 Hey, everyone. This is Dr. Ruscio. Let's today discuss a question regarding recurring SIBO, and I'd like to play you this question from one of our audience members. Hey, Dr. Ruscio. It's Mike in NYC. Just a quick question on SIBO. Do you find that SIBO is usually recurrent in your patients? And if so, does this suggest a deeper root issue than just treating the SIBO alone? In other words, if SIBO is recurrent, can you speculate on some possible root issues? Like what could be at the center of recurrent SIBO? Thank you very much. Okay, good question, understandable question. And there's a couple factors to address, even before answering that question, which is is this actually SIBO? Because I think we've come to a point now where people are blaming SIBO for more than SIBO is actually causing. And I think we've gotten to a point in the healthcare culture where SIBO has generated too much momentum. I've been very thankful for the awareness about SIBO, but now I think people are blaming SIBO for everything, even when they don't have SIBO, and it's almost become this mystical or somewhat mythical figure in healthcare. And it's important to have a accurate understanding of what SIBO is, what SIBO is not, and not just be attributing any flair of symptoms that you're having to SIBO. So let me put a few bullet points up here on the screen. First, identify, is this actually SIBO? A flair of digestive symptoms does not mean that you have SIBO. And a flair of digestive symptoms doesn't necessarily mean anything's wrong or broken, or even if you have a flair of digestive symptoms that correlates with the SIBO breath test being positive, it doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong or broken, but rather there's an imbalance that can be rectified. And that's important to keep in mind because sometimes people have a fear of SIBO. So I want to make sure to clarify that if you do actually have a documented SIBO as a cause of your symptoms, don't get overly concerned about that. It's something that's very treatable and manageable. Yes, there are some severe cases, but for the most part what I noticed in the clinic is people have a far more than they likely should. So don't be afraid of SIBO. So if you do have a flair of symptoms or show a regression of SIBO lab work plus symptoms, again, sometimes it's just your symptoms flaring and it's not SIBO, or sometimes you may see lab work positive and your symptoms flaring. If that does happen, there's a few things that you can consider in terms of what you can do. And then I'll come back to what the underlying cause or causes may be. Level one would be to check in on your diet and lifestyle. And this is important because what happens sometimes is people have become too liberal with their diet or with their lifestyle. So if someone got themselves to a point where they were feeling well, they may have been eating a cleaner diet, getting more sleep, exercising, managing stress, and now they're feeling good. They're doing more, sleeping less, exercising less, eating out more, eating less healthy foods, which I think is a good thing. Don't get me wrong. I think that's a good thing to move in that direction. However, sometimes if you go too far for too long, you regress your gut because you've done too much. And I use this example often. It's like if you had a knee injury and you did rehab and you got yourself back to exercise or back to sports, but you overdid it, your knee may start to ache again. And what you'd have to do there is go back to some of your rehab exercises, perform a little less activity, and in a little while you'd be right back to normal. Okay, so sometimes all you have to do is tend to your diet. That may mean that you're eating too much sugar, too much processed food. You might be, if you had done a paleo diet or a low FODMAP diet, you may be consuming too much non-paleo compliant foods or high FODMAP foods, and just simple adjustments there of reducing some of those things can be helpful in some cases. Now, level two can be support. Probiotics are probably the best support, both for initial kind of foundational support, both for cleaning SIBO out of the small intestine and for helping one to get to a point where they have less symptoms. So probiotics can be very helpful also, and there's a few different types of probiotics, and I'll come back to a tip on that in a moment. If that still doesn't work, then level three of therapy could be antimicrobials, and this could be herbal therapy or antibiotics, and level four what can be used preventatively to prevent SIBO from recurring if it is in fact SIBO, which it's important that you quantify that it actually is, then herbal or pharmaceutical prokinetic therapy can be helpful. So those are some things that can be helpful, and if you've already had SIBO and you're wondering about recurrence, then sometimes to put it quite simply, what can be helpful to prevent that recurrence is just a short re-visitation of the therapy that got you to a healthy position in the first place. So if a paleo diet plus probiotics got you healthy, you may just need to revisit paleo plus probiotics. If you had to do low FODMAP plus erbal antimicrobials, you might need to revisit a low FODMAP diet plus a small-dose short course of antimicrobial. So sometimes a solution is one that you have already discovered and just needs a re-visitation just like doing some of the rehab exercises for your knee if you were to have a flare. Regarding underlying cause of SIBO, use of acid lowering medications like proboscid, nexium have been shown at least loosely to increase one's risk for SIBO as have immunosuppressive drugs, as have certain types of intestinal surgery, and as has the the condition known as impaired motility and this is where things slow down in the intestines and this may allow SIBO to recur. I think that mechanism is actually over popular compared to how much the utility can actually serve for people, but those are some of the underlying causes. What you do about that is really quantified into that steps one through four that we just went through. Now also remember that you could be having a regression of your symptoms, an IBS-like regression of symptoms, not regression of SIBO, and for symptomatic regression diet, lifestyle, stress can all be factors that can lead to symptomatic regressions. And also for the symptoms specifically, pain signaling may be one factor that's an underlying cause of people who have sensitive guts. So sometimes it's something to blame SIBO and I think that gives us an overly narrow perspective on gut health. There are multiple factors that can lead to one's gut health. Someone who's hypersensitive to pain may lead them to have periodic regressions and there's a couple of solutions for that. Probiotics is one, LofopMap is another. Again, another reason why it's important to not think about your gut health exclusively through the lens of SIBO. So my advice would be to listen to your gut and work to provide the optimum environmental support to allow a healthy gut and a healthy gut ecosystem to exist. And this is much broader and less reductionistic than thinking about just one underlying factor, such as SIBO or such as SIBO being caused by a motility impairment and this is a this is a mistaken thinking. Trying to reduce the gut down to one thing that might be in vogue at the moment right now. It's definitely SIBO and SIBO certainly can be important, but we can't reduce everything in your gut. The highest density of immune cells that you have in your entire body, the multitude of bacteria, the thousand-some-odd bacterial species, plus fungal species, plus how they get along with your gut, plus how you digest foods, plus how certain foods you drive with your immune system, plus your genetic pain signaling, you know, propensity. We cannot reduce all that down to one thing. So while it can seem scientific and seem like a good idea to try to focus on SIBO and get really deep into one factor, I think the the best success comes when you look at your gut broadly. And so again, I'd recommend that you do not focus on just one thing, but rather what combination of environmental factors will present the best stimulus to your gut to have a healthy gut, healthy gut immune system and keep you devoid of symptoms. Now, this is really quantified in Healthy Gut, Healthy You, which is the book I've recently released that walks you through how to implement all these steps. And and so hopefully that answers your question and plus gives you some actionable data to move on. And remember, there's more to your gut than SIBO as important as SIBO is and these things can occur. That's not necessarily abnormal. And if you focus on a broad holistic approach to your gut health, then you should be able to come out on top, meaning you have a minimal, if no symptoms. And if you do have an occasional regression, that's actually okay. It's not a big deal. And sometimes we just have to revisit a therapy for a bit of a touch-up and it doesn't mean anything is wrong or broken. So hopefully that helps, Mike, and hopefully this helps you get healthy and get back to your life. Thanks.