any show you look like that that could be his catchphrase that's it ambush and then we can get him into t-shirts so good he literally is bush so if he shout ambush he's not buying I've just told you and also but that's another good t-shirt idea because on the back you've got ambush I just told you you tit in the case of writing on the back so it's not fully offensive I just told you you tit that's good I need another name off you I'm going Andrew already we've got the bush having me I just feel like this podcast is turning into a meeting from radio it is back in the radio days are we counting Andy's or not go on it's going to be a different list Andrew's only I think okay see my top three Andy's are quite good I can't say them out they've all got very pivotal roles in my career okay I've got a number five sorry is this Andrew or Andy we can do Andy's next if you want I've got two Andrews I've got one Andrew and someone whose name is Andrew but his name is Nick is that a grey? I've got two Andrews I've got two Andrews clang that's what I'm playing at me I've got one who's Andrew someone and someone who's someone Andrew no Steve Andrew I don't know who that is and now I've got loads in my phone I must ring about three people that's 14 years I'm not going to ring him just in case he's not someone who wants to speak to me Andy's I'm better on Andy's I'm well better than Andy's will you go first back one two three four five six seven Andy's that's decent for me Andy is I think I've got five I've got five but four of them are really good four of them are really good okay we'll get this go on 33 why why why why have you got 33 people you've got more andes than probably I've got 33 andes that's incredible 33 I don't understand 33 but I'll be honest with you but the same is the same as you I've got no idea who half of them are I don't really want to phone them and just go who are you maybe we should maybe this is perhaps for another episode and by the way if anybody is listening and thinks that we have completely run out of things to talk about just basically killing time until we can actually really simply wrap this up in about ten minutes you are so mistaken this was all planned not just bollocks for another time maybe we should actually use this as an opportunity to have a bit of a purge in terms of our contact as you go through and if we don't know who they are then we just delete them that makes sense I've got one called Ben Pringle Ben Pringle Ben Pringle I don't even know who he is maybe you've just got the numbers but it's either the game or the organisation you've got shitplasses do you know what I always find good though that if you have got someone the best thing to do is go onto whatsapp and then you can sort of marry it off of it you can go on whatsapp and you can just have a little check on their thing and see and that's what I'm going to do right now that's what I do as well because yeah you can see if they're still valid or not or whether they're somebody who used to be a friend that you kind of didn't know since Fife is I'll tell you who Fife is Fife is we used to get stuff off they used to send us like promotional stuff from a company and read the games every year when they came out and we got a few bits off them and I just put the person thing down as Fife I mean How have you got that felt is that as real, is he there go on whatsapp that's from a while ago don't ring him did you know don't ring him don't ring him because he'll go alright Mike you want to watch I don't know why he's in my phone I mean listen in terms of like a live program meeting the obvious way to really make a proper finale of this would be that if we get Bush to ring back in the next fight that would be amazing if Bush don't you think because then I think it would feel almost as if this was going somewhere well it is you know I mean you know what have you been watching Dave I tell you what I'm watching happy valley at the moment now it's interesting you say that because I have never seen happy valley but I have noticed a lot of people on facebook of late saying oh I'm sorry I'm nine years late but actually happy valley is brilliant and actually I was talking to my mum the other day he also testifies that happy valley isn't deep really and I need to go back to the beginning and watch the whole thing from the start which is one of my next things on my list I haven't got a I haven't got a program at the minute right well it is that's a great way to start iPlayer there's only three series the third and final series and it's that thing six six right and it's that thing that it's only on once should be because it finishes and I'm like I keep going on the iPlayer thing and they might have dropped the last three don't they leave it once a week so it's tremendous here and it's absolutely brilliant but it's very gritty and it's now it's really good honestly when I did what's happy valley I was thinking what's this like sunshine farm and program and something you know one of them in a setting Yorkshire but it's absolutely brilliant so it's weird sounds like it's setting a massage parler nice spa there's no happy ending that's the sad thing but now watch it Dave honestly it's really good like I said six episodes in the series only three seasons what are they hour long that's doable you can do a series in a weekend oh yeah yeah yeah and it is quite gripping it's with James Norton's and it's really good I'll have a look see because last night I watched two episodes of Kirsty and Phil's love it or list it and I thought I really need to get another yeah you need to get shot to get your teeth and see really I was surprised at the end when they did decide to list it because normally normally if the wife wants to stay they normally stay you can normally put a decent wager on down at the beginning like if the wife doesn't want to move do you know what that's the question I mean first of all Dave's now being accompanied by Sam Allardyce on the pity which is fine Sam Allardyce has just be see what you really should have done then was that Allardyce on the couch behind Dave not just by his leg there to go he's to your right Dave if you go like that Dave you'll be patting Sam on the head down a little bit pat pat pat pat that's it hang on hang on Dave no no no this doesn't work it's a podcast I'm going to send it so we can see what he's pat this is a podcast does it look a bit like an emu it looks a bit like you need to grab your arm with your other arm Dave and stack fair play Dave I'll send you that in a minute I don't know you've chuck it from me no I've never had some Allardyce chuck it from all of them I was just going to say has anyone ever watched House in the Sun has anyone ever bought a house has anyone ever bought a house you've literally just reached it I was going to say why did you rob it from me you've like ever and have chucked me joy you've chucked that bloody thing out me that place in the sun the go over there we've got a budget of 500 grand and the woman or the man whoever it is now decides they've picked out the greatest properties in Spain Costa del Britain and all that they go and show them all and they go love this this is amazing then they meet her later on they meet her at a nice location they have a drink what you think oh yeah it was great I want to put an offer in they do the black phone call my clients are going to offer this it comes on and goes eight month did he say I did not to go through with the worst one they go to Australia and it's never shown in the go it looks like England but with a beach that's all it is the one where they have to do the stay or go thing the spin it there's three kids always say no always and they let them decide their future of their lives you absolute tit but then the other thing is to go and we got here and we're working out Jill is a care assistant at home she earns £17,000 a year but the cost of living is blah blah blah in Australia she'll earn blah blah blah there's no fucking chance she can live in Australia boys boys boys hello mate I'm good thank you Andy you might be live it's the only way to get him the thing is I'll be honest with you today we've been talking largely about the vacant manager position and that got depressing after about seven or eight minutes so then we've sort of been freestyling since then because we missed you and we thought that it might be nice to have you on I said wouldn't it be great if we could get Bush on before before we conclude this recording and it will sort of act as a finale so essentially how are you what a lovely call and it's very nice of you guys I'm currently sat at a train station I'm very excited about the potential next new chapter for Everton and I'm all good it's an ambush can you hear them okay or not or do you want me to translate I can't hear them at all it's quite nice actually it's a fact that we have come up with a new TV idea for you which you know I'm happy to run past your agent potentially but it's called I'm Bush no I'm Bush yeah but I'm Bush so the idea is that you then jump out and surprise people and then kind of go I'm Bush that's my name you tit and yeah that's my name you tit is what your entertainment industry particularly radio is old probably we don't need that it's been a tough few years channel 5 I'll tell you what Andy we'll put that down as a maybe before I let you go for your train can I just ask you what your early thoughts are just to bring this all looping back to something which is vaguely relevant what are your thoughts in terms of the shortlisted names for the next potential Everton job do you have anybody that you would prefer 100% Bielsa I want to see him sound a bucket while Stripe of Neil is bayonating bags of grains interesting you'd be going for Bielsa 100% just our interest what were you not thinking well personally I think that it needs to be somebody till the end of the season maybe like a Duncan Ferguson a runy kind of situation with a then a longer term prospect from when we're safe we can talk about this are you on next week hopefully ok good thank you for the idea Andy Bush thank you very much and have a pleasant onward day thanks guys see you Andy that was a tremendous phone call I loved the way Dave just started he's kept that lovely have you got that phone call from Dave there the busher sat there in a train station that's the best thing he's sat there now thinking oh that was a nice phone call that was a nice phone call Andy Bush has just communicated a lot of message what's that group as a whole and it just says a word that it reads what does Stort mean that's my name you tit fair play to you he's joined in and that's what I've got master's report when Dave's set it up like that he can tell Dave's had years of experience years of ringing up you know celebrities on the radio it's years of actually it's kind of what we call killing time sometimes it's when you don't really have a proper structure you have to think of something else that will actually no no no by the way I meant that from all of us and I said it would be nice if we had a lovely finale and a happy ending if you would by actually having Bush on at the end and he came through and he gave us what we wanted and we can now kind of all lie back and feel satisfied exactly I feel like I've had the happy valley the bush with the happy valley at the end it's all very good that's my name you tit you could see that someone that is definitely definitely definitely a cat face that you could see like smashy and nice if it was like he jumped down and went it's an ambush and they went it's Bush and their eages went that's my name you tit I mean he did what I would say what I would say is he was taking the idea to radio and he said that's not really good this is why he's still stuck doing 14 shifts a day 14 shifts a day for absolute jizz that is free that is free but if Dave was trying to say I think the one thing Dave where you might have missed your boat not you missed your boat you missed your trick there was did you shave for channel 5 that's the caveat to any idea if you put channel 5 in it all of a sudden it becomes on a big boat you know that's James Macdonald on a big boat you know the way she goes like it's James Macdonalds goes around right she's almost like Jude at Sam she's going but then she sings at the end and she's singing come fly with me I don't know why she's singing that on a boat but that's what she sings that's a bit weird tell you the value for money I don't know but maybe that's part of the package I like the little Scottish one who goes in the campervan around she's much better oh um yeah what's her name that one yeah I also like think you're off EastEnders doing motorhomes as well he likes what's his name Alfie Moon oh Shane Ritchie he does motorhomes it's this channel 5 so what's bush on a bush literally you can literally get any if you caveat channel 5 underneath anything it's a show they just have two buckets one with a celebrity in and one with some kind of travel idea in so it'll be the next one will be like Lenny Henry does hovercraft do you know I'd watch that I mean I'd watch that I don't feel like you see them anymore and there was a time years ago when they were a big thing Lenny Henry is in the literally multi-billion costing new Lord of the Rings show on Amazon it wasn't surprising it was a shock to me he's done well for himself he's become a seer just going back to the ambush idea just because you've now brought travel and there's no travel in that so how would we what bucket would that be they'd be a different bucket they have many buckets of channel 5 you only named two two buckets who would be the seer you'll be elsewhere he loves sitting on a bucket we've gone full circle let's leave it there that's my name you tit it's a great idea we've just got to come up with David I think if you make the name of the show first and then which retro fits what actually happens I think that's much better Dave Vitty phones people you need something that what you mean that rhymes with my name well not really Dave Vitty looking for the you see I always Dave Vitty McLean go on I always thought that actually if I ever owned a strip bar oh yeah Vitty cities but I don't and I have no plans but that would have been the perfect shall we go for bevy and then I tell you what should we just go shall we go to Vitty cities you know and have a dance that's my bar you tit and on that note on that note as Andy Bush jumps out ambush in Vitty's city bar on that note we are going Dave lovely lovely to chat with you partners in the bar are they partners in it no they are partners Bush and bushes yet but you have bush in a titty bar well I don't know but you could also have bush gardens couldn't you you could have what sorry bush gardens I mean I've been to bush gardens many times tremendous place in the dam there'd be no bush gardens in the dam right Dave lovely to speak yet we will see you next week take care thanks very much for watching and listening see you after bye bye