 So we will call to order this meeting of the airport commission 407, yeah. Commissioners attending remotely, can you please acknowledge your presence? Steven Dulek. Robin Gillian. Helen, really? Jeff Schulman. Ronald Blake. Excellent. You're all here today, I love it. All right, so item two is the agenda. Do I have a function to approve the agenda as presented? So moved by Greg, is there a second? Second. Seconded by Helen. Any discussion or proposed modification of the agenda? Hearing none, all those in favor of adopting the agenda as presented, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? We have an agenda. Item three is public forum. So Hannah, do you want to invite some folks up? And... First, Dan. Are they all wanting to speak? I guess, yeah, I guess we'll have a great your hand if you would like to speak at public forum. Okay, we'll go with Dan first. And I'm allowing you to talk right now. Thanks and thanks for letting me address you today. Airport Commission, my name is Dan Castragano. And have a few thoughts to share today. The first is my experience as a dad yesterday morning, about 9.30 a.m. when the F-35's ripped overhead. And I have a son who's almost two who put his hands over his ears and was crying and saying all done airplanes, all done airplanes. And for those of you who are caregivers or parents, what that feels like when you see your child being harmed and suffering and call on this body to reject V-Tang and not have them in a place where there are civilians. So that's the first thing. The second is what was just mentioned actually before public forum is that the apocalyptic smoke in New York City in the Northeast. And want to remind the commission that climate change is making wildfires more severe and more frequent. And urge all of you to take immediate climate action at the airport. So that's wildfires. And then there was an article in The Guardian. I can drop the link in the Q&A, but basically it's too late to save sea ice in the Arctic in the summer. That just came out yesterday that it doesn't even matter what we do, all of it will melt. And this is a quote from Professor Dirk Knotz from the University of Hamburg in Germany. Unfortunately, it has become too late to save Arctic summer sea ice. As scientists, we've been warning about the loss of Arctic summer sea ice for decades. This is now the first major component of the earth system that we are going to lose because of global warming. People don't listen to our warnings. Which brings me to my next point, which was on May 23rd, more than 30 of us gathered at the airport to demand immediate climate action at the airport, including the banning of private jets and private aircrafts. The worst polluters that are for the elite and that are for the ultra rich. And to take immediate climate action because of the climate emergency, and this body is not doing that. So I call on you and I urge you to immediately do that because we have to because of climate change. And then finally, Nick, this is for you. It's a question that I asked 30 days ago that you've never responded to. I copied the toque on it and then I asked you again and you still haven't responded and copied the whole city council and the airport commission. So I'll just read it out loud. And so I asked you to confirm or deny the following. And then when I'm done, I hope to hear your response today. So here's the question that I asked 30 days ago. Under federal law and under the airport's grant assurances with the FAA, a municipal airport can ban aircraft using a different method. The method would ban planes that get less than X passenger miles per gallon as measured when all seats on the aircraft are filled or X freight ton miles per gallon are unloaded to maximum weight, whichever is less than this rule would not be discriminatory and would simply apply to all planes flying out of the airport. Thank you for listening to my comments today. Thank you, Dan. Jennifer, I'm going to allow you to talk. And Jennifer, you can say your full name please so we can have that for the minutes. Hi, this is Jennifer Decker. I thank Dan for his comments and I too am eager for an answer to the question he's been waiting for an answer to. We know that Dan's son is hurting and also many other children in our community are hurting and that the F35 noise causes neurological damage and learning problems. It also interrupts many of us during our day to day life. For me personally it triggers mental health impacts and I don't understand how we can ignore the testimony of Dr. Bingham talking about psychological impacts on children. The neurology department at UVM may not be familiar to you depending on whether or not you have association with people in your life who are impacted but I worked with children and families in low income situations and towns around Chittenden County and I know a lot of people who are impacted including members of my own family and I am hopeful that you will take action because of the urgency that is clear when we really take seriously what's happening with the forest fires as well. I can't really mention VTANG without also mentioning the fact that they poisoned the Winooski River with forever chemicals and then they've recently bullied the city of Winooski into signing a memorandum of understanding saying that Winooski can't sue VTANG even though VTANG is harming people who live all around our area both by forever chemicals and also by noise pollution not to mention the moral degradation that is a unique characteristic of the United States as far as militarism goes. We were warned decades ago by Eisenhower about the military industrial complex and it has no place here in Vermont and it is really important to take action on ending the basing of the F-35s and I really like the solution that Dan is suggesting because it would be universal it would address both the lives and private jets so please take action on that. Myself, I listened to the warnings. I've stopped flying, I haven't flown anywhere since 2015. I am not a special person and I'm not better than anyone else. I'm just someone who saw the writing on the wall and decided that I didn't wanna contribute so it's confusing to me especially for those who do have children, how you're imagining your children's future. I myself don't have children and may never be certain about whether Vermont's problem with toxins was a contributing factor to that. In addition, I stopped paying taxes for war since 2008 and I have to say it feels really good and I just really wanna invite all of you to do something that might make you and our region feel really good and really ethical and very just. That might be ending the basing of the F-35 while also stopping private jets all in one swoop and today you can also say that when people push back against this decision, you can say we got tired ourselves of breathing the smoke from the forest fires that our way of life has caused. So I just wanna invite you all to do what it takes not just for yourselves to feel good but to know that your children are gonna be feeling good and that people can walk out the door in the morning and breathe the air one day and not be concerned about the impact on our health and it's something that it's time to do now. Some of us have taken steps sooner and some take steps today and some may take steps next week but it's really heartbreaking what's going on and you're all in a position to do something about it. I've spoken to this body in past years and today I really do hope that you'll hear us and please do go ahead and answer that important question that Dan asked. Thank you. Thank you, Jennifer. Great. EcoRise, allowing you to talk. Hey, can you hear me? Yes, we can. My name for the record is Jonathan Stott, spelled S-T-O-T-T. I'm logging in from my work account. I run an organization called EcoRise we're a national nonprofit. We work with a half million youth across the country on climate and sustainability leadership. One of our partners is a major airline. So I travel out of BTV. I appreciate the work you all have done to make this one of the best airports I think I've ever traveled in and out of. I lived in Austin, Texas. I've lived in New York City and certainly appreciate the work the commission's done to make BTV a great airport. So I do fly for work but I do also believe that this is a moment in time that calls for an awakening and it calls for us all to figure out how to we make the world a better place because our planet is literally on fire. And so one of the commission members I saw at the airport that she was flying through said she couldn't see, I think it was JFK she could not see across the tarmac. This is not the bad as it's going to get this is the beginning of what it's going to be a lot worse in our future. And I think there's an opportunity for Burlington and for you all as a commission and you all as individuals to think about what does it mean to be a leader that we espouse to be when it comes to our environment and our community. And I think Dan and others have put forward a potential solution which is the banning of private jets which we know have significantly much larger carbon impact than commercial aviation flights. I know you guys may be constrained especially with regards to decisions that involve the federal government and military. And I know there's certain constraints this commission faces but I would encourage you all not to hide because it's an easy out to say well there's nothing we can do. And I don't think we believe that. And I think there is something you all can do as individuals and as a commission and I would encourage you to consider what it is that you can do not what you can't do. I'd also love to hear a response from Nick regarding the question that has been posed. I think it's a really, it's an interesting question. And I think the community deserves to hear a response from Nick on what the answer is. Thank you all for the opportunity to speak today. Thank you, Jonathan. And then I leave for our class is Peter Wyman. Allow me to talk Peter. Hi everyone, thanks for listening to these comments. And yeah, my name is Peter Wyman. I'm a resident of Burlington and I just wanted to go on the record and seconding and reiterating the previous comments and just specifically urging the commission to consider ways to ban private jets at the Burlington airport. I think in a time of climate emergency it's unconscionable that we allow the ultra wealthy to indulge in luxury emissions that are just wreaking climate havoc. Thank you for listening. All right, thank you, Peter. Is that, I believe that's the public on Zoom. Do you other of you have anything you'd like to say to me? I know, I'm just here representing here at the airport. We work closely with the airport, so we want to make sure we're here and be a resourceness. All right, can Madison introduce yourself? Sure, please. Hi everyone, I'm Madison, the Econocularies Environmental Intern for the summer and I'm just trying to hear those are being far a little bit and yeah, see what everyone has to say. I'm excited to have another intern here at the airport. Excellent. All right, so we will close down public launch. We'll move on to item four. Tim, can I just say something real quick? I prefer that we wait till commissioner items for that. This is really the chance for the public to weigh in with any comments that they haven't Okay, I guess I just think it's important for the people who've spoken during public comments to understand that public comment isn't meant to be a back and forth of people. Some people have asked very specifically for response, but that's not what public comment is intended for. There's other opportunities to have that kind of interaction. And I just, I thought it was important to at least say that. Okay, that's a good point. Thank you, Jack for making that point of procedure. We have passed the motion to adopt the agenda, is that correct? Yes, but not the consent agenda. I'm just wondering, looking at the agenda, there is no place currently on there to discuss some of these items that were raised. I'm just wondering if we should squeeze this into our agenda. That's a good question. So the meeting is underway. I think that we can amend the agenda with two thirds approval of the commissioners. So if you have something that you would specifically like to propose, then we can put that to the vote of the commissioners and the five commissioners agree. We can amend the agenda accordingly. I'm willing to propose that, but first, I'm wondering if there is any expectation to address that in our statements later on. So I don't want to go over the issue twice if you were planning to address this issue. Great, I will address it in the director's report, inclusive of the reply that I've already sent back to Dan. And I'll read that reply to the commission, which I think will be important for the context of that conversation. I'm satisfied with that. Okay, thank you. So item four on the agenda is the consent agenda. Do I hear a motion to adopt the contents of the consent agenda? So moved. That's moved by Greg. Do I hear a second? Second. Second by Helen. Discussion on the contents, Nick? Yeah, real briefly. I think it's an exciting month. Excuse my voice. I am not sick. I have not been sick. I think I've been playing baseball a little bit too hard and telling people to stay alone. So exciting month. We have just over 52,000 passengers for the month of April. We're still compiling the month of May as we get the numbers from our airline partners. 12% over the last month, which is fantastic. A real indicator, of course, is the 2019 numbers, which is 96% of our 2019 numbers, 98% of our 2018 numbers. So we're just about there on our passenger growth and recovery from COVID. We're headed into the busiest months of any fiscal year in a calendar year and we're excited to see that projected seat capacity be filled. Besides those two years, this is really important for me to share. Besides those two years when we compared this month, this year to 2019 and 18, this is the highest in any other year since 2010. So we're still growing. We're still increasing our numbers and we're gonna see that for the rest of this summer. For comparison, our calendar year 2000, this calendar year to date, compared to 2019 calendar year to date, is only a couple of 1,000 passengers. 2019 calendar year to date through April is almost 207,000 passengers compared to the same time period this year, 197,000 passengers, so just shy of 200. Again, we're getting there. We're projected to end our fiscal year, June 30th, 2023, with just over 630,000 passengers for the fiscal year. And that's all recorded in those outlines that Hannah put together. Our landed weight, which for those commissioners that don't know, we track all landed weight at this airport because that's also a revenue indicator for us because we charge per 1,000 pounds of maximum gross landed weight. Our landed weight is the highest it's ever been for the month of April, 2023, by a couple of 100,000 pounds. So that's really exciting and happy to report that. I'm even happier to start recording those numbers consistently throughout the summer. Okay, a quick question about that. Nick, you mentioned the implements deal with the number of passengers and the landed weights and such, I'm wondering, is there a separation between commercial flights and private flights? So when you talk about landed weight, again, I'm struck by some of the comments that the public made and I might be wrestling with this the entire meeting because of that. Sure. So I'm trying to take some of the things that they have mentioned and sort of bring them into the meeting. So just so I have a better idea, when you talk about landed weight, does that include private jets? It does not. This report only includes air carrier operations out of the terminal, private, corporate, commercial, cargo is included in this report, but all of those other weight categories are recorded by heritage aviation, our FBO on the field, also builds and then analyzed through heritage aviation, which subsequently comes back to the airport and some revenue format. That includes the weight of those types of aircraft, private commercial, sorry, excuse me, private, corporate, small aircraft as well, general aviation and passengers as well, are not recorded in those categories on this report. I don't know if heritage records the passenger numbers on every single private aircraft that come in and out, but this report is strictly the air carrier operation. So does that mean that the landed weight of the military flights is not included either? That's correct. Military is not included on this report. You'll see a category in there, our subsection on the report itself that records every landing and takeoff. And you can see air carriers, air taxi general aviation and military operations, but we don't record the weight of those categories because we don't build exactly for those categories of operations. The categories that we build directly, which requires the intense recording of the landed weight of air carrier operations is of course the airlines itself. So that's why that's 68 million planes weight is the airlines. And so that mean, and I apologize, but I know you're fighting your voice thing and I just want to give a shout out. It's great that you are involved in Little League and I was just talking to Larry. I know that I just found out he's involved in officiating basketball. So it's great to see that our people are as busy as possible, but still doing great things for the community. But if we're not counting the landed weight and obviously a private jet is going to weigh more than a Cessna, it seems as if someone may not just out of pure weight on the airport and impact on the runway and such. It seems like perhaps they're not paying their fair share. Let me clarify. We don't, the airport record that weight heritage does and bills for that weight also. The privilege of being that fixed space operator on the field allows that to happen. And a portion of that revenue through our contract does come back to the airport. Every single aircraft except for the military aircraft that lands at this airport. The military is under a separate contract and it's exchanged with the common use facilities that we have the runway and the exchange of aircraft rescue and firefighting services. Thank you. That's all I have on pass. All right, commissioners, anything else on the consensus agenda? Seeing none, we'll move on to item five, which is action items, item 5.1. Did we vote on the consent agenda? Do we have to approve it? Thank you. Yes, I called it. Yes, so all those in favor. Thank you, Helen. All those in favor adopting the consent agenda is presented to be signified by Ms. Angi. Aye. And the post. Thank you. We will find out that item five, which is action items, item 5.1, residential sound insulation program, phase three. I'd be willing to entertain a motion to recommend approval by the Board of Finance and City Council to enter into a grant and two related contracts or phase three in the residential sound insulation program. Good evening. Great. Brandon, did you second that? Yes, thank you, Brandon. All right, discussion over. We don't have close enough to see things anymore. So, do you want me to? We've added that. I tried to add it on the inside on the agenda to under each specific item, but it's not under the action one. So for the action items today, remember has responsibility just go right away. And this is the first month of Civic Clerk. Yep. Indiana is doing an amazing job transitioning. We're one of the first departments in the city to do so. So items one, two, three, and four on the action items are all related for upcoming grants. Just going to be Larry's next to this one. Okay. So, excuse me, for this one, this grant, we have a right for the last month of grant for the construction improvements for the home sound insulation. So we're asking for those monies to pay the contractor to do that construction. So we didn't bid the project and received the lowest bidder was Strong Tower, their national firm that specializes in this. We want to sign a contract with them to do this work for those 53 homes. That's what their contract amount is within the motion. And then we want to execute a contract with the Joel's Paying Group for the oversight of this construction and design outreach and bidding of the next 50 homes that we will apply for next year. So 53 to construct, 50 to move forward to next year and accepting the money for the grant that will allow us to do that. With all of these next four items, all of these grant items, the applications for the grants have been submitted to the FA. Larry did an amazing job putting in an extensive package for each one of these together with the proper requirements. So the applications are in, it's unknown when we're actually going to receive the grant. That's why we come to you for the finance at City Council early. So when that grants come, it gets the authority to me and contract signature authority with, I forgot the name already, Strong Tower. Strong Tower, as well as Joel's Paying Group to continue this amazing work that we're doing. That's all I have on that one. Okay, commissioners, any comments or questions that are in 5.1? Go ahead, Briggs. Hi, yes. I just want to have a clarification. So on page 10 of 45 of the packet, it indicates 50 homes and on page 12 of 45, the last line before funding does 53 homes. And I just want to double check if that was a typo. Can I explain that? My apologies. Yes, okay. So the 53 homes is what we bid and receive this form of what we'll construct. And I probably should have clarified when I said approximately 50 was because that category covers the 50. We're going to approximately 50 homes that we'll be doing design for over the next year, depending on the pricing. And it's a combined 53 homes that we're currently doing. So, I mean, I could have been a little more clear saying, we're going to go for 50 homes and design it and then separate that from the 53 we're already doing. And also the construction inspection is in that number for the 53, not the 50. So it's a combination of all of that. And I guess I could clarify that a little bit better at the memo. Okay, thank you. And I received an inquiry from a resident today who was curious about how the selection will proceed with the three different towns. Do you want to take that one or I'll go ahead. So in our noise insulation implementation plan, there is a abolition or a proliferation of houses within each community that will be selected for the next round, whether it's design or the construction services. Right now, the majority of the houses within contour lines that are eligible today are within South Burlington. Once we continue our words towards the other edge of the contour line, that's when we're going to be moving more towards the Whitleston and Manuski sides because there's more dwelling units within those municipalities. Because this is still the first year that we're implementing this, we're still heavily within this areas of South Burlington. I believe there are a few Manuski residents in this package and then every year they're going to be continuing to be larger and larger disbursements throughout the three communities or communities, including for us. And once this contract is moved forward to the next step, the homes, those will be identified and we'll work through that process with regard to the higher DNL levels. And then just while I have the floor, I want to introduce Jasmine Hurley. She's in the attendee list. She's our new housing director for the city of Manuski. So she'll chime in if she has questions but just want to let you know that we have filled that role and have welcomed her to the city staff just at the end of April. So if you have questions or anything for her or similar, you just want to give a quick introduction there. Excellent. Looking forward to meeting with Jasmine. Definitely connect. And that will be very important. Thank you for the introduction. Greg, did you answer? Yes, Larry, since this is a two year project, I'm wondering what are the, are there any expectations of improvement in that contract? In other words, how are we going to evaluate the success of the program before it goes into its second year? Are there expectations in terms of the scientific sound that is reduced to a certain level? And are there some, is there an opportunity for the clients themselves to speak about the whole process? All right, so this year we're doing 16 of these homes based on the initial pilot project and really phase two, right? So we will be doing testing to ensure that we're meeting that decibel drop requirement. But the clarification, those 16 homes are not by strong tower. No, those are by Nina. They were another bidder on this project, but we're not below their another national firm. We actually, we had more competition this year in terms of pricing down to significantly. So, and we had another local firm bidding this year. So to clarify Greg's question, will there be some testing of the first round of strong tower before, round two of the strong tower? First round of Nina versus the second round of strong tower. Okay, before we go out to bid for next year's projects. Yes. So critical throughout this process that phase one, this is the pilot phase, we're going to call phase one, phase two, phase three. Phase one is going to be implemented first. So the experience of the customer, the homeowner with our contractor, with our design team, with our team internally here is going to be critical throughout this process, both on the evaluation of noise reduction measures and the experience of the actual construction, moving into phase two with strong tower and making sure that new contractor who has now not been in our community yet, making sure those 53 houses are performed at the highest possible level and the communication back and forth from the homeowner to general tower to Jones Bank Group and to ourselves is integral to making sure that we're improving every single year with the quality of work, the equality of our communication and the quality continuing move forward. That Jones Bank Group is going to be our engineer and our facilitator in the field having that direct communication on site with homeowners, with contractors and with ourselves, along with ourselves. We're going to be out there in the field. Larry will be out there. I would most definitely be out there asking for those exact comments to make sure that we are at the highest possible level in implementing this program. In my instructor report, you also see we did push back this year to construct a little bit because of an issue with one of the window manufacturers. So, yeah. An issue they went out of business so we had to try to do it. We'll go by America again. Thank you. All right, commissioner, is anything else on 501? 501. Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Posts. Carries. Now we're up to 5.02. I would be one of the annotated notes in your report. Groupal. By the Board of Finance and City Council to enter into a grant and be located to approve a grant and related contract with Sarah's Association for Design, Committee and Bidding that lays the airport snow removal and equipment building project. Very much to that. Thanks so much. Thank you, Greg. You're here. Second? Second. By Bruce. By Bruce. Okay. So this is part of the bipartisan infrastructure legislation money that the airport received. We are designing or we have gone to a first phase of figuring out how we want to move forward with the design and construction of the new snow removal equipment maintenance building. Currently the existing building is within where a lot of aircraft movement is and it needs to be moved and it doesn't have enough space for the required snow removal equipment that we have to keep housed inside. So this is a design only grant portion of what we'll be applying for next year for the construction of a new snow removal and equipment building. The site has essentially been selected and we did listen to the community especially through our rezoning requests that we went through last year with the community. We have physically moved the entire site to as far north as we possibly can adjacent the sewage receiving station and located a new site for the snow removal maintenance equipment building. All right. Commissioner, is there any discussion on that 5.2? No. Hearing none, all those in favor will be signified by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? There is a move on to item 5.3. I do like to entertain a motion to recommend approval by the Board of Finance and City Council to approve a grant related to contract oil tanner for airfield and vehicle service road improvements. So moved. Second. Moved by Greg, second by Ellen. Discussion? Airfield and service road. Airfield and vehicles. Tell me those items. Airport pavement management. Slanted. Pavement. Okay, oh, airport pavement management. Okay, all right. So, all right. Sorry about that. No problem. So this is a application, a grant application which we want to receive in the entire toil care associates to do the work. It includes the testing of all our pavement surfaces on the airfield and around the airport to determine stability and the shape they're in and the condition. It's a pavement condition index is what it is for a pavement condition number. So we can determine at what level it is and when do we have to replace it or rehabilitate it. Okay, for example, for rehabilitating taxiway alpha this year, it got below a mark of a 70. So we did that. Next year we intend to apply for a grant for the rehabilitation of our main runway. We believe that level of that is below a 70 which needs to be rehabilitated. This report is done approximately every five years and it tells us where we are. And it also tells us what weight we can, we have a certain aircraft coming in. This happens all the time. It could be a military ever just determining that, you know, our runway, our taxiways can handle that weight. So it's an update of the plan. Helps us significantly financially with our capital plan too. So there you can look at those indexes, those capabilities and then we can start programming our five and 10 year replacement plans. Great. Mr. has any discussion on item 5.3? Nope. Mary Gowell is in favor of placing the final saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Item 5.4, cargo apron design. So I will, a lot of talking today. Motion to recommend approval by the Board of Financial City Council to approve a grant in a related contract with Boil Tanner for planning, designing, permitting and bidding to expand the existing cargo apron through your motion effect. So that's been moved by Greg. Second. Second by Helen. Okay. So this again is a design only grant application in which we're asking once received, we can sign it and then enter a contract with Boil Tanner to do the design. We have interest right now. We have, obviously the big FedEx aircraft 747 that come in here. And there are multiple other planes. 57. 57, I'm sorry. Yeah, you're right. Okay, good point. Anyway, multiple other planes that carry in cargo by another large cargo company. There's interest to bring in a larger plane with that cargo. And that's why we want to expand the cargo years and also from a site standpoint, it'll keep all that activity in one area versus now it's not just in that one area. We will bid it and then in our CIP a couple of years down the road, we'll apply for the money to build it. That's what this is. It's just strictly for the design of this project. All right, commissioners, any discussion? Just one question for me, sir. That carrier that it's thinking of bringing in a larger plane, is this like the only thing that they would need is expansion of the apron and it would be ready to go or is there anything else in there, et cetera? It does need to be a larger conversation and evaluation of what is needed and what is or could be eligible specifically for federal funding. Meaning we can't have an exclusive spaces for carrier one, carrier two, carrier three. So we have to really look at and identify a common use facility for any carpenter to come into. Very hard to do that because you have a significant amount of grounds, port equipment that handles that plane right at that location. And then the next day, if it's over here, it's very, very difficult to do that for the building and the equipment and things like that. So really what Larry's talking about is we have multiple cargo operators out of this airport, typically hired or contracted by the major carriers, usually UBS and FedEx. We really want to consolidate that to alleviate some of the pressures that right now are on air to JVAsion, get that off of the general aviation ramp to allow greater flexibility there and focus on a common use cargo facility, apron building and grounds for equipment in this one location. So long answer to your question, but yes, it needs to be more evaluated as part of. This also brings the aprons up. That's right. And we want to be prepared. We need to be prepared. We have significant cargo operations right here. We're the only airport that really would allow this to happen except smaller feeder aircraft coming in and out. And they do are on the state and they're on the region, but we want to be that hope for this operation. Okay, thank you. Does that kind of continue to help us be as shovel ready as possible as grant opportunities come along? I mean, that's kind of our playbook, right? That's right. We have to be shovel ready. The best part, and I believe this is the first grant that we've received for design only. I believe it is. And typically we come to you with bids in hand, like all of these other grants, we designed it and bid it. Now we're coming to you that we've submitted an application and that was our shovel ready stance where we're spending the money, the funds upfront to get to a bid. We have not spent it, we've spent a little bit, but relatively we have not spent the funds to get anywhere near a bid because the FAA has allowed us now to go after design only grants. This is going to save our cash flow significantly and there's a lot of pressure from the entire team on FAA to say, we don't want to design and then ask for grant funding. We want FAA to fund the design and then we'll come back with the structure. So in both scenarios, exactly what you just said about shovel ready in both scenarios. In the SRD building this app is designed for the first round, we've never really done it, but you got to also think about the housing program and it's similar to that. It's similar too. Yep. All right, commissioners, any other discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor be signified by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Those carries. Move on to item 5.5. I'd be willing to entertain a motion to recommend to the Board of Finance and City Council to enter into a contract with the Board of Enterprise for badging and security software. So moved. So moved by Greg. Well second. By Collin. Okay. Sure. So this is a contract with the Lord Enterprise and they are a company that provides what's called a software service. And we have approximately 1800 badges, site of badges, which is secure identification display area badges so we have to not only issue initial badges, but also recurring badges, moving, tribe training, all these different things that are incorporated in the process of badging the employees or anybody that has a badge for the airport. So because we have so many of these badge holders, what this actually does is it takes all of our, because we have to draw all of these different sources, FBI background check, TSA background check, and we have to basically draw those into our system. And what this will do, this will streamline this greatly, allowing us to be more efficient, allowing us to focus on other areas of the airport that currently will kind of bog down and badging office doing. So this will help us greatly. It allows us to digitize everything, all of the badging that we do for all 1,800 of the badge employees involves a fuller that happened instead of a lot of them. And this will actually allow us to eliminate all of that, that paper allows us to digitize all of it. So, and then also allows us to go, have regulatory compliance in terms of auditing all the paperwork to make sure everybody is in compliance. When we go for TSA or an FA inspection, we can make sure everybody is in compliance. So, this is a $48,600 per year for a five-year term. The first year is a little bit more because it involves the initial setup for the software. Typically we wouldn't bring anything under $50,000 to the commission, but because this is a recurring expense, this is why it needs to go through commission for the finance and city council. Okay, Bryn. Yeah, I just had a question. Is a 20% contingency standard? What is the 20% contingency? Do you have a 20% contingency mention? It's 20% contingency in case we run into any kind of hardware upgrades that are part of the process because a lot of times we, you know, over the course of the five years, we may incur, you know, like a fingerprint reader or something like that that may be not really planned, but want to make that build that in as a 20% contingency as part of this contract. And I was just curious if that was, if 20% was standard for something like this? Yeah, this is definitely going to be a brand new system for us. So, we are unsure exactly what we're going to need, like Dave said. Typically on the construction projects, we usually are asking between the 15 and 20% contingency on those unknown elements. Okay, thanks. Great. Dave, since this involves security, I'm wondering, and I'm not sure you're the person to ask here, but I guess I am asking you, how would you assess our security in terms of our entire hardware system, our data system? In other words, is there some sort of periodic review on that? How would you assess our system? Well, it's good that you asked because we actually are the process of the TSA. We're going through an assessment process to figure out where we are when it comes to the overall security of our system. Everything that we have is offline. So when it comes to actual badging, badgers themselves, that's secure as far as we know, but we're still the process of going through that assessment with TSA as well as city IT as well to make sure that we are secure. Is there an anticipated time when that assessment would be, is that like a year to sort of review that? So what TSA has, we actually went through the process with them and we had to give them certain deadlines that we anticipated being either in compliance, but research to make sure that we are as secure as we can. My answer was going to be, we are the best of the best. We have an amazing security system and an even better airport security manager and coordinator as well as the team behind Dave. So we're doing everything from continuous random checks. We check for badges, but also for prohibited items. Dave's team does it. In fact, Dave and I had a pretty happy conversation this afternoon about how we're constantly being pressured by Homeland Security and the Department of Transportation Security Administration on improvements, but that's not necessarily a bad thing because I think we're already extremely high on what we do and we're always being brought to the next level. There are many, many, many updated and mandated regulatory changes that are coming in and we call those unfunded mandates because they require them, but there's no funding to actually accomplish them, unless we have to. So there are so many elements, not just the physical ones that you see from the badging security camera systems, but also the interaction that Dave and his team really do every single day. Not just in this terminal, although we focus much of our attention here, but on every gate, on every door, on every fence line, and the security of wildlife you can come to this airport. So it happens continuously. Yes. Thank you. Steven. Yeah. Can you hear me okay? Yes. Okay. I was just wondering, does the Burlington Security protocol have to take care of the security of the TSA workers, the badging of the TSA workers or is TSA responsible for that? We actually do TSA employed as well. We do provide those badgings to TSA employees. So it depends where in the airport they have to be, not all the TSA employees, but a good portion of that. So that adds a little bit of import that you make sure your security badging system is up to TSA standards. Thank you. Thank you. Anything else commissioners on the site? Mary Nala was a favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed. We now move on to item 5.6. I am going to entertain a motion to recommend to the Board of Finance City Council to approve the budget amendment as presented. So move on. Greg, is there a second? Second. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You know, discussion. So this, this is a little bit of housekeeping on the particular grant. So this is the new terminal, the terminal integration project that solidated TSA. That we built. And we opened it. This grant. We had was budgeted over multiple years. It was a multiple year project. We did have some change orders that were all with us. We had a budgeted budget. We had a budgeted budget. We had a budgeted budget. So this was a multiple year project. That this scope. Size of nature. And as just. When I created the budget last year. I have to make some assumptions ahead of time. How much are we going to finish spending last year? And then how much do I think we'll carry into the New Year. And I did not put quite enough money into the project. We have just barely finished. The finalizations of reviewing all of the costs. And the chain orders have come through from the. contractor. And so now I want to come forth and make the budget appropriate for the project, but it's just the whole overall authorization that we got initially with this project is we had approval for the scope and any changes that we have. And so that was fine, but it's just the actual budget we had for this particular year. So that is what I'm seeking to change today. Thank you, Marie. Do you have any questions or comments? Nope. Hearing none, all those. Sorry, I do have a question. So this is the one where you're adding both grant money in one column and expenses in another column? Correct. Is that right? So my limited budgeting understanding, normally when it's budget neutral, you add one column, but you've taken away from a different column. Here, it seems like you're adding in two columns. Right. So I have two ways to budget my balance. The balance, my budget, I didn't say that right. So one of the ways are I have to keep my revenues and my expenses must equal. So in this case, that's what's happening here. I have the largest part of this grant is actually funded through the largest part of this project is funded through eligible grant loans. And so that is what we see here, amending federal revenue. But with a portion of that being like a local share, and then I have the expenses. So my expenses are going up, my revenues are going up, and they're balanced. Sometimes if it's just expenses, sometimes different times, I might bring something where I'm just simply adjusting one expense to another expense. But in this case, I'm equally increasing my expenditures and my revenues and that balance is they have to, I have to have a funding source. Does that make sense? Like answer your question. Well, I'm still wondering where this extra revenue came from. We have the opportunity with with the federal programs of the FAA to get additional monies through the FAA for this particular grant. And so that is what we are seeking with the FAA. That's what we're able to do. That's one of the one option contingencies to when we request those grants is that that's one of the reasons we keep a 15% contingency specific with an FAA grant because the FAA does the project cost to exceed the 15% with full change which is what these are. So this is an additional grant revenue coming to the area. It's a little confusing when I have, when there is a project that stands multiple years, if you were to look and add all of those budget, it looks like you could potentially spending this much in a year and this much in another year as opposed to not just a project, if it was just a project, budget that could cross years, we wouldn't have to come back like this. We would be all straight from the get go. But the way that the city does it is each and every year, I have to have a specific budget for that, what we could potentially spend. So that's why it's a little bit of a housekeeping mechanism at this point for us to do that. Thank you. All right, commissioners, any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? And lastly, for the action, we have 5.07. I would entertain a motion to recommend to the Board of Finance and City Council to enter into a contract with SDR-Land as well as a related as well as to recommend approval related budget amendment for repaving a portion of the airport circle. We're going to hear a motion on that. Let's move by Greg to hear a second. Seconded by Jeff. Discussion? Sure. So this includes the cost to repay the airport circle from the airport drive on the south end to 50 feet beyond the north skywalk to include taxi lane. So you'll have, when you have in our pass through a nicer, smoother ride rather than the bumpy one, they have now. It's going to look beautiful. Can I weigh it? And no more crack sealing, which if you look at it with significant what they use, but crack sealing and so you'll see the possible pieces out there. And this is going to build that out and repay it for the future. That'll be done this month. Good pair of questions. Steve. Thanks. When was it last paved? I don't know. I don't know the exact date or most likely between 15 and 20 plus years ago. The new paving is expected to last how long? I'd say 10, 15 years. We've gone beyond what it should be. And that's another reason we do this payment management plan or update. Greg? Yeah, I was curious if, it doesn't say here, but curious if this will need line striping and if SDI Ireland is providing that service or if somebody else will be providing that service. No, our main and staff is excited to get it done ourselves. We have, we paint all, just about everything out on our airfield ourselves and we have the capability and expertise to have a privilege to do it ourselves. So Larry's not joking. Our maintenance team is extremely excited to paint this themselves. They're used to this and when you're coming in, we just paid building six over there and they did the nicest job line striping and it just improved that whole place in there. Awesome. Well, if there is opportunity for the city of Winooski to hire you, let me know. I was just going to say the same thing because line painters are in short supply in this interesting way. Actually, I was going to mention that since we're talking about line striping, so is there any going to be any reconfiguration of the lanes or will it be as it is? Because one of the things I've noticed is that the three left lanes all merge by the time you get to the parking which I always thought was an odd layout. But yeah, it's kind of, I mean the width allows for those four lanes specifically in that short section there. The far left lane, the fourth lane, if you were a 1-2-3-4, I mean rarely gets used except for a bypass and then you're right, it merges just right back in the garage or going into the two lanes to get out of the circle. The reason really is, and also I think in the test buds, more recently Marie, the first two lanes, especially at 10, 11 in night, will get very, very crowded with pickups, allowing those two bypass lanes to remain there and set a decrease to a three lane system. And especially in that area, that's where it's really important. Just looking at the components of this project, is there any effort early on to sort of control runoff? Obviously it's a paved area, there's a lot of automobiles, we're always from the lake but everything goes to the lake. I'm just wondering is that going to happen early on? Is that going to happen afterwards? Is that Madison's internship project? She had been more informed on the airfield to consider those type of things, she's doing. However, out there it goes to the city of South Brooklyn system, of which we are working in partnership with them to establish infiltration systems actually on airport property that we are leasing to South Brooklyn for years to implement that first flush of dirty water. That's a whole big picture and it also helps out with the MS-4, which is the Champaign Valley Basin system. Everybody has to work towards that. Do you have anything to add to what you mentioned yesterday or like that? So there's a whole plan along with two systems along Airport Drive from the South Brooklyn system that will infiltrate the first flush. We've leased one of them to them and we're going to do another lease of another area to build those chambers in the ground. All right, commissioners, any further discussion? All right, hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? I'm curious, item 5.6, we now move on to item 6.1, which is the construction update. I don't have much to add other than everything I've already said. We've been busy getting those grant applications in. I think that brings us up to seven this year in this federal fiscal year. That's the last of the grant applications this year. It's been a good year, a good application year. We've got a lot teed up for early next year with regard to the terminal, the rehabilitation of taxi runway 1533, all that's in the works for next year application. So I have nothing more to add unless there's any questions other than what I put the report. I mean, the big thing over the last, since the last report was getting those grant applications in and moving them forward. All right, commissioners, any comments or questions? No, just my dog is barking. That's all. She's in favor. Thank you. I have a question. Go ahead. So Larry, in a couple of places in your report, there's a distinction between passenger boarding bridges and gates. Okay, great. Okay, I think I know what you're talking about. So what happened? We are currently, when you came in, you saw the new passenger boarding bridges being installed. Okay, if I'm thinking of what you're trying to ask, is initially we call that gate 12 because it was consistent with the way it was set up with the current concourse. We have since renamed that to gate nine. Does that explain is that what you're looking for? Now there are a couple of places where the grant covers five gates and six passenger boarding bridges. Oh, okay, that's okay. I'm wondering what the difference is. Okay, so that's another whole grant application that we were working towards, where 30% design potentially on the North concourse replacement project. That includes additional passenger boarding bridges in that one. If that's what you're asking. I think there is a distinction. There's the PDV, the passenger boarding bridge, which is the actual jack bridge, the physical system from building to the aircraft. And then there is the gates, which could be defined as the old room space, the seating. There's a very specific calculation of what square foot it would be approved and eligible for grant for this particular grant, which is our north terminal expansion. It really depends because we do use sometimes some interchangeable gates and passenger boarding bridges, old room, and even the parking positions for the aircraft, depending on what is eligible and not eligible in that particular project. It will be my attempt to change anything that says jet bridge to passenger boarding bridge in this report. I see what I did. Okay, it's interchangeable. And also, I didn't change gate 12 to gate, and we're now calling it gate nine, but initially it was gate 12. So we'll be calling it passenger boarding bridge for a while. Larry, I noticed that maybe it's been, or it just caught my eye this month, but there's a lot of things that close out within progress. And I'm just curious is that because we have just so many more projects that there's more, or is that closeout process taking longer? Well, we had a few years, last couple years or four years of being very aggressive and getting a lot of grants all at the same time. All right. So we have a close amount of four years. Okay. And by the time we get through all these projects, it's two, three, four years. And Marie is after me every day. Get these things close. Because they hold 10% of the monies until we close those grants out to before we receive that back. But it's just because we have done a lot of grants and at the same time over the last four or five years, and it's coming, all those are coming closer. Okay. So it's not like slowness and getting the response back. There are two. Okay. So we get separate grants for reimbursable agreements. That's with FAA TechOps. Okay. And FAA TechOps has a history of not closing their projects out so we can't close ours out. So what happens is if they don't close their project out, we can't close out the big project that we're doing. And they're holding on 10% of our money. We said, okay, let's get two grants. It wants the reimbursable agreement and one for our big project. That way, the little money that TechOps costs us, that's not pulling us getting millions back. Okay. Yeah. I think also what Larry is saying is thank you for approving the reorganizations. And we do have a new hiring plan. Yes. Yeah. So we have made an offer and he's accepted it and he'll be starting on June 6th. So we'll have an associate airport engineer, especially with everything here every month, what we were doing. And also the environmental stuff takes a lot. So it's just a project. Sorry. Mr. Is there anything else for Larry? All right. We'll move on to item 7, which is the financial update from Marie. Thank you. And I wanted to report on the April, the revenues and expenses that we have for April, the revenue recovery metrics for April, and then got into the banking balances through May and our grant receivable through May. So no real changes with the stimulus grants to report. We are carrying over, currently we're carrying over sort of the ARPA, the last of the ARPA money into the upcoming, we'll say the upcoming, the fiscal year 24 budget, we budgeted for those monies to use that year. Our year-to-date revenues are, do we play well actually through April? They're $22.6 million dollars. That debt, we drew down the school's money to $175 million this year. The operating revenues, including excluding the grant, increased about three and a half million dollars since last year. So for the first 10 months of the year, we have much higher revenues across the board, particularly if you look at the revenue recovery, you're going to see everything. The PFCs are not quite at 100 percent yet, and that's just because it's related to the passenger volume, but it's getting closer and closer, but everything else is over 100 percent. So our parking revised revenues, we continue to hit, recognize actually for each month the last few months we've hit for each in the garage revenues. The car rental concession revenues have then continued to be very, very strong. So all of those revenues are contributing to our higher revenues that we're seeing. It'll be expected, I'll just continue. So I think that is a good thing for us for expending. Our expenses, $13.2 million dollars, we're certainly spending, we will spend more of this fiscal year than we have the past few years. We really tightened our belts because of COVID and slowed things down, but there's a number of things. We started operating the QTA. So this fiscal year, 23, we'll have a full year of the QTA operating. And so that is driving the revenue. There's expenses to pay for it. There's revenues to pay for that. We get some reverse like the fuel is a pretty big over half a million dollars, but we get reimbursed 100 percent of the car rental coming. So there are some things that make everything a little higher by the expenses. And now we are doing more repair maintenance, the garage replacement plan of the lighting and the fire alarm system is very actively underway. We have sections in a different section, but if you were to go through the regular garage, you would see that the yardings are actively closed off on the first, second, third floor, the sub seven parts of the garage. So we have crews in there every single day during the work week that are actively working on that project and go on for about 15 months. So we're starting to look at and see those invoices come through. And there's other things. You're seeing these payment projects coming in. We've been able to get more things done this year because we've had a healthy year for revenues and we're also able to, we see that some things just need to get fixed and they've sort of deteriorated. We wanted to make sure that we're keeping up all of those things for the safety standpoint. So some we have to do and then some we're doing just because it's they're they've reached their use point. The our cash continues to be very strong. We had over six million dollars in our airport checking account. So we continue to keep a healthy bank balance in there, which is allowing us to do all of our projects, everything without running into any tightness of our money. And we are always in communication with the FAA in terms of we have two very large AIC receivables that we have other scattered ones just because we have so many grants. So those are all sort of a bit of a moving target, but anything we're waiting for another another grant that should be issued to amend tax the taxiway golf phase two. There's a lot of money in that we're expecting that in the FAA timeline. So that should be coming hopefully sooner than later. And so we're there are a few that are outstanding out there, but they're for specific reasons. But that's what I have to report healthy. I think things are very healthy here right now. And I don't see any concerns very happy to report that. Michelle, any questions for Marie? Yeah, I was just curious if there's any of the COVID clawback money that was in the debt ceiling agreement and or any other impacts on our federal dollars that you're aware of? That's a great question. So obviously that just got cast. I'm listening to a webinar on that particular thing. And we're of course, you know, you're sensitive and always monitoring. We want to be certain we have been we have been very mindful of how we have spent this money and been able to stretch it out a couple of years in very intentionally, you know, to help us with what we need to do here. But we're mindful of that. If there are any changes or anything out, I can assure you that we have plenty of eligible expenditures that would that we would be able to, you know, we have to change our timing of our drawdown requests or anything like that. We should do what was in of course, you know, that's interest of the airport. So we'll do that. I don't know if you it's just so new, we haven't really heard anything. It is so new. I think we are diligently healthy, sustainably, expending those funds. And this year, our plan is to complete those funds with those eligible costs, so that we are caught up on our different maintenance like Maria was talking about. We are sustainable on our salaries. And we no longer need these funds after that, which is important. And prior to any call back side. Great. Thank you. All right. Commissions anything else for Maria? Move on to IMA, which is noise information. That's yeah. So we had a six hundred and fifty three comments total. In our running consecutive total. So twenty twenty seven from last month. We have the heat map posted. And I noticed that I had an issue of you posting the two pie charts that I usually have up here. So apologies as I navigate this new system. And we'll have that posted after this meeting. We'll repost the packet so that that shows the breakdown of the comments by aircraft and comments by town. And that's all I have. Missers anything for Hannah? No. We move on to item nine, which is the director's report. Oh, sorry. Well, I'm just sort of wondering if as we start to move forward with the noise abatement program, if is there any way with your tracking mechanisms to determine if some of those complaints in the past from those people sort of are extinguished or no longer complaints in that particular area? Or is that is that sort of sort of narrowing it down too much? Are you talking about specific areas? Yeah. I don't know if we would want to do that necessarily because from an interior perspective, that may be very interesting in getting that perspective. But I think if there were any within that 65 or any of the eligible spaces, I don't know. I think it would be too specific, too specific. I don't know if we would want to do any investment into the property with that type of scenario. But I'm just thinking that that would be one metric. If people in that area, I don't know if maybe it's too granular, but if people in that immediate area were generating a lot of complaints and those complaints sort of abated afterwards, that would be one metric to whether things were successful. Yeah, that's absolutely interesting. And we can definitely see that there are only a few, which I can count right there. One, two, three, four, five on the south, Burlington, six on the south, but so I think especially when we work in Willis-Tonkowski that metrics might be very important. I have a question. Can you just refresh my memory about the sound committee? I see that that seems to have discontinued in 2020 or website updates seem to have discontinued in 2020. Can you just remind me if that was planned, if that's coming back? I think I got most of the question talking about the sound committee, the technical and regional advisory committees related to ending in 2020. So no, we have not had any sound committees committing meetings since that last posting one. We are planning to bring that back this year, especially because of this kind of happening, noise monitors, and an update to our noise exposure map, all of that all happening at the same time. So having our regional technical and our community meetings as well will all be brought back this year. I think we're scheduled our first meeting probably closer to August at this time. Thank you. One thing that I'll add and I'm adding it to Hannah as we speak, I think it would be really interesting to overlay our noise contour map on this noise comment map and heat map. So then we can start seeing our, here's where the map is and the related information. Right, commissioners, anything else for Hannah? Excellent. I do have a robust report for you today on various items, including some of the public comments from earlier. First, thank you again for your reconformation of me this Monday. I was reconfirmed at the city council meeting for another year. So you have me for at least a year. So again, thank you very much for your support with that. Quick traveling update. We got a couple of events happening throughout the next couple of months, including Sunday, Hannah and I are on the road. We're going to Milwaukee at a conference that's called Jumpstart. We are meeting with eight airlines to encourage them to either grow here in Burlington or start growing here in Burlington. It's a really robust, both conference and one-on-one meetings with these airline network planners. These are the folks that actually plan to be at an airport. Really looking forward to that. I'm on the radar just on that. How many of those eight, how many word give-aways do you see versus requests we make to people? Or does it work out both? So we don't know who's requesting us and either do the airlines to know if we're requesting them or to tell both of ours to match. So they are requesting us, we are requesting them and then we have matched to meet with them. It's like online dating. I'm also really excited to share that. I was invited to speak at an upcoming conference in November. It's called the International Airport Summit. It's about capacity constraints and growing airline markets. This conference is in London and I'm happy to report that I'm going to be headed over there to speak at the conference in November again. So I'll definitely report as the time goes on and certainly report afterwards, but very excited to do that. Maybe more exciting on my vacation next week. So Dave will be filling in just in case anybody is looking for me. Construction season, we are full form. Larry, I think everybody really talked touch base about it. So thank you specifically Larry and Dave out on the airfield. Very complex systems out there, specifically with Taxiway Alpha, new general aviation ramp. It's going to be kicking off probably around the same time that we meet next. The new asphalt work, not just on this, but the previous work that you proved at the last meeting. Some of that has been completed. You're going to see a lot of new pavement out there, parking garage lighting improvement that Marie was talking about. Ian, the signage plan that Han has been working on make a one-way path within our parking garage. So that parking garage experience is going to look very different by the end of the summer with signage, lighting, one-way pass, additional parking. It's really going to look fantastic and I can't wait for that. Project Next, which is this project, the North Expansion Term. We're making really great progress. We're at 30% design right now. I do still have the request on our future action items to present that. We just presented this to the mayor today. We received our approvals and we're going to be going out to bid on this project probably within the next 30 or 60 days for construction manager at risk process. Trying to get that contractor on hand, forward hand to help us finish the design work. They were ready to save costs. That's a project earlier. We could be shovels in the ground with everything working in our favor, including funding, timing, design, by spring of 2024 at the earliest and permanent is a huge one. At the earliest. We really were looking at late 2024. This is going to bring our timeline up a little bit, which is really, really exciting. Community conversations. We've been having great conversations with the city of South Burlington, specific on maintaining and growing the green space across the street, while also realizing what the airport needs for additional opportunities to develop hangers and additional spaces in appropriate locations. We're continuing to work with South Burlington on the city plan that's being drafted right now in South Burlington and being really incorporated within that plan and our future endeavors here at the airport. Amazing collaboration with their department and our department and really looking forward to that city plan and the next steps that come with that included our landscaping plan in our multi-use bike path, which we're going to be proposing. We're going to be holding a public meeting to share that more details of that public pathway in the next month or so, which would be a very binding, long walking, biking path from the existing Kennedy Drive path where it ends all the way to existing pathways in the woods of South Burlington to really encourage the use of the property while still again looking at what we would need in the future for the other areas of that land. We had a really great job there here recently. Thank you, Hannah and Jillian. I'm not sure everybody knows Jillian Waite. This is Jillian Waite. She works with us in our office and they hosted a job fair right here on the message for all of our airline partners, all rental partners, concessionaires. We had a really great turnout. I heard gobobbers were made on the spot with some of the airlines, so to me that's fantastic. We did a lot of marketing for that, so that was a complete journey. If you're interested, I was on a couple of radio shows recently. The Morning Drive with Kurt Wright and Anthony, I don't know his last name. Kurt and Anthony share the Morning Drive. Great conversations about the future of the airport and the growth and the passengers. I was also this Monday, I was on with WTB, which was more central Vermont area. Again, talking about the airport and the growth and I could certainly share the links to that as well. Community connections. We had some conversations with some of our neighbors and community partners at the public forum this evening. I do want to reiterate that Mr. Castro Gano did email me some time ago. He did have some email exchanges and I responded in very detailed information on exactly what is and is not allowed to be performed. His question was related specifically to banning certain aircraft and banning certain aircraft that didn't meet certain thresholds. I think it's really important that you have this. I will share this with you all afterwards and for the public record, I will read this to you as well. The airport cannot prohibit private planes from operating at the airport. The city receives significant federal grant funding and pursuant to statutory requirements incorporated into its agreements are grants. With the federal aviation administration, we must remain available for public use on reasonable conditions and without unjust discrimination, quoting a direct line from the law. The FAA explains that this requirement extends to all types, clients and classes of aeronautical activities. FAA grant assurance 22A, under these requirements, the city cannot legally deny use of airport facilities to any aeronautical operator based on its identity or ownership. This applies to both commercial air carriers, general aviation, military and any other aircraft of any type. The city also cannot control whether, when, any specific flight lands or departs, as that is solely within the jurisdiction of the FAA, specific to time of day controlling when an aircraft comes around. Failure to comply with these requirements could subject the city to serious consequences, including lawsuits from aeronautical users, loss of all federal funding and civil penalties. We cannot ban any aircraft for any reason flying in or out of this aircraft. This was responded to Mr. Castro-Dono on May 4th. He followed that email with alternative requests, but the response is identical to that. I do want to move on to the next topic, which was a fantastic meeting with the FAA regional administrator, Colleen de Alessandro. I got it. She is from the Burlington, Massachusetts office and her region is, of course, New England. Actually, more specifically, is Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont. She joined us, met with both Air Traffic Control ourselves to talk about our operations. She was unaware that we were the second busiest airport in her region outside of Boston Logan, which was fantastic. We talked about finances, we talked about the growth, the need for our passenger experience and our passenger old room space. Really fantastic, fantastic meeting with her. The Patrick Leahy Burlington International Airport now has a new consultant. Hannah and I published a request for qualifications to bring in a consultant to bring us into our new brand and our new brand identity and, of course, our new name. BTB will always remain BTB. We will stay with that, of course, as that is our federal designator, but this new company called 4ix9ine, one word, I believe 4ix9ine. They're a local branding company. We received 15 or 16 highly qualified companies that wanted to join us on this rebranding effort from around the country. We really felt it was important to keep it local. Somebody that understood our climate and our culture and what we wanted to really look for in a local but also in our brand identity. You're not going to see this contract come to you because it is a relatively smaller contract, but you're going to see this whole entire branding process come to you with, hopefully, the culmination of a new brand being presented and celebrated at an event later this summer so that we can unveil this new brand, new logo, and hopefully a new front sign for our airport. Very excited to start that process. Can I just interrupt and ask what the budget for that is? Right now we're at $47,000 for the rebranding. That does not include some of the physical elements, including the front brand sign, which will be an additional cost. And then, of course, as the year goes on, we'll start implementing the physical signs like on our doorway and those types of that on our podium. So those costs are not incorporated then. I don't have a budget yet, but through this process we're going to determine is over the course of this year 2024. Just a quick update on the reorganization and the changes with additional staff. Like Larry said, he has a new associate airport engineer coming at the end of June. Very excited to welcome Kurt. I don't know what the status is. I thought it was accepted, but anyways, that position was posted, lots of interviews, and we selected and offered a position to to somebody, and we're expecting him to be here at the end of the month. Dave also started the process on hiring two new manager positions that would report to Dave, both the operations and the airfield manager. Lots of very competitive applications for both of those positions. And now the work starts with lots of interviews and analysis on who those managers would be into second round interviews with the next step. He's also done many interviews for an additional maintenance worker that was added as part of our reorganization. So we're adding one additional maintenance worker to the team. The director of innovation recently closed that closed last week. We received almost 20 applications for that 14 qualified candidates. And we're narrowing that down and starting those interviews over the over the next few weeks. And hopefully, we'll introduce you to that person in our August meeting. If everything goes well, I'll restore some effort. The deputy director of aviation administration position, not as many applicants. So we've extended that to the end of June. We also advertise that nationally a little bit a little bit more. So we're hoping to receive additional applications for that. Once that position is filled, you remain to manager positions with reports to this deputy director would then be advertised. I really want to hire this deputy director prior to the managers that report to them. Otherwise, I think it's incredibly successful, very fast. We're moving right into exactly what we were hoping to do. And we're eager and excited to bring people on to the team. A lot of candidates, which is fantastic. Last two quick items for the future. We're going to welcome Aline Dale Sanfros, deputy regional administrator in just a couple of weeks at the end of June. Ken, no, I believe, as I pronounce it, he'll be joining us for the same thing, a tour of the airport or of the fire department tour of air track control of beta. They're very interested in learning about that as well as joining us for some action items or safety action items that we do annually. So it's a nice way of really reviewing our regional administration staff. We don't really work with them that often. Generally, there's different branches of the FAA regional administrator and the airport's division regional director. We mostly work with the airport's division. So this is this is really the first time that I'm aware that they visited us, which is great. And then just a quick reminder, I know you and I have talked about it Tim, in the first meeting of July, it's a reorganizational meeting for you all. So we'll make sure that on the agenda we have that appropriate format. That is all I have for you today. Unless there's any questions. No. Nick, I'm glad to hear that you responded to Dan's email earlier on. And wondering, I don't mean to speak for him. He's certainly capable of that. And there were many others that expressed their heartfelt opinions also. And although he did use the word banny, I do think that there could be consideration of some sort of more management techniques that are involved in that. What those are, I don't know. Because this is really the first time I'm hearing this. But I mean, obviously we know the impacts of the detrimental side of the things that he was talking about. And we have even talked about them ourselves. And I also know that we invoke taxes on a lot of planes that come here. And I'm just wondering if, and we use that money for a lot of different things. And I'm just wondering if it's something that we could consider as a team, something that assesses those planes that do have an inappropriate impact by flying a few number of people. And maybe that tax is very nominal if you're only flying once. But if people are flying in 20 times a year on a jet plane with one or two passengers, then there are consequences to that that don't are much greater than just a normal plane that has 150 people. I don't know how to express it other than the fact that I do think that I did feel what he was saying that the time to act is now and that we can be a leader in that process. Again, I'm just speaking in very general terms. I have no idea how it would work. But what you quoted in terms of banning, I agree with. I mean, that you can't ban interstate travel. But I do know from my background in law that you can make reasonable time, place and manner restrictions. And I do think that it would be worthwhile, innovative and helpful if we tried to look into perhaps some time, place and manner restrictions or tax incentives. We tax all sorts of things to change people's behavior. And people can come to Vermont, they just might need to drive rather than fly a jet that only brings themselves and maybe one or two. And I'm not asking for a response on that. I'm just sort of blabbing in response to what I felt from public comments. Thank you. I think a significant amount of legal research would have to go into this. Because whether it's a ban or a restriction on aviation activity, we could be in the same realm of what I quoted there. So I think really we would need to understand that. I think we also should also look at that fee structure for implementing on things that we can control. And I appreciated one of the comments you're saying that like building, this new building that we're building, we're looking at embodied carbon, we're not going to be pouring as much, you know, adding steel and adding as much concrete, we're looking at lumber to get rid of the carbon process of creating these materials. We're also going to be building a geothermal underneath of this facility to completely cool and heat the building. Those are the things that we can control from aviation or aircraft point of view. What else can we control? We can try to encourage the growth of sustainable aviation fuels right here at the airport. And we can work with our partners that heritage aviation that supplies and so that we can use that fuel and reduce that carbon emissions immediately fulfilling the FAA's goals of a 2030 goal of implementing this sustainable aviation fuel. I don't know if we can incorporate that in. So I think I appreciate that because I think there maybe there is some ways to create either a revenue source specific to carbon emissions. But I think it's it's incredibly challenging and there's case studies all over the place of banning reducing or in any way discouraging an aeronautical use on a federally funded. Yeah, I just I understand that and really appreciate that, Nick. But I also think it might be helpful to share if we can develop some metrics that we can collect some data about fossil fuel savings and some of the ideas that you outlined in terms of new buildings and really make that an important communication with the public that there are things we can control and there are things that we can't and we are measuring these and really trying our darnedest to reduce our carbon footprint to the extent that we can. I mean maybe just getting numbers from heritage about how many more gallons of this better fuel is being sold and kind of keep that in the forefront of being responsive to climate change and brag about if you will or report on what we're doing. That's right. And you know we don't have to solve the whole world's problems but we can show this is what we're doing and I'm in and I'm sure it will identify areas where we could do more but that's how you get better. And to your point Helen we do and are working with VHB consultants to understand our sustainability and our carbon emissions goals. Donnie was here a couple months ago I can't remember exactly when reporting on our data collected so far and and but that's just the start right that'll continue to be reported to you the community and incorporated into both buildings, vehicles, aircraft, school sales and that's that's absolutely an ongoing process. Go ahead Bryn. Yeah I mean I agree with Helen. It'd be great to see something on the website as part of the menu that talks about climate goals and just highlighting the work that you are doing. So I think it's not a matter of I think you are already doing a good amount of work and putting a lot of thought into it and it's a matter of just documenting it and putting in a place where folks can can learn about what the efforts are, what's already been done and accomplished, what's underway, and just have that be something that you can highlight on the website. Thank you Bryn. Sure. I'd just like to chime in. We are working very hard and have been in negotiations with our fuel supply here to make a top priority for sustainable aviation fuel. It is a tough project right now. The only facility that produces it is on West Coast so we are and have been promised just as quick as they can get something to us that will be here we're currently in innovation negotiations too and it's a big part of our negotiation is not only sustainable aviation fuel on the jet side but also on the aviation gasoline process so we're very aware of it. We're working very hard to make sure you know we can get that product here up to Vermont and have been given some promises but it's going to be a process. Government has just incentivized the production of SaaS so they might take a year we're on the list with our fuel supplier to be supplied just as soon as they get it here that being said it could be expensive at first but also we have several private aircraft several private aircraft owners that would gladly pay for SaaS fuel so it is out there I just wanted to know we're working hard on it and if anybody would like to come take a tour of our building we're very environmentally sensitive at the company we're switching a lot to electric power tugs and power generation and all the stuff that's needed to move aircraft around so you know we're putting a lot into that and we've also offset all our scope one and two carbon emissions from our imprint and operating our buildings on this past year so we heavily in environment want to work with the airport are demanding our fuel supplier as part of our contract negotiation to be keep us at the forefront on sustainable aviation fuel so I just wanted to give that a try and and these are the relationships and communications that are going to be key to getting this fuel here the commodity like like Tim was saying hard to get here on the east coast super happy to hear that and Matt Collins and I the CEO of Heritage consistently constantly talk about really putting pressure on getting this up here but also looking at what's next is the sustainable fuel you know what else let's start building electric aircraft charging stations from heritage aviation from the maybe the first to do that I'm not sure I think it is so there's all of these initiatives sure that we encourage whether it's air carrier operations or private aircraft owners to use these alternate systems well maybe we can have a website or a page that talks about what we're working on and you know what we've accomplished and what we're working on and you know I think the public just needs to know that so that in answer to Ms. Decker and Mr. Castrano and I can't remember the other gentleman's name you know we were not just sitting there and ignoring them but we also you know can't have a discussion or an argument at every meeting about you know climate change you got to sort of this is what we're working on and let them know and I think that goes a long way to developing some appreciation we're never going to get everyone to agree that we're doing everything we can because you know as Ms. Decker has stated she no longer flies I think that would be a little irresponsible for us to just discourage anyone from flying and I just want to thank Tim for first of all coming to the meeting sitting through the meeting to the very end and then sharing some of the most insightful things that we that are possible if you could hear so I want to thank you then yep agreed environment involvement what are any measures anything else for Nick Okay. Okay. Item 10, which is Mr. So we didn't receive anything. I think that Mr. shares want to discuss at this point. Okay. I'll share one thing as we approach the summer. I'm reading a book on the right brothers by David McCulloch. And if you haven't read that book, I'm not big on biographies, but it's just a great book. And since we're all involved in this industry, if you're looking for a nice summer read, I think it's a lot of fun. It's amazing. It's on my desk. What was the name of it again? The right brothers. The right brother. I thought you said the rough riders and I'm trying to figure out how that connects to an airport. Got it. Let's do that. All right. I think rock riders is what your dog was saying. Right. All right. So we'll move on to item 11, which is followed by 11. Oh, sorry. One of the key permits for taxi drivers. Anything you want to go over on that? Yes. Nothing to. Request yet for an action item. Obviously on this agenda. I've spoken with many taxi drivers, including the vehicle for hire. Member of the taxi community was on the committee. Talked pretty extensively about these cute permits and what's happening. With the cute permits and how folks are purchasing them and not ever using them. How we really need to increase that number. I need to look at this from the city attorney's perspective to what authority the commission has and what authority I have to. To increase these numbers as soon as we can. Long term we're looking at. We're continuing to look at others. Methods for any taxi company. Any driver to come to this airport going through a access control gate and be charged an appropriate fee. For her for that privilege of pick up and drop us at the airport. That's going to be a longer process. The cute permits are going to be more immediate. And the most immediate thing is really working with the taxi companies. And the folks that really work incredibly hard out there. Trying to be here at the times that are most demanding, but also adding additional signage to our terminal building. So folks know exactly where the transportation networks like Uber and Lyft companies go to as well as where our taxi drivers go to and adding additional signage and additional wayfinding to get there. Right now I don't have a request. To increase that number until. City attorneys for their research. Right. How much are permits? How much do permits cost? And are they annual or is it a multi-year permit? They cost $500 annually. And right now we're capped, I believe at 40. Which was approved at some point. Many. Seven eight years. Okay. Thank you. Anything else on 11 one. New permits. And none of them to 11 to North terminal project briefing. So I'm hoping to bring a larger presentation to you in the month of July. I think it's July. For the meeting. To talk to show you the entire project or entire program. We're going to be hopefully out to bid by that or close, closely thereafter. So it's really great timing to show you what the flow is of this entire project, not just the new building, which is the, the essence of this project, the definition of the old, and the renovation of our existing connection from the new tip building that we just opened all the way to this new brand new fourth section renovating this hallway. So hoping to more formalize formally present that in the month of July. Great. Jeff, anything you want to add on that. Okay. No, I appreciate the update. I look forward to hearing more about it in July. Okay. We're at the level to next up is I am 12. German. Do I hear about you? You adjourn. So I move the German. Right. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I didn't have a second. Seconded by Jeff. All those in favor of saying aye. Aye. Thank you. We are adjourned. Okay. Thank you.