 Welcome back to the AI for good global summits here at the ITU headquarters in Geneva and I have another guest who's returned for a second time. His name is Wendell Wallach. We know him well. Bioethicist at Yale University. Good to have you here. Thank you very much. You came last year to talk about ethics. Why return? Why return? No, I just found this a very stimulating event and I'm particularly interested that we reinforce any initiative that promotes AI in ways that will be beneficial to the billions of our brethren on this planet who are truly having a difficult time. Are we getting that? No, not yet. I think we've got people beginning to think about how you can apply this technology but there are still ambiguities whether in the end AI will also be detrimental to the same populations particularly if we have massive job losses or if AI exacerbates inequalities. If those two things happen then the very technologies that might help mitigate hunger or poverty in one area or disease in one area could contribute it to it for other populations. Who do you have to convince, persuade? Well, I think it's not as much about convincing and persuading as getting a public dialogue going where people are not so caught up in the hype or the obfuscations about what these technologies can be and they have a clear-eyed sense of what the possibilities are and start to think deeply about what they want and then vote in the leaders or at least if they aren't in Democratic society support those leaders who are moving forward in ways that meet their needs and don't get deluded into supporting leaders who are creating fake news I guess the big phrase in America these days. Is the UN the right platform for this? Or is it the only platform? Well, I think in the end whether the UN will be the right platform or not as hard to say all I'm seeing is the UN always has this possibility of promoting ideas that require attention from the leadership. The UN is very seldom the platform that can move many of these issues ahead substantially but there's two aspects of the UN. One aspect is the public news around the intransigence between countries and the other is all the work that is being done to promote the SDGs sustainable development goals and I think that's why the UN is so important. In spite of our frustration sometimes with the geopolitics and how it bogs down here at the UN there is no question of the amount of good that is being done through the many facets of the UN. So we're getting that? We're getting there I think well I mean it's not even that we're getting there that's been going on that's not like something that's totally new it's only new in the form so I think the sustainable development goals have given us some new motivation, they've given us the right structure they've given us a way to think comprehensively about what is needed. Now this conference is giving the tech entrepreneurs and some of the government officials and some of the philanthropies and the representatives of civil society a chance to look at how AI can be instrumental in promoting the sustainable development goals but as I've been trying to outline and I mentioned here earlier it's a two-edged sword and it has a lot to do with what choices we make over the next few years or whether AI is really funded for these projects that will truly be good for those who are hurting or whether the aspects of AI that see the needs of the elites are what dominate. Brilliant. Wanda Warwick from Yale University and a senior advisor to the Hacing Centre. Thanks very much for your time. Thank you ever so much.