 Thank you. Thank you, yeah. Actually, let's just deal with that. OK. Thanks for your patience, everybody. It was at CCTV wrapping up the show there. So being after 6 o'clock on Tuesday, January 22nd, we'll call it order the regular Lewinsky City Council meeting and ask that everyone please stand and join us for the Puzzle Legion. It's led by the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Up first tonight is January 2nd. This is an opportunity for Council making adjustments to tonight's agenda. I think it's pretty straightforward given the number of items. OK. We will move forward with public comment. This is an opportunity for members of the public to address the Council on any items that are not on tonight's agenda. Again, the agenda's in the back. Please make sure to sign in. Members of the public. OK. So seeing and hearing none, we'll move on to the consent agenda. We have two items on tonight's consent agenda. We have the City Council minutes from January 14, 2019 and approval of payroll from 1230 and 11219 ending in 11819. Any questions or concerns from Council in regards to the consent agenda? Any questions or concerns from the public? Seeing and hearing none, I retain a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. Motion by Nicole, second by Eric. Any further discussion? Seeing and hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. And those opposed? Motion carries. Let's stop this city update. Thank you. So we've been through quite a storm in the city. So at first I wanted to thank the community for their patience with us as we dug out of the last three days. But also a huge thanks to our public works crew who were able to maintain our roads and sidewalks fairly effectively. Just so people kind of put this in context. We have six professionals who can drive plows, trucks with plows on them, and two additional who are deployed to deploy to plow sidewalks. So those eight people put in over 300 about 300 hours in the last three days, maintaining our city. So that's about 12 hours a day each for the over the holiday weekend. So they put in a huge amount of work and I think it really shows. I think they did a fairly good job and thank you for your residents to be patient as we dealt with 36 hours of accumulation, but kudos to the public works crew for all of their work. Similarly, the fire department was here staffed through the weekend as well as obviously the police department is always here. The fire department per diem guys will and women will be out clearing hydrants over the next couple of days. So if residents would like to do some extra shoveling, I'm sure they would appreciate that help as well. Also want to thank the 30 residents who brave the cold yesterday to come out to the Martin Luther King Day of Service at the OCC in the library. Put in a huge amount of effort and really work to beautify the building work. Very appreciative on some project updates. You for me talk about regional dispatch couple of times in the last couple of months. We had our regular monthly board meeting this morning with IXP the consultant who's been hired to launch the authority. He then this afternoon presented to public safety personnel police firing dispatchers from across our shared communities. On the work before us in the next couple of months. So hopefully it was a good opportunity for our public safety professionals to learn more about that process and provide a little bit of feedback. Angela issued last week an RFP request for proposals for a vendor to provide credit card and debit services for the city. So an opportunity for residents to we frequently get asked if people can use credit cards and debit cards to make payments. So with this new vendor we will be able to do that. We're hoping to announce that with the launch of our new website this month. And good job to Angela for drafting that RFP and getting it out the door quickly. Angela and John Rauscher and the chief also had a grant monitoring visit a regular grant monitoring visit with VTrans or AOT. Last week specifically they were looking at the grant we were awarded for the Winooski Bridge Rail work. The crosswalk enhancement grants the Riverwalk East Grant and the 2016 Police Equipment Grant. It was the grant monitoring because it was very good. No findings generally positive outlook outcome altogether. So good job to the crew for monitoring our grant dollars effectively. And then lastly we have our first Ask Me negotiation session this week that will just be to set ground rules and put a plan into place. So on your February 4th agenda you will see an executive session for us to talk about our shared goals for that negotiation process. Things not on the agenda. Thank you. Now we'll move on to council updates. We've got a few meetings lined up. I haven't met since last Monday just a reminder to folks that complete the city manager evaluation form that Julie sent out. The deadline is tomorrow. Yeah, we've got going to be meeting with Alex to just go over how his presentation went last week. We call it Star Treasurer on Thursday in addition. And that'll be right before the planning commission meeting. And then just to tag on the justice comments. I it's always really cool to hear neighbors telling stories about neighbors helping neighbors turn storms and saw I know in my neighborhood at just a time of that which was really, really cool to see. Great. And there's in a similar fashion to me and I have zero complaints in my email inbox today and zero voicemails about how the city handled the storm. So big kudos to everybody. No, it's a ton of work and the reality is you cannot make everybody happy in those situations. It's just not going to happen, but great communication and everything too. So that worked really well. I just want to add that I have three outstanding parking tickets and three municipalities that don't accept debit cards or credit cards online for payment of parking tickets. So way to go on that. It's an awesome initiative. It's been tremendous that we had that opportunity to pay ours online here already. So I think that's awesome. Would you freely admitted that? So the downtown one is keyboard has posted their job description application link for hiring a director position. So if you know anybody who might be interested in applying for that position or have networks that you can put it out to I know that they're on the recruitment process. They're pulling together a hiring team, which will include a number of different individuals. They're hoping to recruit business owners in the area as well as hopefully participation from a member of the city staff and other people within their network to participate a robust hiring process directed by that hiring committee. So I got a call from Governor Phil Scott yesterday and wanted to confirm with me if I wanted to be appointed to be the state representative for Winooski and the General Assembly. I said yes. So tomorrow morning at 830 I get sworn in and I will be the voice for city. Congratulations. It's tremendous. Thank you. It's been awesome journey. You're going to do an awesome job with the community. Thanks for your service. Appreciate it. Thank you. And I will continue my role here. Yes. Don't ever leave. Hey, and on that note, somebody very quietly drifted off last week without saying anything. It's the time of year where people are signing up for office and we would certainly be remiss if we didn't recognize your service from a lot to thank you so much for serving on City Council over the last year. Thank you for your time here. Put a lot of energy and effort into it and know that you're trying to continue to serve the residents of community in a different capacity but for your time on City Council, we're really grateful. Know what investment it takes from everybody up here at this table in terms of time and sacrifice. And it was a pleasure serving with you. So thanks for all of your time and effort and work over the last few years as a City Councilor. Thank you. And I can't believe you let us just go to a whole meeting without anything. You know, we like to give speeches. And with that, you know, just in case there are people watching at home too, we as a reminder, we do have those open seats for Mayor and City Council and the submission for signatures are due. That 5, 5 p.m. 430 p.m. 430 p.m. on February 1st because there will be people on February 1st running around. So 430 p.m. on February 1st and encourage folks to engage anybody at City Hall if you've got questions about that process too. So thanks for everybody who has already stepped up to try to serve. Okay. So next up we'll move into regular items. So first up is discussion of the budget. So we put this meeting on your budget calendar as an opportunity for you all. You've heard from all from my from me and from all the department heads about our FY 20 budget proposals. But we want to reserve some time for you all to have discussion, debate amongst yourselves and give us any feedback that you would like to see reflected in the final budget number that's brought to you next Monday night for your consideration and placement on the community day morning. So what I've included in your packet is the summary roll up budgets from across all the funds. I've also included just a draft ballot that we've started to put together so you can see how on the municipal side the five different votes that are linked are interwoven will be laid out. And then I've also provided a summary of the votes you'll actually need to take next week assuming you want to move forward all or a few of these items. And there are quite a number of them because you'll need to approve the budgets, approve the amount to be raised by property taxes, approve the bond resolution for the two capital projects and approve the placement of the local options tax on the ballot as well. So that's the overview. We're happy to answer any questions you have and really just want to provide an opportunity for you all to have a discussion or give us further direction if you would like. Great. So I think we'll open up to comments, thoughts, specific concerns because I've started narrating this out in the public sum and have gotten at least a little bit of a rhythm to some of it. I'll maybe just high point my own thoughts to kick things off sometimes that helps other people, but it's, you know, I'm extremely proud of the budget that you guys worked really hard to come up with. And, you know, from a general fund perspective, the idea that people can vote for the general fund at a 6% increase and move forward incredible investments in both the, you know, community vibrancy and our economic vibrancy is mainly the pool and the Main Street Revitalization Project I think is just a huge testament to the really, really great work that went together to put together, you know, a plan that is fiscally, as fiscally responsible as we could be with executing huge parts of the community's vision. So I'm obviously hugely proud of that and appreciate the work that was done to keep things, the level services on, I don't want to say the soft cost side, but, you know, on the operations piece. And, you know, we know that that continues to always be, you know, a challenge of, you know, the level of staffing here and some of the resources we put into some of the department areas and appreciate the hard work that goes into making that work and still providing great services to the community. So thank you. And then, you know, I think the thing that I haven't talked a lot about publicly yet is getting, you know, the steps that we're taking to get salary alignment and ensuring that we are building a sustainable workplace here too is something that we need to probably talk about more. I think people recognize that taking care of all the humans that are sitting here that do all the great work is, you know, that's the best thing that we can do from an investment standpoint. So really proud of the work that went into that. You know, 6% is the highest I've ever had to talk to people about, but I've never had to talk to people about us getting this much done. And that's, you know, that's part of the deal, right? Stuff's not free. And, you know, something I said to the community tonight on the sign off show for CCTV was, you know, don't be afraid to be bold and take some chances as a community when they're calculated and put together wisely. And I feel like we've tried to do both here. So, you know, in just the other items, I mean, I think we've talked a lot about the garage and Hickok Street, both being tax neutral and great investments in downtown vibrancy and in our neighborhoods, infrastructure in our neighborhoods. And then just on the 1% piece have really had incredibly positive conversations with business owners about this, where there's just kind of been a collective shoulder shrug with the exception of one business owner. There's been a collective shoulder shrug. Yeah, this makes sense. And especially when you can tell us what you're putting it towards and it's going towards that kind of infrastructure investment, they get that. And there's no complication on the collection side of things. You know, the whole dollar businesses have a little pricing thing to figure out. But, you know, we've talked to our highest volume retailers and they've been on board too after asking a couple questions. So, you know, I feel like that's the right thing too. So I'm very supportive of the things as they've been put forward. So thanks. Thanks for all the work that went into that and for the thoughtful conversation over the last few months. I'm not sure about the public hearing for 6.30, so that'd be good. I think that this budget represents the culmination of a tremendous amount of, you know, starting with visioning work and outreach to the community, culminating with staff working incredibly hard to put the pieces together to ensure we can move forward with the community's vision for a pool and Main Street revitalization while still maintaining an affordable community. When we presented those projects to the community, the estimate was collectively we would be looking at more than a 12% increase. And this budget here reflects a 6% increase and that includes an increase in our operations budget. So I think we've more than delivered in terms of and you really have more than delivered in terms of the commitment that we all made to make sure that the projects proceed on the timeline that the community expects, but in a way that mitigates the property tax. So I see it as a puzzle that has a lot of different pieces that connect, much like that. And if one of the, you know, I think it's a high stakes budget because while it is coming in, I think a lot lower than we predicted when the individual capital projects were presented. It's still more than we've asked for before. And there's a lot of, you know, I'm viewing it as a communications opportunity for the month of February to really help tell the story to our community about, you know, where we've been and why all these pieces are critical to ensuring that we have the picture that we want to have for this community. So anyway, I have a question about the information we have about Green Mountain Transit rates potentially going up and whether we can absorb that within sort of what's been presented or if that's a game changer. I'm not clear about the magnitude of that. But other than that, I'm appreciative of the work that went into this budget and I'm proud to support it. I think, I mean, you could have said it better. I think one of the things that I'm also really thankful to for in regards to all the hard work you and your staff have put into this budget. Is I remember a conversation we had in considering the Main Street Project very early on in conception. And one of the things that I had said, and I think was pretty universal in how a lot of us felt was that this is a really important project, a long time in the making in our community. But we don't want to, we don't want staff to feel the pressure of us moving forward in this project. It means we need to scale back services for our community that I hope you all are really proud of providing because I know I hear from a lot of community members how fantastic of a job you all do. And to be able to have a budget that comes in with these two important projects as well as maintaining level services at 6% is absolutely amazing. I do think, like you mentioned, Seth, this is the biggest number that's been put in front of the community in a while. But we've also had conversations for a few years that this is something we're going to have to anticipate. And why I think we've worked hard in the past to keep it, keep prior budget increases under or around 2%. So for us to be able to move these really important projects forward for our community while still ensuring that we're going to be plowing the streets at the same level that we have been, that there will still be programs and opportunities available for Winooski youth and our community members, is really a testament to a lot of hard work and a lot of ingenuity that it seems like from my perspective you've put into planning this budget. So thank you very much. This is my first budget process and what I really appreciate it was the very thorough, well thought out presentation from all the departments. It made it very clear to me that what was proposed really ties into our strategic vision. Ultimately, I believe a budget is a moral document and I think it really speaks to the values and wishes of our community. So I think this budget was done with a lot of careful thought and a lot of hard work and I definitely support it. That's what we're really putting in. It's hard to tell people when they vote, yes or no, on a budget, they're really voting on a whole set of principles of how we invest and try to achieve the vision that they've set forward because that's what it is. So I'm not hearing a lot of concerns from the proposal. Can you speak to the agreement? Yeah, so as Ray shared with you earlier today, CCTA is facing some pretty significant financial hardships and they're looking at a variety of ways to mitigate that difficulty. So what we had, and we got notice of that in mid to late December, when we built this budget, I presented this budget to you on December 3rd. We thought conservatively estimated a 3% increase in our 185,000 we send to them every year and that was based on what we'd seen through the previous years. So an additional 1%, it's 185,000 we send to them, additional 1% we can absorb within the current budget. You could add in a couple of thousand dollars, ask us to do that for the final draft next time, but I'm pretty confident we can absorb that within the 6% we've talked about. I think quite frankly, just to editorialize for a minute, Ray and I met with the executive director, general manager from CCTA last week and I think quite frankly our bigger concern is the potential rate increase for our residents. Not that I want to balance that budget on the back of the taxpayers, but I would rather pay a couple of thousand dollars more through our municipal budget than have them see 50 or 75% increases for each ride, which would have a very bilaterious effect I think for our residents. We've also, and Ray jumped in here if I mis-speak, we also recommended one of the things they're considering is a raise in the kind of what the trip rates, but a decrease in the monthly passes, thinking about those who regularly use the bus their value would go down or stay the same. And our concern about that is a lot of our residents may not have the monthly investment to make at one time. They may not be able to come up with 50 dollars at the beginning of the month and therefore pay as they go. So we've asked Mark to look at options that may support our, if they have to go with some kind of rate increase options to support our residents to realize that savings initially. I can also tell you that they will be coming to the state house to look for funds. Let's put in that out there. Well, it's trickle down the individuals, but the number of bus passes that are issued by service organizations that have prescribed budgets and only so much bandwidth to get those out the door would go down. Which is really important to think about, but also I think challenges us to think more and more about how services can be provided in the community on a different basis with less reliance on the public transportation system potentially. But just for context too, sorry, but four years ago they came to us with an increase in expense and a reduction in coverage for the city. And changed the bus pass here and quite frankly, locked off about 25% of the coverage that the system covered while also increasing our fees. Which we said, okay, we're going to let that go, but we want to hear real assurances that this is a, you're making a financially sustainable model here that's going to continue to provide the service at the cost that you did with nominal increases going forward. And there is assurance that, of course, doesn't appear to be the case right now. So that's unfortunate. We are not projected to see any service reductions. They are looking at some roots farther out in Chinden County and we did talk with them about our concern about that as some of our residents are actually commuting out. So commuting to jobs in Essex or Williston and our fear that those reductions could negatively impact our residents. But for the Winooski roots, those have no plans to change. Is Colchester making any contributions at this juncture? So I would also just very bluntly call for some political pressure on that because that's totally unacceptable and I hate to throw a neighbor under the bus like that so to speak. But the idea that so many of their residents can benefit from that service and the region can benefit from the service and not have a contribution from the municipality in my mind has been totally unacceptable for over a decade and continues to be unacceptable. So I'll just throw that out there so we can open the door. So I'm assuming that the combined speeches mean that we're cornered towards the level services plus the three additions that are being so I just wanted to talk about. So that's why I was just going to talk about the lowering barriers funds and what plan is there identifying how those funds can be used and what would be. I don't want to come back here but maybe me in those seats a year from now and that money hasn't been used or it was used in a sort of ad hoc way. So I'm interested in both for my own understanding but also if questions come up how those funds might be what you're thinking about in terms of the process for identifying ways to lower barriers using those funds. Sure. So I think how staff has thought about this after our strategy session last June is that between that we heard this is a priority to hopefully get more voices to the table. So our plan would be if this is budgets approved to come back you know those funds would be available as of July 1st. So to come back to the council between March and July and put together with a recommended plan and have the council approve that plan to use those funds. You know I think the things that we've heard interest in are depending on who's elected and what they prefer buying technology for them. So all can feel like they can participate. We've talked about providing childcare services. So for example if we were to align our commission commissions to meet on the same night do we provide childcare or meal support on that night. We could also look at options to do that several you know if the commission structure stays the same you know quarterly provide that support or something like that. So really the three areas we've identified are childcare support technology support and for kind of supplementing the resources that people spend when they give of their time and therefore aren't at home having dinner with their families or participating in their lives otherwise. Obviously we'll be I mean it will be up to the council to specifically approve that plan but that's what we've talked about thus far. So if I may be so bold as to recommend this could be a topic to explore or at least identify some folks who could inform the plan through the equity work that's happening. When you talk about eliminating barriers for people to access the corridors of power so to speak going to them asking what you know what's stopping and what would be actually useful because the last thing we want to do is you know perpetuate a myth in our own minds about what the problem is when in fact it's actually something else entirely. Right so it just reinforces the practice of we've all decided that this is the problem when in fact we're creating some opportunities for people to have good dialogue and this can be an exercise of if there's money to support you know participation how would you think it could be used so just food for thought for those who will be here and I think I think it's a great commitment it's a you know it's a large amount of money but it's definitely an important reflection I think of this body's commitment to including as many voices as possible on the Liberations City Government. Just one more public access pitch is I hope that the next council will consider using fund balance contribution for next year to offset the increase in or the decrease in funding that CCTV is receiving and consider I don't this year I think we've got enough on the table and we're trying to rebalance another community partner with Muskie Valley Parks District and I hate to recommend the use of one time fund to correct this systemic issue but in this case I would I would strongly recommend the next council take that issue up although I'm not going to push it on this year's budget because I think it's harder to start because you start those couple of thousands here and there and suddenly you've got another penny on the rate but I'm just a flag for future future folks. I similarly I do think the conversation is a little bit premature because we're having the discussion actively as a community in regards to affordable housing policy and how we can find ways to interject resources and the affordable housing trust fund but I would urge anybody who's in this room that remains at this table after March to strongly consider depending on what the need may be how as a city we can dedicate some level of resources we're funding to support that affordable housing trust fund because if we say this is a value that we strongly hold and we're creating this vessel by which we will be able to support the development of affordable housing let's find a way to put some resources towards being able to do that. Gully noted. Great. But by and large with those kind of forward looking things or remisses about what you know what would have been great to throw in but understood why we can't it's just reflected the great work that's being done here that some of those things weren't all there and we understand the prioritization has to take place. Any other comments questions concerns from council. Any other comments questions concerns from the public. So seeing and hearing none. This is on as a discussion item. So thanks for bringing this back. Thanks for all the great work on the budget. We'll talk more about it next week. Can I just ask a question. I'm not sure we'll get back to it on the morning. Now I've lost it. The language. The morning of the ballot. So the. Sorry. Okay. So for the garage six and article six and article seven. So article six the Hickok Street Convo. We talked about this a little bit last meeting. So it says a portion of the repayment is intended to come from water fees subject to any reduction for applicable. And then for the garage it says repayment is intended to come from parking fees. So I'm wondering why there's a difference between the language of the Hickok Street versus the garage. And in fact. Hickok Street includes a portion of street reconstruction in the total bond amount. So part of it would be general fund. Okay. So are you what your I guess it's a fact that the that the two projects were similar in that they would have no impact on the property. Tax rate. Or on the general fund. Maybe I don't have that right. So. So Angela's right. Hickok when we pave a street those dollars come from the general fund. Streets are owned by the general fund. We have built that into the existing capital budget within our existing capital funds. So the right increase to the property tax rate as a result of the capital part of the existing capital. So it was in the CIP that you were presented. You don't see an increase to anything in the CIP related to debt service for FY 20 because the debt service for the street reconstruction portion will be taken out until FY 21. But that was included in the five year CIP. With the bond with the bonded amount does not include the street. It does the total project cost. Just different sources of repayment contributing towards the debt service. So it's the overall project cost is the full dollar amount. But we didn't want to go for two separate bond votes because you don't want to replace all the water lines and then have no funds to be able to repay the street afterwards. Right. And the bond authorization get the public gives us authority to bond for the full amount and then how we we can almost take out less debt or we can repay it across funds. I do think it is important to know that because we are because of our size and because we get bonded service through the Vermont Municipal Bond Bank. While it is our intention and it's very appropriate to indicate that in this language. All our bonds are general obligation bonds. Right. So if there is a default it does go back to the taxpayers. Right. But the plan the intent is to pay from these other revenue streams. And I will tell you that John is sick tonight so I allowed him to go home. The paving cost on Hickox Street is the smallest amount of that project. The big dollars there in the water lines. And we did ask specifically if we should list how much money was to be coming from water funds. But it was advised against by legal counsel since we are certain the amount of debt will be taken out. Yeah, it makes sense. For each piece. Over. Yeah. Over. Yeah, it could change over time. That's the whole concept of a general obligation bond. It's a general obligation on a specific stream of revenue obligation. Thank you. Any other questions, concerns, comments? Return to the public. Is that inspiring any new questions or concerns from the public? Did we ever get the number of like the water rate impact from this budget for the average homeowner? No, I don't. I'm off the top of my head. We can get it for next week. Any other questions, comments, concerns? From the room. All right, so seeing and hearing none. All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate all your work, help and support. Thanks, Angela, too, for coming up. And we have a 630 public carry-on ordinance updates for Chapter 28, the fees. So we will now open that public carrying officially. And it is 655. So we have managed to share a requirement not to start it early. So this is discussed at our last meeting is the fee ordinance changes as reflected in the budget and some administrative changes that we have been tracking to change once the ordinance was reopened. So you have before you both a track changes version and a clean version. We actually do have one administrative change we would like to make in the version as presented to you. It doesn't change the intent or the value, but I think simplifies the language. So I'm going to have Eric come up and describe that. But otherwise the changes you see the significant changes you see here. One are moving the water and wastewater rate setting process and the thrive rate setting process to a council resolution process annually with a budget as opposed to having them prescribed in ordinance. And then those are the kind of most substantive changes. You want to just point out where you're proposing an additional change? Yes. So on page eight of the track changes version, there are the zoning and land development fees. The last item there is a new permit fee that I had proposed for change of use in existing structures from one permitted use to another permitted use where no other modifications including demolition conversion or additions to the property which would require a building permit are proposed. The intent of having this included was to really recognize primarily our non residential construction that already exists. Like for example the Winnowski block where there's individual suites where use might come and go so that we're not charging them the full new construction rate of a commercial building. After rereading this I felt like it was a bit confusing and with all the additional language to try to clarify it. So what I'm proposing is that we shorten that option to just a change of use and an existing structure for one permitted use to another permitted use period and end it there to remove that last part of language. Because I think the way it's written nobody would ever really be able to qualify for it because typically there's going to be some state permit that's needed because they're all public buildings. So if there were any alterations to the building that would become new construction so we would catch it under the other permits that we already have in place. So I would recommend that we shorten that language to end after use. So what you're saying is the other processes or criteria would catch circumstances where there would be demolition conversion. Correct. Yeah so if an existing building were to have an addition put onto it for example that would become new construction then and we would look at it under the other zoning permits that we already have on the books. And is there any so this is the fee section is there anything in the zoning ordinance. So you know that would provide greater clarity and definition so you don't have to define it in the fee ordinance. I would I would say generally yes I mean in our use table we identify specifically what are permitted uses and what are not so that would provide some level of clarity to to the to the community. Seems ineffectively duplicative. I mean it's what he basically just said right it's saying something that's covered in other places and doing so in a way that's not effective. Correct. So it seems like seems like to clean it up. Any questions and returns on this one or any of the other items thrive with the bigger question last time. Any other questions and follow up on that for anybody. I do think I mean a big part of the question was the amount I I believe that the process here makes sense. Yeah lots of we at one point have tried to like take all these numbers out and put them as done by resolution at one point. And there were some problems with doing it that way it turns out that's not legal but. I mean I do see value of their being as singular of a document for transparency that individuals in the community can go to. Yeah. But there are points where it does make sense from a point of process to not have to reopen up this document every single time with things that will change more frequently. I think too you know as I look through a lot of these fees for general things we're still really low in comparison to other places for things like restaurant licensing fees and things like that. So even marriage licenses and by record stuff. So thanks for the work to try to balance the need to ensure revenue wise with being appropriate but also doing do as much as we can. Yeah. Sorry there were two other significant changes that I should have mentioned in the beginning I just want to go on record as mentioning which are the addition of the fingerprint service which we have not previously offered in the associated fee. And we've taken every place where there is a fee set by state statute we have just referenced state statute as opposed to listing it in our own ordinance and then updating it every time there's a state statute change. So. We covered this last time. I thought they were like brand new things. Well the new things are the thrive pieces. And so moving from setting the rates in this ordinance to saying the council will establish by resolution during the budget process. So this and I need to go back and look are we going to be approving a resolution next week related to thrive. And water and wastewater rates. Great. Other questions comments concerns from council covered most of these items in depth last week to any questions concerns comments from the public. Okay. So seeing and hearing none. In the course of our public hearing chapter 28 fees are being proposed tonight and there's an option for council accept the changes as presented. I entertain a motion. Second. Motion by Nicole second by how any further discussion. Seeing hearing all those in favor please say aye. Aye. And those opposed motion carries. Thank you for all your work on that. And with and I'm sorry I should have mentioned this to you but with that. There's an executive session next on the council agenda. It's on a matter of that as a course of the duties at my in my professional life that I'm recused on because I'm an employee of my house and finance agencies. So David the bonds associated with the transaction referenced in the lawsuit in the executive session warning. So I will take this opportunity to excuse myself and also consider well not to move into the session. And I try to get over. So we have before us an item on the agenda to enter into executive session to discuss pending litigation to which the city is a party. Referring to U.M.B. bank city of Winooski. And also the negotiation of real estate purchase release options. So I would entertain a motion to enter into executive session pursuant to the statutory references on the agenda. Second. Sorry. And we'd like to bring attorney Bob the Paula and Angela Angela and Jesse with us. Second. My second my favor. Hi. Motion approved. We're in the executive session. We will come back only to adjourn.