 This is the OTP, presented by Farm Bureau Health Plan, celebrating 76 years of providing Tennesseans with high quality health coverage and an affordable rate. Visit FBHP.com to learn about their story and their history in Tennessee. With Amy Wells, I'm Mike Keith, so pleased to be joined by the head coach of your Tennessee Titans, Mike Braybel. Welcome. Welcome. Thanks for having me. All right, so let's set the parameters right away. We're taping the July 4th show, but it's obviously June because our offices are closed on July the 4th. So, Mike, play along with us here. If this really were July 4th, where would you and the Braybel family be right now? What are you doing the week of July 4th? This year? Yes. I think we'll be in Utah. Nice. Yeah, I think we'll be down in Park City, taking the celebration down Main Street. It's a parade. You see the kids and candy. Is that a place you have gone frequently with Jen? Not in the summer. Not in the summer. I like it in the winter, but I'm going to try it out in the summer. I heard it's nice out there. Are you guys ski people? Do you ski? I do. Really? Yeah. Mike Braybel, I never would have pegged you as a skier. Yeah. Well, your wife's an athlete. Well, you put goggles on, a helmet. Sure. Nobody bothers you. You put music in and... Just cruising down the slopes. Nobody bothers you. Nobody knows who you could be next to, not the biggest celebrity, whoever you think the biggest celebrity is, and you would never know, because the goggles, the helmet, the snow. Who's the biggest celebrity you have encountered out there? I was going to think you'd say like Robert Redford, because he's a big Utah guy. No, I mean the Sundance thing, I really don't even know. My buddy Thomas Conner over at the corner pub, over at the corner store, the base of Park City. That is my guy. I want you to explain something, though, because this is the only downtime of the year fully for the NFL. The last week in June and the first really two weeks in July, that's all that's left that's completely carved out to where you're alone. Is it hard for you to shut it down for those three weeks? It's not hard. It's... What's hard is that you have to hope that what you've tried to instill with the players that you've had here for the off-season program that they go and they can continue that. I guess that's my only, the biggest concern that I have as a coach in this league is those are the five most critical weeks of the off-season. It's not the March to April window. It's not the start of OTAs. It's that end of mini-camp to the beginning of training camp, because I feel like we're continuing to work, we're doing good. I think guys are getting in shape and getting stronger and having gains. But what happens after that? And I know that a lot of them will, but how do we maintain that self-motivation throughout that five-week window? Is that something you've had to learn how to do, though, is to let go during that time period? I mean, you're not a first-time head coach anymore. You've learned the cadence of the season. Did you have to learn how to really shut it down and let it be? Probably. We have the rookies for a couple of weeks after, so that'll be good. I think they'll really be able to settle down and try to take a deep breath here and just focus on their conditioning, their strength, and getting them ready for the training camp. We'll get them out of here, and then Chick will finish his program, his rookie development program that he does so well at. Let these guys get away. And, you know, I think I'm back and forth, so it'll be, you know, it'll be good. I'll spend some time with the rookies here for a little bit, and then we'll all get away. People hear you mention Chick. You're talking about Chick Elajase, who runs all of your player programming. And I guess his technical title is he's the player development director? Yep. Player engagement. Player engagement. And why is he so good at what he does? Well, he has a staff. And part of that group is James Mitchell, Mitch, Dr. Sheila Peters. They work extensively with the rookies, not just the rookies, but that's where their main focus is right now. You know, we always try to add points of contact for our players, you know, whether they're comfortable with Chick or Mitch or Stretch or myself, their position coach, Todd or Frank. It doesn't matter. Just somebody that they can come to, if something's going on, hey, I need this, then we go through the channels of trying to get them that. And it could be a number of different things. But Chick understands what it is that we demand of our players, what we ask of them, what they're going to need to survive and excel as a player on this team, on the field, off the field. He has a really good grasp of it. So, you know, we're lucky to have him. Those rookie programs, I guess, it's something that's relatively new to the league in terms of they're getting more extensive every year, the way that you're trying to educate them, not only about football stuff and the business of the NFL, but there's a lot of life components to that too, right? Yeah. And Dr. Schiller reminded the rookies that there used to just be a rookie symposium. You would just show up two days somewhere. They'd hammer out 10 hours a day of information and all the different things. And now they've put it back here with directors and a planned out thing. So we have a schedule when they come in each day, you know, what they're doing with the football, and then what they're doing each day in the rookie development program with Chick. So that could be a former player. That could be a second, a few second year players that could be veteran players, financial, financial advice, NFLPA benefits, all these things that go through, you know, our community relations, making sure that they have an understanding of what's going to be asked of them throughout the season and things that we can help them with. Because they are just like people coming out of college in May. They're just starting their first job. It can be overwhelming. Well, there's a lot of questions. Their families are asking them a lot of questions, and sometimes they don't always, most of the time, don't have the answers to what training camp is going to look like, what tickets are going to look like, when do we stay, the hotel, the driver's license, when we go to London this year. There's passports that some of these guys don't have passports. And so Chick and his staff, you know, with Jeb and John Albertson, they go about finding ways to provide them and get them the stuff that they need, driver's license, apartments, and all those different things. Have you seen the fruits of that labor translate to success on the football field, translate to maybe easier career transitions? Well, I think comfort level. You know, I think we try to provide as much support as we can off the field so that when they get here to work or they get to the practice field or the meetings that they're not thinking about something else that needs to get taken care of, they can focus on football. And those things still exist, Amy, we know that through our coaching staff, our players, everybody in this building, we go through life, you know, we have life experiences and it doesn't stop whether you go on the radio, whether you go on TV, whatever it is. And so we try to help those players get through that and manage that and then, you know, therefore make them better teammates and hopefully more productive. You've put a big emphasis in your support staff and we're going to talk to you about a lot of different components of that because obviously the coaching stuff is what we talk about the most. But there are so many other staff members, whether it's nutrition, whether it's people in the equipment room, whether it's trainers, whether it's just people who are around to help this football team be successful. That's something that we've really seen you kind of put a priority on, especially in the last couple of years, bulking that group up a little bit. Why is that something that's been so important to you? Well, one, the respect is critical that our players have respect for everybody in this building that has a role, that has a job to help them do the best job that they can at playing football. And so I expect that respect to each and every person, whether that's in the cafeteria, which we all know having been here as long as we all have, that didn't used to look like that. At all. Right. And we have a first class facility that feeds our players exactly what their dietary restrictions are, aren't the friendliness, the cleanliness, all these things that allow our players to come in there, hang out outside a locker room, outside of a meeting room, the equipment room. I would just, those are simple things that I asked our players to show those people respect that they're not there just to pick your stuff up there to provide you with the equipment, the laundry service, but they're not sitting there to pick up after you and be your housekeeper. And then the training room and the nutritionist that you mentioned and so many different other pieces to this puzzle because there is a lot. There's a lot going on. Big family, small families, kids travel from all across the country to be here. So the more people that we can have here that help them do their job and help us all come to work focused and ready to go is important. Mike and Jen Vrabel have two sons in their 20s who are athletes. Yep. How much do you think that has helped you in your time developing as the head coach of the Tennessee Titans knowing that you understand not only that generation and not only athletes of that generation, but the different things that they are going through than you went through back in the 1990s? I think it's probably helped. You know, I mean, it's like you live every day with, you know, these guys are same age. I know what, you know, I mean, it's like, Carter's got long hair tattoos and earrings just like a lot of our players. It's like, I get it, you know, and so, but I also probably wasn't as good as I should have been early on with my own kids and trying to be, instead of being coach or instead of being dad, it's like more coach than dad and trying to find that balance. But I do think having, you know, kids in that same age group of the ones that are going to be meeting with us here, you know, when they come back for training camp, I think it helps. I think it helps to understand, you know, there's relationships, there's families, there's disagreements, there's all these different things that go on that you try to work through and talk to them about and continue with the mental performance, the mental recovery that we talk about in this game and the expectations that we all have and the high expectations and, you know, I believe in the mental performance side of things. I think that was a big reason of Carter having to be able to recover from where he was early in the season of, you know, you go with baseball, man, it's up and down, there's slumps and there's a game of failure and I struggle with that just watching as a dad. But he stuck with it, he worked, you know, worked the skills that he had been trained with and worked with and been able to fight through that early season and then finished, you know, really strong. And that's something that, you know, Tennessee Tech and that Coach Braga alluded to. He said, the way that you finished, he's like, we noticed that, we looked at that. So, you know, I try to remind our players, okay, this is the whole package that we're trying to develop. What's Mike Rabel, the dad, like watching his kid play a sport, whether it be football or baseball, cause you've got both, are you a mover? Are you quiet? Are you stationary? You've got all different types. I'm probably best, if you want to know where I'm best at, Amy, I'm best further away. Yeah. The closer I get, the more fidgety and amped up I get. I don't want to be a part of that game. I don't. And I need to unfortunately remove myself behind left field with my little grill. I got my little Blackstone out there. I make hot dogs for a fan. So that removes me from the game and I can watch and I can enjoy it and not get so close to it. She's going to find out it's the most when your girls are playing whatever sport they're playing as a parent, it's awful. It's so much worse than when I played 100 years ago or when Mike played in the NFL. I mean, I think you would agree. Watching your kids, watching my son play piano or watching, I mean, anything like that, you are just tight as a drum. Yeah. Because there's nothing you can do. No, you just have to try to enjoy it, find a space where you can enjoy it. And because they feel that, I think they see that, they feel that. And so the more you can just, any, I'm telling you, it took me a while. I was not very good. I was, I was probably at the bottom of parent coaches. Titans fans, listen up. Open a Titans checking account from Pinnacle with at least $100 and a recurring direct deposit by August the 18th. And you could win two tickets to five Titans home games. Details at titansbanking.com. Titans checking from Pinnacle. Play hard, bank easy, member FDIC. I've just been handed breaking news Titans fans. It's official, Seat Geek is now the official ticketing partner of your Tennessee Titans. That's right, the deal is finalized. Seat Geek is the newest member of your Titans family. If you haven't heard the name yet, Seat Geek, you'll be hearing it a lot more this season and for seasons to come. That's Seat Geek. Whether you're buying or selling tickets to Titans games or any live event in Nashville, Seat Geek is the place to do it. Seat Geek, the new official ticketing partner of your Tennessee Titans. So Titans fans can thank you. All right, so we have to ask you, Mike Grable with us on the OTP, July 4th week. We always wanna know when you come by and see us for this show, what you are streaming on TV, what you are binge watching, what you are into, the OT people wanna know. Yep, so we have made the mistake of getting into shows but realizing it's in the middle of the show and then now we have to wait each and every week. So we press pause and we are, I would say by the time that this airs, we will have finished the session. Okay. Because we got into my man over there across the pond, football coach, soccer coach, Ted Lasso. Yes. So we went back and we ripped through those three seasons, I guess. What'd you think of the third season? Like that. Okay, good. I like it. Is that controversial? Among Ted Lasso fans, it has been. Well, it got a little, I would say, political. It did. You know, but it's Hollywood. Yeah. Storylines. You need something. It has a tendency to do that. The mental health message in the show is so... There was a lot of parallels. I really appreciate watching that show and thinking like, okay, well, you know, everybody's on the right track and just, you know, he doesn't, nothing's ever really that big of a deal. No. Right? And it's a good way to look at it, not to say that you have to do it that way, but it's like, okay, well, we'll be okay. So succession, Ted Lasso. Yeah, and then we just are now are waiting for new suggestions. Okay, Amy, have you got something? Well, we're going through succession at home as well. So I'm on that same track, but we're waiting for season two of Severance. Did you watch Severance? No. Weird show. It's weird, but it's good. If you're gonna start watching Severance, you've gotta make it through the first three. Yeah. And you're gonna think this is really strange, but after you get through the first three, I couldn't make it. My son loves it. Oh, it's, yep. It's bananas. Snowfall? Haven't seen it. Haven't seen it. Worth it. Really? Okay. They get slow in the middle seasons. We kind of brushed, AJ told me this a couple years ago. Check this show out. Third season of Berry was very worth it. Okay. If you, if you like Berry, which I loved, it's a good program. It was on HBO. I don't know Berry. Berry is, the guy from Saturday Night Live. Bill Hader. Bill Hader. He's a contract killer who becomes an actor. Okay. And he finds himself as an actor. After coming out of the military as a sniper, he becomes a contract killer. That he hates the job, but he stumbles into being an actor and he finds what he loves. Did you like Dexter? I did. I couldn't get, there was so much to it. There was a, yeah. And it got a little goofy. Yeah, it got a little strange. Those are hard. I mean, what do you do after six or seven seasons? But I think that's the thing about Berry is, they did three seasons with a wrap up. Ted Lasso, three seasons with a wrap up. I think that's what he did. Here's one for you that my wife found Daisy Jones in the six. With what's her name? Riley Keough. That's it. Elvis Presley's granddaughter. Yep. Fantastic show. Fantastic show. Easy to watch, one to a night. You'll love it. So this is like setback as a Western? No, Daisy Jones, it's based loosely, supposedly on Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham coming into Fleetwood Mac. Fireworks. Yeah, you'll love it. Daisy Jones in the six. Easy watch, drama but not, you know. Okay. Hey Titans fans. Hard to decide what's the best part of a Dunkin' Run. Is it the coffee or the classic $1 donut? The $2 stuffed bagel minis or the $3 sausage, egg and cheese that you can add to that coffee or of course you just get to leave the office. The answer of course is yes. Time for a Dunkin' Run. Great deals on food for one, two or $3 with a medium or larger coffee. America runs on Dunkin'. Can we talk football now? Sure, okay. Thought that's what we're gonna do. Well, but I mean, we don't get to have you on the OTP all the time. I love being here. This is our summer program. This is our, it's light, it's easy, it's fun. You shook up the offensive staff dramatically. I wondered as that was going on, was that something you went into the off season looking to do or did that happen more so because of the people who were available that you were able to fit into the spots? I think a little bit of both. You know, I mean, I think it was probably time, you know, to make some changes and you just get a sense and a feel for, you know, what you're just trying to do, what's best for the team and best for the players and, you know, went through a lot of different interviews. I went through a bunch, you know, I mean, 20, 25 different interviews, offensively at different positions and got a lot of great ideas, met a lot of great people, a lot of great candidates and was able to settle on the staff that we have now, which I think has been, you know, by all accounts working well. Seems like the communication to the players is good. I think the coaching is good. We've got some guys, you know, moved some guys wrong, brought some other guys in from other places and I think it's been really good. In doing all of that shifting and adding and moving and just kind of jostling all those pieces around, do you feel like the chemistry of the group has remained intact or maybe even gotten stronger? The chemistry of the coaching staff? Yes. Yeah, I don't think, I mean, those are things that build, you know, I mean, those are things that develop and build and, you know, whether you're adding, you know, Justin Hamilton and Chris Harris, Loloqist, you know, those are new faces on defense, you know, with some of the coaches that we've had, you know, those take a little bit of time. Anthony Levine, Tom Quinn have been great additions on the special team side and then, you know, I think the biggest, like Mike said, was offensively, but you know, I think I like where it's at right now. What do you hope that the change is in the secondary with the coaching staff and keeping Scott Booker, who I know you're also very impressed with, what do you hope that's going to give the secondary that it didn't have in 2022? Well, I don't think there was something that it didn't have. I just think that it was good time to add, you know, what we felt like was a really good football coach. I had a lot of knowledge. You know, and in the end, there's only two coverages. There's going to be zone or it's going to be man and you're going to have to cover your guy and we're going to have to find ways to affect the quarterback. So, there's been some energy back there and we'll have some bunch of young guys again work in and we'll see where this thing shakes out at training camp, but you know, we have to defend the pass better on first and second down, you know, whether we're rushing better or covering better, but we played well against the run. We played well on third down, but just gave up too many yards on first to second down throwing a football. Some player moves this off season and one of the additions is ardent key. Why is that someone who you felt was a great fit for this program? Well, good energy's got versatility. You know, it can play up and down the front. He rushes inside, he's rushed outside. You know, it can drop once in a while if need be and obviously you can't rush everybody. So, it has the ability to move around. I've always liked him. Love his personality, his passion. It's been a really good addition so far. We had the opportunity to talk with him not too long ago and he seems like a Mike Vrable guy through and through. You guys seem like you have very similar personality styles almost and the same kind of approach to the game of football. Is that something that makes maybe your job a little bit easier having a guy who is established in the league, knows what he's doing on the field and can also kind of... Well, he brings in energy. He brings a passion and he's fun to coach, but he's got a lot to prove. You know, I mean, this is a player that hasn't been a full-time starter in this league and we told him that we could obviously would love for him to earn that role here and we would help him get there. We would do everything that we could and he was excited about it and has come in and has worked and has gotten in condition and we're excited to see where that may go. With Amy, I think Arden Key seems like your kind of guy the first time you meet him. Andre Diller doesn't necessarily seem like that because he's so cerebral and he clearly thinks about things and it takes a little to pull him out. He told us that when free agency started he prayed that the Titans would call because he bonded with you during the pre-draft process back in 2019. He felt like you got him and he looks forward to playing for you in that way. How is it that a guy so different from, say, an Arden Key connects with you in that way and that you connect with him? Because at some point in time you have to realize that everybody's gonna be different and they're gonna have a unique skill set and it's our job to find ways to reach him, to coach him, to get the best out of him and get their best version. But clearly different personalities from Arden and Andre and Taje and Derek. I mean, everybody's different and so we're gonna do our best to make a connection with the players and find out what it is that, how they function and operate best. Jeffrey Simmons is still a Tennessee Titan. We're able to get a contract done with him over the off season. How beneficial was that not only to the defense and what you guys are gonna be doing on the field but to the locker room, to the overall kind of culture of what the Tennessee Titans are? Well, he embodies everything that we wanted and he's starting a family here in Nashville and it's great to see that really become a part of our community and has his family that's moved from Mississippi and just his leadership, his attitude, his professionalism, that branches out much further than just the defensive line and then the defense and then on to their team and guys recognize how he works and his effort in which he plays with and what this team means to him. So I think that he's a great example for all of us. May I ask a Will Leviss question? Sure. All right. It's been a couple months since the draft, obviously. There was a lot of tracking of the Tennessee Titans around Will Leviss because you took so many people to his Kentucky workout. He was here for a pre-draft visit at Ascension St. Thomas Sports Park. It was obvious that you had a connection in terms of his skillset, you got to know him, you understood what he was about and then you went and got him at number 33. What was it, two parts. What was it about Will Leviss that you saw and learned through that process that made you think he's a fit and what have you seen from him just early, I know, that has sort of driven home that point? Well, I mean, I think we all know how valuable the quarterback position is in this league and I think we saw what everybody sees, we saw a pro-style quarterback that has size that can still move, that isn't just a statue. I think the quarterbacks are continuing to get more mobile, whether you're a running quarterback or not, he's got good arm strength to make all the throws. He understands kind of the terminology in which we use and operate. He could be under center, he could operate from the shotgun, he worked in the play-action game, worked in the RPO game. So just because you have experience with all this doesn't make you automatically just gonna be amazing, but I think that that was a great base. And then obviously, since he's been here, I think he's continued to work and learn and develop and it's a lot. I mean, our defense does a lot of different stuff and shows a lot of different looks and there's been some really positive plays and some positive throws and some throws like everybody else that he'd like to have back and decisions and those are things that will continue to coach with him, with Malik and with Ryan. Speaking of a lot, we've heard a lot about Traylin Burke's this off season. Are we hearing too much about Traylin Burke's this off season? Well, I don't know what too much is or I don't know how much enough is. I'm not, you probably listen to it a lot more than I do. I know that he's been focused, he's been driven, he's been motivated to come in and really develop and maintain his conditioning and improve his conditioning and his strength. I mean, this is a big guy and he's running and he's getting in shape and this is a big receiver who continues to work and learn and develop the nuances of playing receiver in this league and so just keep stacking days together and on top of each other and continue to improve and we'll start to add some red zone here. I know we're looking back into things so hopefully the red zone installation went well when this airs and I'm hoping that the red zone went well and that he'll maintain all that hard work that he put in the off season that he'll maintain that through those five weeks we talked about. Mike Vrabel, congratulations on being put into the Patriots Hall of Fame. You know what Carter said? What? Seven times a charm, dad. Oh, you were a finalist multiple times, but seven. I know, but you think about this, I mean, let's talk honestly for just a second. If you're talking about those Patriots with, let's say the Celtics of the 80s. Okay, maybe Mike Vrabel's not Larry Bird. Maybe you're Robert Parrish. Maybe you're Kevin McKell. I don't know, but at the very least you're DJ and to Celtic fans, Dennis Johnson was a big deal. It has to be something that when you just take a set. Not Danny Ainge. You didn't bite anybody, did you? No. He can't talk like that. I like Danny Ainge too, but DJ was the glue. I mean, you know, go ahead, I would get it where you're sitting. But the point is you think about those teams what you accomplished, the history of this league, which I know you value. And to have that franchise now say, you're one of the greatest to ever play for them. Like the Euler slash Titans, an AFL original who did something very special. I mean, for your understanding of the game, it's gotta mean a lot. It does. And I think the one thing where I recognized, man, this is pretty cool. Ernie Adams must have told somebody along the way that one year I played a thousand defensive snaps and 200 special team snaps. And I was like, well, I didn't realize that at the time, but I think that that just, you know, when you look back at being in this thing, this is an honor. We're all going on to do some really great things because of the time that we spent in New England. And I'm thankful for the Kraft family. I'm thankful for Bill looking forward to getting up there and being a part of that ceremony. You're kind of an NFL celebrity and it has nothing to do with being the head coach of an NFL team. It's really true. I mean, people talk about Mike Vrable as one of the faces of an era of football that we may never see again in our lifetime. I mean, the Patriots were so dominant and you are one of the names that's associated with that. And yet you never talk about it. Ever. You never acknowledge it. I find that remarkable because if that was me, I'd talk about it all the time. I'd have t-shirts printed out. She would. But I really would. But that is just not something that ever, if you didn't know, you wouldn't know, you know? What I did for New England or what I did as a player is not going to help our players coming in that's not gonna help me coach them. You know, I may be able to explain, hey, so-and-so or this technique or we did that, but I mean, half these guys, they don't even, half of them not only think, realize I played, you know? How many of them do you think really don't know that you played? I just said half of them. I mean, you mean that literally. I mean that literally. You should go around the locker room. I would love to. Nothing would bring me more joy, actually. I guarantee you half of them didn't know I ever caught a touchdown pass. Or that you have more career touchdown catches than a lot of guys out here put together right now. That'll change. That'll change fast. I just played long. Let's, not a tight end you did. No, couple years. Could you have played in the NFL as a tight end regularly? Truth? Truth. Yeah, I think special teams would have kept me around. Yeah? You'd been a three tight end who played Red Zone and blocked a lot? Oh, I wasn't blocking. No. No. I wasn't blocking. All right, let's wrap up with this. Will we be able, you like to change things up as we know, will we be able to notice much difference in the upcoming training camp, which is now just three weeks away? I mean, I don't know. Maybe, you know what I mean? I think that what we're trying to do, you know, is provide a couple of days of work, you know, with a day of walkthrough, a couple of days of work with a day of walkthrough. But, you know, I think that the way that we're gonna practice is still gonna be upbeat. I think it's still gonna, you know, we're gonna be moving around. We're gonna, you know, do one-on-ones when we can. We're gonna spend time in a Red Zone. We're gonna spend time on the fundamentals, you know, open field tackling and all those things that I believe are critical to playing good football. It's playing with fundamentals and, you know, building the culture of how we wanna finish and be able to practice. I mean, great teams practice very, very fast, but they also know how to take care of each other. They keep people off the ground and not taking shots at each other. I mean, you've seen good football teams and they practice and there's a speed to it, but they also aren't taking shots at guys from the side and then going into somebody. That's what dog-s*** teams do, right? They don't know how to practice and guys are on the ground and they can't get anything done because you're afraid that somebody's gonna get hurt. So, part of this offseason has been learning how to practice and reminding the guys that we have had but then also the new ones of, practice is important, the timing, the speed, everything that we do at a professional level is critical, but with that being said, we have to do it in a way that takes care of each other and, you know, we wanna compete, but we don't wanna sit there and try to take advantage of somebody that's in a compromising position. Tennessee Titans practices, whether it be in training camp, the offseason, during the regular season, they have a specific cadence. They have a momentum. They have a speed that you don't always see with other teams or with other head coaches. Is that something you've- They don't let me watch the other teams practice so I couldn't tell you. Well, for some of us who have seen other teams practice, I'll let you know. You don't see practices like the Titans very often. Is that something you had to work to build here though? No, no. I mean, again, we can go back and we can talk about Jarrell Casey, Wesley Woodjard, Delaney Walker. I know that there's many more, you know, Ben and Taylor, those guys that were here. But I am thankful that those guys were here and then they bought in and I've thanked them. I thanked them while they were here. I've thanked them since then and just, you know, they were pros, they wanted to win, they competed, so that, you know, they made things, you know, pretty easy. You make things easy for us. Thank you so much for the time. We appreciate it. I want to shake that hand. We have. We have. Right flipper. I'm getting ready for training camp too. We'll just do both of them. She gets the double-hedge. I got two arms, Mike. Graby Wells and head coach Mike Grable. I'm Mike Keith. Thank you for joining us for the OTP.